Vegetarians vs Meat Eaters

Killing=murder, killing animals=still murder. It's not because a lot of people do it that it makes it right (think of wars). It's inhuman to make living creatures suffer, we are above of that.

Btw, somewhere in the Bible they say "Thou shall not kill." They did'nt write humans or animals, not kill, that means not kill at all.

Killing animals for eating when they are other sources of food available=inhuman IMO.

Killing=murder, killing animals=still murder. It's not because a lot of people do it that it makes it right (think of wars). It's inhuman to make living creatures suffer, we are above of that.

Btw, somewhere in the Bible they say "Thou shall not kill." They did'nt write humans or animals, not kill, that means not kill at all.

Killing animals for eating when they are other sources of food available=inhuman IMO.

Etherninty

You're still killing plants... Companies and farms produce life for us to eat, so by supporting the meat industry, I am supporting the creation of life. :) And you do realize that by living in a house, you are preventing an animal from living there? People also kill a bunch of animals every time they build a new home. As we expand, we destroy the environment of animals who soon die from starvation. We build fences, which limits their resources, we cut down trees, which destroys their homes, we use fertilizer, which harms the ecosystem, we produce pollution which also harms the environment.. everywhere we go, we morph the environment to fit our needs while mostly ignoring the needs of the other animals that might live there. You can't avoid killing animals for the benefit of humanity, it's just the way the world works. You might save a few hundred lives by going vegan, but you're still contributing to the economy, which is definitely not vegan or vegetarian.DeeJayInphinity

We've gone over this already. Just because someone is vegetarian does not mean that they expect to all of a sudden eliminated their impact on the world. Just reduced it.

Killing=murder, killing animals=still murder. It's not because a lot of people do it that it makes it right (think of wars). It's inhuman to make living creatures suffer, we are above of that.

Btw, somewhere in the Bible they say "Thou shall not kill." They did'nt write humans or animals, not kill, that means not kill at all.

Killing animals for eating when they are other sources of food available=inhuman IMO.

Etherninty

Sooo, bears and alligators and coyotes are "Murderers"?

One of the things that the Bible doesn't state is that humans are indeed omnivores. It is perfectly in a humans nature to eat meat. Just like it is for bears and alligators and coyotes, and all the other countless numbers of carnivore and omnivore creatures out there in the world.

I guess it's a "murderous" world out there.

how do people live without meat flowerpedal

I've somehow survived for almost two years.

im a vegetarian but im not a self righteous one i do eat fish though because sucshi is delicious =]kingofmaggots

wait wha ? Fish is an animal, it's meat. So you eat meat but you say you're a vegetarian :? Isn't fish considered meat ?

is this only meat eaters vs vegetarians or omnivores vs vegetarians?Hewkii

Both, you see people who eat meat would obviously also eat vegetables and what-not but the people who are vegetarian would not eat meat.

I don't see it as hypocritical. I replaced the instances where I would eat beef, chicken, and pork with something else (thereby lessening the amount of animals I eat), and eat fish once or twice a week as usual. Fish lack the neocortex, the part of the brain that more advanced animals possess in order to create the sensation of feeling pain. (note: there is a difference between experiencing a negative stimulus, and feeling pain).

Engrish_Major

Sorry if it's already been noted in this thread...I haven't read all 4 pages yet, but we can't definitively state that fish can't feel pain yet:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2983045.stm

Apparently previous testing of whether fish feel pain or not only involved things like sharks and rays that have a cartilage skeletal system, not a bone one, like trout (which were given venom to the lips in this experiment). And if one is so concerned about animals feeling pain, then is it morally alright for that person to continue eating fish? They may NOT feel pain...in which case, by that person's ethical thinking, it's okay....but they also MAY feel pain. We don't know for certain yet. Does not knowing make it ethically alright?

I also wonder, do people who are vegetarians for moral reasons also try to 'minimize demand' by consciously choosing like...non-leather goods, for instance, like non-leather shoes or a non-leather belt...? Been wondering about this. I've only ever met two moral vegetarians who have thought about that.

I eat meat/fish almost every day, in case someone was wondering. Contemplated turning vegetarian for health reasons a few months ago, but once I got back to the US, land of beef, the feeling passed.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

I don't see it as hypocritical. I replaced the instances where I would eat beef, chicken, and pork with something else (thereby lessening the amount of animals I eat), and eat fish once or twice a week as usual. Fish lack the neocortex, the part of the brain that more advanced animals possess in order to create the sensation of feeling pain. (note: there is a difference between experiencing a negative stimulus, and feeling pain).

Momo-yan

Sorry if it's already been noted in this thread...I haven't read all 4 pages yet, but we can't definitively state that fish can't feel pain yet:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2983045.stm

Apparently previous testing of whether fish feel pain or not only involved things like sharks and rays that have a cartilage skeletal system, not a bone one, like trout (which were given venom to the lips in this experiment). And if one is so concerned about animals feeling pain, then is it morally alright for that person to continue eating fish? They may NOT feel pain...in which case, by that person's ethical thinking, it's okay....but they also MAY feel pain. We don't know for certain yet. Does not knowing make it ethically alright?

I also wonder, do people who are vegetarians for moral reasons also try to 'minimize demand' by consciously choosing like...non-leather goods, for instance, like non-leather shoes or a non-leather belt...? Been wondering about this. I've only ever met two moral vegetarians who have thought about that.

I eat meat/fish almost every day, in case someone was wondering. Contemplated turning vegetarian for health reasons a few months ago, but once I got back to the US, land of beef, the feeling passed.

Not to mention, if that's your only reason for being a vegetarian, it can easily be solved by giving the animal a sedative before death... Or maybe just put them in a room and drain all the oxygen so they'd just go to sleep.

Really, that sounds like a pretty poor reason to be a vegetarian to me.

[QUOTE="Momo-yan"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

I don't see it as hypocritical. I replaced the instances where I would eat beef, chicken, and pork with something else (thereby lessening the amount of animals I eat), and eat fish once or twice a week as usual. Fish lack the neocortex, the part of the brain that more advanced animals possess in order to create the sensation of feeling pain. (note: there is a difference between experiencing a negative stimulus, and feeling pain).

guynamedbilly

Sorry if it's already been noted in this thread...I haven't read all 4 pages yet, but we can't definitively state that fish can't feel pain yet:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2983045.stm

Apparently previous testing of whether fish feel pain or not only involved things like sharks and rays that have a cartilage skeletal system, not a bone one, like trout (which were given venom to the lips in this experiment). And if one is so concerned about animals feeling pain, then is it morally alright for that person to continue eating fish? They may NOT feel pain...in which case, by that person's ethical thinking, it's okay....but they also MAY feel pain. We don't know for certain yet. Does not knowing make it ethically alright?

I also wonder, do people who are vegetarians for moral reasons also try to 'minimize demand' by consciously choosing like...non-leather goods, for instance, like non-leather shoes or a non-leather belt...? Been wondering about this. I've only ever met two moral vegetarians who have thought about that.

I eat meat/fish almost every day, in case someone was wondering. Contemplated turning vegetarian for health reasons a few months ago, but once I got back to the US, land of beef, the feeling passed.

Not to mention, if that's your only reason for being a vegetarian, it can easily be solved by giving the animal a sedative before death... Or maybe just put them in a room and drain all the oxygen so they'd just go to sleep.

Really, that sounds like a pretty poor reason to be a vegetarian to me.

How about we just stop killing them?

[QUOTE="kingofmaggots"]im a vegetarian but im not a self righteous one i do eat fish though because sucshi is delicious =]Swift_Boss_A

wait wha ? Fish is an animal, it's meat. So you eat meat but you say you're a vegetarian :? Isn't fish considered meat ?

[ im a pescetarian fish dont have souls anyway

Killing=murder, killing animals=still murder. It's not because a lot of people do it that it makes it right (think of wars). It's inhuman to make living creatures suffer, we are above of that.

Btw, somewhere in the Bible they say "Thou shall not kill." They did'nt write humans or animals, not kill, that means not kill at all.

Killing animals for eating when they are other sources of food available=inhuman IMO.

Etherninty

[QUOTE="Etherninty"]

Killing=murder, killing animals=still murder. It's not because a lot of people do it that it makes it right (think of wars). It's inhuman to make living creatures suffer, we are above of that.

Btw, somewhere in the Bible they say "Thou shall not kill." They did'nt write humans or animals, not kill, that means not kill at all.

Killing animals for eating when they are other sources of food available=inhuman IMO.

Taalon

Yeah, there's nothing in the bible that says you can't eat meat. "Thou shall not kill" definately does not apply to the slaughter of animals for food. "Thou shall not kill an animal for no good reason", maybe.

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

[QUOTE="kingofmaggots"]im a vegetarian but im not a self righteous one i do eat fish though because sucshi is delicious =]kingofmaggots

wait wha ? Fish is an animal, it's meat. So you eat meat but you say you're a vegetarian :? Isn't fish considered meat ?

[ im a pescetarian fish dont have souls anyway

oh ok but just to let you know fish do have souls, Are you saying land animals have souls but sea animals don't ?

Alright, I haven't read everything but I'm gonna give my two cents.

Because of Natural Selection, I don't find anything wrong with eating meat, but, you don't see any Lions making factories and things like that to where it's so easy to kill an animal and eat it, or mass produce them for death, where all they have to do is go to a grocery store and buy a Rib-eye or some ribs, they gotta hunt, and can go without eating for days if they are unlucky enough.

I think the real crime is what the Meatpacking industry and Fast Food have done, not meat eaters.

[QUOTE="Taalon"][QUOTE="Etherninty"]

Killing=murder, killing animals=still murder. It's not because a lot of people do it that it makes it right (think of wars). It's inhuman to make living creatures suffer, we are above of that.

Btw, somewhere in the Bible they say "Thou shall not kill." They did'nt write humans or animals, not kill, that means not kill at all.

Killing animals for eating when they are other sources of food available=inhuman IMO.

JustPlainLucas

Yeah, there's nothing in the bible that says you can't eat meat. "Thou shall not kill" definately does not apply to the slaughter of animals for food. "Thou shall not kill an animal for no good reason", maybe.

Animals were killed long before and after the Ten Commandments were written, and they weren't always eaten. But JPL is right; Wasting food is a sin.

Alright, I haven't read everything but I'm gonna give my two cents.

Because of Natural Selection, I don't find anything wrong with eating meat, but, you don't see any Lions making factories and things like that to where it's so easy to kill an animal and eat it, or mass produce them for death, where all they have to do is go to a grocery store and buy a Rib-eye or some ribs, they gotta hunt, and can go without eating for days if they are unlucky enough.

I think the real crime is what the Meatpacking industry and Fast Food have done, not meat eaters.

ElArab