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#101 Solid_Snake56

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Bottom line....you Americans need universal healthcare...don't believe anything u hear on the news....it works great here in Canada...I have never had to wait for important surgeries and if I am sick I can see a doctor that day...

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#102 FragStains

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Bottom line....you Americans need universal healthcare...don't believe anything u hear on the news....it works great here in Canada...I have never had to wait for important surgeries and if I am sick I can see a doctor that day...
Solid_Snake56

What important surgeries have you had, and how old were you when you had them?

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I just wonder what kind of moron employer would willingly subsidize their employees healthcare when they can have the government take care of it. FragStains

this one still be what it is now. an incentive for workers. of course they will have to offer more than just the bare minimum. Honestly i don't like the fact that health insurance is attached to a job. that means workers are less mobile and also much more at risk in the time they need it most. (when they lose their job)

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#104 FragStains

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[QUOTE="FragStains"]I just wonder what kind of moron employer would willingly subsidize their employees healthcare when they can have the government take care of it. Ontain

this one still be what it is now. an incentive for workers. of course they will have to offer more than just the bare minimum. Honestly i don't like the fact that health insurance is attached to a job. that means workers are less mobile and also much more at risk in the time they need it most. (when they lose their job)

If the government wasn't in a historically large amount of debt, and the healthcare was only for those who truly need it and pay taxes toward it I would be for it.

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[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="FragStains"]I just wonder what kind of moron employer would willingly subsidize their employees healthcare when they can have the government take care of it. FragStains

this one still be what it is now. an incentive for workers. of course they will have to offer more than just the bare minimum. Honestly i don't like the fact that health insurance is attached to a job. that means workers are less mobile and also much more at risk in the time they need it most. (when they lose their job)

If the government wasn't in a historically large amount of debt, and the healthcare was only for those who truly need it and pay taxes toward it I would be for it.

well of course this would mean more taxes (like repeal previous tax cuts for the rich). And something that is unlikely to happen, price controls. because we've seen that competition hasn't controlled the price increases in healthcare.

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Can anyone post a link to an article that tries to objectively explain the Healthcare proposal...google is not producing anything of quality

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#107 FragStains

Member since 2003 • 20668 Posts

Can anyone post a link to an article that tries to objectively explain the Healthcare proposal...google is not producing anything of quality
clayron

Unfortunately even members of Congress couldn't explain the healthcare proposal...but they sure will go right ahead and sign it.

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Can anyone post a link to an article that tries to objectively explain the Healthcare proposal...google is not producing anything of quality
clayron

one of the things that Obama tried to do was not fill in all the details and have Congress do that. The administration set some goals that the Congress plan would have to fulfill. of course now Obama is trying to get the reins back because it was stalled in the Congress.

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[QUOTE="clayron"]
Can anyone post a link to an article that tries to objectively explain the Healthcare proposal...google is not producing anything of quality
FragStains

Unfortunately even members of Congress couldn't explain the healthcare proposal...but they sure will go right ahead and sign it.

Thats unfortunate. Before I take a pro- or con- stance on the healthcare reform proposal I would like to have a profound knowledge of what it intends to offer. I understand that it is a fairly expensive plan, even more so since our gov't have use debt as a means to fight the recession. I also understand that the Democrats are the primary supporters of it, apparently Obama is receiving so much opposition that Democrats are suggesting using a strong-arm one party push to get its approval, something I do not agree with. But, what I do not understand are the specifics of it: who benefits? If there are beneficiaries then most likely someone is going to be short-changed, who are they? How will it affect short? Long run? How will it be managed? How will it be reinforced? What the timetable until it is operating efficently? Or effectively. I think all of these basic questions need be answered before a pro- or con- stance can be taken.

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#110 DucksBrains

Member since 2007 • 1146 Posts

[QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="Ontain"] this one still be what it is now. an incentive for workers. of course they will have to offer more than just the bare minimum. Honestly i don't like the fact that health insurance is attached to a job. that means workers are less mobile and also much more at risk in the time they need it most. (when they lose their job)Ontain

If the government wasn't in a historically large amount of debt, and the healthcare was only for those who truly need it and pay taxes toward it I would be for it.

well of course this would mean more taxes (like repeal previous tax cuts for the rich). And something that is unlikely to happen, price controls. because we've seen that competition hasn't controlled the price increases in healthcare.

Competition can't do diddly squat to lower the expenses when it's the government of all things that is causing the excessive prices.

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#111 DivergeUnify

Member since 2007 • 15150 Posts

[QUOTE="SirWander"]

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]

> Pg 50 Section 152 - HealthCare will be provided to ALL non-US
> c itizens, illegal or otherwise!

There is so much wrong with this plan. Some of the ones i bolded and highlight I feel are the worst. But at the end its all pretty much a big highlight list of just absolute garbage.

Source? Link? I'm not going to believe a thing you say. And yeah helping people in need is sooooooooo evil.

No one is saying it's evil, but these illegals possibly be given priority over regular US citizens, illegals who contribute nothing to the system, but benefit from it while people who actually do contribute to it might get shafted is a hilarious proposition that so many people on gamespot are fine with.

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They pay sales tax. Thats something.Tauruslink

And most of them work crap jobs for crap wages that allow US citizens to profit more easily. That's something too. Like all situations, there are pros and cons to illegal immigration, even from the self-centred point of view. Most people who complain about them wouldn't mind exploiting their cheap labor, but they sure as heck don't want to give anything back.

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#113 ferrari2001

Member since 2008 • 17772 Posts

Your right we shouldn't pass this plan. In my opinion we have become wimps. Everything needs to be given to us, can do not, nor have to work for anything anymore. I think we should come up with a plan that would required everyone receiving it to work for it. Either it comes out of a pay check a little, or they have to do some sort of service in order to earn their health care plan. It's easy, it's affordable, and we can actually earn something instead of being a smooch and burden on everyone else.

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#114 DivergeUnify

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Your right we shouldn't pass this plan. In my opinion we have become wimps. Everything needs to be given to us, can do not, nor have to work for anything anymore. I think we should come up with a plan that would required everyone receiving it to work for it. Either it comes out of a pay check a little, or they have to do some sort of service in order to earn their health care plan. It's easy, it's affordable, and we can actually earn something instead of being a smooch and burden on everyone else. ferrari2001

Yeah... you basically agree with universal healthcare being funded through increased taxes.

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#115 ferrari2001

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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]Your right we shouldn't pass this plan. In my opinion we have become wimps. Everything needs to be given to us, can do not, nor have to work for anything anymore. I think we should come up with a plan that would required everyone receiving it to work for it. Either it comes out of a pay check a little, or they have to do some sort of service in order to earn their health care plan. It's easy, it's affordable, and we can actually earn something instead of being a smooch and burden on everyone else. DivergeUnify

Yeah... you basically agree with universal healthcare being funded through increased taxes.

I think we should first start by strengthening the private sector, and make healthcare cheap by letting people buy across state lines, etc, and make it more competitive, that way the prices will drop. I then think we should look at companies who make a lot of money, ex. Walmart, Microsoft, etc, etc, and make sure those companies are providing healthcare for all employees. We then need to provide a system of health care for those people who don't have jobs and can't afford it. But I don't want to just give it to them. We have become to dependent on things just being handed to us. We need a way that those people without jobs can earn their health care benefits. Once all this is done I don't think there will be to many people who no longer have health care, and the spending would be fairly cheap for the government, taxes need to hardly be raised if they need to be raised at all.

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#116 chessmaster1989

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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]Your right we shouldn't pass this plan. In my opinion we have become wimps. Everything needs to be given to us, can do not, nor have to work for anything anymore. I think we should come up with a plan that would required everyone receiving it to work for it. Either it comes out of a pay check a little, or they have to do some sort of service in order to earn their health care plan. It's easy, it's affordable, and we can actually earn something instead of being a smooch and burden on everyone else. DivergeUnify

Yeah... you basically agree with universal healthcare being funded through increased taxes.

Yeah, sounds like it. :P

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#117 DivergeUnify

Member since 2007 • 15150 Posts

Bottom line....you Americans need universal healthcare...don't believe anything u hear on the news....it works great here in Canada...I have never had to wait for important surgeries and if I am sick I can see a doctor that day...
Solid_Snake56

Yeah, I'll ignore everything bad I've heard about the UNITED STATES Healthcare bill being proposed, and assume it'll turn out great because Solid_Snake56 says the one in Canada is great.

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#118 chessmaster1989

Member since 2008 • 30203 Posts

[QUOTE="Solid_Snake56"]
Bottom line....you Americans need universal healthcare...don't believe anything u hear on the news....it works great here in Canada...I have never had to wait for important surgeries and if I am sick I can see a doctor that day...
DivergeUnify

Yeah, I'll ignore everything bad I've heard about the UNITED STATES Healthcare bill being proposed, and assume it'll turn out great because Solid_Snake56 says the one in Canada is great.

Sounds like a good idea! :D

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