US says it has the right to kidnap British citizens.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2982640.ece

Discuss.

yea legally but its not like they are gonna actaully do it.doggy47perfecto

I love the synonyms the author came up with...kidnapping, abduction, etc.

n law, rendition is a "surrender" or "handing over" of persons or property, particularly from one jurisdiction to another. For criminal suspects, extradition is the most common type of rendition. Rendition can also be seen as the act of handing over, after the request for extradition has taken place.

How typical...

Wonder what would happen if Britain made it legal to kidnap American citizens (criminals of course) and actually did it...

I love the synonyms the author came up with...kidnapping, abduction, etc.

n law, rendition is a "surrender" or "handing over" of persons or property, particularly from one jurisdiction to another. For criminal suspects, extradition is the most common type of rendition. Rendition can also be seen as the act of handing over, after the request for extradition has taken place.

FragStains

It's time to stop nitpicking and start accepting that you guys kidnap little British orphans.

How typical...

Wonder what wouldhappen if Britain made it legal to kidnap American citizens (criminals of course) and actually did it...

jointed

I love the synonyms the author came up with...kidnapping, abduction, etc.

n law, rendition is a "surrender" or "handing over" of persons or property, particularly from one jurisdiction to another. For criminal suspects, extradition is the most common type of rendition. Rendition can also be seen as the act of handing over, after the request for extradition has taken place.

FragStains

even by your definition, they're supposed to ask the country to hand them over, rather than take them away like the child catcher.

[QUOTE="FragStains"]

I love the synonyms the author came up with...kidnapping, abduction, etc.

n law, rendition is a "surrender" or "handing over" of persons or property, particularly from one jurisdiction to another. For criminal suspects, extradition is the most common type of rendition. Rendition can also be seen as the act of handing over, after the request for extradition has taken place.

Mr_sprinkles

even by your definition, they're supposed to ask the country to hand them over, rather than take them away like the child catcher.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="FragStains"]

I love the synonyms the author came up with...kidnapping, abduction, etc.

n law, rendition is a "surrender" or "handing over" of persons or property, particularly from one jurisdiction to another. For criminal suspects, extradition is the most common type of rendition. Rendition can also be seen as the act of handing over, after the request for extradition has taken place.

FragStains

even by your definition, they're supposed to ask the country to hand them over, rather than take them away like the child catcher.

#edit# The point is, the way its usually done (as in, what pretty much every other developed nation does) is ask for the criminals to be sent over. The government of the country where the accused resides looks at the case, and if there is enough there to prove guilt they send them over to be tryed etc.

More and more, the american government appear to be working on the basis of guilty until proven innocent. And thats just not cricket.

you would if they were taken without asking america first, and if you didn't then your government would.Mr_sprinkles

Hey, we saved their ass in WWII; they owe us.:evil:Dracargen

Please tell me you are joking. It wasn't until your asses got threatened that you did anything at all.

Anyway, so America thinks it can kidnap people from our shores without any sort of legal process? Typical of the mighty US Empire...

Hey, we saved their ass in WWII; they owe us.:evil:Dracargen

Not really..

And guys, it's the principle that matters....

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]you would if they were taken without asking america first, and if you didn't then your government would.FragStains

they don't. they want america to be polite and say please :)

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]you would if they were taken without asking america first, and if you didn't then your government would.FragStains

Because they're British citizens?

Perhaps the US government should focus on catching and jailing the criminals on its own shores first before it starts trying to kidnap, sorry i mean extradite, people from the UK first?

Now i've said that i bet a bunch of FBI agents storm my house at 3am and arrest me, fly me to the US and put me on trial for saying mean things about the US. Still if it happens and i get the chance to be on TV i'll give a shout out to my US Gamespot users, perhaps some of you will visit me in prison?

[QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]you would if they were taken without asking america first, and if you didn't then your government would.jointed

Because they're British citizens?

I wonder how the US would react if we went and kidnapped some of their citizens because we suspect them of a crime. How do you think they would react? Yet as long as the mighty Bush empire is the one kidnapping it's all 'national security.'

I wonder how the US would react if we went and kidnapped some of their citizens because we suspect them of a crime. How do you think they would react? Yet as long as the mighty Bush empire is the one kidnapping it's all 'national security.'

Pothy

I don't think is a good way for the US to retrieve criminals who have committed crimes in the US. Rather, it should be requested for British authorities to assist by apprehending the criminal and trying the criminal, however, preferably the criminal should be charged in the country the crime was committed in for obvious reasons. Or perhaps in an international court.

Edit: By obvious reasons, to make sure that the criminal who committed a crime on the countries soil is given the fair oppurtunity to get the punishment a natural citizen would.

[QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]you would if they were taken without asking america first, and if you didn't then your government would.jointed

Because they're British citizens?

Here's my response to the article : Don't break the law and you won't have that problem. I love how the US is the bad guy and not the criminal breaking the law.
maheo30

yes but two wrongs dont make a right, and i love the way the US government feel they can treat citizens from any other country in any way they like...

[QUOTE="maheo30"]Here's my response to the article : Don't break the law and you won't have that problem. I love how the US is the bad guy and not the criminal breaking the law.
marriage0

yes but two wrongs dont make a right, and i love the way the US government feel they can treat citizens from any other country in any way they like...

[QUOTE="marriage0"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"]Here's my response to the article : Don't break the law and you won't have that problem. I love how the US is the bad guy and not the criminal breaking the law.
FragStains

yes but two wrongs dont make a right, and i love the way the US government feel they can treat citizens from any other country in any way they like...

Perhaps the US government should focus on catching and jailing the criminals on its own shores first before it starts trying to kidnap, sorry i mean extradite, people from the UK first?

Now i've said that i bet a bunch of FBI agents storm my house at 3am and arrest me, fly me to the US and put me on trial for saying mean things about the US. Still if it happens and i get the chance to be on TV i'll give a shout out to my US Gamespot users, perhaps some of you will visit me in prison?

1005

WRONG. You won't get a trial. They will label you as a terrorist and you will never be heard from again. :D

WOOHOO FREE BRITS! HERE I COME KATE BECKINSALE!!!

[QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="marriage0"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"]Here's my response to the article : Don't break the law and you won't have that problem. I love how the US is the bad guy and not the criminal breaking the law.
Mr_sprinkles

yes but two wrongs dont make a right, and i love the way the US government feel they can treat citizens from any other country in any way they like...

I guess we just found an international criminal loophole. Commit a crime then go back to your own country and you'll be safe.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="marriage0"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"]Here's my response to the article : Don't break the law and you won't have that problem. I love how the US is the bad guy and not the criminal breaking the law.
FragStains

yes but two wrongs dont make a right, and i love the way the US government feel they can treat citizens from any other country in any way they like...

I guess we just found an international criminal loophole. Commit a crime then go back to your own country and you'll be safe.

you misunderstand. Its the duty of british law to have people sent over to america for trial. america cannot simply take them.

thats the way it usually happens, and thats the way it works. and you know it works, because if somebody commited a crime in america and the UK refused to send them over there, america would be in an uproar. The point is, our country, our law enforcement. if you want somebody over there for trial, you ask us, you do not simply abduct people.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="marriage0"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"]Here's my response to the article : Don't break the law and you won't have that problem. I love how the US is the bad guy and not the criminal breaking the law.
FragStains

yes but two wrongs dont make a right, and i love the way the US government feel they can treat citizens from any other country in any way they like...

I guess we just found an international criminal loophole. Commit a crime then go back to your own country and you'll be safe.

No, you won't. As said before, countries can take citizens who have committed a crime to their respective country, but they MUST go through legislation, and the 'host' country has the right to refuse. They can also be tried under the laws of that particular country. What I do object to is a goverment that believes it can take whoever it wants without and legal actions being taken first.

EDIT: Aww, the guy above me beat me to it :)

[QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="marriage0"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"]Here's my response to the article : Don't break the law and you won't have that problem. I love how the US is the bad guy and not the criminal breaking the law.
Pothy

yes but two wrongs dont make a right, and i love the way the US government feel they can treat citizens from any other country in any way they like...

I guess we just found an international criminal loophole. Commit a crime then go back to your own country and you'll be safe.

No, you won't. As said before, countries can take citizens who have committed a crime to their respective country, but they MUST go through legislation, and the 'host' country has the right to refuse. They can also be tried under the laws of that particular country. What I do object to is a goverment that believes it can take whoever it wants without and legal actions being taken first.

^he said it better than me

[QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="marriage0"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"]Here's my response to the article : Don't break the law and you won't have that problem. I love how the US is the bad guy and not the criminal breaking the law.
Pothy

yes but two wrongs dont make a right, and i love the way the US government feel they can treat citizens from any other country in any way they like...

I guess we just found an international criminal loophole. Commit a crime then go back to your own country and you'll be safe.

No, you won't. As said before, countries can take citizens who have committed a crime to their respective country, but they MUST go through legislation, and the 'host' country has the right to refuse. They can also be tried under the laws of that particular country. What I do object to is a goverment that believes it can take whoever it wants without and legal actions being taken first.

EDIT: Aww, the guy above me beat me to it :)

Welcome to the all wonderful and great U.S. policies

They are no longer british citizens anyways when they waiove there rights by comitting a crime, at this point they are a criminal.Montaya

What. The. Hell.

[QUOTE="Montaya"]They are no longer british citizens anyways when they waiove there rights by comitting a crime, at this point they are a criminal.Pothy

What. The. Hell.

That is some screwed up thinking there lol. Whether a person commits a crime or not doesn't make them lose their nationality.

yea legally but its not like they are gonna actaully do it.doggy47perfecto

Kidnapping is not the correct word in this case...LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]Hey, we saved their ass in WWII; they owe us.:evil:jointed

Not really..

And guys, it's the principle that matters....

Actually we did.