I don't see why you consider yourself a pacifist though. Since you're battle ethic would fall under about 90 percent of GS basically. The only non pacifists would be bullies and murderers.I always have to laugh when someone brings a dictionary to an arguement.
This is the last time I'm going to say it. Just because we don't advocate violence and can in no way justify it doesn't mean we aren't going to use self defense when necessary. The rule of pacifism is that ALL fights can be avoided. You can talk theoretics all you want, but the odds are, if I'm walking away from you, you're not going to take me from behind. And even if you do, you're going to jail, it's as simple as that. And in the event that you've escalated it for no reason at all, then I might just break your wrist while defending myself. There's just as much violence if not more in a one-sided fight as there is when someone is fighting back. At that point, it's completely unavoidable. It's not like if I got attacked in the woods by a wolf I'd just let it eat me. Again, stop being so presumptuous.
Super_Hippie
What do all of you have against pacifists?
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You have no idea what you're talking about....Pacifism is what it is...IF you are practicing what you are...it is not pacifism.....pure and simple.....your arogance is amusing......I always have to laugh when someone brings a dictionary to an arguement.
This is the last time I'm going to say it. Just because we don't advocate violence and can in no way justify it doesn't mean we aren't going to use self defense when necessary. The rule of pacifism is that ALL fights can be avoided. You can talk theoretics all you want, but the odds are, if I'm walking away from you, you're not going to take me from behind. And even if you do, you're going to jail, it's as simple as that. And in the event that you've escalated it for no reason at all, then I might just break your wrist while defending myself. There's just as much violence if not more in a one-sided fight as there is when someone is fighting back. At that point, it's completely unavoidable. It's not like if I got attacked in the woods by a wolf I'd just let it eat me. Again, stop being so presumptuous.
Super_Hippie
[QUOTE="Super_Hippie"]I always have to laugh when someone brings a dictionary to an arguement.
This is the last time I'm going to say it. Just because we don't advocate violence and can in no way justify it doesn't mean we aren't going to use self defense when necessary. The rule of pacifism is that ALL fights can be avoided. You can talk theoretics all you want, but the odds are, if I'm walking away from you, you're not going to take me from behind. And even if you do, you're going to jail, it's as simple as that. And in the event that you've escalated it for no reason at all, then I might just break your wrist while defending myself. There's just as much violence if not more in a one-sided fight as there is when someone is fighting back. At that point, it's completely unavoidable. It's not like if I got attacked in the woods by a wolf I'd just let it eat me. Again, stop being so presumptuous.
pinkgorilla989
All fights can be avoided my ass.
Maybe not ALL, but damn near all.
Well, not really, but it's interesting you're of a mind to make a statement like that...what's wrong with pacifism...hmmm......besides the fact thet it's an idealistic joke?........Natural Selection..the weak are picked off by the strong.....a pacifist just puts a target on his back that says "own me"....
Omni-Slash
I always have to laugh when someone brings a dictionary to an arguement.
This is the last time I'm going to say it. Just because we don't advocate violence and can in no way justify it doesn't mean we aren't going to use self defense when necessary. The rule of pacifism is that ALL fights can be avoided. You can talk theoretics all you want, but the odds are, if I'm walking away from you, you're not going to take me from behind. And even if you do, you're going to jail, it's as simple as that. And in the event that you've escalated it for no reason at all, then I might just break your wrist while defending myself. There's just as much violence if not more in a one-sided fight as there is when someone is fighting back. At that point, it's completely unavoidable. It's not like if I got attacked in the woods by a wolf I'd just let it eat me. Again, stop being so presumptuous.
Super_Hippie
Sometimes you have to man up and fight for what's right.....a pacifist is one who doesn't fight....and hence, gets kicked around.
[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]Well, not really, but it's interesting you're of a mind to make a statement like that...what's wrong with pacifism...hmmm......besides the fact thet it's an idealistic joke?........Natural Selection..the weak are picked off by the strong.....a pacifist just puts a target on his back that says "own me"....
quiglythegreat
No...thats true...a real pacifist does become a target for those that are not.
Pacifism is standing up for what you believe for some people, which is total abstinence from fighting. They think that's the right thing. They think fighting is the wrong thing to do. You realize this, yet you say they don't fight for what's right. I don't understand. Fighting really is wrong. The only people who say it's necessary say so because they hope it will prevent further fighting. Pacifists believe that pacifism prevents fighting, not fighting, and that's not so out there.Sometimes you have to man up and fight for what's right.....a pacifist is one who doesn't fight....and hence, gets kicked around.
LJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Pacifism is standing up for what you believe for some people, which is total abstinence from fighting. They think that's the right thing. They think fighting is the wrong thing to do. You realize this, yet you say they don't fight for what's right. I don't understand. Fighting really is wrong. The only people who say it's necessary say so because they hope it will prevent further fighting. Pacifists believe that pacifism prevents fighting, not fighting, and that's not so out there.Sometimes you have to man up and fight for what's right.....a pacifist is one who doesn't fight....and hence, gets kicked around.
quiglythegreat
If they fight...they are NOT pacifists. A pacifist does not believe in violence. You can't be a pacifist only when it doesn't benefit you. You either are...or you aren't.:|
[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]Well, not really, but it's interesting you're of a mind to make a statement like that...what's wrong with pacifism...hmmm......besides the fact thet it's an idealistic joke?........Natural Selection..the weak are picked off by the strong.....a pacifist just puts a target on his back that says "own me"....
LJS9502_basic
No...thats true...a real pacifist does become a target for those that are not.
Well, so if you or omnislash met me in person, you'd punch me in the face simply because I'm a pacifist? I'd like to think I'm not disliked to such an extent. Now, let's say that I'm huge and could floor the both of you and so you didn't punch me (as you presumably otherwise would). What does this accomplish? You still hate my guts. The idea of pacifism is that you're going to stop further fighting by not fighting back. What reason has a person to do me physical harm if they know I won't harm them if they are not sadists? And do not bring up that hypothetical, because the vast majority of humanity is not sadistic.Yes, I know this, which is why it astounds me you say they don't fight for what they think is right. They think not fighting is right.If they fight...they are NOT pacifists. A pacifist does not believe in violence. You can't be a pacifist only when it doesn't benefit you. You either are...or you aren't.:|
LJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yes, I know this, which is why it astounds me you say they don't fight for what they think is right. They think not fighting is right.If they fight...they are NOT pacifists. A pacifist does not believe in violence. You can't be a pacifist only when it doesn't benefit you. You either are...or you aren't.:|
quiglythegreat
I said exactly that huh? Show me where....
what's wrong with pacifism...hmmm......besides the fact thet it's an idealistic joke?........Natural Selection..the weak are picked off by the strong.....a pacifist just puts a target on his back that says "own me"....
Omni-Slash
Pacifist does not equal weak. Some of the strongest people I know are pacifists. But if they have to defend themselves you better watch out.
[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]what's wrong with pacifism...hmmm......besides the fact thet it's an idealistic joke?........Natural Selection..the weak are picked off by the strong.....a pacifist just puts a target on his back that says "own me"....
brianpoetzel
Pacifist does not equal weak. Some of the strongest people I know are pacifists. But if they have to defend themselves you better watch out.
Then are not pacifists....by definition.
All fights can be avoided my ass.
pinkgorilla989
They can. Whether that means not putting yourself in the situation where it could happen or simply walking away once tension builds. Obviously if you get in someone's face and start yelling at him, you're instigating something, but if you were a pacifist, you wouldn't be doing that anyway. Fighting is in no way constructive, not in the least bit. As long as you can keep that in mind, I can guarantee that you'll never find yourself in a fight.
I always have to laugh when someone brings a dictionary to an arguement.
This is the last time I'm going to say it. Just because we don't advocate violence and can in no way justify it doesn't mean we aren't going to use self defense when necessary. The rule of pacifism is that ALL fights can be avoided. You can talk theoretics all you want, but the odds are, if I'm walking away from you, you're not going to take me from behind. And even if you do, you're going to jail, it's as simple as that. And in the event that you've escalated it for no reason at all, then I might just break your wrist while defending myself. There's just as much violence if not more in a one-sided fight as there is when someone is fighting back. At that point, it's completely unavoidable. It's not like if I got attacked in the woods by a wolf I'd just let it eat me. Again, stop being so presumptuous.
Super_Hippie
3examples I was walking along one somebody stopped me in the street give us 50p "no sorry mate" and walked past him. then I get punched in the back of the head. I guess I could of avoided that by giving 50p.
A youth I didn't know rode his bike past me and punched me in the face. How was that avoidable.
I was in having a driink in my city centre when the one of the lads I was with got in an argument with a bunch of lads. Seeing that things were going to get hostile the lad i was with was all like I'm not looking for trouble and when of the other lads try to say something to diffuse the situation was told to shut the f up. So I decided to just be quiet. They then started to chase him up the street. One of the lads who was didn't chase him turned around and punched me in the face. Assuming he wasn't going to stop I attempted to defend myself. By the way the lad did get arrested but then so did I. So I should have just let him punch mer epeatedly and done anything about it.
[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yes, I know this, which is why it astounds me you say they don't fight for what they think is right. They think not fighting is right.If they fight...they are NOT pacifists. A pacifist does not believe in violence. You can't be a pacifist only when it doesn't benefit you. You either are...or you aren't.:|
LJS9502_basic
I said exactly that huh? Show me where....
Your language indicates that you're indicting pacifists for not fighting for what's right. You bring up the necessity of fighting, as it's the only moral thing to do, and then you immediately say that pacifists do not fight. This indicates to me that you are saying pacifists do not fight, and fighting is the right thing to do, therefore, pacifists do not do the right thing by not fighting. You also mention 'manning up' and fighting. I'd say it's easier to take a punch if you give one in return, wouldn't you?Sometimes you have to man up and fight for what's right.....a pacifist is one who doesn't fight....and hence, gets kicked around.
LJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]Well, not really, but it's interesting you're of a mind to make a statement like that...what's wrong with pacifism...hmmm......besides the fact thet it's an idealistic joke?........Natural Selection..the weak are picked off by the strong.....a pacifist just puts a target on his back that says "own me"....
quiglythegreat
No...thats true...a real pacifist does become a target for those that are not.
Well, so if you or omnislash met me in person, you'd punch me in the face simply because I'm a pacifist? I'd like to think I'm not disliked to such an extent. Now, let's say that I'm huge and could floor the both of you and so you didn't punch me (as you presumably otherwise would). What does this accomplish? You still hate my guts. The idea of pacifism is that you're going to stop further fighting by not fighting back. What reason has a person to do me physical harm if they know I won't harm them if they are not sadists? And do not bring up that hypothetical, because the vast majority of humanity is not sadistic.This man deserves an award for all the win in that statement.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yes, I know this, which is why it astounds me you say they don't fight for what they think is right. They think not fighting is right.If they fight...they are NOT pacifists. A pacifist does not believe in violence. You can't be a pacifist only when it doesn't benefit you. You either are...or you aren't.:|
quiglythegreat
I said exactly that huh? Show me where....
Your language indicates that you're indicting pacifists for not fighting for what's right. You bring up the necessity of fighting, as it's the only moral thing to do, and then you immediately say that pacifists do not fight. This indicates to me that you are saying pacifists do not fight, and fighting is the right thing to do, therefore, pacifists do not do the right thing by not fighting. You also mention 'manning up' and fighting. I'd say it's easier to take a punch if you give one in return, wouldn't you?Sometimes you have to man up and fight for what's right.....a pacifist is one who doesn't fight....and hence, gets kicked around.
LJS9502_basic
*sigh* What I said was sometimes you have to fight....a pacifist doesn't and gets kicked around because of it. A far cry from you interpretation on my words. Note the lack of use of pacifist in the first phrase....and the existence of it in the second. K?:roll:
Sometimes...ie...on occasion standing up and defending yourself, your home, your family, your country etc is necessary. And it is.I will say I have no respect for someone that wouldn't defend such things.
[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yes, I know this, which is why it astounds me you say they don't fight for what they think is right. They think not fighting is right.If they fight...they are NOT pacifists. A pacifist does not believe in violence. You can't be a pacifist only when it doesn't benefit you. You either are...or you aren't.:|
LJS9502_basic
I said exactly that huh? Show me where....
Your language indicates that you're indicting pacifists for not fighting for what's right. You bring up the necessity of fighting, as it's the only moral thing to do, and then you immediately say that pacifists do not fight. This indicates to me that you are saying pacifists do not fight, and fighting is the right thing to do, therefore, pacifists do not do the right thing by not fighting. You also mention 'manning up' and fighting. I'd say it's easier to take a punch if you give one in return, wouldn't you?Sometimes you have to man up and fight for what's right.....a pacifist is one who doesn't fight....and hence, gets kicked around.
LJS9502_basic
*sigh* What I said was sometimes you have to fight....a pacifist doesn't and gets kicked around because of it. A far cry from you interpretation on my words. Note the lack of use of pacifist in the first phrase....and the existence of it in the second. K?:roll:
Sometimes...ie...on occasion standing up and defending yourself, your home, your family, your country etc is necessary. And it is.I will say I have no respect for someone that wouldn't defend such things.
So pacifists are immoral because they refuse to go to war, to take a gun, and to shoot someone? And nice job at refuting my interpretation of your post.[QUOTE="brianpoetzel"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]what's wrong with pacifism...hmmm......besides the fact thet it's an idealistic joke?........Natural Selection..the weak are picked off by the strong.....a pacifist just puts a target on his back that says "own me"....
LJS9502_basic
Pacifist does not equal weak. Some of the strongest people I know are pacifists. But if they have to defend themselves you better watch out.
Then are not pacifists....by definition.
Sure they are. They try every available option to avoid violent confrontation. You can still be a pacifist and defend yourself or a loved one. Being a pacifist just means that you are opposed to violence and prefer a peaceful or non-violent solution to problems. It doesn't mean you're a whipping boy.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="brianpoetzel"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]what's wrong with pacifism...hmmm......besides the fact thet it's an idealistic joke?........Natural Selection..the weak are picked off by the strong.....a pacifist just puts a target on his back that says "own me"....
brianpoetzel
Pacifist does not equal weak. Some of the strongest people I know are pacifists. But if they have to defend themselves you better watch out.
Then are not pacifists....by definition.
Sure they are. They try every available option to avoid violent confrontation. You can still be a pacifist and defend yourself or a loved one. Being a pacifist just means that you are opposed to violence and prefer a peaceful or non-violent solution to problems. It doesn't mean you're a whipping boy.
Nope...it means you don't use violence.
So pacifists are immoral because they refuse to go to war, to take a gun, and to shoot someone? And nice job at refuting my interpretation of your post.
quiglythegreat
I said exactly what I said...not my problem if you want to add words to the post to argue with it. The words stand on their own. Now show me where I brought up morality? I SAID I DON'T RESPECT THEM....personal statement....though you tried...yet again to change the meaning to suit yourself. Stick to the post itself....no editing. K?
3examples I was walking along one somebody stopped me in the street give us 50p "no sorry mate" and walked past him. then I get punched in the back of the head. I guess I could of avoided that by giving 50p.
A youth I didn't know rode his bike past me and punched me in the face. How was that avoidable.
I was in having a driink in my city centre when the one of the lads I was with got in an argument with a bunch of lads. Seeing that things were going to get hostile thew lad i was with was all like I'm not looking for trouble and when of the other lads try to say something to diffuse the situation was told to shut the f up. So I decided to just be quiet. They then started to chase him up the street. One of the lads who was didn't chase him turned around and punched me in the face. Assuming he wasn't going to stop Iattempted to defend myself. By the way the lad did get arrested but then so did I. So I should have just let him punch merepeatedly and done anything about it.
bentleg
First two: Not fights. You got hit. Yeah, that sucks. You could have easily turned it into a fight, though, if you hit back. Did you? If so, you could have avoided it. If not, you did the right thing.
As for the last scenario, it's not that black and white. Many of my friends would have just tried to defend themselves without throwing punches back. Just because someone is TRYING to hit you doesn't mean you have to let them. You could block, dodge, or just plain run away. But just as not all Christians are text-book definitions, not all pacifists will not completely defend themselves. I take Tai Chi and Pa Kua just for those reasons. I can turn someone's attack into an attack on themselves just by redirecting their force. In the end, it was them that inflected the harm on themself, not me.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="brianpoetzel"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]what's wrong with pacifism...hmmm......besides the fact thet it's an idealistic joke?........Natural Selection..the weak are picked off by the strong.....a pacifist just puts a target on his back that says "own me"....
brianpoetzel
Pacifist does not equal weak. Some of the strongest people I know are pacifists. But if they have to defend themselves you better watch out.
Then are not pacifists....by definition.
Sure they are. They try every available option to avoid violent confrontation. You can still be a pacifist and defend yourself or a loved one. Being a pacifist just means that you are opposed to violence and prefer a peaceful or non-violent solution to problems. It doesn't mean you're a whipping boy.
Uh. No, it necessarily means nonresistance. Because to resist violence violently is just not going to work out for someone. It's the only rational degree of that philosophy. A good example would be the Black Panthers. They were hardly for killing everyone, they just were absolutely fed up with being shot and beaten and arrested so they started having guns too, eventually escalating to where they were making attacks that were theoretically aimed at stopping brutality and violence.[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"] Well, so if you or omnislash met me in person, you'd punch me in the face simply because I'm a pacifist? I'd like to think I'm not disliked to such an extent. Now, let's say that I'm huge and could floor the both of you and so you didn't punch me (as you presumably otherwise would). What does this accomplish? You still hate my guts. The idea of pacifism is that you're going to stop further fighting by not fighting back. What reason has a person to do me physical harm if they know I won't harm them if they are not sadists? And do not bring up that hypothetical, because the vast majority of humanity is not sadistic.
Super_Hippie
This man deserves an award for all the win in that statement.
Absolutely no win in that statement....just misinformation...again.
[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]So pacifists are immoral because they refuse to go to war, to take a gun, and to shoot someone? And nice job at refuting my interpretation of your post.
LJS9502_basic
I said exactly what I said...not my problem if you want to add words to the post to argue with it. The words stand on their own. Now show me where I brought up morality? I SAID I DON'T RESPECT THEM....personal statement....though you tried...yet again to change the meaning to suit yourself. Stick to the post itself....no editing. K?
So I'm supposed to read your posts go 'k' and then not interpret them? If I'm not quoting you verbatim I might as well not bother? Your post very clearly indicated that you think that pacifism is immoral, i.e. when you said you do not respect for people who won't defend things, presumably violently, or am I looking too into your post when I presume you meant violent defense?[QUOTE="bentleg"]3examples I was walking along one somebody stopped me in the street give us 50p "no sorry mate" and walked past him. then I get punched in the back of the head. I guess I could of avoided that by giving 50p.
A youth I didn't know rode his bike past me and punched me in the face. How was that avoidable.
I was in having a driink in my city centre when the one of the lads I was with got in an argument with a bunch of lads. Seeing that things were going to get hostile thew lad i was with was all like I'm not looking for trouble and when of the other lads try to say something to diffuse the situation was told to shut the f up. So I decided to just be quiet. They then started to chase him up the street. One of the lads who was didn't chase him turned around and punched me in the face. Assuming he wasn't going to stop Iattempted to defend myself. By the way the lad did get arrested but then so did I. So I should have just let him punch merepeatedly and done anything about it.
Super_Hippie
First two: Not fights. You got hit. Yeah, that sucks. You could have easily turned it into a fight, though, if you hit back. Did you? If so, you could have avoided it. If not, you did the right thing.
As for the last scenario, it's not that black and white. Many of my friends would have just tried to defend themselves without throwing punches back. Just because someone is TRYING to hit you doesn't mean you have to let them. You could block, dodge, or just plain run away. But just as not all Christians are text-book definitions, not all pacifists will not completely defend themselves. I take Tai Chi and Pa Kua just for those reasons. I can turn someone's attack into an attack on themselves just by redirecting their force. In the end, it was them that inflected the harm on themself, not me.
Mate you must live in the perfect place. Because if somebody starts hitting you where i livethey don't stop until you are on the floor.
And I could have avoided the last one by being a martial art expert? And by the way my knees are screwed up so I cannot run.
[QUOTE="brianpoetzel"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="brianpoetzel"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]what's wrong with pacifism...hmmm......besides the fact thet it's an idealistic joke?........Natural Selection..the weak are picked off by the strong.....a pacifist just puts a target on his back that says "own me"....
LJS9502_basic
Pacifist does not equal weak. Some of the strongest people I know are pacifists. But if they have to defend themselves you better watch out.
Then are not pacifists....by definition.
Sure they are. They try every available option to avoid violent confrontation. You can still be a pacifist and defend yourself or a loved one. Being a pacifist just means that you are opposed to violence and prefer a peaceful or non-violent solution to problems. It doesn't mean you're a whipping boy.
Nope...it means you don't use violence.
Nope... it's just what they prefer.
[QUOTE="pinkgorilla989"]All fights can be avoided my ass.
Super_Hippie
They can. Whether that means not putting yourself in the situation where it could happen or simply walking away once tension builds. Obviously if you get in someone's face and start yelling at him, you're instigating something, but if you were a pacifist, you wouldn't be doing that anyway. Fighting is in no way constructive, not in the least bit. As long as you can keep that in mind, I can guarantee that you'll never find yourself in a fight.
Actually, no. Say some random dude on the street suddenly flips out a knife and comes at you. He's faster than you and can run you down. What's the only thing you can do? That's right. Beat his ass. Or just take it like a wuss and die.
[QUOTE="brianpoetzel"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="brianpoetzel"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]what's wrong with pacifism...hmmm......besides the fact thet it's an idealistic joke?........Natural Selection..the weak are picked off by the strong.....a pacifist just puts a target on his back that says "own me"....
quiglythegreat
Pacifist does not equal weak. Some of the strongest people I know are pacifists. But if they have to defend themselves you better watch out.
Then are not pacifists....by definition.
Sure they are. They try every available option to avoid violent confrontation. You can still be a pacifist and defend yourself or a loved one. Being a pacifist just means that you are opposed to violence and prefer a peaceful or non-violent solution to problems. It doesn't mean you're a whipping boy.
Uh. No, it necessarily means nonresistance. Because to resist violence violently is just not going to work out for someone. It's the only rational degree of that philosophy. A good example would be the Black Panthers. They were hardly for killing everyone, they just were absolutely fed up with being shot and beaten and arrested so they started having guns too, eventually escalating to where they were making attacks that were theoretically aimed at stopping brutality and violence.lol. I was trying to agree with you. All you have to do is exhaust all your other options. If you do that and still can't avoid a fight and still choose not to defend yourself... then...well... what can I say.
peace out. :)
[QUOTE="Super_Hippie"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"] Well, so if you or omnislash met me in person, you'd punch me in the face simply because I'm a pacifist? I'd like to think I'm not disliked to such an extent. Now, let's say that I'm huge and could floor the both of you and so you didn't punch me (as you presumably otherwise would). What does this accomplish? You still hate my guts. The idea of pacifism is that you're going to stop further fighting by not fighting back. What reason has a person to do me physical harm if they know I won't harm them if they are not sadists? And do not bring up that hypothetical, because the vast majority of humanity is not sadistic.
LJS9502_basic
This man deserves an award for all the win in that statement.
Absolutely no win in that statement....just misinformation...again.
Logic can by nature not be misinformation, not that you've ever called any of my posts anything else.For the freakin love of god guys how hard is this to understand...Pacifists don't use violence ever....whether it's to defend....or attack...period they don't believe in it...why do you think some monks are routinely beat down and suppressed in for their ideas in other countries....when you won't defend yourself you will be made a victim...fact of life...deal.....
[QUOTE="Super_Hippie"][QUOTE="pinkgorilla989"]All fights can be avoided my ass.
pinkgorilla989
They can. Whether that means not putting yourself in the situation where it could happen or simply walking away once tension builds. Obviously if you get in someone's face and start yelling at him, you're instigating something, but if you were a pacifist, you wouldn't be doing that anyway. Fighting is in no way constructive, not in the least bit. As long as you can keep that in mind, I can guarantee that you'll never find yourself in a fight.
Actually, no. Say some random dude on the street suddenly flips out a knife and comes at you. He's faster than you and can run you down. What's the only thing you can do? That's right. Beat his ass. Or just take it like a wuss and die.
You have wise words, most surely. For never has a victimizer been victimized. Thou hast knowledge such as the gods do envy!For the freakin love of god guys how hard is this to understand...Pacifists don't use violence ever....whether it's to defend....or attack...period they don't believe in it...why do you think some monks are routinely beat down and suppressed in for their ideas in other countries....when you won't defend yourself you will be made a victim...fact of life...deal.....
Omni-Slash
You have wise words, most surely. For never has a victimizer been victimized. Thou hast knowledge such as the gods do envy!ahh so clever yet so misconstrued....when did I say that.....oh yeah never....tis the newest rage in OT....if you can't argue a point...try to confuse others with unrelated crap.....
quiglythegreat
[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"] You have wise words, most surely. For never has a victimizer been victimized. Thou hast knowledge such as the gods do envy!ahh so clever yet so misconstrued....when did I say that.....oh yeah never....tis the newest rage in OT....if you can't argue a point...try to confuse others with unrelated crap..... I don't understand what you mean. Maybe I really am as stupid as LJSbasic says I am, but I'm almost certain that you said if you don't fight back, you'll just be victimized. My point was that that happens one way or another. And I really don't see how I haven't been arguing my point. I've been doing it. Either my posts are uninteresting or so stupid that you don't respond to them.
Omni-Slash
I don't understand what you mean. Maybe I really am as stupid as LJSbasic says I am, but I'm almost certain that you said if you don't fight back, you'll just be victimized. My point was that that happens one way or another.say you're right....(which history shows you're wrong but we'll just ignore that)......so it's better to roll over and play dead if it's just going to happen anyway?.....I'll pass on that kind of though....
quiglythegreat
I made a topic yesterday and if I wasn't called a liar, I was demeaned and belittled, just because I stood up for what I believe in. Do you all just follow the crowd? Allow yourself to be herded into what the capitalists think you should be into? Sorry, but I'd rather get choked out than willingly allow my integrity as a human being be comprimised by the same people who believe sweat is for the poor.
Just so you all know, I plan on returning to the same mall today to finally get my copy of Orange Box and odds are, I'll end up crossing paths with the buzz-head and Old Freebe again. Since most of you just trolled my last topic, I probably wont even bother updating you all on what happens unless there are some people that actually want to know.
Super_Hippie
Must, crush, Capitalism, ARGGHH-Lennon (Simpsons)
[QUOTE="pinkgorilla989"][QUOTE="Super_Hippie"][QUOTE="pinkgorilla989"]All fights can be avoided my ass.
quiglythegreat
They can. Whether that means not putting yourself in the situation where it could happen or simply walking away once tension builds. Obviously if you get in someone's face and start yelling at him, you're instigating something, but if you were a pacifist, you wouldn't be doing that anyway. Fighting is in no way constructive, not in the least bit. As long as you can keep that in mind, I can guarantee that you'll never find yourself in a fight.
Actually, no. Say some random dude on the street suddenly flips out a knife and comes at you. He's faster than you and can run you down. What's the only thing you can do? That's right. Beat his ass. Or just take it like a wuss and die.
My point was that sometimes there are only two choices. Fight or be beaten down. Which sounds better to you? Cause in some cases, running aint an option.
[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"] I don't understand what you mean. Maybe I really am as stupid as LJSbasic says I am, but I'm almost certain that you said if you don't fight back, you'll just be victimized. My point was that that happens one way or another.say you're right....(which history shows you're wrong but we'll just ignore that)......so it's better to roll over and play dead if it's just going to happen anyway?.....I'll pass on that kind of though.... So I'll just ignore that you said I'm incapable of making points and respond to your counterpoint? Anyway, I think that victimizers are the most likely of all to be victimized, because, hey, victims usually aren't so hot on the people they hurt. It's just karma (no, not the Eastern sort).
Omni-Slash
So I'll just ignore that you said I'm incapable of making points and respond to your counterpoint? Anyway, I think that victimizers are the most likely of all to be victimized, because, hey, victims usually aren't so hot on the people they hurt. It's just karma (no, not the Eastern sort).except the "victims"...ie pacifists.....will never exact revenge.....so what real motivation is there not to abuse them?...good will?.....not anymore....and hey...morales are relative.......anyway..I gotta jet....tis been a hoot....
quiglythegreat
Ohhh nes teh evils capitizts!I made a topic yesterday and if I wasn't called a liar, I was demeaned and belittled, just because I stood up for what I believe in. Do you all just follow the crowd? Allow yourself to be herded into what the capitalists think you should be into?.
Super_Hippie
Get stabbed then, I say. At least then you don't have to hurt someone then. I mean, ok, if it came down to you just having to punch someone or something instead of getting stabbed, I guess I could concede that, but the issue is that that idea of self-defense escalates so quickly that eventually you're just retaliating.My point was that sometimes there are only two choices. Fight or be beaten down. Which sounds better to you? Cause in some cases, running aint an option.
pinkgorilla989
[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"] I don't understand what you mean. Maybe I really am as stupid as LJSbasic says I am, but I'm almost certain that you said if you don't fight back, you'll just be victimized. My point was that that happens one way or another.say you're right....(which history shows you're wrong but we'll just ignore that)......so it's better to roll over and play dead if it's just going to happen anyway?.....I'll pass on that kind of though.... So I'll just ignore that you said I'm incapable of making points and respond to your counterpoint? Anyway, I think that victimizers are the most likely of all to be victimized, because, hey, victims usually aren't so hot on the people they hurt. It's just karma (no, not the Eastern sort).
quiglythegreat
Yeah I know! The victims might fight back!
[QUOTE="pinkgorilla989"]Get stabbed then, I say. At least then you don't have to hurt someone then. I mean, ok, if it came down to you just having to punch someone or something instead of getting stabbed, I guess I could concede that, but the issue is that that idea of self-defense escalates so quickly that eventually you're just retaliating.My point was that sometimes there are only two choices. Fight or be beaten down. Which sounds better to you? Cause in some cases, running aint an option.
quiglythegreat
You would rather get stabbed than defend yourself? Well then you have proved his point, pacifists are idiots
[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"] So I'll just ignore that you said I'm incapable of making points and respond to your counterpoint? Anyway, I think that victimizers are the most likely of all to be victimized, because, hey, victims usually aren't so hot on the people they hurt. It's just karma (no, not the Eastern sort).except the "victims"...ie pacifists.....will never exact revenge.....so what real motivation is there not to abuse them?...good will?.....not anymore....and hey...morales are relative.......anyway..I gotta jet....tis been a hoot.... Obviously there is no revenge from pacifists. They consider revenge to be bad, for reasons probably not beyond anyone's imagination. I think that humans are essentially good, they just get kind of misguided. I think it's far more pleasant to help someone than to hurt them and I think that something else has to get involved to hurt someone. But I don't think I overestimate the common good when I say that most people would not kill me simply because they could.
Omni-Slash
[QUOTE="pinkgorilla989"]Get stabbed then, I say. At least then you don't have to hurt someone then. I mean, ok, if it came down to you just having to punch someone or something instead of getting stabbed, I guess I could concede that, but the issue is that that idea of self-defense escalates so quickly that eventually you're just retaliating.My point was that sometimes there are only two choices. Fight or be beaten down. Which sounds better to you? Cause in some cases, running aint an option.
quiglythegreat
That sounds so dumb. I mean, wow, I'm not even going to try arguing my point with you. Just, wow...........
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