Weird religions you've heard of

[QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"]Catholicism. They eat their god and drink his blood.Snipes_2

To believe in Christianity, you would have to assume that God watched humans have a life expectancy of around 25 years, infant mortality of around 25%, and face near extinction for around 96,000 years before he decided to intervene. Not only that but he didnt intervene in a literate and civilized are like China. No, he thinks the best place to set up shop is in the backwards, illiterate, bronze age middle east...wolverine4262

If you're going to believe that God created the universe from nothing, guided the natural processes ofeverything in such a way as to setup theEarth in a way he saw fit,sent his "Son" who was also himself to our planet, died, and somehow assumed responsibility for all humanity's "sin" through all of history... What you describe above seems quite acceptable.

[QUOTE="GTbiking4life"]

The Bible doesn't describe the age of the Earth though.

Palantas

There is a geneology, in the Gospel of John, I think, which traces Christ's lineage back to Adam. Even if you figure vast ages for all the people listed, you can't get much over 10,000 years. Subtract four days from that, and you have the age of the Earth.

This is incorrect. There are many places in the Bible we don't know how long it has been. Not to mention if we go back to Genesis - the Hebrew word used was 'Yom' which actually has a wide variety of meanings such as period. There are much more to this though and I could go on for pages. The fact is though that the Bible makes absolutely no claim to how old the Earth really is.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"]Catholicism. They eat their god and drink his blood.Darth-Caedus

I don't really like philosophical debates. Sorry, bro. Animatronic64

Then you should avoid arguments involving religion. It's impossible to discuss more than one religion without philosophy, as you'll have no common language to speak.

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

As if Scientology was not bad enough, the Jedi Church?!

GHlegend77

Too late to notice it's existence, or too late for discussion? I just found out about this, so let me try to get over my shock and disbelief in my own time...it may take a while.

The majority of Humanity is a lost cause.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Animatronic64"] Is that why Adam supposedly lived six thousand years ago? Which is BS too, there was humans long before 6 thousand years. Snipes_2

[QUOTE="GHlegend77"][QUOTE="Robbler"]

As if Scientology was not bad enough, the Jedi Church?!

Robbler

Too late to notice it's existence, or too late for discussion? I just found out about this, so let me try to get over my shock and disbelief in my own time...it may take a while.

The majority of Humanity is a lost cause.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]To believe in Christianity, you would have to assume that God watched humans have a life expectancy of around 25 years, infant mortality of around 25%, and face near extinction for around 96,000 years before he decided to intervene. Not only that but he didnt intervene in a literate and civilized are like China. No, he thinks the best place to set up shop is in the backwards, illiterate, bronze age middle east...Palantas

If you're going to believe that God created the universe from nothing, guided the natural processes ofeverything in such a way as to setup theEarth in a way he saw fit,sent his "Son" who was also himself to our planet, died, and somehow assumed responsibility for all humanity's "sin" through all of history... What you describe above seems quite acceptable.

[QUOTE="GTbiking4life"]

[QUOTE="Animatronic64"] That entirely depends on the specifics we are talking about. There are many things that are universally correct. For example, we can say that the Bible describes the age of the Earth incorrectly. In this case, our empirical evidence can be carbon dating, it is observable, and reliable information. But from what I got out of your post, you're asking me how we determine that a fact is correct. To be honest, I have no idea what you're talking about anymore.

Animatronic64

The Bible doesn't describe the age of the Earth though.

There are many gaps in the scriptures where it doesn't say how long it has been. The Bible makes no indication how old the Earth is. It's as simple as that.

[QUOTE="Animatronic64"][QUOTE="GTbiking4life"]

The Bible doesn't describe the age of the Earth though.

GTbiking4life

There are many gaps in the scriptures where it doesn't say how long it has been. The Bible makes no indication how old the Earth is. It's as simple as that.

[QUOTE="I"]

There is a geneology, in the Gospel of John, I think, which traces Christ's lineage back to Adam. Even if you figure vast ages for all the people listed, you can't get much over 10,000 years. Subtract four days from that, and you have the age of the Earth.

GTbiking4life

This is incorrect. There are many places in the Bible we don't know how long it has been. Not to mention if we go back to Genesis - the Hebrew word used was 'Yom' which actually has a wide variety of meanings such as period. There are much more to this though and I could go on for pages. The fact is though that the Bible makes absolutely no claim to how old the Earth really is.

You're right. I was incorrect. It's in Luke. :P

The methodology I described is how a whole host of Christian thinkers come up with their age figures. I think Young Earth Creationism is embarassing, so I don't buy this at all.

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

[QUOTE="GHlegend77"] Too late, bro.GHlegend77

Too late to notice it's existence, or too late for discussion? I just found out about this, so let me try to get over my shock and disbelief in my own time...it may take a while.

The majority of Humanity is a lost cause.

Sorry, never read it. I just saw the title and intervened. My bad.

[QUOTE="GTbiking4life"]

[QUOTE="Animatronic64"] Is that why Adam supposedly lived six thousand years ago? Which is BS too, there was humans long before 6 thousand years. Animatronic64

There are many gaps in the scriptures where it doesn't say how long it has been. The Bible makes no indication how old the Earth is. It's as simple as that.

Please do - send me a PM and we can discuss later. :) Have a good night - it's late here as well.

[QUOTE="GTbiking4life"]

[QUOTE="I"]

There is a geneology, in the Gospel of John, I think, which traces Christ's lineage back to Adam. Even if you figure vast ages for all the people listed, you can't get much over 10,000 years. Subtract four days from that, and you have the age of the Earth.

Palantas

This is incorrect. There are many places in the Bible we don't know how long it has been. Not to mention if we go back to Genesis - the Hebrew word used was 'Yom' which actually has a wide variety of meanings such as period. There are much more to this though and I could go on for pages. The fact is though that the Bible makes absolutely no claim to how old the Earth really is.

You're right. I was incorrect. It's in Luke. :P

The methodology I described is how a whole host of Christian thinkers come up with their age figures. I think Young Earth Creationism is embarassing, so I don't buy this at all.

Not sure what you are talking about - I'm not a Young Earth Creationist. I believe in God and Jesus Christ but I also believe the Earth is much older.

Jesus is not considered a God. He is the Son of God...Snipes_2

We Baptists do believe that Jesus Christ is God. Jehovah, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit; i.e. the Holy Trinity.

For some reason I'd always assumed Catholics believed that as well...

Well, I could tear apart something else the Bible says that simple isn't true.Animatronic64

Which won't mean anything, since you refuse to learn the tools necessary to understand points of view other than your own...which is exactly what many religious people do, ironically.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Jesus is not considered a God. He is the Son of God...Nagru

We Baptists do believe that Jesus Christ is God. Jehovah, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit; i.e. the Holy Trinity.

For some reason I'd always assumed Catholics believed that as well...

"Catholics believe in the Nicene Creed, and therefore believe in one God who exists as three persons ("person" in this usage means "an individual reality," not a human being). Essentially Catholics believe the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all God, one in substance and will, but distinct in some way, but not divided. In addition to an intellectual understanding of the Trinity, we are to develop a relationship with the Triune God through prayer and worship. The Trinity is not tritheism (the belief in three gods), but rather a dynamic monotheism."

Not sure what you are talking about - I'm not a Young Earth Creationist. I believe in God and Jesus Christ but I also believe the Earth is much older.

GTbiking4life

You say you don't know what I'm talking about, Young Earth Creationism. Then you go on to make statements which would indicate that you know what YEC is. I'm confused.

Yeah, Catholics believe in the Holy Trinity. Just not that Jesus is Literally God, He is the Son of God, Half Man etc..Snipes_2

Huh, interesting. Good to know :)

We Baptists do believe that Jesus Christ is God. Jehovah, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit; i.e. the Holy Trinity.

For some reason I'd always assumed Catholics believed that as well...

Nagru

I'd hope so, seeing as the Catholic Church invented the concept, or at least codified it.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Yeah, Catholics believe in the Holy Trinity. Just not that Jesus is Literally God, He is the Son of God, Half Man etc..Nagru

Huh, interesting. Good to know :)

I don't want to misinform you so, Here's a link explaining it. :)

http://www.ancient-future.net/jesuschrist.html

My religion has a very interesting take on the "trinity" (We call it the Godhead for starters.) but now is neither the time or place to turn this into a "Mormons are of teh devil" topic.

I'm not going to lie, all religions are strange whether you believe them or not, that's simply how things are. Heck, everything is strange when you think about it. I mean, friggin magnets. How do they work?

[QUOTE="GTbiking4life"]

Not sure what you are talking about - I'm not a Young Earth Creationist. I believe in God and Jesus Christ but I also believe the Earth is much older.

Palantas

You say you don't know what I'm talking about, Young Earth Creationism. Then you go on to make statements which would indicate that you know what YEC is. I'm confused.

I'm only describing why the Bible does not mention or even indicate how old the Earth is. That is why I don't understand your last comment. YEC is different from what I was trying to get at. It doesn't matter though. I have read about the YEC and what they use to mention the Earth is only 6000 years old. I just don't believe that anyone can use the Bible to find out how old the Earth is. Even by using the genealogy and age ranges, there are so many gaps, it seems impossible, at least to me to find out how old the Earth is, not to mention what the Hebrew word 'Yom' means. That's just my take on the subject anyway. I'm just a simple Christian who believes the Earth is much older than 6000 years.

Also, if they were writing the Word of God, then wouldnt he have told them of all the amazing stuff he did for humanity when they were on the brink of extinction.

wolverine4262

That's an easy answer: No, because God didn't.

You're arguing that a supposedly infallible book may not be infallible, because it could have had different content. To a person who believes in the Bible, that argument is completely absurd.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]

Also, if they were writing the Word of God, then wouldnt he have told them of all the amazing stuff he did for humanity when they were on the brink of extinction.

Palantas

That's an easy answer: No, because God didn't.

You're arguing that a supposedly infallible book may not be infallible, because it could have had different content. To a person who believes in the Bible, that argument is completely absurd.

That's an easy answer: No, because God didn't.

You're arguing that a supposedly infallible book may not be infallible, because it could have had different content. To a person who believes in the Bible, that argument is completely absurd.

Palantas

What is there to believe though? The Bible is a recollection of vague thoughts written down in letters and books. The letters and books that "qualified" were put in the final Bible. What Jesus apparently said might and might not be what he actually said. To be honest, to read from the Bible and believe the quotes or what happened and put that down as fact is quite inane.GHlegend77

At a very basic level, it's something someone just chooses to believe in, just because. Some people believe all of it literally; others don't. Everyone has things they choose to believe in, just because. It's unavoidable, unless you're a radical sceptic, which is itself one thing you believe in.

What is so Repulsive about it?Snipes_2

[QUOTE="GHlegend77"]What is there to believe though? The Bible is a recollection of vague thoughts written down in letters and books. The letters and books that "qualified" were put in the final Bible. What Jesus apparently said might and might not be what he actually said. To be honest, to read from the Bible and believe the quotes or what happened and put that down as fact is quite inane.Palantas

At a very basic level, it's something someone just chooses to believe in, just because. Some people believe all of it literally; others don't. Everyone has things they choose to believe in, just because. It's unavoidable, unless you're a radical sceptic, which is itself one thing you believe in.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] What is so Repulsive about it?wolverine4262

Irrelevant? How so? It was a test that Abraham passed. As well as a parallel to God's sacrifice. God had to sacrifice his son as well. He didn't get Abraham's ending.