Western culture is successful because of Greek foundations, not Christianity.

I can't enter a poll at this time,maybe if this thread is around tomorrow I can.

Many christians make the argument that science wouldnt be as far as it is today without christianity. Science and Empiricism was nearly knocked out due to the dark age, and thankfully brought back during the renaissance.

I think you can argue that Islam had a more profound, and important impact upon Science than Christianity ever has.

But I find my viewpoint to be true because of guys like Aristotle, Eratosthenes (discovered the earth was round, prechristian).

History indicates that science took a step back(in europe) once christianity got ahold of the west.

fortunately, once the renaissance came around, western culture became more proscience despite christianity

What are your opinions? Do you think the Greeks sux0rz? Do you agree with me? Do you hate me? Do you partially agree?

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I think there is a lot of misunderstanding of the term "dark ages"....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I think there is a lot of misunderstanding of the term "dark ages"....Democratik

[QUOTE="Democratik"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I think there is a lot of misunderstanding of the term "dark ages"....LJS9502_basic

I'd have to agree.

Christianity once said the Earth was flat, and kept anyone from proving this wrong (Galileo). This attitude towards science and observable evidence alone would say something about that.

I wonder why Christianity is hated by so many people and why people are always trying to belittle it..:|..why not pick on the Ottomans?..

I wonder why Christianity is hated by so many people and why people are always trying to belittle it..:|..why not pick on the Ottomans?..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

I wonder why Christianity is hated by so many people and why people are always trying to belittle it..:|..why not pick on the Ottomans?..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

The Roman empire was also a big contributer to the foundations of western culture.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I wonder why Christianity is hated by so many people and why people are always trying to belittle it..:|..why not pick on the Ottomans?..

Sajedene

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I wonder why Christianity is hated by so many people and why people are always trying to belittle it..:|..why not pick on the Ottomans?..

Sajedene

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I wonder why Christianity is hated by so many people and why people are always trying to belittle it..:|..why not pick on the Ottomans?..

Sajedene

Makes sense..:|

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I wonder why Christianity is hated by so many people and why people are always trying to belittle it..:|..why not pick on the Ottomans?..

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I wonder why Christianity is hated by so many people and why people are always trying to belittle it..:|..why not pick on the Ottomans?..

Sajedene

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I wonder why Christianity is hated by so many people and why people are always trying to belittle it..:|..why not pick on the Ottomans?..

unholymight

Yes it does..all the time...hence, System Wars..

The Roman empire was also a big contributer to the foundations of western culture.

redstorm72

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I wonder why Christianity is hated by so many people and why people are always trying to belittle it..:|..why not pick on the Ottomans?..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Makes sense..:|

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"] It makes people feel better to belittle that that they do not agree with so as to assure themselves they made the right choice (hoping that they did). This goes for everyone.unholymight

Makes sense..:|

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Sajedene"] It makes people feel better to belittle that that they do not agree with so as to assure themselves they made the right choice (hoping that they did). This goes for everyone.Xx_Hopeless_xX

Yes it does..all the time...hence, System Wars..

I wonder why Christianity is hated by so many people and why people are always trying to belittle it..:|..why not pick on the Ottomans?..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"] It makes people feel better to belittle that that they do not agree with so as to assure themselves they made the right choice (hoping that they did). This goes for everyone.unholymight

Makes sense..:|

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Makes sense..:|

Democratik

Throw in with me?!?! This should be interesting, that is if Sajedene wants to respond. I'm not even sure if she takes this seriously.

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Makes sense..:|

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="unholymight"] No. If it were that simple, people would be arguing with each other about their favourite video game (which is also a belief), and this does not occur.unholymight

Yes it does..all the time...hence, System Wars..

Ever been to the SW forums?...i'm sure people there argue just as heatedly about PS3 and X-box..

Favoring a religion..you mean like catering to them..?

But Greek values of democracy were tied in with state run slavery. It was only until Christianity's influence that slavery was abolished. You can talk about serfdom all you want, but it still isn't the same principal as slavery.Stumpt25

the first country to abolish slavery was England and at the time it was aprotestant countryand it was because their ruler (forgot if the ruler was a king or a queen at the time) thought it was unfair, so christianity had nothing to do with it.

[QUOTE="Stumpt25"]But Greek values of democracy were tied in with state run slavery. It was only until Christianity's influence that slavery was abolished. You can talk about serfdom all you want, but it still isn't the same principal as slavery.unholymight

The movement to abolish slavery in the USA was largely based on Christian ideals. For example, the Republican Party was founded by anti-slavery activists in the 1850s and used churches as networks to gain and influence voters. Slavery was considered a sin. Of course, there were hypocritical Christians in the 1800s too.

[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I wonder why Christianity is hated by so many people and why people are always trying to belittle it..:|..why not pick on the Ottomans?..

Democratik

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Yes it does..all the time...hence, System Wars..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Ever been to the SW forums?...i'm sure people there argue just as heatedly about PS3 and X-box..

Favoring a religion..you mean like catering to them..?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="unholymight"] No it doesn't. That was an unsuccessful and somewhat naive attempt to summarize something by looking at only one aspect of it.Democratik

[QUOTE="Democratik"][QUOTE="Sajedene"] It makes people feel better to belittle that that they do not agree with so as to assure themselves they made the right choice (hoping that they did). This goes for everyone.Sajedene

Most cultures played a role in the expansion of the west...because western thinkers traveled to other countries, observed their laws etc...and wrote about it..

I wonder why Christianity is hated by so many people and why people are always trying to belittle it..:|..why not pick on the Ottomans?..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Its quite en vogue to pick on Christianity out of all mainstream religions, partially because it's the closest to home in the Western world and wields the greatest power and influence.

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Stumpt25"]But Greek values of democracy were tied in with state run slavery. It was only until Christianity's influence that slavery was abolished. You can talk about serfdom all you want, but it still isn't the same principal as slavery.VigilanteArtist

The movement to abolish slavery was largely based on Christian ideals. For example, the Republican Party was founded by anti-slavery activists in the 1850s and used churches as networks to gain and influence voters. Slavery was considered a sin. Of course, there were hypocritical Christians in the 1800s too.

[QUOTE="Democratik"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Those who are secure in their own beliefs do not belittle the beliefs of others....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="VigilanteArtist"]

[QUOTE="unholymight"] So, during the 1800s in America, Christianity didn't exist?unholymight

The movement to abolish slavery was largely based on Christian ideals. For example, the Republican Party was founded by anti-slavery activists in the 1850s and used churches as networks to gain and influence voters. Slavery was considered a sin. Of course, there were hypocritical Christians in the 1800s too.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="unholymight"] Not to the extent at which religion is debated. Ever wonder why favouring a religion is politically incorrect yet favouring a video game is not nearly as politically incorrect?unholymight

Ever been to the SW forums?...i'm sure people there argue just as heatedly about PS3 and X-box..

Favoring a religion..you mean like catering to them..?

Ok, so i guess...hmm...catering tomuslims in the USA as a means of placating them would be politically incorrect?..

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Democratik"] When you say belittle, do you mean talk down to or do you mean debate? I know what belittle means,but I often see people misuse the word, and im just asking for clarification

Democratik

[QUOTE="VigilanteArtist"]

[QUOTE="unholymight"] So, during the 1800s in America, Christianity didn't exist?unholymight

The movement to abolish slavery was largely based on Christian ideals. For example, the Republican Party was founded by anti-slavery activists in the 1850s and used churches as networks to gain and influence voters. Slavery was considered a sin. Of course, there were hypocritical Christians in the 1800s too.

[QUOTE="Democratik"][QUOTE="unholymight"] So, during the 1800s in America, Christianity didn't exist?unholymight

Quakers formed the first American anti-slavery society and many many abolitionists were pious Christians who believed slavery to be against God. Christianity's role in American abolitionism is significant and well-established.

[QUOTE="VigilanteArtist"]

[QUOTE="unholymight"] So, during the 1800s in America, Christianity didn't exist?unholymight

The movement to abolish slavery was largely based on Christian ideals. For example, the Republican Party was founded by anti-slavery activists in the 1850s and used churches as networks to gain and influence voters. Slavery was considered a sin. Of course, there were hypocritical Christians in the 1800s too.

Actually the original slaves were Polytheists (Slavs)...so really it has nothing to do with it forming under "Christianity's watch"..because they were enslaved by the Muslims in the East as well..

Correction: The word "Slave" comes from "Slav"..but Romans also had slaves and they weren't necessarily Christian..

[QUOTE="Democratik"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I mean exactly belittle.:|

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="VigilanteArtist"]

The movement to abolish slavery was largely based on Christian ideals. For example, the Republican Party was founded by anti-slavery activists in the 1850s and used churches as networks to gain and influence voters. Slavery was considered a sin. Of course, there were hypocritical Christians in the 1800s too.

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Actually the original slaves were Polytheists (Slavs)...so really it has nothing to do with it forming under "Christianity's watch"..because they were enslaved by the Muslims in the East as well..