What are your thoughts on suicide?

Its pretty dumb and a waiste imo, but then again they say Hitler killed himself so it can't be that bad >_> .

I think its unnecessary, unless you happened to be blind, death, mute and cripple to the neck down then I understand the person's position.greenprince

[QUOTE="greenprince"]I think its unnecessary, unless you happened to be blind, death, mute and cripple to the neck down then I understand the person's position._Marisa_

I love how everyone judges people as "cowards". Have you ever had a mental illness? Maybe some neurological disorder? How do you know the situation they've been in wasn't difficult? I don't see how anyone can have the nerve to possibly judge someone's predicament.GettingTired

Nobody is judging their predicament; their chosen response to their predicament is what's being judged.

[QUOTE="GettingTired"]I love how everyone judges people as "cowards". Have you ever had a mental illness? Maybe some neurological disorder? How do you know the situation they've been in wasn't difficult? I don't see how anyone can have the nerve to possibly judge someone's predicament.Oleg_Huzwog

Nobody is judging their predicament; their chosen response to their predicament is what's being judged.

How can you judge their choice without understand what they are making the choice for?

Think of it this way. Suicide = No Heaven!

How can you judge their choice without understand what they are making the choice for?GettingTired

Can someone help me? I'm trying (without success) to envision a scenario where suicide ISN'T a cowardly choice.

[QUOTE="GettingTired"]How can you judge their choice without understand what they are making the choice for?Oleg_Huzwog

Can someone help me? I'm trying (without success) to envision a scenario where suicide ISN'T a cowardly choice.

You know, there are people out there with serious problems....and maybe there is no other choice but too end it. Not everybodys life is as perfect as yours

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="GettingTired"]How can you judge their choice without understand what they are making the choice for?zepman71

Can someone help me? I'm trying (without success) to envision a scenario where suicide ISN'T a cowardly choice.

You know, there are people out there with serious problems....and maybe there is no other choice but too end it. Not everybodys life is as perfect as yours

That would only cause problems for people who care aout you.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

The only "victims" of suicide are the friends and family members who cared for the weak and pathetic individual who took the coward's way out.

zepman71

How can you say that unless you have walked in their shoes? Not everyones life is all happy and perfect. Some people suffer all the time, plagued by depression and anxiety....

[QUOTE="hojobojo"]It's the easy way out of your problems.Ragnarok1051

I agree, it's the ultimate way of running from your problems.

The arrogance is strong with these two. They have mastered the art of sticking their heads way up their asses.

That would only cause problems for people who care aout you.

leegar88

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Can someone help me? I'm trying (without success) to envision a scenario where suicide ISN'T a cowardly choice.

zepman71

You know, there are people out there with serious problems....and maybe there is no other choice but too end it. Not everybodys life is as perfect as yours

:evil: My life is far from perfect. :evil: I've had more than my fair share of problems, none of which I care to share.

But that is irrelevant. I have a hard time believing there's a situation out there where suicide is the only answer.

[QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

The only "victims" of suicide are the friends and family members who cared for the weak and pathetic individual who took the coward's way out.

xaos

How can you say that unless you have walked in their shoes? Not everyones life is all happy and perfect. Some people suffer all the time, plagued by depression and anxiety....

[QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

The only "victims" of suicide are the friends and family members who cared for the weak and pathetic individual who took the coward's way out.

xaos

How can you say that unless you have walked in their shoes? Not everyones life is all happy and perfect. Some people suffer all the time, plagued by depression and anxiety....

What if, hypothetically, they had no loved ones? There are people out there with no one.

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

The only "victims" of suicide are the friends and family members who cared for the weak and pathetic individual who took the coward's way out.

quiglythegreat

How can you say that unless you have walked in their shoes? Not everyones life is all happy and perfect. Some people suffer all the time, plagued by depression and anxiety....

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

The only "victims" of suicide are the friends and family members who cared for the weak and pathetic individual who took the coward's way out.

GettingTired

How can you say that unless you have walked in their shoes? Not everyones life is all happy and perfect. Some people suffer all the time, plagued by depression and anxiety....

What if, hypothetically, they had no loved ones? There are people out there with no one.

I can understand why someone would say suicide is a bad choice. It is. What I don't understand is why people continually mention loved ones; the tragedy is not with them.
quiglythegreat

I knew a man who took his own life. I don't know why he did it. What I do know, is that suddenly a woman and 4 kids had lost their only source of income. The tragedy was most certainly on them.

[QUOTE="leegar88"]

That would only cause problems for people who care aout you.

quiglythegreat

What if a six year olds mother takes her own life that would drasticaly effect him.

I definitely disagree; my partner had a friend in college who committed suicide. It devastated everyone who knew the guy. You think you wouldn't find it tragic and emotionally shattering if one of your loved ones killed themselves?xaos

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]I can understand why someone would say suicide is a bad choice. It is. What I don't understand is why people continually mention loved ones; the tragedy is not with them.
Oleg_Huzwog

I knew a man who took his own life. I don't know why he did it. What I do know, is that suddenly a woman and 4 kids had lost their only source of income. The tragedy was most certainly on them.

Think of it this way. Suicide = No Heaven!

SsjGoku_999

Personally, I hate people who view suicide victims as 'weak' or'pathetic'. Although Ive never had any one I know do it, some people have real problems and just can't see another way out. Not everyoneare as lucky as some people.

What are your thoughts?

zepman71

That's pretty much exactly how I feel.

[QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Can someone help me? I'm trying (without success) to envision a scenario where suicide ISN'T a cowardly choice.

Oleg_Huzwog

You know, there are people out there with serious problems....and maybe there is no other choice but too end it. Not everybodys life is as perfect as yours

:evil: My life is far from perfect. :evil: I've had more than my fair share of problems, none of which I care to share.

But that is irrelevant. I have a hard time believing there's a situation out there where suicide is the only answer.

It's not about the number of "answers". It's not simply about choosing one of the infinite solutions that don't involve suicide, or we would have no suicides. It's about genuinely not wanting to live anymore, usually preceded by years of serious philosophical contemplation.

They say suicide is painless, it brings on many changes.

It's selfish.luke1889

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]I knew a man who took his own life. I don't know why he did it. What I do know, is that suddenly a woman and 4 kids had lost their only source of income. The tragedy was most certainly on them.quiglythegreat

The tragedy of the whole matter is the person who's dead AND the effects on those around the person. The act isn't being downplayed so much as the rippling effect is being brought into light.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]I knew a man who took his own life. I don't know why he did it. What I do know, is that suddenly a woman and 4 kids had lost their only source of income. The tragedy was most certainly on them.Oleg_Huzwog

The tragedy of the whole matter is the person who's dead AND the effects on those around the person. The act isn't being downplayed so much as the rippling effect is being brought into light.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="zepman71"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Can someone help me? I'm trying (without success) to envision a scenario where suicide ISN'T a cowardly choice.

Banestyrelsen

You know, there are people out there with serious problems....and maybe there is no other choice but too end it. Not everybodys life is as perfect as yours

:evil: My life is far from perfect. :evil: I've had more than my fair share of problems, none of which I care to share.

But that is irrelevant. I have a hard time believing there's a situation out there where suicide is the only answer.

It's not about the number of "answers". It's not simply about choosing one of the infinite solutions that don't involve suicide, or we would have no suicides. It's about genuinely not wanting to live anymore, usually preceded by years of serious philosophical contemplation.

its the easy way out.LoG-Sacrament

So? And surely you must have a lot of guts to actually end your life?

[QUOTE="xaos"] I definitely disagree; my partner had a friend in college who committed suicide. It devastated everyone who knew the guy. You think you wouldn't find it tragic and emotionally shattering if one of your loved ones killed themselves?quiglythegreat

It's not about the number of "answers". It's not simply about choosing one of the infinite solutions that don't involve suicide, or we would have no suicides. It's about genuinely not wanting to live anymore, usually preceded by years of serious philosophical contemplation.

Banestyrelsen

Isn't it the consensus within the medical community that suicide is predominately an act of escapism and not a genuine interest in death? That directly contradicts your statement.

It seems selfish in that they are escaping their unhappiness and transferring it to people who care about them.xaos

[QUOTE="Banestyrelsen"]

It's not about the number of "answers". It's not simply about choosing one of the infinite solutions that don't involve suicide, or we would have no suicides. It's about genuinely not wanting to live anymore, usually preceded by years of serious philosophical contemplation.

Oleg_Huzwog

Isn't it the consensus within the medical community that suicide is predominately an act of escapism and not a genuine interest in death? That directly contradicts your statement.

I think suicide is the most selfish thing anyone could ever do.

Now, I know that bad things happen, and people see no way out. But that doesn't mean there's no way out. Kill yourself, and what of your family? Any problems they had are now increased ten-fold. Friends? Now they have one less person to turn toward. Society? One less person to pay taxes and help the economy.

Suicide helps nobody. It only makes things worse.

[QUOTE="xaos"] It seems selfish in that they are escaping their unhappiness and transferring it to people who care about them.quiglythegreat

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]its the easy way out.HandsomeDead

So? And surely you must have a lot of guts to actually end your life?

sometimes its easier to end your life than cope with its issues.

I think suicide is the most selfish thing anyone could ever do.

Now, I know that bad things happen, and people see no way out. But that doesn't mean there's no way out. Kill yourself, and what of your family? Any problems they had are now increased ten-fold. Friends? Now they have one less person to turn toward. Society? One less person to pay taxes and help the economy.

Suicide helps nobody. It only makes things worse.

Silver_Dragon17

Edit: The "one less person to pay taxes argument" is %100 moot.