USA loses in Iraq

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"] Heh... a match made in OT.Frame_Dragger

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

In what **** thread am I using this supposed double standard? No, I'm not denying that technicallythe Congress declares war for the US. For Christ's sake, I've already stated that. What I'm saying is that war is goddamn war regardless of what you choose to call it. Regardless of if it's officially declared or not.

Ravensmash

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="alexside1"] Are you suggesting that we're lovers?alexside1

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Or you just use double standards to suit your agenda depending on the thread. Frankly since I was correct about the Congressional declaration of war...and ninja just wants to argue anything.....his stance is not correct. OR are you denying that Congress declares war?LJS9502_basic

In what **** thread am I using this supposed double standard? No, I'm not denying that technicallythe Congress declares war for the US. For Christ's sake, I've already stated that. What I'm saying is that war is goddamn war regardless of what you choose to call it. Regardless of if it's officially declared or not.

War is war. It matters not if it's officially declared by a government or waged against another government or bands of insurgents. And since you failed to answer my question of what thread I'm supposedly using a double standard in I have no choice but to assume that there was no double standard and that you were simply pulling that out of your ass.

[QUOTE="gamedude2020"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You know the war ended a long long time ago and the objectives were achieved? Trolling now no?LJS9502_basic

Correction, the invasion ended a long time ago, the war is ongoing, or was ongoing uintil the US left. The Invasion was successful in it's objectives, but has the occupation been a success? only time will tell

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

In what **** thread am I using this supposed double standard? No, I'm not denying that technicallythe Congress declares war for the US. For Christ's sake, I've already stated that. What I'm saying is that war is goddamn war regardless of what you choose to call it. Regardless of if it's officially declared or not.

worlock77

War is war. It matters not if it's officially declared by a government or waged against another government or bands of insurgents. And since you failed to answer my question of what thread I'm supposedly using a double standard in I have no choice but to assume that there was no double standard and that you were simply pulling that out of your ass.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Ah well but for purposes of my post I was making the distinction between the declared war and objectives and the muck and mire the US got stuck in while trying to give the fledgling government a chance to succeed and train a military to handle the insurgency problem and leave a stable or somewhat stable country. There is a difference between the two......LJS9502_basic

War is war. It matters not if it's officially declared by a government or waged against another government or bands of insurgents. And since you failed to answer my question of what thread I'm supposedly using a double standard in I have no choice but to assume that there was no double standard and that you were simply pulling that out of your ass.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Ah well but for purposes of my post I was making the distinction between the declared war and objectives and the muck and mire the US got stuck in while trying to give the fledgling government a chance to succeed and train a military to handle the insurgency problem and leave a stable or somewhat stable country. There is a difference between the two......LJS9502_basic

War is war. It matters not if it's officially declared by a government or waged against another government or bands of insurgents. And since you failed to answer my question of what thread I'm supposedly using a double standard in I have no choice but to assume that there was no double standard and that you were simply pulling that out of your ass.

Yes, and your point is?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="gamedude2020"]

Correction, the invasion ended a long time ago, the war is ongoing, or was ongoing uintil the US left. The Invasion was successful in it's objectives, but has the occupation been a success? only time will tell

Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

War is war. It matters not if it's officially declared by a government or waged against another government or bands of insurgents. And since you failed to answer my question of what thread I'm supposedly using a double standard in I have no choice but to assume that there was no double standard and that you were simply pulling that out of your ass.

worlock77

Yes, and your point is?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] You seem to be the only person in this thread stuck on the common context of a three letter word..Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Weren't you in the thread about the Supreme Court and gingrich?LJS9502_basic

Yes, and your point is?

You might have a point if I were taking the example of the US and saying that's how government works. Period. However I was not. I stating the specific process to how the Constitution of the United States is amended. Nice fail. Do try again.

Was the US fighting Iraq for the last few years?

LJS9502_basic

What exactly was the objective? To clarify a win or loss, you'd probably need some sort of objective.

You know what's amazing? You just stroked your own shaft saying you're the only one who can tell the difference between routing a regime and the ongoing insurgency after that. Yet what does the ORIGINAL POST that you quote disagreeing with say? 'The INVASION ended a long time ago, the war is ongoing. The invasion was successful, but the occupation? Only time will tell.' That literally says the exact same thing that you claim your amazing analytical brain is only capable of working out. That there were two separate things; an invasion, and an occupation. Or as you put it, routing the regime followed by an insurgency. You literally just repeated the exact statement you supposedly disagree with.Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No the US was no longer at war with Iraq. You are wrong.Ninja-Hippo

Now again I'll ask you was the US currently fighting Iraq....not in Iraq but fighting the government of said country? Becuase that is clearly what I stated in that post. In your haste to disagree you made no distinction between the land and the government. And went off on a tangent about combat soldiers which had NOTHING to do with my post.

So show me where we were currently fighting a sovereign nation. And you might want to tone down the comments about reading comprehension because yours seems to be the one lacking.

This thread taught me a lesson. I started a thread a few houres before this one stating the last troops left Iraq this morning and added a link, trying to make an intelligent discussion. It got maybe 10 or 15 replies. The TC of this thread only uses two sentences and no links but has multiple pages of replies. Guess trolling gets way more replies than legit posts.

But then again, I should have already knew that.....

This thread taught me a lesson. I started a thread a few houres before this one stating the last troops left Iraq this morning and added a link, trying to make an intelligent discussion. It got maybe 10 or 15 replies. The TC of this thread only uses two sentences and no links but has multiple pages of replies. Guess trolling gets way more replies than legit posts.

But then again, I should have already knew that.....

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This thread taught me a lesson. I started a thread a few houres before this one stating the last troops left Iraq this morning and added a link, trying to make an intelligent discussion. It got maybe 10 or 15 replies. The TC of this thread only uses two sentences and no links but has multiple pages of replies. Guess trolling gets way more replies than legit posts.

But then again, I should have already knew that.....

ad1x2

I haven't made any comments about reading comprehension. :| You've removed a quote from that chain; the original one. Why'd you do that LJ? Because it annihilates your ridiculous argument? Of course! Keep it classy! He made no distinction between WITH Iraq and IN Iraq. He separated the two as the invasion and the ongoing insurgency. You then, for lord knows whatever reason, decided that the only thing that 'counts' is the war WITH IRAQ as a sovereign nation, and that that ended years ago, and that he is therefore wrong. You did this because.... well, the world may never know. You have since tried to back up this ridiculous logic in response to comments like 'what? You're saying a war is only a war if it's with another government?' by saying ONLY CONGRESS may declare war legally and if they do not, it's not a war! And as you continually ignore, turns out congress never even declared war anyway. So lets just ignore your petty nonsense pointless waste of time bullcrap and actually sink to your level of utterly redundant, useless semantics and even then YOU ARE STILL WRONG. Build a bridge. Get over it. Ninja-Hippo

So put up or shut up kid.

You might want to let it go. You're embarrassing yourself.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You might want to let it go. You're embarrassing yourself.Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You embarrass yourself repeatedly by not readingkuraimen

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Tell you what LJ, let's give you the benefit of the doubt. Let's hear you out man. Go for it. Set the record straight. Show me who's boss. So he said that, contrary to your statement, the war didn't end long ago. He said nah man, the INVASION ended years ago, but it was followed by an insurgency and as such the war has been ongoing. You replied with 'you are wrong.' So how is he wrong, LJ? Why is he wrong to say that we invaded iraq, and then took up arms against an insurgency all of which falls under the umbrella of the war in iraq. Please do explain and enlighten me. I genuinely would like to know how that simple, common sense statement is in fact wrong. Proceed.Ninja-Hippo

I'm asking you to prove we weren't fighting with Iraq. I'm not letting you sidetrack me. Apparently you cannot and want to divert attention from you mistake.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I'm asking you to prove we weren't fighting with Iraq. I'm not letting you sidetrack me. Apparently you cannot and want to divert attention from you mistake.

Ninja-Hippo

I'm actually out. You'd think i'd have learned my lesson by now. I think your worst and most effective skill is in making others look as stupid as you are by managing to continue these charades on for as long as you do.Ninja-Hippo

I'm actually out. You'd think i'd have learned my lesson by now. I think your worst and most effective skill is in making others look as stupid as you are by managing to continue these charades on for as long as you do.Ninja-Hippo

Quote mining and misdirection are aften used. I have no idea why you think all oranges first started growing in russia, but I'll just pretend you said that, your valid points will soon be lost in the mayhem that ensues.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]I'm actually out. You'd think i'd have learned my lesson by now. I think your worst and most effective skill is in making others look as stupid as you are by managing to continue these charades on for as long as you do.tenaka2

Quote mining and misdirection are aften used. I have no idea why you think all oranges first started growing in russia, but I'll just pretend you said that, your valid points will soon be lost in the mayhem that ensues.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I'm asking you to prove we weren't fighting with Iraq. I'm not letting you sidetrack me. Apparently you cannot and want to divert attention from you mistake.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]I'm actually out. You'd think i'd have learned my lesson by now. I think your worst and most effective skill is in making others look as stupid as you are by managing to continue these charades on for as long as you do.LJS9502_basic

Quote mining and misdirection are aften used. I have no idea why you think all oranges first started growing in russia, but I'll just pretend you said that, your valid points will soon be lost in the mayhem that ensues.

It tends t happen in most threads, its difficult to keep things in focus when talking to a number of posters at once. On one forum I used to frequent if 2 people wanted to 'have at it' then a thread would be posted that only the two involved would be allowed post in, it added clarity, Im not sure it could be adopted here however.

For the record, this is one of the topics that I tend to agree with you on the most part, the last few years in Iraq were not a war, similiar to the trouble in northern Ireland for the last 30 years were also not a war.

And then that's what you do. You bring conversations to such depths that people start to make themselves look bad for even continuing to engage you then when they decide 'screw this, i'm only making myself look dumb' you claim they ran in the face of your genius. Seriously, **** you dude. Ninja-Hippo

Edit: No way. You're not my type. Keep dreaming. :)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Quote mining and misdirection are aften used. I have no idea why you think all oranges first started growing in russia, but I'll just pretend you said that, your valid points will soon be lost in the mayhem that ensues.

tenaka2

It tends t happen in most threads, its difficult to keep things in focus when talking to a number of posters at once. On one forum I used to frequent if 2 people wanted to 'have at it' then a thread would be posted that only the two involved would be allowed post in, it added clarity, Im not sure it could be adopted here however.

For the record, this is one of the topics that I tend to agree with you on the most part, the last few years in Iraq were not a war, similiar to the trouble in northern Ireland for the last 30 years were also not a war.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Ah but Tenaka...he's the one quote mining. He took a conversation out of context and when pressed...ran away.LJS9502_basic

It tends t happen in most threads, its difficult to keep things in focus when talking to a number of posters at once. On one forum I used to frequent if 2 people wanted to 'have at it' then a thread would be posted that only the two involved would be allowed post in, it added clarity, Im not sure it could be adopted here however.

For the record, this is one of the topics that I tend to agree with you on the most part, the last few years in Iraq were not a war, similiar to the trouble in northern Ireland for the last 30 years were also not a war.

By northern ireland I am referring to the entire situation, not a specific location, the NI situation involved a number of rebels and did not reflect the society as a whole.

I agree the mission was different, every faction with any grudge against the U.S. flocked to iraq as the U.S. army were easy targets in that location, but as you said the initial goal of removing the sadam government was over pretty fast.

Not that I agree that going into Iraq was a good idea, but the U.S. completed what it set out to do.

And LULZ @ the gentlemen regarding oil. That one never gets old.

Also, it was definitely a "war".

but as you said the initial goal of removing the sadam government was over pretty fast.

tenaka2