Very, Very Sad Story. Wal-Mart vs Disabled Woman

How do the people who have to decide to do these things to people live with themselves and sleep at night?foxhound_fox

Lack of conscience, or they believe that they are the ones in the right.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]American healthcare :roll:gamer_marrik

better than socialism.

You should be more elaborate as to how it is better that socialism. Over here in Canada, I basically get free medical drugs (usually no more than $5 for anything that I have to pay). I can also walk in to the walk-in clinic, wait an hour and see a doctor for free and be on my way. And if I need a doctors note, generally free of charge. If I cut my forehead or any other part of my body, I head to the hospital and they have me sown up in less than an hour and I walk out free of charge.

So, now that my post was a lot more elaborate, with first party evidence as to why it's better than american healthcare, please finish your statement overpowering mine. I would much appreciate it.

His husband makes a great point. Who needs the money more, a disabled person with three children, or a corporate company that netted over 90 billion dollars last year-Sniper99-

That's not a point. It's whether or not she deserves that money. I don't know any of the legal details, so I can't form an opinion.

American healthcare :roll:swizz-the-gamer

Careful, you're ignorance is showing.

This is got nothing to do with health-care anyhow.

[QUOTE="-Sniper99-"]His husband makes a great point. Who needs the money more, a disabled person with three children, or a corporate company that netted over 90 billion dollars last yearThe_Ish

That's not a point. It's whether or not she deserves that money. I don't know any of the legal details, so I can't form an opinion.

Her health care plan stated that if she sues and is awarded money they can recoup their money from her. Had she sued for more money...and not had high legal bills this would be no story.

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[QUOTE="-Sniper99-"]His husband makes a great point. Who needs the money more, a disabled person with three children, or a corporate company that netted over 90 billion dollars last yearLJS9502_basic

That's not a point. It's whether or not she deserves that money. I don't know any of the legal details, so I can't form an opinion.

Her health care plan stated that if she sues and is awarded money they can recoup their money from her. Had she sued for more money...and not had high legal bills this would be no story.

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[QUOTE="-Sniper99-"]His husband makes a great point. Who needs the money more, a disabled person with three children, or a corporate company that netted over 90 billion dollars last year-Sniper99-

That's not a point. It's whether or not she deserves that money. I don't know any of the legal details, so I can't form an opinion.

Her health care plan stated that if she sues and is awarded money they can recoup their money from her. Had she sued for more money...and not had high legal bills this would be no story.

And they all do. This isn't the first case of this occuring you know. Whatever you think...that is how the insurance works. Her attorney should have advised the family of this.

Her attorney should have advised the family of this.LJS9502_basic

But then he'd be $600k poorer right now.

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[QUOTE="-Sniper99-"]His husband makes a great point. Who needs the money more, a disabled person with three children, or a corporate company that netted over 90 billion dollars last yearLJS9502_basic

That's not a point. It's whether or not she deserves that money. I don't know any of the legal details, so I can't form an opinion.

Her health care plan stated that if she sues and is awarded money they can recoup their money from her. Had she sued for more money...and not had high legal bills this would be no story.

And they all do. This isn't the first case of this occuring you know. Whatever you think...that is how the insurance works. Her attorney should have advised the family of this.

I know that's how it works, but this is kind of evil, don't you think?
-Sniper99-

I think it would be humane to drop the case...yes. But not everyone thinks as I do.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Her attorney should have advised the family of this.Oleg_Huzwog

But then he'd be $600k poorer right now.

If I'm not mistaken, the very steep 60% legal fee was from that suit that Shank had won from the trucking company that smashed into her which awarded her 1 million dollars. Wal-Mart has payed the alleged amount of $407k for her medical bills due to the traffic accident since she signed up for Wal-Mart's health plan. The attorney's fee has nothing to do with the money that poor Wal-Mart is asking for from that poor lady.

If I'm not mistaken, the very steep 60% legal fee was from that suit that Shank had won from the trucking company that smashed into her which awarded her 1 million dollars. Wal-Mart has payed the alleged amount of $407k for her medical bills due to the traffic accident since she signed up for Wal-Mart's health plan. The attorney's fee has nothing to do with the money that poor Wal-Mart is asking for from that poor lady.

Truth_Seekr

If the attorney had done his job, the family would've been well aware that winning a civil suit would place their insurance claim at risk. Not to accuse him of acting unscrupulously, but it was clearly in the attorney's best interest to proceed with the suit.

Thats horrible. I don't shop at WM anyway, but that just validates my action...Guiltfeeder566

Could you give an example of where you do shop? Unless you have a private tailor, most big clothing companies have skeletons in the closet.

Reasons like this is why I shop at Target and encourage anyone else to shop there, too.

As mentioned before huge corporations don't need 417K or whatever it was

As if I didn't hate Wal-Mart enough already...

**** Wal-Mart...those greedy pieces of ****!!! That spokesman that commented "Wal-Mart's plan is bound by very specific rules. ... We wish it could be more flexible in Mrs. Shank's case since her circumstances are clearly extraordinary, but this is done out of fairness to all associates who contribute to, and benefit from, the plan." I say total ******** ****!! They can make a exception, but they won't because Wal-Mart is an unbelievably greedy company. Again I say, **** Wal-Mart! Those words printed on paper don't jump off the page, grab someone and say "You have to do what I say you ****!!" So to that representitive that's just complete **** to say that the plan is "bound" and there's nothing you can do about it...it's not like Wal-Mart doesn't have the money to replenish the plan if need be. In a case this extreme you can/should bend the "rules," **** Wal-Mart!!

Well...it is their money. they're legally in the right.Dreams-Visions

Yeah their legally within their right...but there comes a point where common sense and human decency should overtake legalities. The health-plan says that Wal-Mart can pursue to re-coup the money...it didn't say they had to re-coup the money. I hated Wal-Mart anyway and also the attorney is obviously a hack himself not informing the family of this...you know he knew it, but he was going to get his so he didn't care. Legally it went accordingly...but ethically? Far far from it!

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]Well...it is their money. they're legally in the right.crazygamer1

Yeah their legally within their right...but there comes a point where common sense and human decency should overtake legalities. The health-plan says that Wal-Mart can pursue to re-coup the money...it didn't say they had to re-coup the money. I hated Wal-Mart anyway and also the attorney is obviously a hack himself not informing the family of this...you know he knew it, but he was going to get his so he didn't care. Legally it went accordingly...but ethically? Far far from it!

Corporations are not humans. their capitalistic entities designed to further themselves and survive. Not be emotional. That's what regular old people are for.

I fully expect people will either:

a.) rally to their cause and fill in the financial gaps or

b.) put enough heat on Wal-Mart for them to change their mind.

But to be sure, it is not the responsibility of a corporation to pay bills for them.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]Well...it is their money. they're legally in the right.crazygamer1

Yeah their legally within their right...but there comes a point where common sense and human decency should overtake legalities. The health-plan says that Wal-Mart can pursue to re-coup the money...it didn't say they had to re-coup the money. I hated Wal-Mart anyway and also the attorney is obviously a hack himself not informing the family of this...you know he knew it, but he was going to get his so he didn't care. Legally it went accordingly...but ethically? Far far from it!

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]Well...it is their money. they're legally in the right.crazygamer1

Yeah their legally within their right...but there comes a point where common sense and human decency should overtake legalities. The health-plan says that Wal-Mart can pursue to re-coup the money...it didn't say they had to re-coup the money. I hated Wal-Mart anyway and also the attorney is obviously a hack himself not informing the family of this...you know he knew it, but he was going to get his so he didn't care. Legally it went accordingly...but ethically? Far far from it!

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[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]Well...it is their money. they're legally in the right.Dreams-Visions

Yeah their legally within their right...but there comes a point where common sense and human decency should overtake legalities. The health-plan says that Wal-Mart can pursue to re-coup the money...it didn't say they had to re-coup the money. I hated Wal-Mart anyway and also the attorney is obviously a hack himself not informing the family of this...you know he knew it, but he was going to get his so he didn't care. Legally it went accordingly...but ethically? Far far from it!

Corporations are not humans. their capitalistic entities designed to further themselves and survive. Not be emotional. That's what regular old people are for.

I fully expect people will either:

a.) rally to their cause and fill in the financial gaps or

b.) put enough heat on Wal-Mart for them to change their mind.

But to be sure, it is not the responsibility of a corporation to pay bills for them.

The messed up part about corporations is that the courts look at them as a legal bonafied people.

Legally it went accordingly...but ethically? Far far from it!crazygamer1

My impressions from reading the article is that the family and the attorney may have acted unethically by trying to cheat the system by claiming the insurance, going after the trucking company (while knowing the insurance risk), and hoping that Wal-Mart wouldn't notice.

[QUOTE="crazygamer1"]Legally it went accordingly...but ethically? Far far from it!Oleg_Huzwog

My impressions from reading the article is that the family and the attorney may have acted unethically by trying to cheat the system by claiming the insurance, going after the trucking company (while knowing the insurance risk), and hoping that Wal-Mart wouldn't notice.

That's true.....the attorney definitely knew the ramifications.

[QUOTE="crazygamer1"]Legally it went accordingly...but ethically? Far far from it!Oleg_Huzwog

My impressions from reading the article is that the family and the attorney may have acted unethically by trying to cheat the system by claiming the insurance, going after the trucking company (while knowing the insurance risk), and hoping that Wal-Mart wouldn't notice.

That's true.....the attorney definitely knew the ramifications.LJS9502_basic

Either that, or the family has a whopper of a legal malpractice case to be brought against their attorney for gross incompetency.

Hooray for capitalism!

Hooray for small print!

Hooray for America!

Sad story. I can see Walmart's point, businesses can't make exceptions, otherwise other employees will want exceptions made on their behalf.

So whose fault is this? The woman's for not reading the fine print (or not conveying that info to her husband)? Walmart's for having on odd policy like that? Or the Shank's lawyer for not researching the company's policy?

Sad story, wish Walmart wouldn't have sued for the money back, but it was within their right.

Sad story. I can see Walmart's point, businesses can't make exceptions, otherwise other employees will want exceptions made on their behalf.

So whose fault is this? The woman's for not reading the fine print (or not conveying that info to her husband)? Walmart's for having on odd policy like that? Or the Shank's lawyer for not researching the company's policy?

Sad story, wish Walmart wouldn't have sued for the money back, but it was within their right.

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[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]American healthcare :roll:gamer_marrik

better than socialism.

I can imagine the people yelling on here when they "Cant buy a darned gallon of milk and a bag of chips for under $10.00 ?" and i will be laughing because the same people are feeling bad about some people with no health insurace. Not only will the customers who do not have a job at wal-mart suffer with high prices if healthcare is forced on the employess, but the employees themselves will need to pay higher prices. Of course some may say that they will save money if the insurance is provided for them but do the majority really need to suffer for the minority? Insurance is the main problem with the healthcare system anyways.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]American healthcare :roll:The_Ish

Careful, you're ignorance is showing.

This is got nothing to do with health-care anyhow.

American healthcare :roll:

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[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]American healthcare :roll:swizz-the-gamer

better than socialism.

The most powerful nation on earth which happens to be based on capitalism and democracy says YOU are wrong. America did not become a super power by being socialist...

How do the people who have to decide to do these things to people live with themselves and sleep at night?foxhound_fox

those people (insurance companies' heads) don't have a conscience....so they can live with it...:evil: