[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]:lol: Good ol' Republicans; focusing on hopeless matters in a desperate attempt to make life as miserable as possible for the common man while trying to make the common man believe they're helping them. The healthcare law is here to stay; deal with it. I would say they are following the belief of the people that elected them by trying to appeal Obamacare. It may be a lost cause right now but I am glad to see them go ahead with what they promised. Healthcare isn't here to stay either. If a Republican president is elected next term then it could be overturned.
That's fantastic. I really look forward to being booted from my parent's healthcare and not being able to afford my own. Thanks, Republicans! Always thinking of the little guy.
Dark_Knight6
At least you're away from all that nasty socialism, eh? just to make it clear: this is a parody, I would never make the above statement, and if I did, I'd give up on my degree
That's fantastic. I really look forward to being booted from my parent's healthcare and not being able to afford my own. Thanks, Republicans! Always thinking of the little guy.
T_P_O
At least you're away from all that nasty socialism, eh? just to make it clear: this is a parody, I would never make the above statement, and if I did, I'd give up on my degree
Yes what a relief. I don't mind scrapping together $100 for a prescription refill if it means staying away from those nasty communisms.
[QUOTE="TheColbert"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]:lol: Good ol' Republicans; focusing on hopeless matters in a desperate attempt to make life as miserable as possible for the common man while trying to make the common man believe they're helping them. The healthcare law is here to stay; deal with it. I would say they are following the belief of the people that elected them by trying to appeal Obamacare. It may be a lost cause right now but I am glad to see them go ahead with what they promised. Healthcare isn't here to stay either. If a Republican president is elected next term then it could be overturned. I'd say you're wrong, considering most people don't want Obamacare (what a silly term) repealed. :lol: And Repubs would still need the Senate, not just the White House. Healthcare is here to stay, and the people who cry and whine because children aren't being turned away for pre-existing conditions (like being born overweight) are disgusting excuses for human beings.
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Good ol' Republicans; focusing on hopeless matters in a desperate attempt to make life as miserable as possible for the common man while trying to make the common man believe they're helping them.GabuEx
And then becoming a champion of that government program a generation later and making sure that the government stays out of that government program.
Exactly. In twenty years Republicans will be saying healthcare repeal was THEIR idea, just like they did with Social Security and Medicare. :lol:
The only problem with socialization of things is when you run out of other people's money to spend. Then where do you get the funds? Certainly not from yourself. Have to find someone else. But who else could we tax?
Yay? So people who can't afford healthcare are gonna have to suck it up and die?
F1_2004
Nah, they just make people like me pay for everyone else. Because hey, if your born into this world, others should provide you with everything you need. You can't be expected to work and provide for your own welfare. That's why we have conservatives. They can do the work.
Yay? So people who can't afford healthcare are gonna have to suck it up and die?
sonicare
Nah, they just make people like me pay for everyone else. Because hey, if your born into this world, others should provide you with everything you need. You can't be expected to work and provide for your own welfare. That's why we have conservatives. They can do the work. Funny how countries that PAY for the poor to get health insurance end up paying less than you do by 2 times.
The only problem with socialization of things is when you run out of other people's money to spend. Then where do you get the funds? Certainly not from yourself. Have to find someone else. But who else could we tax?
sonicare
This healthcare bill is totally socialistic in nature. It also installs death panels headed by Peter Pan and the Lost Boys as a cover for their bloody crusade against all grown-ups and Christian babies. Hook/Smee 2012!
Yay? So people who can't afford healthcare are gonna have to suck it up and die?
Nah, they just make people like me pay for everyone else. Because hey, if your born into this world, others should provide you with everything you need. You can't be expected to work and provide for your own welfare. That's why we have conservatives. They can do the work. Funny how countries that PAY for the poor to get health insurance end up paying less than you do by 2 times. We pay for the poor to get health insurance. It's call medicaid. If you're poor you have coverage. The gap is in the working class. Those people make too much to qualify for medicaid. If it was up to me, I'd rather my tax money go to them because they are working.
The only problem with socialization of things is when you run out of other people's money to spend. Then where do you get the funds? Certainly not from yourself. Have to find someone else. But who else could we tax?
sonicare
Not quite clear on the socialization part. Isn't all insurance going to be private?
The only problem with socialization of things is when you run out of other people's money to spend. Then where do you get the funds? Certainly not from yourself. Have to find someone else. But who else could we tax?
wstfld
Not quite clear on the socialization part. Isn't all insurance going to be private? Not in the Conservative world, where this healthcare bill consists of nothing but FBI agents holding a gun to your head until you give your wallet to Dippy the Dope Dealer.
The only problem with socialization of things is when you run out of other people's money to spend. Then where do you get the funds? Certainly not from yourself. Have to find someone else. But who else could we tax?
Not quite clear on the socialization part. Isn't all insurance going to be private? Not in the Conservative world, where this healthcare bill consists of nothing but FBI agents holding a gun to your head until you give your wallet to Dippy the Dope Dealer. Why would the conservatives want you to give your money to a liberal?
Yay? So people who can't afford healthcare are gonna have to suck it up and die?
sonicare
Nah, they just make people like me pay for everyone else. Because hey, if your born into this world, others should provide you with everything you need. You can't be expected to work and provide for your own welfare. That's why we have conservatives. They can do the work.
Except that most people who do not have insurance cannot afford it. In order for me to be able to have my own plan, I'd have to drop out of school entirely and begin working full time. Even then, I don't know if I'd have enough income a month to cover myself. No one should ever have to choose between college and their health.
Yay? So people who can't afford healthcare are gonna have to suck it up and die?
Nah, they just make people like me pay for everyone else. Because hey, if your born into this world, others should provide you with everything you need. You can't be expected to work and provide for your own welfare. That's why we have conservatives. They can do the work.
Except that most people who do not have insurance cannot afford it. In order for me to be able to have my own plan, I'd have to drop out of school entirely and begin working full time. Even then, I don't know if I'd have enough income a month to cover myself. No one should ever have to choose between college and their health.
Yay? So people who can't afford healthcare are gonna have to suck it up and die?
Nah, they just make people like me pay for everyone else. Because hey, if your born into this world, others should provide you with everything you need. You can't be expected to work and provide for your own welfare. That's why we have conservatives. They can do the work.
Except that most people who do not have insurance cannot afford it. In order for me to be able to have my own plan, I'd have to drop out of school entirely and begin working full time. Even then, I don't know if I'd have enough income a month to cover myself. No one should ever have to choose between college and their health.
Many colleges have health plans for their students that are included in the tuition. Also, insuring young people generally is much cheaper as you tend to be a relatively healthy group of people. So you may not necessarily have to choose.
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Good ol' Republicans; focusing on hopeless matters in a desperate attempt to make life as miserable as possible for the common man while trying to make the common man believe they're helping them.Theokhoth
And then becoming a champion of that government program a generation later and making sure that the government stays out of that government program.
Exactly. In twenty years Republicans will be saying healthcare repeal was THEIR idea, just like they did with Social Security and Medicare. :lol:
Well, wait, healthcare repeal was their idea... :P
I wouldn't exactly say that's the split; it would be pretty much political suicide to even suggest that the health care system in America should be government-run.
GabuEx
Protip: Medicare/Medicaid. I guess all of the politicians have committed suicide.
That's government-run health insurance, not health care.
To be honest I'm not in favor of government run healthcare except for special circumstances.
Many colleges have health plans for their students that are included in the tuition. Also, insuring young people generally is much cheaper as you tend to be a relatively healthy group of people. So you may not necessarily have to choose.sonicare
To my knowledge, mine doesn't. If I have a pre-existing condition, the price increases greatly. This isn't something I should have to worry about. If I'm expected to go to college, get a job beneficial to the community, and pour my money back into this country, I expect to be helped at some point. Otherwise, I'm going to Canada.
Awesome, the House wasted everyone's time voting on a bill that everyone knows will never become law.
I'm glad that the Republicans are focusing on the economy like they always implored the Democrats to do.
Hemmaroids
When Democrats took power [both congress and the executive office] they wasted time by doing investigation on allegle torture of terrorism suspects and fingerpointing as normal the game of politics. I like some of Obamacare but the fact that the American ppl have to purchase health insurance by law by 2014.
I'm not a fan of it, but it's the only way to make the law work. You can't get rid of pre-existing conditions being a part of the decision to provide insurance without it, otherwise what is to stop people from abusing the system? Personally I want a system that works, and pretty much every other system used in the west is better for the average person than ours pre-PPACA and possibly after it. I like the French system though and no it isn't socialized in the slightest.
[QUOTE="sonicare"]Many colleges have health plans for their students that are included in the tuition. Also, insuring young people generally is much cheaper as you tend to be a relatively healthy group of people. So you may not necessarily have to choose.Dark_Knight6
To my knowledge, mine doesn't. If I have a pre-existing condition, the price increases greatly. This isn't something I should have to worry about. If I'm expected to go to college, get a job beneficial to the community, and pour my money back into this country, I expect to be helped at some point. Otherwise, I'm going to Canada.
You're not expected to go to college, that simply opens you up for more opportunities. And the reason you get a job is to benefit yourself. Honestly, I'd rather see our society invest more in education and providing education to our citizens. Wouldn't it be better if the government paid for your college than your health care? An investment in education pays off for both the person and society.
of course Republicans would vote that way, they're fighting so that insurance companies can continue to make loads of money by denying people care in the healthcare system, insurance companies like the broken healthcare system and Republicans like the campaign contributions of insurance companies and I think it was pretty clear during the healthcare debate that the Republicans took the position they did because they didn't want it to be a political victory for Obama, so they obstructed to peck at the goal for a better healthcare system to ruin it, it's still a broken deal IMO, the country is pretty divided on this, but not everyone that's against it thinks it needs to be repealed, many of us still feel the healthcare change didn't go far enough and that's why we're against how things ended up
[QUOTE="sonicare"]Many colleges have health plans for their students that are included in the tuition. Also, insuring young people generally is much cheaper as you tend to be a relatively healthy group of people. So you may not necessarily have to choose.sonicare
To my knowledge, mine doesn't. If I have a pre-existing condition, the price increases greatly. This isn't something I should have to worry about. If I'm expected to go to college, get a job beneficial to the community, and pour my money back into this country, I expect to be helped at some point. Otherwise, I'm going to Canada.
You're not expected to go to college, that simply opens you up for more opportunities. And the reason you get a job is to benefit yourself. Honestly, I'd rather see our society invest more in education and providing education to our citizens. Wouldn't it be better if the government paid for your college than your health care? An investment in education pays off for both the person and society.
While it would be nice to not have to pay for college, I can take out loans to pay for it. As it stands, I'd much rather be alive than have a totally free education.
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Good ol' Republicans; focusing on hopeless matters in a desperate attempt to make life as miserable as possible for the common man while trying to make the common man believe they're helping them.GabuEx
And then becoming a champion of that government program a generation later and making sure that the government stays out of that government program.
Exactly. It'll be like Switzerland. They enacted universal healthcare in 1994 and currently have the most privatized system out there in the west. The right wing parties argued that it would be expensive and that it would kill innovation. There is a PBS documentary on healthcare systems used around the world and they went to Switzerland and interviewed the current leader of the party that led the charge against universal healthcare, guess what his viewpoint is now. He is an ardent defender of the system and believes that access to affordable healthcare is a right that everyone is entitled to.
of course Republicans would vote that way, they're fighting so that insurance companies can continue to make loads of money by denying people care in the healthcare system, insurance companies like the broken healthcare system and Republicans like the campaign contributions of insurance companieslamprey263
The same insurance companies that have donated to democratic candidates as well? Check out Hillary Clinton's campaign donor list. Besides, most big businesses actually want some health reform since they have to pay for their employees health insurance. These big business companies also make campaign contributions.
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]:lol: Good ol' Republicans; focusing on hopeless matters in a desperate attempt to make life as miserable as possible for the common man while trying to make the common man believe they're helping them. The healthcare law is here to stay; deal with it.TheColbert
I would say they are following the belief of the people that elected them by trying to appeal Obamacare. It may be a lost cause right now but I am glad to see them go ahead with what they promised. Healthcare isn't here to stay either. If a Republican president is elected next term then it could be overturned.
Not possible, people will not like it especially if the major provisions have gone into effect in 2014. There is no candidate on the republican side that could possible beat Obama and the, so far, leading candidate is Mitt Romney, who, you know, established the exact same system here in Massachusetts.
To my knowledge, mine doesn't. If I have a pre-existing condition, the price increases greatly. This isn't something I should have to worry about. If I'm expected to go to college, get a job beneficial to the community, and pour my money back into this country, I expect to be helped at some point. Otherwise, I'm going to Canada.
You're not expected to go to college, that simply opens you up for more opportunities. And the reason you get a job is to benefit yourself. Honestly, I'd rather see our society invest more in education and providing education to our citizens. Wouldn't it be better if the government paid for your college than your health care? An investment in education pays off for both the person and society.
While it would be nice to not have to pay for college, I can take out loans to pay for it. As it stands, I'd much rather be alive than have a totally free education.
Actually, one of the biggest determines of your life span is your education and job. As far as being alive, the average lifespan in this country with or without healthcare is aroudn 78 years. Most of that advancement has been because of clean water and sewage.
To be honest, I'm not sure whether or not the health care bill should be repealed or not, but I highly doubt the repeal will pass the Senate, and Obama wouldn't sign it even if it would, so the Republicans are just wasting everybody's time. What should happen, and what will happen, is that they'll repeal certain parts of the bill.
From the outsider's perspective on the USA, the level of vitriol and partisan bickering that has emerged as a result of the implementation of what honestly, is a very mild overhaul when you compare it to most other Western nations, amazes me. Especially since the genesis for this bill came in 1993 from the party who is so ferverently opposing it. Then again, I suppose my living in a socialist country must blind me to all that. You'll have to excuse me; I'm late for the Two Minute Hate and announcement of this week's choco rations.
Yes, it still has to pass the Senate, and yes, Obama won't sign a repeal, and yes, there won't be enough to votes to override his veto, but this is FANTASTIC news! It looks like our country is headed back the way it should be, rather than into the ground like it has been for the last 2 years. Great news; I hope the backlash against Barack Obama's willfully ignorant and destructive agenda continues to grow.
what I find interesting about this is that you know enough to be certain that the president can veto a bill, and it can then be overridden by congress, but not that there is another chamber of congress that is currently controlled by the democrats. so irrelevant
The "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" should have been named something snazzier. I mean, how can the Democrats compete with "Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act?" It's not fair. In order for our two-party system to work, the buzzwords, sound bites and catchy slogans have to be of similar caliber.
[QUOTE="GabuEx"]Considering that the CBO has estimated that repeal would increase the deficit, um, yeah.
LukeAF24
Other people, including former CBO directors, say differently. But I'm sure you already have your mind made up.
Don't bring your facts in here! We want to rage about the government not doing enough for us! I want free pedicures, manicures, and smart cars! The government should be taking care of us, like giving us jobs, where we are all paid the same out of fairness!
Those programs for the poor to get them healthcare for free or reduced rates, forget those! I want the government forcing everyone but themselves onto the same healthcare plans! The same plans that will drive doctors away and lower the quality of our available healthcare! Because who needs quality?!?! I know I sure don't!
Those programs for the poor to get them healthcare for free or reduced rates, forget those! I want the government forcing everyone but themselves onto the same healthcare plans! cametall
If Medicaid was sufficient, would there be 45+ million uninsured Americans? That's a sizable amount of people who have fallen through the cracks. Pedicures, manicures and smart cars are all luxuries. Health shouldn't be.
[QUOTE="lamprey263"]of course Republicans would vote that way, they're fighting so that insurance companies can continue to make loads of money by denying people care in the healthcare system, insurance companies like the broken healthcare system and Republicans like the campaign contributions of insurance companiessonicare
The same insurance companies that have donated to democratic candidates as well? Check out Hillary Clinton's campaign donor list. Besides, most big businesses actually want some health reform since they have to pay for their employees health insurance. These big business companies also make campaign contributions. OMG, you're right, how did I not see it, the Democrats surely had the best interests of the insurance companies' shareholders in mind when creating this healthcare legislation.
Yeah, poor people aren't entitled to good health. Insuring them costs us money, whereas keeping them ininsured makes their inevitable expenses magically disappear. Mandating health care would be as crazy as mandating liability insurance for automobiles; thank God this glorious nation will never tread down that path.
Socialists, the lot of them!
ColonelWilks
You dont have to drive. Right, you can take (insured) public transport!
Or walk. Or ride a bike. Or ride a skateboard. Or really ride any other non-motorized mode of transport.
[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="lamprey263"]of course Republicans would vote that way, they're fighting so that insurance companies can continue to make loads of money by denying people care in the healthcare system, insurance companies like the broken healthcare system and Republicans like the campaign contributions of insurance companieslamprey263
The same insurance companies that have donated to democratic candidates as well? Check out Hillary Clinton's campaign donor list. Besides, most big businesses actually want some health reform since they have to pay for their employees health insurance. These big business companies also make campaign contributions. OMG, you're right, how did I not see it, the Democrats surely had the best interests of the insurance companies' shareholders in mind when creating this healthcare legislation.
I know, right? im sure the first piece of legislation that all health insurance companies want to lobby through congress would be one that would totally eviscerate their existence. makes perfect sense.
[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="lamprey263"]of course Republicans would vote that way, they're fighting so that insurance companies can continue to make loads of money by denying people care in the healthcare system, insurance companies like the broken healthcare system and Republicans like the campaign contributions of insurance companieslamprey263
The same insurance companies that have donated to democratic candidates as well? Check out Hillary Clinton's campaign donor list. Besides, most big businesses actually want some health reform since they have to pay for their employees health insurance. These big business companies also make campaign contributions. OMG, you're right, how did I not see it, the Democrats surely had the best interests of the insurance companies' shareholders in mind when creating this healthcare legislation. OMG, but it did. Considering the legislation requires everyone to buy health insurance, most experts are predicting this may actually be a boon to health insurance companies. . . .
And Harry Reid says he is going to block a vote on the bill. Now I fully expect every democrat on this forum to be up in arms about this. You guys just expressed your anger about how rude the GOP was for blocking all your bills over the past year or so. Surely you wouldn't want your party to be full of hypocrites? Right? Right? O who am I kidding. No one will care. Hypocrisy and politics go hand in hand.
[QUOTE="lamprey263"][QUOTE="sonicare"] The same insurance companies that have donated to democratic candidates as well? Check out Hillary Clinton's campaign donor list. Besides, most big businesses actually want some health reform since they have to pay for their employees health insurance. These big business companies also make campaign contributions.sonicare
OMG, you're right, how did I not see it, the Democrats surely had the best interests of the insurance companies' shareholders in mind when creating this healthcare legislation. OMG, but it did. Considering the legislation requires everyone to buy health insurance, most experts are predicting this may actually be a boon to health insurance companies. . . . it was the Democrats who wanted the public option that wouldn't have put that money toward private insurance, but it was the Republicans that were opposed to this, in the end they were forced to go with the insurance exchange (which is entirely private)
And Harry Reid says he is going to block a vote on the bill. Now I fully expect every democrat on this forum to be up in arms about this. You guys just expressed your anger about how rude the GOP was for blocking all your bills over the past year or so. Surely you wouldn't want your party to be full of hypocrites? Right? Right? O who am I kidding. No one will care. Hypocrisy and politics go hand in hand.limpbizkit818
I was up in arms about the fact that they were filibustering absolutely everything and effectively requiring 60 votes for passage of anything in the Senate. Harry Reid not having required 60 votes for passage on anything, I see no hypocrisy in my not minding Reid's decision.
Or walk. Or ride a bike. Or ride a skateboard. Or really ride any other non-motorized mode of transport.
Pixel-Pirate
You can crab walk to work too. You might not get there very fast, though. Excellent to put on your resume if you're a contortionist.
Just pointing out why comparing mandatory auto insurance to mandatory health insurance is not the same.
Except for those who work (and live) in a metropolis, some form of automobile transportation is a general necessity. Suburbia exists solely because of cars. What you're suggesting is the exception, not the rule.
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