Weird religions you've heard of

Im saying it should have had different content. The Bible begins at the beginning of human history, or so it claims.

wolverine4262

It seemed to me you were intending your comments as some sort of persuasive argument. You're saying it should have had different content...just to say so?

There are any number ways to interpret the Gensis story. When discussing the Bible with a Christian who isn't a Biblical literalist, you're going to have an extraordinarily difficult time nailing down some particular event that you think conflicts with academic history, and "proving" the Bible wrong. You'll have an even tougher time with Biblical literalists, but for different reasons: They'll just say the academics are wrong.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] What is so Repulsive about it?wolverine4262

Irrelevant? How so? It was a test that Abraham passed. As well as a parallel to God's sacrifice. God had to sacrifice his son as well. He didn't get Abraham's ending.

Almighty_Ganon

[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]Well, I could tear apart something else the Bible says that simple isn't true.Palantas

Which won't mean anything, since you refuse to learn the tools necessary to understand points of view other than your own...which is exactly what many religious people do, ironically.

[QUOTE="Almighty_Ganon"]Irrelevant? How so? It was a test that Abraham passed. As well as a parallel to God's sacrifice. God had to sacrifice his son as well. He didn't get Abraham's ending.

wolverine4262

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]

Im saying it should have had different content. The Bible begins at the beginning of human history, or so it claims.

Palantas

It seemed to me you were intending your comments as some sort of persuasive argument. You're saying it should have had different content...just to say so?

There are any number ways to interpret the Gensis story. When discussing the Bible with a Christian who isn't a Biblical literalist, you're going to have an extraordinarily difficult time nailing down some particular event that you think conflicts with academic history, and "proving" the Bible wrong. You'll have an even tougher time with Biblical literalists, but for different reasons: They'll just say the academics are wrong.

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[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]

Im saying it should have had different content. The Bible begins at the beginning of human history, or so it claims.

wolverine4262

It seemed to me you were intending your comments as some sort of persuasive argument. You're saying it should have had different content...just to say so?

There are any number ways to interpret the Gensis story. When discussing the Bible with a Christian who isn't a Biblical literalist, you're going to have an extraordinarily difficult time nailing down some particular event that you think conflicts with academic history, and "proving" the Bible wrong. You'll have an even tougher time with Biblical literalists, but for different reasons: They'll just say the academics are wrong.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]

[QUOTE="Almighty_Ganon"]Irrelevant? How so? It was a test that Abraham passed. As well as a parallel to God's sacrifice. God had to sacrifice his son as well. He didn't get Abraham's ending.

Snipes_2

Scientology.

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] He isn't GOD though, Like the previous poster stated. Snipes_2

Uh... isn't Jesus referred to as "God the Son"?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] What is so Repulsive about it?wolverine4262

Still arguing particulars. First, God telling Abraham to kill his son isn't even a good example if you want to pick at the morality of the Bible. How about Moses using terrorism to get the Israelites out of Egypt? How about the Israelites engaging in ethnic cleansing in Canaan? How about God nuking two cities? You've heard of Sodom and Gomorrah, right?

Anyway, like other examples mentioned in this thread, there's a simple answer for a Christian fundamentalist to these questions: If God said to do it, it was morally correct. If a person believes God is the ultimate source of morality, then it is impossible to demonstrate immorality on the part of an action God ordered or did himself. See, you're applying your viewpoint to the situation; you believe morality comes from a source other than God, so these are valid questions to you.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"] No, what it is saying is that if it is in the name of God, it is okay to kill your son.

wolverine4262

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"] He is one of the gods of Christianity. That post was not referring to Yahweh. (Despite its claims, I don't see Christianity as a monothestic religion, at the very least it has two gods.) chessmaster1989

Uh... isn't Jesus referred to as "God the Son"?

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] What is so Repulsive about it?Palantas

Still arguing particulars. First, God telling Abraham to kill his son isn't even a good example if you want to pick at the morality of the Bible. How about Moses using terrorism to get the Israelites out of Egypt? How about the Israelites engaging in ethnic cleansing in Canaan? How about God nuking two cities? You've heard of Sodom and Gomorrah, right?

Anyway, like other examples mentioned in this thread, there's a simple answer for a Christian fundamentalist to these questions: If God said to do it, it was morally correct. If a person believes God is the ultimate source of morality, then it is impossible to demonstrate immorality on the part of an action God ordered or did himself. See, you're applying your viewpoint to the situation; you believe morality comes from a source other than God, so these are valid questions to you.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"] He is one of the gods of Christianity. That post was not referring to Yahweh. (Despite its claims, I don't see Christianity as a monothestic religion, at the very least it has two gods.) chessmaster1989

Uh... isn't Jesus referred to as "God the Son"?

He didn't though...And God would not have let him. Hence, why Abraham didn't kill his Son.

Snipes_2

When I saw the length of this thread I knew someone brought up christianity... and I flash to the last page and see that I was correct. Anyway I'd say atheism was the weirdest religion I've encountered. Because strangely enough they cling to the belief that there is no higher power regardless of the lack of evidence supporting that belief. Sounds like a religion HUH??

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]He didn't though...And God would not have let him. Hence, why Abraham didn't kill his Son.

wolverine4262

When I saw the length of this thread I knew someone brought up christianity... and I flash to the last page and see that I was correct. Anyway I'd say atheism was the weirdest religion I've encountered. Because strangely enough they cling to the belief that there is no higher power regardless of the lack of evidence supporting that belief. Sounds like a religion HUH??

Espada12

Madonna's religion--Kabbalah.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]He didn't though...And God would not have let him. Hence, why Abraham didn't kill his Son.

Snipes_2

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Jesus is not considered a God. He is the Son of God...Snipes_2

Uh... isn't Jesus referred to as "God the Son"?

So what part of "God the Son" makes him not a god? :?

I'm well aware of their point of view, just I don't agree with it. And what do you do again? All you do is ask questions from a philosophical mindset. Can't you see my "point of view"? All I said was that atheists do not believe in God because there is a lack of empirical evidence, and lot's of mythology surrounding the concept of religion, and then you brought this philosophical crap up, which doesn't even pertain to the subject, or even what I was saying. Sir, you have diluted this discussion to the point of nonrecognition. You seem to dwell in circular reasoning.

Animatronic64

I know what yous said, and I already pointed out the problems with it, which you said you didn't understand. If you're having a discussion about anything beyond simple statement of facts--"This chair is brown"--then you're having a philosophical discussion whether you like it or not. You're trying to criticize other peoples' thinking without even trying to understand how to do so. You are engaged in philosophy too, just ****ty philosophy.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Uh... isn't Jesus referred to as "God the Son"?

chessmaster1989

So what part of "God the Son" makes him not a god? :?

Hope that answers the question. What I was saying is...HE is not God the Father...

i find it funny that those who disagree that atheism is a belief system are the same ones that feel communism is the only way to prosperity. as a middle man this is funny surrealnumber5

I don't think atheism is a religion and I don't think communism is a way to prosperity...

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

When I saw the length of this thread I knew someone brought up christianity... and I flash to the last page and see that I was correct. Anyway I'd say atheism was the weirdest religion I've encountered. Because strangely enough they cling to the belief that there is no higher power regardless of the lack of evidence supporting that belief. Sounds like a religion HUH??

Animatronic64

A lack of belief in something is a belief it doesn't exist.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] ...And?Snipes_2

So what part of "God the Son" makes him not a god? :?

Hope that answers the question. What I was saying is...HE is not God the Father...

And this makes zero sense to me...

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"] All that matters is that he was willing to for God...

wolverine4262

and this is why religion scares me...EDIT: Also, iwasnt initially going to argue any of this. I simply said when asked a question about God intervening something about Abraham. Then I said the story was disgusting.. Now we are here.

wolverine4262

I think when you describe an element of someone's holy book as "disgusting," you share a fair amount of blame for starting an argument.

If someone didn't want to get into particulars with you, they'd ask you qusetions like: What do you believe is the source of morality? Does morality exist? How do you know your source of morality is superior to God?

But God wouldn't have let him do it.

Snipes_2

I've yet to hear of a normal religion

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] But God wouldn't have let him do it.

wolverine4262

You know, I've garnered a lot of respect for you in this thread. Well done.GHlegend77

Well thank you. I'm glad my first forway into religion-on-OT hasn't been an unmitigated disaster, yet.

I think when you describe an element of someone's holy book as "disgusting," you share a fair amount of blame for starting an argument.

If someone didn't want to get into particulars with you, they'd ask you qusetions like: What do you believe is the source of morality? Does morality exist? How do you know your source of morality is superior to God?

Palantas

God wanted to Test Him. He wouldn't have let him kill His son. If Abraham walked away his Son would have lived either way. Snipes_2

And this makes zero sense to me...

chessmaster1989

I dunno if this will help, but...

The Nicean Creed was developed in response to the Arian heresy. Arius was a priest who believed that Christ had a finite beginning in time, and was not of the same substance of God. This caused quite a controversy in the Church, because:

1. If Christ had a non-earthly beginning, then...
2. Christ could change, and therefore...
3. Christ had the capacity to be evil.

The Roman emperor called together a big conference of church officials to figure this out, and they came up with what's now known as the Trinity. God exists in three persons, or personalities, which are separate, infinite, equal, and united. The big thing was that Christ was made of the same "stuff" as God.

Cthulhuism, If you have not heard of Cthulhu it is essentially a giant octopus who lives under the ocean. The people who believe in it say he will rise out of the ocean one day and devour the whole world, starting with unbelievers so it dosent even save them. :|

Cthulhuism, If you have not heard of Cthulhu it is essentially a giant octopus who lives under the ocean. The people who believe in it say he will rise out of the ocean one day and devour the whole world, starting with unbelievers so it dosent even save them. :|

disharmonized

[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]

I'm well aware of their point of view, just I don't agree with it. And what do you do again? All you do is ask questions from a philosophical mindset. Can't you see my "point of view"? All I said was that atheists do not believe in God because there is a lack of empirical evidence, and lot's of mythology surrounding the concept of religion, and then you brought this philosophical crap up, which doesn't even pertain to the subject, or even what I was saying. Sir, you have diluted this discussion to the point of nonrecognition. You seem to dwell in circular reasoning.

Palantas

I know what yous said, and I already pointed out the problems with it, which you said you didn't understand.If you're having a discussion about anything beyond simple statement of facts--"This chair is brown"--then you're having a philosophical discussion whether you like it or not. You're trying to criticize other peoples' thinking without even trying to understand how to do so. You are engaged in philosophy too, just ****ty philosophy.

[QUOTE="disharmonized"]

Cthulhuism, If you have not heard of Cthulhu it is essentially a giant octopus who lives under the ocean. The people who believe in it say he will rise out of the ocean one day and devour the whole world, starting with unbelievers so it dosent even save them. :|

Snipes_2