Watchmen MOVIE discussion

I just watched Watchmen last night, and I wasnt to keen on it. It was so long 2hours35minutes! I loved the first half an hour, and the last 40minutes were great, but the other 85 minutes were quite frankly boring, apart from some very well chosen music. The plot was confusing at times with the constant flashbacks, and it took me a bit of thought to figure it out. And what also annoyed me was the fact that 300's visual design was brilliant (despite a bit of boardom throughout), and Watchmens visual design was much more bland in my opinion. I would probably give it a 6/10, because I think Snyder can only hold half of an audiences attention (considering half of critics say Yay! and half the critics say Nay!. I really really tried to like this movie, but I was so bored throughout most of it. There are positives - The music, acting and plot are all solid, but this does not need to be that long. Its like Snyder wrote a 700 paged book out of the Graphic Novel, then copied it into the script of Watchmen word for word. I know I am probabaly going to get death threats and stuff, but I hope im not alone. Again, I really tried to like this movie. But its flaws just hold it back for me. I just want to know what the general audiences opinion of it is.

apart from some very well chosen music. dijji497

the movie was good but it was far from perfect.

i was very irritated not to have the comic book ending in the directors cut of the movie

Watchmen is one of the greatest books ever written, I'd rate it 100/10.

[QUOTE="dijji497"]apart from some very well chosen music. Brutal_Elitegs

Watchmen is one of the greatest books ever written, I'd rate it 100/10.

yabbicoke

Great movie but the gaphic novel was a lot better

It's been over 15 years since I read the graphic novel, so it wasn't burned in my mind. I thought the movie was borderline great. It's definitely a polarizing film, most people don't just say it's ok, they either love it (me) or hate it.

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Watchmen is one of the greatest books ever written, I'd rate it 100/10.

dijji497

Then I'd rate it a 3/10.

I liked it, it was pretty good.

[QUOTE="dijji497"][QUOTE="yabbicoke"]

Watchmen is one of the greatest books ever written, I'd rate it 100/10.

Then I'd rate it a 3/10.

Movie sucked.

And yeah, the music sucked too. Not that the actual SONGS were bad, it's just that they didn't fit. Aside from the opening credits with "The Times They are A'changing", the movie sucked.

BYW, if the whole movie had had the heart and soul of the opening credit sequence, I probably would have loved the movie. The opening credit sequence was fantastic, most of the stuff with Rorschach and Dr Manhattan wasn't ****ed up TOO much (aside from the ending of course), and the rest of the movie sucked.

A big and obvious complaint is why they didn't get better actors. If nothing else had been changed, the movie would have been at least twice as good as it ended up being if only they'd gotten better actors.

And although this is a minor point, I wanted to murder Zack Snyder every time it appeared...what the ****ing HELL was up with all of those scenes with Richard Nixon? That **** wasn't even in the book, it didn't add anything to the movie, and I wanted to walk out of the damn movie every time I saw Richard Nixon's $1.20 Homer Simpson nose. Every damn second they spent fixating on Richard Damn Nixon's nose could've been spent focusing on the no-name scenery characters in order to give their demise some significance.

I really enjoyed it.

There were definitely a lot of stupid or unnecessary scenes, but overall it had strong acting, solid narrative, and good direction.

I have not seen the movie yet, though I intend to. Loved the book.

From what I've seen of the cast, I have mixed feelings. (the following are my opinion based on what I've heard and seen in trailers and pictures)

Rorschach sounds great and the costume was perfect.

Also, the actor who played Adrian Veidt looks way too young. Compare:

Movie:

Comic:

Movie sucked.

And yeah, the music sucked too. Not that the actual SONGS were bad, it's just that they didn't fit. Aside from the opening credits with "The Times They are A'changing", the movie sucked.

BYW, if the whole movie had had the heart and soul of the opening credit sequence, I probably would have loved the movie. The opening credit sequence was fantastic, most of the stuff with Rorschach and Dr Manhattan wasn't ****ed up TOO much (aside from the ending of course), and the rest of the movie sucked.

A big and obvious complaint is why they didn't get better actors. If nothing else had been changed, the movie would have been at least twice as good as it ended up being if only they'd gotten better actors.

And although this is a minor point, I wanted to murder Zack Snyder every time it appeared...what the ****ing HELL was up with all of those scenes with Richard Nixon? That **** wasn't even in the book, it didn't add anything to the movie, and I wanted to walk out of the damn movie every time I saw Richard Nixon's $1.20 Homer Simpson nose. Every damn second they spent fixating on Richard Damn Nixon's nose could've been spent focusing on the no-name scenery characters in order to give their demise some significance.

MrGeezer

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Movie sucked.

And yeah, the music sucked too. Not that the actual SONGS were bad, it's just that they didn't fit. Aside from the opening credits with "The Times They are A'changing", the movie sucked.

BYW, if the whole movie had had the heart and soul of the opening credit sequence, I probably would have loved the movie. The opening credit sequence was fantastic, most of the stuff with Rorschach and Dr Manhattan wasn't ****ed up TOO much (aside from the ending of course), and the rest of the movie sucked.

A big and obvious complaint is why they didn't get better actors. If nothing else had been changed, the movie would have been at least twice as good as it ended up being if only they'd gotten better actors.

And although this is a minor point, I wanted to murder Zack Snyder every time it appeared...what the ****ing HELL was up with all of those scenes with Richard Nixon? That **** wasn't even in the book, it didn't add anything to the movie, and I wanted to walk out of the damn movie every time I saw Richard Nixon's $1.20 Homer Simpson nose. Every damn second they spent fixating on Richard Damn Nixon's nose could've been spent focusing on the no-name scenery characters in order to give their demise some significance.

PannicAtack

If so, his role was so small as to be not the least bit important.

News broadcasts and random street gossip were INFINITELY more important, and the movie chose to focus on freaking Richard Nixon.

So yeah, my point still stands. **** this movie.

The movie was amazing. The directors cut was even better because it was more representative of the graphic novel and portrays the story how it was meant to be portrayed.

But just as anyone who has read the novel will probably agree... it was infinately better than the movie. Anyone who doesn't like the movie or novel most certainly doesn't get it. It's that way with fight club also. In the novel there is philosophy, social commentary, psychology, and other perspectives. It also provides an alternate U.S. history. It's a must read.. it really is. There's a reason its in TIME magazines 100 best novel list.

It's been over 15 years since I read the graphic novel, so it wasn't burned in my mind. I thought the movie was borderline great. It's definitely a polarizing film, most people don't just say it's ok, they either love it (me) or hate it.

btaylor2404

Actually I am one of those on the fence folks. :)

Despite my great admiration for the graphic novel I don't consider it to be a sacrosanct piece of fiction but I was disappointed with the adaptation even if there were some aspects of the film that I enjoyed. Here's what I wrote about the Director's cut that was recently released.

Personally, I don't think you can make one Watchmen movie and expect it to capture all the aspects of the book. This is exactly why Zack Snyder turned it down when first approached by Warner Bros. I don't why he changed his mind. Should of at least opt for a two-part story.

So considering that, I think he did a good job.

Personally, I don't think you can make one Watchmen movie and expect it to capture all the aspects of the book. This is exactly why Zack Snyder turned it down when first approached by Warner Bros. I don't why he changed his mind. Should of at least opt for a two-part story.

So considering that, I think he did a good job.

Blue-Sky

Probably had something to do with money.

Having said that, I believe Terry Gilliam was at one point involved in a movie adaptation of Watchmen, and flat out turned it down because he didn't think it was possible to do it justice. And Terry Gilliam is a far better director than Zack Snyder.

Anyway, there never should hav been a movie. If it had to be adapted for the screen at all, it should have been a 12 episode miniseries on something like HBO.

It's been over 15 years since I read the graphic novel, so it wasn't burned in my mind. I thought the movie was borderline great. It's definitely a polarizing film, most people don't just say it's ok, they either love it (me) or hate it.

btaylor2404

The movie sucked comparedto the book. The movie was dark and it Wasn't half as cool as the book.

I loved the movie. The acting, with the exception of Silk Spectre II, was just plain amazing. Jeffrey Dean Morgan was breath-taking as the Comedian. The style was great, the new ending worked just fine. With the exception of a few misplaced songs, they did a great job at filming what cannot be filmed.

The graphic novel is obviously the better of the two, but I enjoyed the movie up until the ending where they completely changed it to something stupid.

The graphic novel is obviously the better of the two, but I enjoyed the movie up until the ending where they completely changed it to something stupid.

Raikoh_

How was is it stupid? Hell, it made more sense than...

[spoiler] BAM! Giant freaking squid-alien-monster [/spoiler]

I'm not saying the ending in the book is bad by any means, I just fail to see how the movie's ending was.

I'm not saying the ending in the book is bad by any means, I just fail to see how the movie's ending was.

Dark_Knight6

I'm not saying the ending in the book is bad by any means, I just fail to see how the movie's ending was.

Dark_Knight6

I loved the movie and yes I've read the book. I would still like to see the ending where..

[spoiler] The Super giant squid thing wreaking Havoc in New York [/spoiler]

I think they made a good choice on changing the ending to a more understandable one. Rorschach and Dr Manhattan were incredible :D

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

I'm not saying the ending in the book is bad by any means, I just fail to see how the movie's ending was.

[QUOTE="Raikoh_"]

The graphic novel is obviously the better of the two, but I enjoyed the movie up until the ending where they completely changed it to something stupid.

Dark_Knight6

How was is it stupid? Hell, it made more sense than...

I'm not saying the ending in the book is bad by any means, I just fail to see how the movie's ending was.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

I'm not saying the ending in the book is bad by any means, I just fail to see how the movie's ending was.

[QUOTE="Brutal_Elitegs"][QUOTE="dijji497"]apart from some very well chosen music. dijji497

You can like the movie,but you cant deny thatthe music was used in a stupid, pretty much unintentionally hilarious way.

Anyway the film was good, not great. Like many said before, read the novel.

I watched this over the weekend and had never read the graphic novel/comic book and to be honest I thought it was an adverage film which suffered from horrorable pacing in both edit and pace. Personally I think they could have done the film in an hour and 45 minutes with ease.

I'm not saying the ending in the book is bad by any means, I just fail to see how the movie's ending was.

Dark_Knight6

Here's one of my big problems...we see the opening credits, with dumbass guys in homemade costumes getting shot in front of banks, etc. Zack Snyder actually GOT IT during the opening credits. All the little minor scenes of the Crimebusters in their stupid-ass costumes setting the stage for what was to come. That short little four minute sequence absolutely captured the humanity and frailty of these characters. The fact that there is nothing super about them, they are just every day people with their own personal emotional problems that somehow got them to dress up like morons and prance about like idiots.

Then we cut to the REAL movie and see the violence amped up by 1000, with peoples' limbs getting snapped in half like twigs. And there was no reason for this. If anything, this betrays the point of the comics. If anything, it says that these people ARE special and deserve to be the Watchmen of humanity.

Then we get to the ending. The comics spend the entire series invested us in side characters, these nobodies living everyday life in a world full of fear and ****. It draws them all to a central spot, and then kills them in a big twisted shocking scene of gore, agony and terror.

THAT had to have been repeated. If that is not repeated, the movie fails. Period. You take the humanity and the horror out of the situation, and there is absolutely NO point to it.

So...in the movie, we see scenes from the comic book excessively bloodied up for the sake of being cool. Then we get to the critical moment, the one defining scene where we NEED to see people we've known get gruesomely psychically butchered, with their corpses littering the streets.

And then the movie chickens out. We get a big blue typical CGI fireball, then everyone simply DISAPPEARS. No carnage, no horror, and that doesn't matter anyway since the movie spent so little time establishing ANY of the casualties as REAL people.

Sorry, they ****ed it up. I don't CARE if the "squid" actually "made sense". It didn't actually make sense in the comics either, but that wasn't really the damn point.

[QUOTE="dijji497"]apart from some very well chosen music. Brutal_Elitegs

Times are Changin'; Halleluia; Sound of Silence (Worst part of the movie is when they cut that song off halfway) are all very well placed songs. The only one that I thought really stood out was the one they played when Rorschach and Niteowl are going to Antarctica and even that's growing on me a little.

Movie= 8/10

[QUOTE="Brutal_Elitegs"][QUOTE="dijji497"]apart from some very well chosen music. gamer_10001

Times are Changin'; Halleluia; Sound of Silence (Worst part of the movie is when they cut that song off halfway) are all very well placed songs. The only one that I thought really stood out was the one they played when Rorschach and Niteowl are going to Alaska and even that's growing on me a little.

Movie= 8/10

Also, it's Antarctica, not Alaska.

Here's another of my problems with the ending in the movie...

in the book, Dr Manhattan leaves because he CHOOSES to. Although he has a fondness for human life, he is done with humanity and CHOOSES to leave. Of his own free will.

That is certainly NOT the case in the movie. In the movie, he sort of HAS to leave. He CAN'T stay, after what he "allegedly" did. And he can't tell anyone that he didn't do it without potentially causing humanity to be destroyed. His decision to leave suddenly means NOTHING, since he no longer has any choice in the matter.

[QUOTE="Raikoh_"]

The graphic novel is obviously the better of the two, but I enjoyed the movie up until the ending where they completely changed it to something stupid.

Dark_Knight6

How was is it stupid? Hell, it made more sense than...

BAM! Giant freaking squid-alien-monster

I'm not saying the ending in the book is bad by any means, I just fail to see how the movie's ending was.

I agree with u. The squid worked fine in a graphic novel, but in a movie you can't just spawn Cthulu out of mid air and expect people to accept it.

Halleluia; are all very well placed songs.gamer_10001

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[QUOTE="Brutal_Elitegs"] lolwut? :P Everyone here is going to recommend the graphic novel, as do I. It will fill in the gaps so to speak. Watchmen's visual design was one of its strongest points I thought, but to each his own.PannicAtack

Times are Changin'; Halleluia; Sound of Silence (Worst part of the movie is when they cut that song off halfway) are all very well placed songs. The only one that I thought really stood out was the one they played when Rorschach and Niteowl are going to Alaska and even that's growing on me a little.

Movie= 8/10

Also, it's Antarctica, not Alaska.

Isn't it..

All along the Watchtower by Jimi Hendrix?

Ride of the Valkyries played when Manhattan was poofing Vietcongs

Here's another of my problems with the ending in the movie...

in the book, Dr Manhattan leaves because he CHOOSES to. Although he has a fondness for human life, he is done with humanity and CHOOSES to leave. Of his own free will.

That is certainly NOT the case in the movie. In the movie, he sort of HAS to leave. He CAN'T stay, after what he "allegedly" did. And he can't tell anyone that he didn't do it without potentially causing humanity to be destroyed. His decision to leave suddenly means NOTHING, since he no longer has any choice in the matter.