Wacky Obama is at it again....

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

The TC is just like Hillary. Every time she attacks Obama on some silly thing thats not even important, her numbers go down.

This is where Obama is in the national polls right now.

Obama 54%

Hillary 39%

Remember when hillary was 20 points ahead?

This is what you call momentum. Momentum for change.

SilentFireX

The majority of those (that I know atleast) voting for Obama don't even know his policies, and are voting for him based on his charisma alone. Do you have any idea how scary that is? According to the IRS, the top 50% of income earners pay almost 97% of the income tax. So, if you are in lower 50% your income tax burden is very small. His idea for the income tax to serve as a tool for redistribution of wealth is outrageous.

As for as people voting for them because they desire change, it's absolutely ridiculous, because the majority of those I've spoken with don't even know what changes he will actually bring to the U.S. if elected. I apologize for making this comparison, and do not mean to infringe on Obama's character, but if Hitler was alive and running for president I am sure he would promise, and eventually bring change. It doesn't matter that he wants to bring change, but what that change is.

I'm voting for McCain for lack of a better choice. The economy is my primary concern. The only social issue I care about is better education (voucher programs, etc) to allow people an equal opportunity to succeed. The democrats want to raise taxes AND create new programs. Universal Healthcare? Sounds like an excellent idea considering the state of Medicare, Social Security, etc. Why increase capital gains taxes, corporate taxes, slander and pledge to destroy trade agreements? All those components are necessary for a growing economy which leads to growth in the standard of living. Lost a job due to NAFTA? How about retraining programs for the displaced? No instead Democrats want to nurse inefficient businesses to save low-paying, unskilled labor. Not to mention Hilary's and Obama's penchant for earmarks...

I'll choose the lesser of the evils...

People will still vote for him because he is 'cool'.Ilived

More like an incredible candidate with the best ideas.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

People in the 150-200 thousand a year range face tax raises potentially as high as 60% of their net taxable income. yeah yeah, I know, but those r the rich!!! But really, wait til they decide to tax the middle class makine 50-70 thousand a year that amount. His tax proposals call for up to a 45% tax for people in this bracket as well.

duxup

No matter who gets elected...taxes have to go up.

No no remember! Republicans are fiscally responsible... because they say so!

Taxes are bad so if they're limited as much as possible everything will be ok!

republicans are for limited government so yeah the taxes wouldn't go up

republicans are for limited government so yeah the taxes wouldn't go up

jlh47

Republicans say they are for limited government, most if not all of the evidence points to the contrary.

[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

People in the 150-200 thousand a year range face tax raises potentially as high as 60% of their net taxable income. yeah yeah, I know, but those r the rich!!! But really, wait til they decide to tax the middle class makine 50-70 thousand a year that amount. His tax proposals call for up to a 45% tax for people in this bracket as well.

jlh47

No matter who gets elected...taxes have to go up.

No no remember! Republicans are fiscally responsible... because they say so!

Taxes are bad so if they're limited as much as possible everything will be ok!

republicans are for limited government so yeah the taxes wouldn't go up

I don't think so. On NPR yesterday they had a discussion about how Republicans and Democrats are pretty much the same, and now Republicans want government involvement in everything and intend to raise taxes.... I don't remember the details, but go to NPR.org to listen to the story (from All Things Considered yesterday evening I think).

[QUOTE="jlh47"]

republicans are for limited government so yeah the taxes wouldn't go up

Aidenfury19

Republicans say they are for limited government, most if not all of the evidence points to the contrary.

[QUOTE="Ilived"]People will still vote for him because he is 'cool'.TallicaFan2005

More like an incredible candidate with the best ideas.

Socialism is the best idea?

[QUOTE="jlh47"]

republicans are for limited government so yeah the taxes wouldn't go up

Aidenfury19

Republicans say they are for limited government, most if not all of the evidence points to the contrary.

that's of course in a perfect world.

[QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

People in the 150-200 thousand a year range face tax raises potentially as high as 60% of their net taxable income. yeah yeah, I know, but those r the rich!!! But really, wait til they decide to tax the middle class makine 50-70 thousand a year that amount. His tax proposals call for up to a 45% tax for people in this bracket as well.

TallicaFan2005

No matter who gets elected...taxes have to go up.

No no remember! Republicans are fiscally responsible... because they say so!

Taxes are bad so if they're limited as much as possible everything will be ok!

republicans are for limited government so yeah the taxes wouldn't go up

I don't think so. On NPR yesterday they had a discussion about how Republicans and Democrats are pretty much the same, and now Republicans want government involvement in everything and intend to raise taxes.... I don't remember the details, but go to NPR.org to listen to the story (from All Things Considered yesterday evening I think).

mccain isn't for raising taxes.. i really wish huckabee or paul made it though...

[QUOTE="Aidenfury19"][QUOTE="jlh47"]

republicans are for limited government so yeah the taxes wouldn't go up

jlh47

Republicans say they are for limited government, most if not all of the evidence points to the contrary.

that's of course in a perfect world.

What exactly is that post supposed to mean? I sort of need to know before I can determine whether to respond or not.

[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="spidermonkey11"]

Obama = JFK of our time (has nothing to do with the assasination)

Aidenfury19

Assassination wise, Vince Foster is the next Highest Politician to have died under mysterious circumstances.

Really, you mean the circumstances where he had a torn up suicide note, gunshot residue on his hand and only a single wound? Or do you mean the circumstances where five investigations including one by the hack Kenneth Starr all determined it was a suicide? Maybe you mean the circumstances where only conservative hacks even so much as suggested it was something other than a suicide?

I'm not for Hillary, she's just as bad as Obama. McCain isn't a great choice either, so I'm kind of stuck. Listen, the whole point is that it's not because I hate Obama, I actually think he seems like a good guy. But his ideas are so farfetched and costly, we need fiscal responsibility, not more government spending. The country's already in debt to the tune of about 54 trillion dollars, we gotta tighten our wallets and Obama doesn't want to do that.

MarineJcksn

While I agree we need to tighten our wallets some, I think PAYGO is an acceptable solution and that is something Obama wants to reinstate (it should have happened a long time ago). Instead of just spending, deficit spending is the problem we have. I can empathize with your concern, but I don't share it.

My apologies for any times in this thread that I have been antagonistic, I just see a lot of inaccurate smears on Obama coming from various sides and it makes me a bit touchy about the subject.

See, you've got the right ideas on the subject as to becoming for fiscally responsible as a nation. I just don't agree with his plans for socialized healthcare, or the 80 billion for global poverty. They seem like plans tacked on top of what we already can't afford. This country needs to slowly do away with social security in it's entirety, it's one of the biggest rip-offs our government shoves down our throats.

Maybe Obama can show me something different then what I'm seeing if he becomes president. Like I said, I agree he's really charismatic and seems the most enthusiastic of all the candidates. If he promises all these free government programs and then doesn't deliver them, I'll change my mind about the guy. Because the bottom line is we simply can't afford the stuff he and Hillary wants.

But I see how people get fired up about him, the guy is amazing once he starts talking about changing the world. It's kind of like the scene of a car crash, you don't want to watch, but you just can't look away.

[QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="Aidenfury19"][QUOTE="jlh47"]

republicans are for limited government so yeah the taxes wouldn't go up

Aidenfury19

Republicans say they are for limited government, most if not all of the evidence points to the contrary.

that's of course in a perfect world.

What exactly is that post supposed to mean? I sort of need to know before I can determine whether to respond or not.

what republicans are supposed to stand for is mainly states rights and limited government. have the states make the laws themselves. that's how it's supposed to be because they didn't want to be like england and have 1 huge government that controlled everything. that's why i said in a perfect world. i shouldn't have said in a perfect world though sorry. in a perfect world we'd have a dictatorship run by a supreme being who was perfect.

[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"][QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

People in the 150-200 thousand a year range face tax raises potentially as high as 60% of their net taxable income. yeah yeah, I know, but those r the rich!!! But really, wait til they decide to tax the middle class makine 50-70 thousand a year that amount. His tax proposals call for up to a 45% tax for people in this bracket as well.

jlh47

No matter who gets elected...taxes have to go up.

No no remember! Republicans are fiscally responsible... because they say so!

Taxes are bad so if they're limited as much as possible everything will be ok!

republicans are for limited government so yeah the taxes wouldn't go up

I don't think so. On NPR yesterday they had a discussion about how Republicans and Democrats are pretty much the same, and now Republicans want government involvement in everything and intend to raise taxes.... I don't remember the details, but go to NPR.org to listen to the story (from All Things Considered yesterday evening I think).

mccain isn't for raising taxes.. i really wish huckabee or paul made it though...

I'm just saying what I heard...I think it was from this story, but it might have been a different..I know I listened to this one..I read it just now and it doesn't say it, but maybe it's in the audio... I'm at school or I'd check.

Honesly, I don't think McCain is too horrible...I like him better than Hillary just because of the way she has been going after Obama...She seems to value cunning and crap while McCain has only stuck with the issues, and says he respects Obama.

For that, I respect McCain.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=19353348

what republicans are supposed to stand for is mainly states rights and limited government. have the states make the laws themselves. that's how it's supposed to be because they didn't want to be like england and have 1 huge government that controlled everything. that's why i said in a perfect world. i shouldn't have said in a perfect world though sorry. in a perfect world we'd have a dictatorship run by a supreme being who was perfect.

jlh47

Thats what conservatives are supposed to stand for, unfortunately I think most Republican politicians now either are part of or supporting the neoconservatives, a name I consider a misnomer because they aren't really conservative at all.

Theres a number of things I find appealing about traditional paleoconservatism, unfortunately I don't see much of that in the Republican party today.

[QUOTE="jlh47"]

what republicans are supposed to stand for is mainly states rights and limited government. have the states make the laws themselves. that's how it's supposed to be because they didn't want to be like england and have 1 huge government that controlled everything. that's why i said in a perfect world. i shouldn't have said in a perfect world though sorry. in a perfect world we'd have a dictatorship run by a supreme being who was perfect.

Aidenfury19

Thats what conservatives are supposed to stand for, unfortunately I think most Republican politicians now either are part of or supporting the neoconservatives, a name I consider a misnomer because they aren't really conservative at all.

Theres a number of things I find appealing about traditional paleoconservatism, unfortunately I don't see much of that in the Republican party today.

i know... it's a shame really cause what they should stand for is the best way imo.

[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"]

[QUOTE="Ilived"]People will still vote for him because he is 'cool'.MarineJcksn

More like an incredible candidate with the best ideas.

Socialism is the best idea?

[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

People in the 150-200 thousand a year range face tax raises potentially as high as 60% of their net taxable income. yeah yeah, I know, but those r the rich!!! But really, wait til they decide to tax the middle class makine 50-70 thousand a year that amount. His tax proposals call for up to a 45% tax for people in this bracket as well.

jlh47

No matter who gets elected...taxes have to go up.

No no remember! Republicans are fiscally responsible... because they say so!

Taxes are bad so if they're limited as much as possible everything will be ok!

republicans are for limited government so yeah the taxes wouldn't go up

Do some research on what actually happens under Republican administrations and congressional control. They talk to the talk but don't walk the walk.

[QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

People in the 150-200 thousand a year range face tax raises potentially as high as 60% of their net taxable income. yeah yeah, I know, but those r the rich!!! But really, wait til they decide to tax the middle class makine 50-70 thousand a year that amount. His tax proposals call for up to a 45% tax for people in this bracket as well.

duxup

No matter who gets elected...taxes have to go up.

No no remember! Republicans are fiscally responsible... because they say so!

Taxes are bad so if they're limited as much as possible everything will be ok!

republicans are for limited government so yeah the taxes wouldn't go up

Do some research on what actually happens under Republican administrations and congressional control. They talk to the talk but don't walk the walk.

and the democrat party doesn't do the same thing?

come on both sides talk the talk and don't live up to it.

[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

People in the 150-200 thousand a year range face tax raises potentially as high as 60% of their net taxable income. yeah yeah, I know, but those r the rich!!! But really, wait til they decide to tax the middle class makine 50-70 thousand a year that amount. His tax proposals call for up to a 45% tax for people in this bracket as well.

jlh47

No matter who gets elected...taxes have to go up.

No no remember! Republicans are fiscally responsible... because they say so!

Taxes are bad so if they're limited as much as possible everything will be ok!

republicans are for limited government so yeah the taxes wouldn't go up

Do some research on what actually happens under Republican administrations and congressional control. They talk to the talk but don't walk the walk.

and the democrat party doesn't do the same thing?

come on both sides talk the talk and don't live up to it.

If we're on the subject of taxes, Obama just wants to take the money being wasted in Iraq right now and use it on things like improving the infrastructure HERE, and researching alternative energy and such. Which is better? I think Obama's idea.

You know Obama has gotten really popular when he is suddenly in league with terrorists.Sajo7

:lol:... makes sense.

and the democrat party doesn't do the same thing?

come on both sides talk the talk and don't live up to it.

jlh47

I've never heard them talk about shirking government and fail to do so all the time.

I don't think recrimination is going to help you on this point. Republicans don't shrink government or even curtail spending.

[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"][QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"]

[QUOTE="Ilived"]People will still vote for him because he is 'cool'.yoshi-lnex

More like an incredible candidate with the best ideas.

Socialism is the best idea?

I don't understand where you're going with that point, please explain.

[QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

People in the 150-200 thousand a year range face tax raises potentially as high as 60% of their net taxable income. yeah yeah, I know, but those r the rich!!! But really, wait til they decide to tax the middle class makine 50-70 thousand a year that amount. His tax proposals call for up to a 45% tax for people in this bracket as well.

Engrish_Major

No matter who gets elected...taxes have to go up.

No no remember! Republicans are fiscally responsible... because they say so!

Taxes are bad so if they're limited as much as possible everything will be ok!

republicans are for limited government so yeah the taxes wouldn't go up

Do some research on what actually happens under Republican administrations and congressional control. They talk to the talk but don't walk the walk.

and the democrat party doesn't do the same thing?

come on both sides talk the talk and don't live up to it.

If we're on the subject of taxes, Obama just wants to take the money being wasted in Iraq right now and use it on things like improving the infrastructure HERE, and researching alternative energy and such. Which is better? I think Obama's idea.

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]

[QUOTE="Ilived"]People will still vote for him because he is 'cool'.MarineJcksn

More like an incredible candidate with the best ideas.

Socialism is the best idea?

Obama is not a socialist :roll:.

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"][QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"]

[QUOTE="Ilived"]People will still vote for him because he is 'cool'.MarineJcksn

More like an incredible candidate with the best ideas.

Socialism is the best idea?

I don't understand where you're going with that point, please explain.

If we're on the subject of taxes, Obama just wants to take the money being wasted in Iraq right now and use it on things like improving the infrastructure HERE, and researching alternative energy and such. Which is better? I think Obama's idea.

I'm all for using orur tax money for infastructure here in America, but not for socialized medicine, global poverty or the UN. Obama's words convey that he's for the redistribution of wealth, which to me sounds like classic marxism. It scares me.

I'm all for using orur tax money for infastructure here in America, but not for socialized medicine, global poverty or the UN. Obama's words convey that he's for the redistribution of wealth, which to me sounds like classic marxism. It scares me.MarineJcksn

Bush is for the redistribution of wealth too. Taking it from middle-cl@ss americans and giving it to Haliburton and Exxon and Iraq.

I'm all for using orur tax money for infastructure here in America, but not for socialized medicine, global poverty or the UN. Obama's words convey that he's for the redistribution of wealth, which to me sounds like classic marxism. It scares me.

MarineJcksn

[QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

People in the 150-200 thousand a year range face tax raises potentially as high as 60% of their net taxable income. yeah yeah, I know, but those r the rich!!! But really, wait til they decide to tax the middle class makine 50-70 thousand a year that amount. His tax proposals call for up to a 45% tax for people in this bracket as well.

Engrish_Major

No matter who gets elected...taxes have to go up.

No no remember! Republicans are fiscally responsible... because they say so!

Taxes are bad so if they're limited as much as possible everything will be ok!

republicans are for limited government so yeah the taxes wouldn't go up

Do some research on what actually happens under Republican administrations and congressional control. They talk to the talk but don't walk the walk.

and the democrat party doesn't do the same thing?

come on both sides talk the talk and don't live up to it.

If we're on the subject of taxes, Obama just wants to take the money being wasted in Iraq right now and use it on things like improving the infrastructure HERE, and researching alternative energy and such. Which is better? I think Obama's idea.

you can't just turntail on iraq like he wants to...

that would leave it in a worse state than it is.

[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

I'm all for using orur tax money for infastructure here in America, but not for socialized medicine, global poverty or the UN. Obama's words convey that he's for the redistribution of wealth, which to me sounds like classic marxism. It scares me.

Mr_sprinkles

Because somehow McCarthyism still resonates inexplicably with 21st century Americans. It's like being stuck in the 50's!!!

you can't just turntail on iraq like he wants to...

that would leave it in a worse state than it is.

jlh47

Says who? The same people who said we would be greeted as liberators? Or the people who said they had WMDs? Or was it the people who said that the insurgency would die when Saddaam was captured?

[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]I'm all for using orur tax money for infastructure here in America, but not for socialized medicine, global poverty or the UN. Obama's words convey that he's for the redistribution of wealth, which to me sounds like classic marxism. It scares me.Engrish_Major

Bush is for the redistribution of wealth too. Taking it from middle-cl@ss americans and giving it to Haliburton and Exxon and Iraq.

That's the most incomplete attempt at a comeback I've ever heard.

You do know that Haliburton and Exxon are publicly traded companies right? That scores of middle-cl@ss americans own stock in these companies, you understand that right? Not every corporation is funneling millions of dollars into their CEO's pockets like Enron.

[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]

[QUOTE="Ilived"]People will still vote for him because he is 'cool'.Engrish_Major

More like an incredible candidate with the best ideas.

Socialism is the best idea?

Obama is not a socialist :roll:.

How exactly is he not? Redistributing wealth, the collective good outweighing the individual, sounds pretty socialist to me.

[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

I'm all for using orur tax money for infastructure here in America, but not for socialized medicine, global poverty or the UN. Obama's words convey that he's for the redistribution of wealth, which to me sounds like classic marxism. It scares me.

Mr_sprinkles

Seriously? Why is Communism a bad thing? You seriously just asked that? :?

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

I'm all for using orur tax money for infastructure here in America, but not for socialized medicine, global poverty or the UN. Obama's words convey that he's for the redistribution of wealth, which to me sounds like classic marxism. It scares me.

Engrish_Major

Because somehow McCarthyism still resonates inexplicably with 21st century Americans. It's like being stuck in the 50's!!!

McCarthy went way too far, but the liberal bias used to smear and deface him was just as disgusting.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

I'm all for using orur tax money for infastructure here in America, but not for socialized medicine, global poverty or the UN. Obama's words convey that he's for the redistribution of wealth, which to me sounds like classic marxism. It scares me.

MarineJcksn

Seriously? Why is Communism a bad thing? You seriously just asked that? :?

yeah, communism has a bad rap. I don't see why redistribution is bad though. Robin hood was always the good guy in the stories!

First of all saying Republicans don't cut taxes is just a flat out lie. Secound Democrats are closer to being Commies while Republicans are closer/are libertarians. I am simply not in favor of Obama, Socialized Medicine, wasting money with the UN and letting Open Trade die is just wrong. Multiple nations want to free trade with us and it's time to improve relations by letting them not blocking them with a blocker...how does that make us look? I also think Obama is too soft on threats that the U.S. will have to face, and it's too late to pull outta Iraq they just got the surge working and have turned everything around and now...NOW we're going to lose everything? It's like the stock market you're not losing money till you sell the stock below what you bought it at. (obviously the chance of bankruptcy but...that's not the point)

/rant over

First of all saying Republicans don't cut taxes is just a flat out lie. Secound Democrats are closer to being Commies while Republicans are closer/are libertarians. I am simply not in favor of Obama, Socialized Medicine, wasting money with the UN and letting Open Trade die is just wrong. Multiple nations want to free trade with us and it's time to improve relations by letting them not blocking them with a blocker...how does that make us look? I also think Obama is too soft on threats that the U.S. will have to face, and it's too late to pull outta Iraq they just got the surge working and have turned everything around and now...NOW we're going to lose everything? It's like the stock market you're not losing money till you sell the stock below what you bought it at. (obviously the chance of bankruptcy but...that's not the point)

/rant over

mechwarrior_bob

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]

[QUOTE="Ilived"]People will still vote for him because he is 'cool'.MarineJcksn

More like an incredible candidate with the best ideas.

Socialism is the best idea?

Obama is not a socialist :roll:.

How exactly is he not? Redistributing wealth, the collective good outweighing the individual, sounds pretty socialist to me.

Study politics in other countries for a start. Americans have no idea what actual socialism is.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]I'm all for using orur tax money for infastructure here in America, but not for socialized medicine, global poverty or the UN. Obama's words convey that he's for the redistribution of wealth, which to me sounds like classic marxism. It scares me.MarineJcksn

Bush is for the redistribution of wealth too. Taking it from middle-cl@ss americans and giving it to Haliburton and Exxon and Iraq.

That's the most incomplete attempt at a comeback I've ever heard.

You do know that Haliburton and Exxon are publicly traded companies right? That scores of middle-cl@ss americans own stock in these companies, you understand that right? Not every corporation is funneling millions of dollars into their CEO's pockets like Enron.

Yeah, because Haliburton getting rich from the war really benefits the average middle cl@ss American.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

I'm all for using orur tax money for infastructure here in America, but not for socialized medicine, global poverty or the UN. Obama's words convey that he's for the redistribution of wealth, which to me sounds like classic marxism. It scares me.

MarineJcksn

Because somehow McCarthyism still resonates inexplicably with 21st century Americans. It's like being stuck in the 50's!!!

McCarthy went way too far, but the liberal bias used to smear and deface him was just as disgusting.

I think anybody who tries to jail people for thinking a certain way cannot be defaced enough.

McCarthy was a monster, undeniably.

[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

I'm all for using orur tax money for infastructure here in America, but not for socialized medicine, global poverty or the UN. Obama's words convey that he's for the redistribution of wealth, which to me sounds like classic marxism. It scares me.

Mr_sprinkles

Seriously? Why is Communism a bad thing? You seriously just asked that? :?

yeah, communism has a bad rap. I don't see why redistribution is bad though. Robin hood was always the good guy in the stories!

Can't argue with ya on Robin Hood, he was dope. Especially Cary Elwes as Robin Hood. 8)

[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]I'm all for using orur tax money for infastructure here in America, but not for socialized medicine, global poverty or the UN. Obama's words convey that he's for the redistribution of wealth, which to me sounds like classic marxism. It scares me.Engrish_Major

Bush is for the redistribution of wealth too. Taking it from middle-cl@ss americans and giving it to Haliburton and Exxon and Iraq.

That's the most incomplete attempt at a comeback I've ever heard.

You do know that Haliburton and Exxon are publicly traded companies right? That scores of middle-cl@ss americans own stock in these companies, you understand that right? Not every corporation is funneling millions of dollars into their CEO's pockets like Enron.

Yeah, because Haliburton getting rich from the war really benefits the average middle cl@ss American.

Do you have any idea how easy it is to get a job with Haliburton? While I was in Iraq I was offered a contract position at 10 thousand a month to start. How doesn't that help the middle cl@ss? (p.s. I didn't take the job because I'm still on my enlistment contract:cry:)

The next thing they are gonna go ona bout is the fact his middle name is Hussein.sSubZerOo