US interrogation policy condemned

A US Senate committee has criticised military officials for the manner in which they developed interrogation techniques used at Guantanamo Bay.

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If the detainee dies, you're doing it wrong

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7460444.stmBBC

That is one thing I find so ironic. The US is telling everybody how they are a democratic nation, how they love human rights, and that America is the land of the free....... all the while torturing and abusing people.

Poor souls......

The Supreme Court just voted down Guantanimo Bay. The detainees there will get there day in court.sonicare

But you can bet your money that the trials will be biased as hell towards the USA. Whicker89

I'm sorry but the source made me laugh:lol:....when I was in the army the Brits sent their troops over to show the US how the Brits interrogate.

Anyway, I think the whole thing is overblown.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]The Supreme Court just voted down Guantanimo Bay. The detainees there will get there day in court.Whicker89

At least the press kept tabs on them. There are many other nations out there that exercise similar tactics but do not make them public. As long as the press has the freedom to report on these things, eventually the people will demand justice.

This is old news. The legal team that analyzed the situation said, "this should be ok". As time went on and the approval ratings went down, this became no longer ok.

I have no issue with how they interrogate plus the fact that they are getting trials could be the most rediculous thing on record....carry on...

The following is a simulated trial:

."umm and how did you get this evidence that they were a terrorist" "well after we kicked in the door during a firefight we found this information in his hut"...."so no search warrent?"...... "no"...."free the little angel so he can go back to his family and make the world a better place".....

[QUOTE="sonicare"]The Supreme Court just voted down Guantanimo Bay. The detainees there will get there day in court.Whicker89

That's what happens when people don't fight back. Unless people speak against the wrongs of people in authority, they'll think it's okay.

I have no issue with how they interrogate plus the fact that they are getting trials could be the most rediculous thing on record....carry on...

The following is a simulated trial:

."umm and how did you get this evidence that they were a terrorist" "well after we kicked in the door during a firefight we found this information in his hut"...."so no search warrent?"...... "no"...."free the little angel so he can go back to his family and make the world a better place".....

Omni-Slash

What right does the US have to arrested people in other countries anyway. Stop trying to police the world.Whicker89

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]

I have no issue with how they interrogate plus the fact that they are getting trials could be the most rediculous thing on record....carry on...

The following is a simulated trial:

."umm and how did you get this evidence that they were a terrorist" "well after we kicked in the door during a firefight we found this information in his hut"...."so no search warrent?"...... "no"...."free the little angel so he can go back to his family and make the world a better place".....

Whicker89

[QUOTE="Whicker89"]What right does the US have to arrested people in other countries anyway. Stop trying to police the world.Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="Whicker89"]What right does the US have to arrested people in other countries anyway. Stop trying to police the world.Omni-Slash

I agree.....if people wonder why the US has trouble fighting a war they need look no further than the media and public opinion.LJS9502_basic

The difference being, You are guilty by association and that if you are anywhere near the warfare you are guilty?Whicker89

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I agree.....if people wonder why the US has trouble fighting a war they need look no further than the media and public opinion.Jandurin

It's a difficult situation, though. The US was founded on the priniciples of human rights and freedoms. Yet recently, people seem to be willing to sacrifice those for the allure of "more security". But are we really safer? And to deny others their rights, is not what our nation is about. The rights and freedoms granted to US citizens by our constitution should be applicable to all people in our jurisdiction.

The one good thing is that the media and the public have had access to what goes on in these institutions. We air our dirty laundry so to speak. Because of that, we are subject to much criticism from the rest of the world. But maybe the rest of the world needs to be more forthright with what they do behind closed doors. . . . . .

[QUOTE="Whicker89"]The difference being, You are guilty by association and that if you are anywhere near the warfare you are guilty?Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="Whicker89"]The difference being, You are guilty by association and that if you are anywhere near the warfare you are guilty?Omni-Slash

sadly, many people who stayed at Guantanamo for a long long time were proven to be innocent, turned in by neighbors who had a bone to pick with them or merely in the wrong place at the wrong time.

But maybe the rest of the world needs to be more forthright with what they do behind closed doors. . . . . .

sonicare

I have no issue with how they interrogate plus the fact that they are getting trials could be the most rediculous thing on record....carry on...

The following is a simulated trial:

."umm and how did you get this evidence that they were a terrorist" "well after we kicked in the door during a firefight we found this information in his hut"...."so no search warrent?"...... "no"...."free the little angel so he can go back to his family and make the world a better place".....

Omni-Slash

So you believe that evidence obtained through fear is actually evidence? I don't. Evidence is not what people say when they are put under duress If anything it makes it more unreliable because people will spout out about anything. Ever hear of the Salem Witch Trials? What about other examples of where fear has backfired and just hurts innocent people? Our government needs to be held accountable for it's actions or we're not better than the so called people we define as terrorists.

Fear is a very powerful tool and is often misused by governments to control people or move people towards action. The idea of terrorism is the soul purpose of getting Americans to believe that they are in danger and so must act appropriately. The truth is most of the people we label as terrorist don't even effect us as much as we effect them. This is much more than terrorism. Because Americans are just as much of terrorists as the people we claim are.

We kill for a purpose. They kill for a purpose. How is it any different? All together nothing will change untill we either erradict the people we disagree with, or we start to change how we approach the situation to begin with.

I'm sorry but the source made me laugh:lol:....when I was in the army the Brits sent their troops over to show the US how the Brits interrogate.

Anyway, I think the whole thing is overblown.

LJS9502_basic

Yeah, yeah. Just wait until they kidnap you in the middle of the night and put you on a plane to a "POW" camp in the middle of nowhere, where you will be stuck for many years before you get the chance of a fair and legal trial. Of course this will most likely never happen to you because you are 1. American, and most likely, 2. White. I don't expect you, specifically you, to understand it until it happens to you and it never will so you will never understand because that's the only way you seem to understand anything.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

But maybe the rest of the world needs to be more forthright with what they do behind closed doors. . . . . .

Jandurin

Well, it's not as if China, North Korea and nations like them put any larger effort into hiding what they're doing.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I'm sorry but the source made me laugh:lol:....when I was in the army the Brits sent their troops over to show the US how the Brits interrogate.

Anyway, I think the whole thing is overblown.

BlackAlpha666

Yeah, yeah. Just wait until they kidnap you in the middle of the night and put you on a plane to a "POW" camp in the middle of nowhere, where you will be stuck for many years before you get the chance of a fair and legal trial. Of course this will most likely never happen to you because you are 1. American, and most likely, 2. White. I don't expect you, specifically you, to understand it until it happens to you and it never will so you will never understand because that's the only way you seem to understand anything.

Well, it's not as if China, North Korea and nations like them put any larger effort into hiding what they're doing.

jointed

Duh. I remember some of the info connecting Iraq with Al Qaeda was from an interrogation with an Al Qaeda member....

Yeah that turned out to be true. :P

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I'm sorry but the source made me laugh:lol:....when I was in the army the Brits sent their troops over to show the US how the Brits interrogate.

Anyway, I think the whole thing is overblown.

LJS9502_basic

Yeah, yeah. Just wait until they kidnap you in the middle of the night and put you on a plane to a "POW" camp in the middle of nowhere, where you will be stuck for many years before you get the chance of a fair and legal trial. Of course this will most likely never happen to you because you are 1. American, and most likely, 2. White. I don't expect you, specifically you, to understand it until it happens to you and it never will so you will never understand because that's the only way you seem to understand anything.

The Supreme Court just voted down Guantanimo Bay. The detainees there will get there day in court.sonicare

And so dies another symbol of American "freedom". W00T!

[QUOTE="jointed"]

Well, it's not as if China, North Korea and nations like them put any larger effort into hiding what they're doing.

Jandurin

I don't know, maybe.

All I'm saying is that I don't see why these nations should be more forthright with what they're doing behind closed doors, when they don't even try to close the doors themselves.

I'm sorry but the source made me laugh:lol:....when I was in the army the Brits sent their troops over to show the US how the Brits interrogate.

Anyway, I think the whole thing is overblown.

LJS9502_basic

QFT, as far as the whole overblown part goes

Werent you in the military?
FISSON MAILED?Whicker89

Several things wrong with that statement....one I've been out of the military for years. Second.....just because one is in the military doesn't mean they attacked a country...or even that the country in which one serves is fighting or attacking. :lol:

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

But maybe the rest of the world needs to be more forthright with what they do behind closed doors. . . . . .

jointed

Well, it's not as if China, North Korea and nations like them put any larger effort into hiding what they're doing.

China puts a huge effort into controlling the press and limiting outside knowledge of their practices. The videos seen from inside Abu Grahib and pics of Guantanimo would never air in a country like China. But there are also other nations, western nations, that have some questionable practices. They just keep them under wraps.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

But maybe the rest of the world needs to be more forthright with what they do behind closed doors. . . . . .

sonicare

Well, it's not as if China, North Korea and nations like them put any larger effort into hiding what they're doing.

China puts a huge effort into controlling the press and limiting outside knowledge of their practices. The videos seen from inside Abu Grahib and pics of Guantanimo would never air in a country like China. But there are also other nations, western nations, that have some questionable practices. They just keep them under wraps.

I'm talking about their violations of human rights (death penalty without a court hearing etc.). Just look at Tibet, the Chinese don't give a crap about foreign news repporters, they even invited them themselves.

And please, by all means, name some of these nations and practices. I've never heard about anything comming close to Guantanamo.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

But maybe the rest of the world needs to be more forthright with what they do behind closed doors. . . . . .

jointed

Well, it's not as if China, North Korea and nations like them put any larger effort into hiding what they're doing.

China puts a huge effort into controlling the press and limiting outside knowledge of their practices. The videos seen from inside Abu Grahib and pics of Guantanimo would never air in a country like China. But there are also other nations, western nations, that have some questionable practices. They just keep them under wraps.

I'm talking about their violations of human rights (death penalty without a court hearing etc.). Just look at Tibet, the Chinese don't give a crap about foreign news repporters, they even invited them themselves.

And please, by all means, name some of these nations and practices. I've never heard about anything comming close to Guantanamo.

The Chinese do give a crap about foreign news reporters.

And Israel for starters.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

But maybe the rest of the world needs to be more forthright with what they do behind closed doors. . . . . .

sonicare

Well, it's not as if China, North Korea and nations like them put any larger effort into hiding what they're doing.

China puts a huge effort into controlling the press and limiting outside knowledge of their practices. The videos seen from inside Abu Grahib and pics of Guantanimo would never air in a country like China. But there are also other nations, western nations, that have some questionable practices. They just keep them under wraps.

I'm talking about their violations of human rights (death penalty without a court hearing etc.). Just look at Tibet, the Chinese don't give a crap about foreign news repporters, they even invited them themselves.

And please, by all means, name some of these nations and practices. I've never heard about anything comming close to Guantanamo.

The Chinese do give a crap about foreign news reporters.

And Israel for starters.

Then why are they continuing the brutal treatment of Tibetans when there're still repporters in the country?

Yeah ok, I'll give you that and maybe Turkey too but they've always been shady. I really can't think of any EU or commonwealth nation.

Yeah like all us people sitting at our computers knows whats really going on huh? :|

We don't know half the story. Like we can trust the usa media....:lol:

There's lots that go on in China that never hit the press. Many citizens are rounded up and thrown in jail without cause - just for being associated with anti-government/pro democracy groups in the country. When Tianmen Square happened, we only saw a small part. China controls the press in their country. Certainly things can get out without their consent, but they do have a significant amount of control.

Israel and Turkey are just 2 nations that we know have some shady practices. I strongly suspect that other nations have some dark secrets as well that they just keep under wraps. Most of these countries have intelligence agencies, etc. and they don't play by the same rules as the general populace. For instance, had the press not gotten ahold of those images leaked from Abu Grahib, the public would never have known about it. But that doesn't mean it's not happening.

imagine being an innocent guy in Guantanamo...wowfreshgman

I can see a movie being made about it if something like that turns out

I have no problem with us interrogating terrorists, so long as they really are terrorists. But since its hard to tell, I agree with them interrogating the prisoners. Just not Jack Bauer style. :Pbattlefront23

I think that's the problem with Guantanamo. We can't be sure which ones are exactly terrorists and which ones are innocent(if any), and these torture methods, uh I mean, interrogation methods(desensationalize - water boarding etc) being applied to all captives doesn't necessarily help single out the innocents

I have no problem with us interrogating terrorists, so long as they really are terrorists. But since its hard to tell, I agree with them interrogating the prisoners. Just not Jack Bauer style. :Pbattlefront23

You're a reformed Christian, yet you support torture? You are a disgrace to the christian religion. It is so weird how so many people here support torture. It doesn't matter if they are a terrorist, you just cannot do such horrific things to human beings.