What About Religion?

WARNING: Please no flaming

It's not needed in modern day society

Personally I believe it's sad when somebody believes something based on nothing, no evidence (this goes 4 anything).

What's worse is when people have a large portion of their life revolve around it yet don't have any evidence, I think it's sad and completely illogical, believing something based on nothing goes against even the most basic logic.

What's even worse is when people take those said beliefs (which r based on nothing) and try to force them on others, try to force them into science, try to force them into politics, and even use it to justify violence.

All while having no evidence.

This looks like a job for me, so everybody just follow me. We need a little controversy. Cause it feels so empty without JC.

A scam invented thousands of years ago by people who couldn't fend for themselves, and had to use circular logic and fairy tales to threaten honest people to do their bidding.

Science is our god now, all bow to the mighty Science! If only some sci-fi writer could come up with a mix of spiritual reglion and sci-fi!

for the same reason i hated bill maher's documentary religulous. Religion isnt based on any logic or reasoning... its kind of like if your parents never told you santa clause wasnt real.

They are still nice people that believe in worthwhile ideals, not to be ridiculed... but admired.

What about it? I can tell you that Jesus is awesome.mindstorm

It's not needed in modern day society

toast_burner

I wholesomely agree. I feel we are in the point of time where we don't really need religion and we most definitely do not need it dictating lifestyles. (like, no alcohol on Sunday)

What about it? I can tell you that Jesus is awesome.mindstorm

Even though I don't really agree with religion, I have to agree with this. Jesus is the Chuck Norris of the past.

I think there's a better chance of stopping the entire world from smoking than curing the disease that is called religion, it's too widespread, it's similar to a zombie infestion, good luck earth.

But I'm glad I don't have to take part of either.

don't care

Personally I believe it's sad when somebody believes something based on nothing, no evidence (this goes 4 anything).

What's worse is when people have a large portion of their life revolve around it yet don't have any evidence, I think it's sad and completely illogical, believing something based on nothing goes against even the most basic logic.

What's even worse is when people take those said beliefs (which r based on nothing) and try to force them on others, try to force them into science, try to force them into politics, and even use it to justify violence.

All while having no evidence.

LostProphetFLCL

Erm isn't the bible evidence?

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Personally I believe it's sad when somebody believes something based on nothing, no evidence (this goes 4 anything).

What's worse is when people have a large portion of their life revolve around it yet don't have any evidence, I think it's sad and completely illogical, believing something based on nothing goes against even the most basic logic.

What's even worse is when people take those said beliefs (which r based on nothing) and try to force them on others, try to force them into science, try to force them into politics, and even use it to justify violence.

All while having no evidence.

nickz_fpk

Erm isn't the bible evidence?

Evidence requires many levels of factual corroboration. The bible is closer to a fiction novel.... but a real old fiction novel.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

Personally I believe it's sad when somebody believes something based on nothing, no evidence (this goes 4 anything).

What's worse is when people have a large portion of their life revolve around it yet don't have any evidence, I think it's sad and completely illogical, believing something based on nothing goes against even the most basic logic.

What's even worse is when people take those said beliefs (which r based on nothing) and try to force them on others, try to force them into science, try to force them into politics, and even use it to justify violence.

All while having no evidence.

nickz_fpk

Erm isn't the bible evidence?

No, the bible has been edited and altered over the course of many years, so it wouldn't really be valid evidence.

It's also similar to claiming vampires exist and using Twilight as evidence.

Religion is what you make it. If you require the idea of the existance of a divine power to carry on in life, so be it. If you don't, so be it. I personally follow the later.

[QUOTE="Mega-Mustaine"]No, the bible has been edited and altered over the course of many years, so it wouldn't really be valid evidence. It's also similar to claiming vampires exist and using Twilight as evidence.Sunsha

You make me feel more cool than I actually am. :oops:

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]What about it? I can tell you that Jesus is awesome.Mega-Mustaine

Even though I don't really agree with religion, I have to agree with this. Jesus is the Chuck Norris of the past.

Religion is and should be a personal thing.

I'm sorry, I don't know how to type out an emotional outburst without flaming. :P Religion is a bunch of nonsense, and I have determined this because I'm so smart; there is no basis for believing anything exists which is not pat of the observable universe. Other smart people have come to the same conclusion. Finally, I've concluded that the best way to convince people of my opinion is to be a jerk to them.

It's used to control people.

I'm sorry, I don't know how to type out an emotional outburst without flaming. :P Religion is a bunch of nonsense, and I have determined this because I'm so smart; there is no basis for believing anything exists which is not pat of the observable universe. Other smart people have come to the same conclusion. Finally, I've concluded that the best way to convince people of my opinion is to be a jerk to them.

Palantas

just so i dont get modded, you were being satirical and have not been offended by my post correct?

just so i dont get modded, you were being satirical and have not been offended by my post correct?

surrealnumber5

I was being satirical in parts. Differences in religion come down to differences in fundamental assumptions that can't be proven or disproven. Therefore, arguing about religion is usually fruitless, especially considering that most arguments never get close to dealing with peoples' presuppositions, and instead argue irrelevant minutae. So, most "arguments" quickly become emotional outbursts, simply mocking the other side. This is pretty ridiculous, especially for people who claim to be accepting and "tolerant." In fact, a lot of people skip the arguments (however shallow) altogether, and just go straight to making fun of people who don't agree with them, while giving themselves a pat on the back for being so enlightened.

Anyway, I wasn't offended by your post.

Religion is what you make it. If you require the idea of the existance of a divine power to carry on in life, so be it. If you don't, so be it. I personally follow the later.

CycleOfViolence

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just so i dont get modded, you were being satirical and have not been offended by my post correct?

Palantas

I was being satirical in parts. Differences in religion come down to differences in fundamental assumptions that can't be proven or disproven. Therefore, arguing about religion is usually fruitless, especially considering that most arguments never get close to dealing with peoples' presuppositions, and instead argue irrelevant minutae. So, most "arguments" quickly become emotional outbursts, simply mocking the other side. This is pretty ridiculous, especially for people who claim to be accepting and "tolerant." In fact, a lot of people skip the arguments (however shallow) altogether, and just go straight to making fun of people who don't agree with them, while giving themselves a pat on the back for being so enlightened.

Anyway, I wasn't offended by your post.

I laugh at the fools who think there is no evidence to support religion.jak275

It's not needed in modern day society

toast_burner

its an antiquated social construct that must be dissolved if society is to progress.

its an antiquated social construct that must be dissolved if society is to progress.

arbitor365

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its an antiquated social construct that must be dissolved if society is to progress.

m25105

Lots of old churches would be converted into really cool flats?

No religion here.

Religion is a very complex topic. In many ways, I think most people nowadays can't really comprehend what religion is really about. Religion has slowly but surely had a negative stigma being drip fed into it for a very long time, subliminally and openly. It will continue to suffer from this as secularisation is seen as a positive replacement.

People always tell me that religion is incompatible with modern society, personally I think its the other way around. Modern day society is a society fuelled by consumption, disregard, selfishness, greed, materialism etc etc. Religion tries to remove an individual from these constraints and open up a person's spiritual eye as opposed to to merely their physical eye.

People nowadays are just complete and total slaves to their desires and wants. Religion is the complete opposite of this. So I suppose its obvious that Religion is despised and misunderstood in today's climate.

Religion is a very complex topic. In many ways, I think most people nowadays can't really comprehend what religion is really about. Religion has slowly but surely had a negative stigma being drip fed into it for a very long time, subliminally and openly. It will continue to suffer from this as secularisation is seen as a positive replacement.

People always tell me that religion is incompatible with modern society, personally I think its the other way around. Modern day society is a society fuelled by consumption, disregard, selfishness, greed, materialism etc etc. Religion tries to remove an individual from these constraints and open up a person's spiritual eye as opposed to to merely their physical eye.

People nowadays are just complete and total slaves to their desires and wants. Religion is the complete opposite of this. So I suppose its obvious that Religion is despised and misunderstood in today's climate.

Asim90

Why would secularism be perceived as a negative? Consumption, disregard, selfishness, greed and materialism aren't contemporary characteristics. They have always existed. Religious people are also slave to desires and wants. That isn't something reserved for non believers.

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Religion is a very complex topic. In many ways, I think most people nowadays can't really comprehend what religion is really about. Religion has slowly but surely had a negative stigma being drip fed into it for a very long time, subliminally and openly. It will continue to suffer from this as secularisation is seen as a positive replacement.

People always tell me that religion is incompatible with modern society, personally I think its the other way around. Modern day society is a society fuelled by consumption, disregard, selfishness, greed, materialism etc etc. Religion tries to remove an individual from these constraints and open up a person's spiritual eye as opposed to to merely their physical eye.

People nowadays are just complete and total slaves to their desires and wants. Religion is the complete opposite of this. So I suppose its obvious that Religion is despised and misunderstood in today's climate.

CycleOfViolence

Why would secularism be perceived as a negative? Consumption, disregard, selfishness, greed and materialism aren't contemporary characteristics. They have always existed. Religious people are also slave to desires and wants. That isn't something reserved for non believers.

First of all you make a mistake in saying that those characteristics have always existed, some have but not all and certainly not to the extent that they do today. Secondly, it could be easily said that anyone that is a slave to their desires and wants is not a religious person.

Religion opposes selfishness, materialism and greed etc. These are characteristics that nowadays are seen as a good thing. Yes there will be some people that have a religion that possess these characteristics but that doesn't mean religion condones it.

I agree they aren't things only reserved for non believers and that to me is a great shame. If people that believe in religion actually followed their religion, the world would be a better place. I have no doubt in my mind about that.

What about religion?

What about people that make religious threads? Without fail they end up in pointless arguments, yet people still take the time to create them. To me, making the same threads over and over and expecting different results is a sign of an insane person.

What about people that make religious threads? Without fail they end up in pointless arguments, yet people still take the time to create them.

YellowOneKinobi

The best I think you can get out of religious threads is to tackle a specific issue under a shared frame of reference. For example, Christians could discuss some particular facet of Christianity. Most of the threads here are so broad in their discussion, that they draw in lots of mutually exclusive viewpoints, which quickly turns into people making fun of each other.

First of all you make a mistake in saying that those characteristics have always existed, some have but not all and certainly not to the extent that they do today. Secondly, it could be easily said that anyone that is a slave to their desires and wants is not a religious person.

Religion opposes selfishness, materialism and greed etc. These are characteristics that nowadays are seen as a good thing. Yes there will be some people that have a religion that possess these characteristics but that doesn't mean religion condones it.

I agree they aren't things only reserved for non believers and that to me is a great shame. If people that believe in religion actually followed their religion, the world would be a better place. I have no doubt in my mind about that.

Asim90

We're both speculating on the first point, I can't know for sure that these characteristics have always existed, nor can you know for sure that they haven't. Couldn't you argue that some religious individuals are slaves to their respective institutions? If someone desires to be fulfilled spiritually and live their life by a holy text they are enslaving themselves to it?

Selfishness, materialism, and greed are not seen as good things. While they are prominent today, they are far from good. Just as religion doesn't condone these behaviors, nor does being non religious.

What to you characterizes as "following their religion"? Does that mean interpreting holy books literally?

What about religion?

What about people that make religious threads? Without fail they end up in pointless arguments, yet people still take the time to create them. To me, making the same threads over and over and expecting different results is a sign of an insane person.

YellowOneKinobi