Vegetarians vs Meat Eaters

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]Not true,youtube animal slaughter.
Dark__Link

Yes, because YouTube documents what goes on in the average slaughterhouse. :| You're only going to find biased videos of the few that aren't up to regulation.

Ok,thats cool,i still feel that animals deserve to live and enjoy life as much as we do.

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]"I don't want to eat meat because I don't like the fact that my food is killed." Well... what do you think happens everytime you pull a carrot out of the ground? :|Engrish_Major

I do not judge people, but making a comparison between eating a plant and eating an animal are baseless.

Both are living. Both are grown for us to eat.

Did you read my earlier post? No spinal cord and brain = no pain.

And did you not read my earlier post? I said that people who are not eating meat because they don't like their food killed are being silly, because everytime you uproot a plant, you're killing it. If you think that something can't be living because it doesn't have a brain and spinal cord, think again.

I never said it was not alive. I said plants do not feel pain. And if you believe that they do, then you're far more a bleeding-heart liberal than I.

The animals don't feel pain either, considering they're unconscious while the slaughterhouse lets them bleed out.

Have you ever seen video of a cow being slaughtered?

Yeah, they knock it out with a captive bolt pistol.

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]Not true,youtube animal slaughter.
xxDustmanxx

Yes, because YouTube documents what goes on in the average slaughterhouse. :| You're only going to find biased videos of the few that aren't up to regulation.

Ok,thats cool,i still feel that animals deserve to live and enjoy life as much as we do.

Choosing to be vegetarian doesn't in any way detract from the problem.

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]Not true,youtube animal slaughter.
Dark__Link

Yes, because YouTube documents what goes on in the average slaughterhouse. :| You're only going to find biased videos of the few that aren't up to regulation.

If it works for you, then do it. I do not preach my beliefs unless someone asks me about it (like this thread). I, however, choose not to participate in the process. If you feel it is fine to slaughter animals, then do it. I am just saying I will not.

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]"I don't want to eat meat because I don't like the fact that my food is killed." Well... what do you think happens everytime you pull a carrot out of the ground? :|Engrish_Major

I do not judge people, but making a comparison between eating a plant and eating an animal are baseless.

Both are living. Both are grown for us to eat.

Did you read my earlier post? No spinal cord and brain = no pain.

And did you not read my earlier post? I said that people who are not eating meat because they don't like their food killed are being silly, because everytime you uproot a plant, you're killing it. If you think that something can't be living because it doesn't have a brain and spinal cord, think again.

I never said it was not alive. I said plants do not feel pain. And if you believe that they do, then you're far more a bleeding-heart liberal than I.

See, this is where we're getting our wires crossed. You replied to me unnecessarily saying that plants don't have brains and spinal cords, thus cannot feel pain, when I wasn't even addressing that fact. I simply countered the ridiculous argument some vegatarians have that they don't eat meat simply because they don't want their food killed. And I never said I believed plants feel pain, either.

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]Not true,youtube animal slaughter.
Dark__Link

Yes, because YouTube documents what goes on in the average slaughterhouse. :| You're only going to find biased videos of the few that aren't up to regulation.

Ok,thats cool,i still feel that animals deserve to live and enjoy life as much as we do.

Choosing to be vegetarian doesn't in any way detract from the problem.

Yes it does. In India, for instance, there are hundreds of millions of vegetarians. Imagine if all of them decide to eat meat. More slaughter, more pollution, etc.

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]Not true,youtube animal slaughter.
Engrish_Major

Yes, because YouTube documents what goes on in the average slaughterhouse. :| You're only going to find biased videos of the few that aren't up to regulation.

Ok,thats cool,i still feel that animals deserve to live and enjoy life as much as we do.

Choosing to be vegetarian doesn't in any way detract from the problem.

Yes it does. In India, for instance, there are hundreds of millions of vegetarians. Imagine if all of them decide to eat meat. More slaughter, more pollution, etc.

actually they're doing a study that says cows produce more greenhouse gasses than any human....

actually they're doing a study that says cows produce more greenhouse gasses than any human....

jlh47

Exactly. That's why I will not contribute to the industry.

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]Not true,youtube animal slaughter.
Engrish_Major

Yes, because YouTube documents what goes on in the average slaughterhouse. :| You're only going to find biased videos of the few that aren't up to regulation.

Ok,thats cool,i still feel that animals deserve to live and enjoy life as much as we do.

Choosing to be vegetarian doesn't in any way detract from the problem.

Yes it does. In India, for instance, there are hundreds of millions of vegetarians. Imagine if all of them decide to eat meat. More slaughter, more pollution, etc.

It's probably a cultural thing rather than a mass movement, meaning nothing has changed. The meat industry responds to the demand, but there probably has never been a big demand from India, so all those vegetarians over there have not affected the industry. In the same way a few people in India choosing to eat meat doesn't affect the output of the meat industry, neither does a few people in America choosing NOT to.

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]Not true,youtube animal slaughter.
Engrish_Major

Yes, because YouTube documents what goes on in the average slaughterhouse. :| You're only going to find biased videos of the few that aren't up to regulation.

Ok,thats cool,i still feel that animals deserve to live and enjoy life as much as we do.

Choosing to be vegetarian doesn't in any way detract from the problem.

Yes it does. In India, for instance, there are hundreds of millions of vegetarians. Imagine if all of them decide to eat meat. More slaughter, more pollution, etc.

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]Not true,youtube animal slaughter.
Dark__Link

Yes, because YouTube documents what goes on in the average slaughterhouse. :| You're only going to find biased videos of the few that aren't up to regulation.

Ok,thats cool,i still feel that animals deserve to live and enjoy life as much as we do.

Choosing to be vegetarian doesn't in any way detract from the problem.

Once again,i feel that i shouldnt eat the rotting corpse of a once living sentient being,is that specific enough for you?Im a vegetarian,deal with it.Im against eating animals,and killing,of any kind.Animal or human or fish,even insect.

It's probably a cultural thing rather than a mass movement, meaning nothing has changed. The meat industry responds to the demand, but there probably has never been a big demand from India, so all those vegetarians over there have not affected the industry. In the same way a few people in India choosing to eat meat doesn't affect the output of the meat industry, neither does a few people in America choosing NOT to.

Dark__Link

It does in fact affect the output of the industry. Estimates of vegetarians in the US range from 3 to 5 percent, with 15 to 20 percent eating a 'reduced' amount of meat. That is millions of people in this country alone. If you are involved in any business, you realize how much a couple of percent matters when it comes to profit and moving product.

[QUOTE="hydralisk86"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]No, plants don't feel pain. No spinal cord or brain. (btw, I am a vegetarian)Engrish_Major

Look up, or ask a biologist or doctor how pain is percieved by a creature.

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

It's probably a cultural thing rather than a mass movement, meaning nothing has changed. The meat industry responds to the demand, but there probably has never been a big demand from India, so all those vegetarians over there have not affected the industry. In the same way a few people in India choosing to eat meat doesn't affect the output of the meat industry, neither does a few people in America choosing NOT to.

Engrish_Major

It does in fact affect the output of the industry. Estimates of vegetarians in the US range from 3 to 5 percent, with 15 to 20 percent eating a 'reduced' amount of meat. That is millions of people in this country alone. If you are involved in any business, you realize how much a couple of percent matters when it comes to profit and moving product.

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

It's probably a cultural thing rather than a mass movement, meaning nothing has changed. The meat industry responds to the demand, but there probably has never been a big demand from India, so all those vegetarians over there have not affected the industry. In the same way a few people in India choosing to eat meat doesn't affect the output of the meat industry, neither does a few people in America choosing NOT to.

Engrish_Major

It does in fact affect the output of the industry. Estimates of vegetarians in the US range from 3 to 5 percent, with 15 to 20 percent eating a 'reduced' amount of meat. That is millions of people in this country alone. If you are involved in any business, you realize how much a couple of percent matters when it comes to profit and moving product.

Again, I'm saying that's the standard number of vegetarians. It's not a change. Obviously, if 3-5 million people all at once decided to be vegetarians, the market would be significantly affected, but that's not how it is. They're already there, so the meat industry isn't losing anything because they never had to respond to that particular market in the first place. You, or anyone else being a vegetarian doesn't affect the industry at all. You won't change the number of animals being slaughtered by choosing to be a vegetarian because you won't change the demand.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

It's probably a cultural thing rather than a mass movement, meaning nothing has changed. The meat industry responds to the demand, but there probably has never been a big demand from India, so all those vegetarians over there have not affected the industry. In the same way a few people in India choosing to eat meat doesn't affect the output of the meat industry, neither does a few people in America choosing NOT to.

Dark__Link

It does in fact affect the output of the industry. Estimates of vegetarians in the US range from 3 to 5 percent, with 15 to 20 percent eating a 'reduced' amount of meat. That is millions of people in this country alone. If you are involved in any business, you realize how much a couple of percent matters when it comes to profit and moving product.

Again, I'm saying that's the standard number of vegetarians. It's not a change. Obviously, if 3-5 million people all at once decided to be vegetarians, the market would be significantly affected, but that's not how it is. They're already there, so the meat industry isn't losing anything because they never had to respond to that particular market in the first place. You, or anyone else being a vegetarian doesn't affect the industry at all. You won't change the number of animals being slaughtered by choosing to be a vegetarian because you won't change the demand.

Um, I used to eat meat. They did lose me.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]Not true,youtube animal slaughter.
xxDustmanxx

Yes, because YouTube documents what goes on in the average slaughterhouse. :| You're only going to find biased videos of the few that aren't up to regulation.

Ok,thats cool,i still feel that animals deserve to live and enjoy life as much as we do.

Choosing to be vegetarian doesn't in any way detract from the problem.

Yes it does. In India, for instance, there are hundreds of millions of vegetarians. Imagine if all of them decide to eat meat. More slaughter, more pollution, etc.

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]Not true,youtube animal slaughter.
Dark__Link

Yes, because YouTube documents what goes on in the average slaughterhouse. :| You're only going to find biased videos of the few that aren't up to regulation.

Ok,thats cool,i still feel that animals deserve to live and enjoy life as much as we do.

Choosing to be vegetarian doesn't in any way detract from the problem.

Once again,i feel that i shouldnt eat the rotting corpse of a once living sentient being,is that specific enough for you?Im a vegetarian,deal with it.Im against eating animals,and killing,of any kind.Animal or human or fish,even insect.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]Not true,youtube animal slaughter.
xxDustmanxx

Yes, because YouTube documents what goes on in the average slaughterhouse. :| You're only going to find biased videos of the few that aren't up to regulation.

Ok,thats cool,i still feel that animals deserve to live and enjoy life as much as we do.

Choosing to be vegetarian doesn't in any way detract from the problem.

Yes it does. In India, for instance, there are hundreds of millions of vegetarians. Imagine if all of them decide to eat meat. More slaughter, more pollution, etc.

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]Not true,youtube animal slaughter.
Dark__Link

Yes, because YouTube documents what goes on in the average slaughterhouse. :| You're only going to find biased videos of the few that aren't up to regulation.

Ok,thats cool,i still feel that animals deserve to live and enjoy life as much as we do.

Choosing to be vegetarian doesn't in any way detract from the problem.

Once again,i feel that i shouldnt eat the rotting corpse of a once living sentient being,is that specific enough for you?Im a vegetarian,deal with it.Im against eating animals,and killing,of any kind.Animal or human or fish,even insect.

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

It's probably a cultural thing rather than a mass movement, meaning nothing has changed. The meat industry responds to the demand, but there probably has never been a big demand from India, so all those vegetarians over there have not affected the industry. In the same way a few people in India choosing to eat meat doesn't affect the output of the meat industry, neither does a few people in America choosing NOT to.

Engrish_Major

It does in fact affect the output of the industry. Estimates of vegetarians in the US range from 3 to 5 percent, with 15 to 20 percent eating a 'reduced' amount of meat. That is millions of people in this country alone. If you are involved in any business, you realize how much a couple of percent matters when it comes to profit and moving product.

Again, I'm saying that's the standard number of vegetarians. It's not a change. Obviously, if 3-5 million people all at once decided to be vegetarians, the market would be significantly affected, but that's not how it is. They're already there, so the meat industry isn't losing anything because they never had to respond to that particular market in the first place. You, or anyone else being a vegetarian doesn't affect the industry at all. You won't change the number of animals being slaughtered by choosing to be a vegetarian because you won't change the demand.

Um, I used to eat meat. They did lose me.

No they didn't. That 3-5 million people is essentially a constant. You decided not to eat meat anymore, but so did all the other vegetarians. At any one time, there are only going to be 3-5 million or whatever that number is. When one vegetarian died, you replaced him or her. While the meat industry may have lost YOU in particular, they didn't lose a meat-eating slot. You didn't change demand.

No they didn't. That 3-5 million people is essentially a constant. You decided not to eat meat anymore, but so did all the other vegetarians. At any one time, there are only going to be 3-5 million or whatever that number is. When one vegetarian died, you replaced him or her. While the meat industry may have lost YOU in particular, they didn't lose a meat-eating slot. You didn't change demand.

Dark__Link

Do you vote? Are you saying that people should not do what they think is right? Anyway, the vegetarian diet is increasing in demand, not staying the same.

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

No they didn't. That 3-5 million people is essentially a constant. You decided not to eat meat anymore, but so did all the other vegetarians. At any one time, there are only going to be 3-5 million or whatever that number is. When one vegetarian died, you replaced him or her. While the meat industry may have lost YOU in particular, they didn't lose a meat-eating slot. You didn't change demand.

Engrish_Major

Do you vote? Are you saying that people should not do what they think is right? Anyway, the vegetarian diet is increasing in demand, not staying the same.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be vegetarian. I understand concerns about eating living beings and issues like that, although I don't agree with them. I'm just saying it doesn't affect how many cows in a given year will be slaughtered, so I don't feel that's a legitimate reason to be a vegetarian. Although if you truly believe it saves a few animals, you're welcome to your thoughts. Far be it from me to stop you from doing something because it makes you feel better.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

No they didn't. That 3-5 million people is essentially a constant. You decided not to eat meat anymore, but so did all the other vegetarians. At any one time, there are only going to be 3-5 million or whatever that number is. When one vegetarian died, you replaced him or her. While the meat industry may have lost YOU in particular, they didn't lose a meat-eating slot. You didn't change demand.

Dark__Link

Do you vote? Are you saying that people should not do what they think is right? Anyway, the vegetarian diet is increasing in demand, not staying the same.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be vegetarian. I understand concerns about eating living beings and issues like that, although I don't agree with them. I'm just saying it doesn't affect how many cows in a given year will be slaughtered, so I don't feel that's a legitimate reason to be a vegetarian. Although if you truly believe it saves a few animals, you're welcome to your thoughts. Far be it from me to stop you from doing something because it makes you feel better.

The fact of the matter is, I am part of a growing trend. I do not understand your objections to the purpose of being a vegetarian.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

the only reason human's have a brain large enough to debate the pros and cons of eating meat is because humans ate meat... so...

Engrish_Major

Then explain this.

i'm talkinga about from an evolutinary standpoint... :roll:

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

the only reason human's have a brain large enough to debate the pros and cons of eating meat is because humans ate meat... so...

comp_atkins

Then explain this.

i'm talkinga about from an evolutinary standpoint... :roll:

Well, we've evolved. No more need for meat. And, thanks for the eye-roll.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

the only reason human's have a brain large enough to debate the pros and cons of eating meat is because humans ate meat... so...

Engrish_Major

Then explain this.

i'm talkinga about from an evolutinary standpoint... :roll:

Well, we've evolved. No more need for meat. And, thanks for the eye-roll.

anytime. and it would be more proper to say "we're evolving".. anyway, no one is putting a buger in your mouth so relax.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

the only reason human's have a brain large enough to debate the pros and cons of eating meat is because humans ate meat... so...

Engrish_Major

Then explain this.

i'm talkinga about from an evolutinary standpoint... :roll:

Well, we've evolved. No more need for meat. And, thanks for the eye-roll.

What if early man had said the same thing? "Urg, we smart now, what more evolve we do?" How do you know we don't have more evolving to do, and your vegetarian standpoint would hinder that 'fate'?

You cant really say we've stopped evolving...really we arent, modern medicine is reducing the rate at which we evolve as humans are developing vaccines etc to stop the disease rather than mutations occuring (random) to cause immunity to a select few thus they survive and reproduce etc.

Most vegetarians i know, are vegetarians due to them not liking the manner in which the animals are killed e.g. in slaughterhouses and i accept that. Also i dont understand why some people are saying we were never meant to eat meat? I understand we have molars and pre-molars thus for grinding but do they ignore the fact we have incisiors and canines? Surely there meant to tear and rip the skin off meat. Also most herbivores have a ceacum (sorry for spelling) or other sources of cellulose digesting bacteria, humans clearly don't. Actually to a point the human caecum is irrelevant in the body thus i presume and ill say again PRESUME that we have evolved from a state to where we slowly replaced the need of nutrients from plants to being more dependant on requiring them from meat. Thus we are at a state were we are omnivores.

Im not slaggin off vegetarians, i actually believe that what there doing is in the right step, improving their diet (but having to be more concerned as they sometimes don't get all the nutrients required) but you cant simply say 'oh im a vegetarian, ill live longer' cause you have to take into other factors. Does that vegetarian smoke, drink take drugs? Then compared to meat eater that doesnt do the above the vegetarian will have a shorter life span.

[QUOTE="jlh47"]

actually they're doing a study that says cows produce more greenhouse gasses than any human....

Engrish_Major

Exactly. That's why I will not contribute to the industry.

no i mean the cows belche's contribute greatly to greenhouse gasses.. if we kill them though...

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

the only reason human's have a brain large enough to debate the pros and cons of eating meat is because humans ate meat... so...

Engrish_Major

Then explain this.

i'm talkinga about from an evolutinary standpoint... :roll:

Well, we've evolved. No more need for meat. And, thanks for the eye-roll.

that's because they ate fish as well. fish is proven to improve brain functions...

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="jlh47"]

actually they're doing a study that says cows produce more greenhouse gasses than any human....

jlh47

Exactly. That's why I will not contribute to the industry.

no i mean the cows belche's contribute greatly to greenhouse gasses.. if we kill them though...

There wouldn't be nearly as many cows if we didn't breed them for meat. Just saying. :)

Nothing's better than beef.-Twilight-

Animals have feeling I and you have feelings i eat meat but killing animals is a bit harsh, but i have lots of veggie friends and veg is cool!!!:roll:

I'm a vegetarian. Why? I think there is a difference between neccesity and desire. Meat is a desire. I don't find it morally right to cause the death of hundreds of animals because of I want to eat meat. Therefore, I don't.GettingTired

except that animal would not exist in the first place if it were not to be killed for food. its not like the chickens are hunted down in the wild to feed people. the only reason it is alive is to be food.

My own guess as to why vegetarians live longer (keep in mind I'm pulling this out of my ass) is that the diet basically forces you to pay much greater attention to what you eat. You have to choose foods very carefully in order to maintain a decent level of nutrition and in the process probably become a lot more knowledgable about what's in various foods.

I think it's that forced education that plays a larger role than the elimination of meat, though you'd never be able to prove it either way. Most people are slobs, unconsciously shoveling down anything that tastes good with little regard for how good it is for them. This goes for meat and non-meat products, since both can have adverse health effects (look at trans fats, which are vegetable based).

I view myself as a healthy eater and I eat meat. I don't eat a lot, but I also don't see the need to cut it out of my diet entirely because I understand the concept of moderation. It's also why I view turning vegetarian (or god help them, vegan) for dietary reasons, because it's not any more effective than simply paying attention to what you wrap your lips around.

Animal rights is a totally different issue, of course, and while I don't agree with people's concerns there it's not something that's totally irrational. I won't eat Kosher meat, myself, since I know the strict guidelines those animals are slaughtered under, and 'strict guidelines' just means 'some dude with a throat-slitting knife.' I trust a bolt or electric charge fired into an animal by a machine more than I do a guy with a knife. I also understand that slaughterhouses do not have a 100% success rate, but the occasional mis-stunned animal is a small price to pay for the glory of a juicy steak. They're not as common as PETA would like to have you believe, either. Especially if you make sure to get your meat locally, rather than from some foreign country with more lax animals rights laws.

[QUOTE="GettingTired"]I'm a vegetarian. Why? I think there is a difference between neccesity and desire. Meat is a desire. I don't find it morally right to cause the death of hundreds of animals because of I want to eat meat. Therefore, I don't.comp_atkins

except that animal would not exist in the first place if it were not to be killed for food. its not like the chickens are hunted down in the wild to feed people. the only reason it is alive is to be food.

Ok,but we dont want to contribute to it.

[QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="jlh47"]

actually they're doing a study that says cows produce more greenhouse gasses than any human....

Faylette

Exactly. That's why I will not contribute to the industry.

no i mean the cows belche's contribute greatly to greenhouse gasses.. if we kill them though...

There wouldn't be nearly as many cows if we didn't breed them for meat. Just saying. :)

[QUOTE="GettingTired"]I'm a vegetarian. Why? I think there is a difference between neccesity and desire. Meat is a desire. I don't find it morally right to cause the death of hundreds of animals because of I want to eat meat. Therefore, I don't.comp_atkins

except that animal would not exist in the first place if it were not to be killed for food. its not like the chickens are hunted down in the wild to feed people. the only reason it is alive is to be food.

Not necessarily. Their would still be wild fowls around, which are the feral birds related to the chicken. Plus chickens are also used for their eggs.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

[QUOTE="GettingTired"]I'm a vegetarian. Why? I think there is a difference between neccesity and desire. Meat is a desire. I don't find it morally right to cause the death of hundreds of animals because of I want to eat meat. Therefore, I don't.GettingTired

except that animal would not exist in the first place if it were not to be killed for food. its not like the chickens are hunted down in the wild to feed people. the only reason it is alive is to be food.

Not necessarily. Their would still be wild fowls around, which are the feral birds related to the chicken. Plus chickens are also used for their eggs.

but aren't we aborting their eggs?

but aren't we aborting their eggs?

jlh47

No, just eating their tasty periods.

[QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"]

[QUOTE="GettingTired"]I'm a vegetarian. Why? I think there is a difference between neccesity and desire. Meat is a desire. I don't find it morally right to cause the death of hundreds of animals because of I want to eat meat. Therefore, I don't.jlh47

except that animal would not exist in the first place if it were not to be killed for food. its not like the chickens are hunted down in the wild to feed people. the only reason it is alive is to be food.

Not necessarily. Their would still be wild fowls around, which are the feral birds related to the chicken. Plus chickens are also used for their eggs.

but aren't we aborting their eggs?

Yes, I think that's what they do.

We are all omnivores, humans need to eat meat and plants by nature.
Seriously, if someone wants to go against their nature, go ahead. But those people seem to often run into troubles as far as nutrition goes, try to find whatever substitutes necessary. Even if it means pills.
I don't mind it at all, but I don't want to hear about a vegetarian being sick at how humans eat meat. I've run into those people before, and it's kinda annoying.Nerd_Man

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]Not true,youtube animal slaughter.
xxDustmanxx

Yes, because YouTube documents what goes on in the average slaughterhouse. :| You're only going to find biased videos of the few that aren't up to regulation.

Ok,thats cool,i still feel that animals deserve to live and enjoy life as much as we do.

Choosing to be vegetarian doesn't in any way detract from the problem.

Yes it does. In India, for instance, there are hundreds of millions of vegetarians. Imagine if all of them decide to eat meat. More slaughter, more pollution, etc.

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"]

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]Not true,youtube animal slaughter.
Dark__Link

Yes, because YouTube documents what goes on in the average slaughterhouse. :| You're only going to find biased videos of the few that aren't up to regulation.

Ok,thats cool,i still feel that animals deserve to live and enjoy life as much as we do.

Choosing to be vegetarian doesn't in any way detract from the problem.

Once again,i feel that i shouldnt eat the rotting corpse of a once living sentient being,is that specific enough for you?Im a vegetarian,deal with it.Im against eating animals,and killing,of any kind.Animal or human or fish,even insect.

Killing of any kind, huh? By that logic, you'd starve to death, or have to live soley on vitamins and supplements. As I said before, each time you pull a carrot out of the ground, you kill it. Raising animals for slaughter is no different than harvesting a crop. You purposefully produce living organisms for food.

[QUOTE="Nerd_Man"]We are all omnivores, humans need to eat meat and plants by nature.
Seriously, if someone wants to go against their nature, go ahead. But those people seem to often run into troubles as far as nutrition goes, try to find whatever substitutes necessary. Even if it means pills.
I don't mind it at all, but I don't want to hear about a vegetarian being sick at how humans eat meat. I've run into those people before, and it's kinda annoying.GettingTired

That has absolutely nothing to do with this topic. But yes, you're right. People do go against their nature, and as I already said, I'm fine with it. I just don't like it when someone like a vegetarian nags over people eating meat, and how cruel we are for eating "animals." I mean, when you replace the word "meat" with "animals," that totally changes the whole perspective, and it annoys me. I don't tell vegetarians to eat meat, I don't want to hear I shouldn't eat meat.

My own guess as to why vegetarians live longer (keep in mind I'm pulling this out of my ass) is that the diet basically forces you to pay much greater attention to what you eat. You have to choose foods very carefully in order to maintain a decent level of nutrition and in the process probably become a lot more knowledgable about what's in various foods.

I think it's that forced education that plays a larger role than the elimination of meat, though you'd never be able to prove it either way. Most people are slobs, unconsciously shoveling down anything that tastes good with little regard for how good it is for them. This goes for meat and non-meat products, since both can have adverse health effects (look at trans fats, which are vegetable based).

I view myself as a healthy eater and I eat meat. I don't eat a lot, but I also don't see the need to cut it out of my diet entirely because I understand the concept of moderation. It's also why I view turning vegetarian (or god help them, vegan) for dietary reasons, because it's not any more effective than simply paying attention to what you wrap your lips around.

Animal rights is a totally different issue, of course, and while I don't agree with people's concerns there it's not something that's totally irrational. I won't eat Kosher meat, myself, since I know the strict guidelines those animals are slaughtered under, and 'strict guidelines' just means 'some dude with a throat-slitting knife.' I trust a bolt or electric charge fired into an animal by a machine more than I do a guy with a knife. I also understand that slaughterhouses do not have a 100% success rate, but the occasional mis-stunned animal is a small price to pay for the glory of a juicy steak. They're not as common as PETA would like to have you believe, either. Especially if you make sure to get your meat locally, rather than from some foreign country with more lax animals rights laws.

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What are you doing in this forum, Lae? You have too much sense.