U.S will have a hard time getting the people to go to War for them again

I feel that after the sham that was the Iraq War (business opportunity), a large portion of the American people will think twice about blindly following or sending their children off to War based on the Presidents word.

I hope to God this is the last we have seen of War... but if it comes I see the U.S bringing back the draft out of nessessity.

Your thoughts?

No they won't.

In this economy EVERYONE is trying to join the military.

Give peace a chance, man.

"Business Opportunity" Yeah cuz we got so much out of Iraq. *sarcasm*Jebus213

Although I should say, ive seen recent polls that most americans oppose military invasion in Iran. However that could change if tensions escalate and if the media campaigns begin

"Business Opportunity" Yeah cuz we got so much out of Iraq. *sarcasm*Jebus213

The Iraq agenda was never about you or me personally. The American people were never intended to reap any benefits, their role was to give their lives so companies like Halliburton and the Carlyle Group could get fat.

No they won't.

In this economy EVERYONE is trying to join the military.

airshocker

You bring up a valid and solid point. I guess as long as the U.S keeps a portion of the society oppressed there will always be an endless supply of those looking for an opportunity.

They sure sell it well, just look at those smiling faces. Everyone with capped teeth getting their education and coming home in one piece.

[QUOTE="Jebus213"]"Business Opportunity" Yeah cuz we got so much out of Iraq. *sarcasm*BossPerson

Although I should say, ive seen recent polls that most americans oppose military invasion in Iran. However that could change if tensions escalate and if the media campaigns begin

bro lockheed martin and boeing need their defense contractsDroidPhysX

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

No they won't.

In this economy EVERYONE is trying to join the military.

ShampooMctavish

You bring up a valid and solid point. I guess as long as the U.S keeps a portion of the society oppressed there will always be an endless supply of those looking for an opportunity.

They sure sell it well, just look at those smiling faces. Everyone with capped teeth getting their education and coming home in one piece.

You bring up a valid and solid point. I guess as long as the U.S keeps a portion of the society oppressed there will always be an endless supply of those looking for an opportunity.

They sure sell it well, just look at those smiling faces. Everyone with capped teeth getting their education and coming home in one piece.

ShampooMctavish

No one is oppressed, and the vast majority of people who join the military do come home in one piece.

[QUOTE="ShampooMctavish"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

No they won't.

In this economy EVERYONE is trying to join the military.

Jebus213

You bring up a valid and solid point. I guess as long as the U.S keeps a portion of the society oppressed there will always be an endless supply of those looking for an opportunity.

They sure sell it well, just look at those smiling faces. Everyone with capped teeth getting their education and coming home in one piece.

My sentence had two very separate points. I think you were trying to piece them together which caused miscommunication.

Me a conspiracy nut? Heck no. The fact that people buy into whatever the Government sells them makes them the biggest conspiracy theorists going. ***box cutters***

Your thoughts?

ShampooMctavish

You are a joke to me.

[QUOTE="Jebus213"]"Business Opportunity" Yeah cuz we got so much out of Iraq. *sarcasm*ShampooMctavish

The Iraq agenda was never about you or me personally. The American people were never intended to reap any benefits, their role was to give their lives so companies like Halliburton and the Carlyle Group could get fat.

Seems like an awful lot of trouble to get Halliburton fat when you could do that by just giving them a bunch of contracts to do something useful domestically.

Although I am not sure why you would even bother with something that hard if I was a global industrial conspiracist. I'd just electronically add a few zeros to my bank account. Or just have the treasury dump a load of newly minted bills at my warehouse. Not sure why I would bother with anything more complex than that.

[QUOTE="ShampooMctavish"]

You bring up a valid and solid point. I guess as long as the U.S keeps a portion of the society oppressed there will always be an endless supply of those looking for an opportunity.

They sure sell it well, just look at those smiling faces. Everyone with capped teeth getting their education and coming home in one piece.

airshocker

No one is oppressed, and the vast majority of people who join the military do come home in one piece.

You are thinking physically "one piece". Have you met many of the front line people who will never be the same (not in a good way) since coming home? Three of my friends were in Iraq for almost 2 years... never heard them speak of the college education once.

No they won't.

In this economy EVERYONE is trying to join the military.

airshocker

No they won't.

In this economy EVERYONE is trying to join the military.

airshocker

You are thinking physically "one piece". Have you met many of the front line people who will never be the same (not in a good way) since coming home? Three of my friends were in Iraq for almost 2 years... never heard them speak of the college education once.

ShampooMctavish

No, I'm thinking of everything. That's funny, I know hundreds of people who served with me in Iraq and Afghanistan. Quite a few of them got out and went through college. Some of us chose public service instead.

And going to school while you are IN the military is rare. Usually only those who are posted CONUS have that chance.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

No they won't.

In this economy EVERYONE is trying to join the military.

Pirate700

The Navy... now that is rich. Hell, if I were going to enlist I would head straight to the Navy myself... safest place to be. Of course the Navy is over booked.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

No they won't.

In this economy EVERYONE is trying to join the military.

Pirate700

That's because IN THE NAVY....YES YOU CAN SAIL THE SEVEN SEAS....

IN THE NAVY, YES YOU CAN PUT YOUR MIND AT EASE....

IN THE NAVY!!!!!!!

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

No they won't.

In this economy EVERYONE is trying to join the military.

ShampooMctavish

The Navy... now that is rich. Hell, if I were going to enlist I would head straight to the Navy myself... safest place to be. Of course the Navy is over booked.

So you admit the economic situation is a Republican strategy to increase enlistment!? Seriously though I think it's going to be harder for the US to get international allies but when it comes to recruits the culture of the US ensures that it will continue to be quite easy to fill the ranks.Ace6301

One of our better conspiracies.

Indeed. The way the Armed Forces are regarded, and the way we honor veterans continues to ensure young people join the ranks.

I feel that after the sham that was the Iraq War (business opportunity), a large portion of the American people will think twice about blindly following or sending their children off to War based on the Presidents word.

I hope to God this is the last we have seen of War... but if it comes I see the U.S bringing back the draft out of nessessity.

Your thoughts?

ShampooMctavish

What the hell are you smoking? How was the Iraq wae a business opportunity? WE GOT NO OIL. I think we should have taken their oil for the cost of building their country (not rebuilding dont get it confused)

No they won't.

In this economy EVERYONE is trying to join the military.

airshocker

[QUOTE="ShampooMctavish"]

I feel that after the sham that was the Iraq War (business opportunity), a large portion of the American people will think twice about blindly following or sending their children off to War based on the Presidents word.

I hope to God this is the last we have seen of War... but if it comes I see the U.S bringing back the draft out of nessessity.

Your thoughts?

AdamPA1006

What the hell are you smoking? How was the Iraq wae a business opportunity? WE GOT NO OIL. I think we should have taken their oil for the cost of building their country (not rebuilding dont get it confused)

Just because you can't see the opportunity or the fact that it was a half failed opportunity does not take away from the fact that it was an attempted business opportunity.

... and what is all this "WE" talk. I have now seen 3 of you use the word "WE". There is no WE. There is the common man and then there is the Government. Did you think you would be getting profit cheques from the oil?

Wake up people... Jesus.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

No they won't.

In this economy EVERYONE is trying to join the military.

jeremiah06

I just signed up for the K-9 division as a dog because all the spots were taken.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

No they won't.

In this economy EVERYONE is trying to join the military.

Pirate700

I enlisted just so I could go to Afghanistan even though I was in 2nd grade when the WTC was hit. I hate to quote call of duty but this country has no shortage of "patriots".

Yea there are a lot of people trying to enlist now but that's why Marines are only recruiting high school seniors and Army is doubling it's pt requirements (which sucks). It's not as easy to get in anymore they are all very picky with who gets in and who doesn't. ASVAB requirements for every branch got bumped up to 50, Weight requirements based on body fat% is more strict. If you have any type of criminal record you can forget about the enlisting. On top of all that they have no problem cutting dead weight before you even go to basic. My friend enlisted in the Marines, wasn't showing up to the weekly trainings or showing dedication so they discharged him. My recruiting office(Army) has already discharged a few people because they just weren't cut out for the military. So yea a lot of people want to get in but a lot of people are getting turned down. When I swore in at MEPs(processing/evaluating basically) the first thing the officer said to us was "Congratulations only 23% of recruits that walk through the door make it this far".

If you want to join the military by all means go for it but you gotta earn it. I don't leave for basic training for another 2 weeks and I'm already in the best shape I've ever been in.

And yes I fully intend on getting a college education

I enlisted just so I could go to Afghanistan even though I was in 2nd grade when the WTC was hit. I hate to quote call of duty but this country has no shortage of "patriots". And yes I fully intend on getting a college educationatony12

Oh great, now I feel old.

[QUOTE="atony12"]I enlisted just so I could go to Afghanistan even though I was in 2nd grade when the WTC was hit. I hate to quote call of duty but this country has no shortage of "patriots". And yes I fully intend on getting a college educationTHE_DRUGGIE

Oh great, now I feel old.

I can make you feel young again. I was getting out of the Marines in 86 after 6 years.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

No they won't.

In this economy EVERYONE is trying to join the military.

Ace6301

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

[QUOTE="ShampooMctavish"]

I feel that after the sham that was the Iraq War (business opportunity), a large portion of the American people will think twice about blindly following or sending their children off to War based on the Presidents word.

I hope to God this is the last we have seen of War... but if it comes I see the U.S bringing back the draft out of nessessity.

Your thoughts?

ShampooMctavish

What the hell are you smoking? How was the Iraq wae a business opportunity? WE GOT NO OIL. I think we should have taken their oil for the cost of building their country (not rebuilding dont get it confused)

Just because you can't see the opportunity or the fact that it was a half failed opportunity does not take away from the fact that it was an attempted business opportunity.

... and what is all this "WE" talk. I have now seen 3 of you use the word "WE". There is no WE. There is the common man and then there is the Government. Did you think you would be getting profit cheques from the oil?

Wake up people... Jesus.

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="atony12"]I enlisted just so I could go to Afghanistan even though I was in 2nd grade when the WTC was hit. I hate to quote call of duty but this country has no shortage of "patriots". And yes I fully intend on getting a college educationWhiteKnight77

Oh great, now I feel old.

I can make you feel young again. I was getting out of the Marines in 86 after 6 years.

Oh great, now I feel young.

Well, who in the world would want to join USA army after everyone got duped and lied to? No one, I would hope....

Some people suggest that the president could invoke the military draft once again if the situation in the Middle East continues to escalate(and it seems that it is....) due to the National Emergency that he declared not to long ago where he exemplifies his concern over the nuclear proliferation of the Russian Federation.

...

In the Executive Order I have issued today, I find that the risk of nuclear proliferation created by the accumulation in the Russian Federation of a large volume of weapons-usable fissile material continues to constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States. I therefore declared a national emergency to address this threat and to continue the blocking of all property and interests in property of the Government of the Russian Federation directly related to the implementation of the HEU Agreements.

A major national security goal of the United States is to ensure that fissile material removed from Russian nuclear weapons pursuant to various arms control and disarmament agreements is dedicated to peaceful uses, subject to transparency measures, and protected from diversion to activities of proliferation concern. The United States and the Russian Federation entered into an international agreement in February 1993 to deal with these issues as they relate to the disposition of HEU extracted from Russian nuclear weapons (the "HEU Agreement"). The HEU Agreement provides for 500 metric tons of HEU to be converted to LEU over a 20-year period. This is the equivalent of 20,000 nuclear warheads.

...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/06/25/letter-russian-highly-enriched-uraniumWhite House

If it comes down to a draft, I'd rather get charged with treason and go thru hell while being "interogated" then to fight for the interest of coporate entities.

Well, who in the world would want to join USA army after everyone got duped and lied to? No one, I would hope....

Some people suggest that the president could invoke the military draft once again if the situation in the Middle East continues to escalate(and it seems that it is....) due to the National Emergency that he declared not to long ago where he exemplifies his concern over the nuclear proliferation of the Russian Federation.

[quote="White House"]...

In the Executive Order I have issued today, I find that the risk of nuclear proliferation created by the accumulation in the Russian Federation of a large volume of weapons-usable fissile material continues to constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States. I therefore declared a national emergency to address this threat and to continue the blocking of all property and interests in property of the Government of the Russian Federation directly related to the implementation of the HEU Agreements.

A major national security goal of the United States is to ensure that fissile material removed from Russian nuclear weapons pursuant to various arms control and disarmament agreements is dedicated to peaceful uses, subject to transparency measures, and protected from diversion to activities of proliferation concern. The United States and the Russian Federation entered into an international agreement in February 1993 to deal with these issues as they relate to the disposition of HEU extracted from Russian nuclear weapons (the "HEU Agreement"). The HEU Agreement provides for 500 metric tons of HEU to be converted to LEU over a 20-year period. This is the equivalent of 20,000 nuclear warheads.

...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/06/25/letter-russian-highly-enriched-uranium_R34LiTY_

If it comes down to a draft, I'd rather get charged with treason and go thru hell while being "interogated" then to fight for the interest of coporate entities.

[QUOTE="Jebus213"]"Business Opportunity" Yeah cuz we got so much out of Iraq. *sarcasm*BossPerson

Although I should say, ive seen recent polls that most americans oppose military invasion in Iran. However that could change if tensions escalate and if the media campaigns begin

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

No they won't.

In this economy EVERYONE is trying to join the military.

Ace6301

talk about "unwinnable" scenarios? kraychik

relax bro

Not me, good Sir, I will die for my country which happens to be the USA. If there is a call to arms that demands me I will go with sincereity and dignitiy. I know other Americans would do the same.

"You can try me, fatso"-Joe Pesci, 'Goodfellas'

Yeah.

I believe you are right. No one in this country wants any more wars. At least not any reasonable person.

I believe you are right. No one in this country wants any more wars. At least not any reasonable person.

sonicare

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I believe you are right. No one in this country wants any more wars. At least not any reasonable person.

kraychik

Enough with the politics of personal distruction. We shouldn't be sending our troops like some sort of star troopers to distroy other nations. We should concentrate our efforts here at home.

[QUOTE="kraychik"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I believe you are right. No one in this country wants any more wars. At least not any reasonable person.

sonicare