Also the CBO has said no such thing. The law is projected to save us money over time.
Former_Slacker
What didn't the CBO say? Gabu is correct. The CBO did say that repeal would increase the deficit. I was saying that the CBO may very well be wrong, and that other experts say differently.
[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="Trooperdx3117"] Yeah running the country into the ground, how dare he try to give America a fairer healthcare system for everyone, what is this Canada or something!DarkGamer007
You think Canada's healthcare system is better than the United States'? lmao. How is forcing people to buy healthcare "fair"? How is making the government exempt from this new healthcare bill "fair"? If the new system is so great, why are all of the politicians exempt from it? Now I do not side with any political parties since they are both dumb as hell, but personally, I would love to the the healthcare bill get repealed, although it won't happen in a vote, but rather in the Supreme Court.
If our current/previous (depending on how you look at it) Health Care System is so great why do those working in Congress have their own specialized health care?
Because new healthcare reform or not, they get the top of the top. Nothing changes for them. they still get the best of the best on the taxpayer dollar. My point is that they don't care what the average American's healthcare is because they automatically get the best of the best. Why not put them on the same healthcare we have? If this new bill is so great it should be great for them too, right?
It looks like our country is headed back the way it should be, rather than into the ground like it has been for the last 2 years.
metroidfood
Because the 8 years before that were just so dandy.
I don't see why everyone assumes Obama criticizers supported or even voted for Bush. On a scale from 1-10 I'd give Obama about a 2, but Bush no higher than 3. Just because there are 2 parties doesn't mean there are only 2 worldviews.
Yay! I just love watching the Repubs waste time and money on something that not only has no chance of happening, but would also accomplish nothing but **** people over even more if they did do it!
To be quite honest I do understand that the deficit is a vastly rising concern but under any current politics we cannot fix it. Basically in order to fix it we would have to raise taxes, cut spending on Medicare, Medicaid, Defense, and Social Security. Few politicians would run on that platform as it would be political suicide as many people like those programs and even more don't like tax increases.
GabuEx
Pretty much; the whole reason why Republicans promote voodoo economics where you can cut taxes, not decrease spending, and still balance the budget, is because that's exactly what people want to hear.
All politicians do that....that's why it's best not to trust them.
Good to see the Republicans are spending their time wisely. Even more comforting is the fact that millions of Americans voted to increase their numbers in Congress. My faith in the public only grows stronger. :roll:
Yeah, poor people aren't entitled to good health. Insuring them costs us money, whereas keeping them uninsured makes their inevitable expenses magically disappear. Mandating health care would be as crazy as mandating liability insurance for automobiles; thank God this glorious nation will never tread down that path.
Yeah, poor people aren't entitled to good health. Insuring them costs us money, whereas keeping them ininsured makes their inevitable expenses magically disappear. Mandating health care would be as crazy as mandating liability insurance for automobiles; thank God this glorious nation will never tread down that path.
Yeah, poor people aren't entitled to good health. Insuring them costs us money, whereas keeping them ininsured makes their inevitable expenses magically disappear. Mandating health care would be as crazy as mandating liability insurance for automobiles; thank God this glorious nation will never tread down that path.
Socialists, the lot of them!
You dont have to drive. Right, you can take (insured) public transport!
Yeah, poor people aren't entitled to good health. Insuring them costs us money, whereas keeping them ininsured makes their inevitable expenses magically disappear. Mandating health care would be as crazy as mandating liability insurance for automobiles; thank God this glorious nation will never tread down that path.
Socialists, the lot of them!
AutoPilotOn
You dont have to drive. Well, you don't HAVE to live either. I can do that too.
Republicans complain when democrats try and pass a bill expanding social liberties and giving rights to a minority group while temporarily ignoring the economy. Republicans celebrate when republicans try and pass a bill to take away health care from the poor while temporarily ignoring the economy. QED: Taking away Healtcare > Economy > Social rights
Yeah, poor people aren't entitled to good health. Insuring them costs us money, whereas keeping them uninsured makes their inevitable expenses magically disappear. Mandating health care would be as crazy as mandating liability insurance for automobiles; thank God this glorious nation will never tread down that path.
Socialists, the lot of them!
ColonelWilks
I really hope you are being sarcastic, but sadly I fear not.
Yeah, poor people aren't entitled to good health. Insuring them costs us money, whereas keeping them uninsured makes their inevitable expenses magically disappear. Mandating health care would be as crazy as mandating liability insurance for automobiles; thank God this glorious nation will never tread down that path.
Socialists, the lot of them!
kkee
I really hope you are being sarcastic, but sadly I fear not.
You should be afraid, those reading comprehension skills won't get you far.
its weird. Here everyone seems to be for the healthcare as is. Yet everywhere else I go, everyone else I know, parents, their friends, whoever they want it changed. This place really is speical.
its weird. Here everyone seems to be for the healthcare as is. Yet everywhere else I go, everyone else I know, parents, their friends, whoever they want it changed. This place really is speical.AutoPilotOn
Odd, isn't it, that your anecdotal experience doesn't accurately describe the spectrum of opinions on the issue? It is truly scary to think that there's a world beyond the cul-de-sac.
Yeah, poor people aren't entitled to good health. Insuring them costs us money, whereas keeping them uninsured makes their inevitable expenses magically disappear. Mandating health care would be as crazy as mandating liability insurance for automobiles; thank God this glorious nation will never tread down that path.
Socialists, the lot of them!
ColonelWilks
I really hope you are being sarcastic, but sadly I fear not.
You should be afraid, those reading comprehension skills won't get you far.
I fully understand what you have written, but as with most posts on a message, the tone of the message isn't always clear.
I find American views interesting on how their health service should be run. It seems quite split on whether it should be kept the same or changed to a similar system to the one we have in the UK.
I really hope you are being sarcastic, but sadly I fear not.
kkee
You should be afraid, those reading comprehension skills won't get you far.
I fully understand what you have written, but as with most posts on a message, the tone of the message isn't always clear.
I find American views interesting on how their health service should be run. It seems quite split on whether it should be kept the same or changed to a similar system to the one we have in the UK.
I wouldn't exactly say that's the split; it would be pretty much political suicide to even suggest that the health care system in America should be government-run.
[QUOTE="ColonelWilks"] You should be afraid, those reading comprehension skills won't get you far.GabuEx
I fully understand what you have written, but as with most posts on a message, the tone of the message isn't always clear.
I find American views interesting on how their health service should be run. It seems quite split on whether it should be kept the same or changed to a similar system to the one we have in the UK.
I wouldn't exactly say that's the split; it would be pretty much political suicide to even suggest that the health care system in America should be government-run.
Protip: Medicare/Medicaid. I guess all of the politicians have committed suicide.
I fully understand what you have written, but as with most posts on a message, the tone of the message isn't always clear.
I find American views interesting on how their health service should be run. It seems quite split on whether it should be kept the same or changed to a similar system to the one we have in the UK.
ColonelWilks
I wouldn't exactly say that's the split; it would be pretty much political suicide to even suggest that the health care system in America should be government-run.
Protip: Medicare/Medicaid. I guess all of the politicians have committed suicide.
I wouldn't exactly say that's the split; it would be pretty much political suicide to even suggest that the health care system in America should be government-run.
weezyfb
Protip: Medicare/Medicaid. I guess all of the politicians have committed suicide.
medicare was controversial when it first began.
Irrelevant to our current predicament. It's a government-run program. I know, right, call the police and everything.
I fully understand what you have written, but as with most posts on a message, the tone of the message isn't always clear.
I find American views interesting on how their health service should be run. It seems quite split on whether it should be kept the same or changed to a similar system to the one we have in the UK.
ColonelWilks
I wouldn't exactly say that's the split; it would be pretty much political suicide to even suggest that the health care system in America should be government-run.
Protip: Medicare/Medicaid. I guess all of the politicians have committed suicide.
That's government-run health insurance, not health care.
[QUOTE="ColonelWilks"] Protip: Medicare/Medicaid. I guess all of the politicians have committed suicide.
ColonelWilks
medicare was controversial when it first began.
Irrelevant to our current predicament. It's a government-run program. I know, right, call the police and everything.
i know, im refereing to the polical suicide aspect of it.. it was a risky thing to promote. Just as Obama's healthcare reform.. will it cost us? yes? but the reform is necessary.
Yes, it still has to pass the Senate, and yes, Obama won't sign a repeal, and yes, there won't be enough to votes to override his veto, but this is FANTASTIC news! It looks like our country is headed back the way it should be, rather than into the ground like it has been for the last 2 years. Great news; I hope the backlash against Barack Obama's willfully ignorant and destructive agenda continues to grow.
I wouldn't exactly say that's the split; it would be pretty much political suicide to even suggest that the health care system in America should be government-run.
GabuEx
Protip: Medicare/Medicaid. I guess all of the politicians have committed suicide.
That's government-run health insurance, not health care.
Insurance is an important and unavoidable aspect of health care. We've had government intervention in health care for a very long time, and it's funny to see that people are unaware. What, unless the physician examining you works in a government department, Big Brother isn't involved? Come on, really. This is just semantics.
I have some major issues with the health-care bill, but seriously? This, if it by some unfathomable reason passes through the Senate will not survive a veto.
[QUOTE="ColonelWilks"] Protip: Medicare/Medicaid. I guess all of the politicians have committed suicide.
ColonelWilks
That's government-run health insurance, not health care.
Insurance is an important and unavoidable aspect of health care. We've had government intervention in health care for a very long time, and it's funny to see that people are unaware. What, unless the physician examining you works in a government department, Big Brother isn't involved? Come on, really. This is just semantics.
In one system, the government pays for health care coverage, but all doctors and hospitals are privately run. In the other, all doctors and hospitals are public employees. How is that just semantics? It's a big difference. (Of course, proposing the former system would already be political suicide, regardless of whether it's logically something we already have.)
So rather than doing something thats usefull they wasted their time on a doomed bill.
And people support these clowns why?
htekemerald
I think it was a damned if you do and damned if you don't type of scenario. They promised the people they would go after it, so they are just following through (knowing full well it will all be in vain I'm sure).
It looks like our country is headed back the way it should be, rather than into the ground like it has been for the last 2 years.
MagnumPI
Because the 8 years before that were just so dandy.
Well it could be worse. A step in the better direction is an improvement.
this isnt a step in a "better direction." this is a step in utter stagnation. this is 3 steps backwards. this is a step against progress.
congress has been drowning in its own complacency since 2008 and now the republicans are throwing it anchors. I dont think "step in the better direction" is a proper phrase to describe what is happening here.
:lol: Good ol' Republicans; focusing on hopeless matters in a desperate attempt to make life as miserable as possible for the common man while trying to make the common man believe they're helping them. The healthcare law is here to stay; deal with it.
It won't get through the senate, but I just think of it as a rhetorical middle finger to Obama and the last congress. fidosim
Indeed; this is totally not wasting time and money like the Repubs were accusing the Dems of doing for two years (you know, when they were getting stuff done and moving the country forward despite all Repub hysteria). Giving the finger to Obama is what'll REALLY improve the economy!
That's fantastic. I really look forward to being booted from my parent's healthcare and not being able to afford my own. Thanks, Republicans! Always thinking of the little guy.
Good ol' Republicans; focusing on hopeless matters in a desperate attempt to make life as miserable as possible for the common man while trying to make the common man believe they're helping them.Theokhoth
And then becoming a champion of that government program a generation later and making sure that the government stays out of that government program.
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