What do you guys think of Malcom X?

I don't know much about him myself. Though I've begun to read his autobiography and he seams to be very honest. Unfortunately, the stories of his youth and teenage years leave me with a pretty negative impression of him. He better have some very redeeming qualities as an adult.

He was a bit radical, but very intelligent.

You should see the film. Denzel Washington is brilliant.sammyjenkis898

[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]You should see the film. Denzel Washington is brilliant.munu9

Malcolm X is THE MAN! But I doubt anyone here is surprised to hear me say that.

In fact, Malcolm X and Harriet Tubman are probably my favorite historical black persons.

Black supremacist. The movie was also not very good...

He was a bit radical, but very intelligent.

Ace_WondersX

You should see the film. Denzel Washington is brilliant.sammyjenkis898

Yeah I only seen the film.

It was amazing. What amazing life he lived.

Malcom X >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MLK Jr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Obama. The only reason they dont like to talk/ include Malcome X in black history releated sfuff is becuz he was aggresive. Is true all you hear/see on Tv/school books is about MLK Jr but you rearly see X.RTUUMM

[QUOTE="RTUUMM"]Malcom X >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MLK Jr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Obama. The only reason they dont like to talk/ include Malcome X in black history releated sfuff is becuz he was aggresive. Is true all you hear/see on Tv/school books is about MLK Jr but you rearly see X.kingyotoX

Even if you disagree with everything he says and does. What the man has accomplished can't be considered a joke. But your right on the fact he doesn't belong in the civil rights discussion with Malcom X and MLK Jr.

[QUOTE="kingyotoX"][QUOTE="RTUUMM"]Malcom X >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MLK Jr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Obama. The only reason they dont like to talk/ include Malcome X in black history releated sfuff is becuz he was aggresive. Is true all you hear/see on Tv/school books is about MLK Jr but you rearly see X.btaylor2404

Even if you disagree with everything he says and does. What the man has accomplished can't be considered a joke. But your right on the fact he doesn't belong in the civil rights discussion with Malcom X and MLK Jr.

I consider him an important figure in American history. In my opinion, Martin Luther King Jr. would have never progressed the Civil Rights Movement without Malcom X. The federal government had to choose one or the other.

Black supremacist. The movie was also not very good...

Guppy507

Is it "black supremecy" to say that if a man wants tries to kill you, then defend yourself by any means necessary?

I consider him an important figure in American history. In my opinion, Martin Luther King Jr. would have never progressed the Civil Rights Movement without Malcom X. The federal government had to choose one or the other.

CommanderShiro

I agree almost completely. Except maybe I would have said "white people" instead of "the government".

Malcolm scared white america, so many accepted what Martin brought as a lesser of two "evils".

[QUOTE="kingyotoX"][QUOTE="RTUUMM"]Malcom X >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MLK Jr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Obama. The only reason they dont like to talk/ include Malcome X in black history releated sfuff is becuz he was aggresive. Is true all you hear/see on Tv/school books is about MLK Jr but you rearly see X.btaylor2404

Even if you disagree with everything he says and does. What the man has accomplished can't be considered a joke. But your right on the fact he doesn't belong in the civil rights discussion with Malcom X and MLK Jr.

Hey B...

Always a pleasure, and I can always count on you to make sense. :)

[QUOTE="CommanderShiro"]

I consider him an important figure in American history. In my opinion, Martin Luther King Jr. would have never progressed the Civil Rights Movement without Malcom X. The federal government had to choose one or the other.

TBoogy

I agree almost completely. Except maybe I would have said "white people" instead of "the government".

Malcolm scared white america, so many accepted what Martin brought as a lesser of two "evils".

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"]

He was a bit radical, but very intelligent.

btaylor2404

Just because I have never challenged your opinion that I can recall (I usually agree with you anyway), I thought I would ask your opinion;

Do YOU think he was radical? I mean, of course the masses did. But in hindsight, was anything he said so strange?

[QUOTE="kingyotoX"][QUOTE="RTUUMM"]Malcom X >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MLK Jr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Obama. The only reason they dont like to talk/ include Malcome X in black history releated sfuff is becuz he was aggresive. Is true all you hear/see on Tv/school books is about MLK Jr but you rearly see X.btaylor2404

Even if you disagree with everything he says and does. What the man has accomplished can't be considered a joke. But your right on the fact he doesn't belong in the civil rights discussion with Malcom X and MLK Jr.

Yeah, I agree completely. It was a huge thing to happen...but not as big as the accomplishments MLK and Malcom X made.

Honestly, I dont know enough about Malcom X. I wish schools would teach more about him. One of these days, I need to sit back and read up on Malcom X.

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

[QUOTE="CommanderShiro"]

I consider him an important figure in American history. In my opinion, Martin Luther King Jr. would have never progressed the Civil Rights Movement without Malcom X. The federal government had to choose one or the other.

CommanderShiro

I agree almost completely. Except maybe I would have said "white people" instead of "the government".

Malcolm scared white america, so many accepted what Martin brought as a lesser of two "evils".

Well, if you put it THAT way... :)

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]

[QUOTE="kingyotoX"] Why wold you even put Obama in the same post as two of the greatest civil rights leaders of all time? Obama is a joke. taj7575

Even if you disagree with everything he says and does. What the man has accomplished can't be considered a joke. But your right on the fact he doesn't belong in the civil rights discussion with Malcom X and MLK Jr.

Yeah, I agree completely. It was a huge thing to happen...but not as big as the accomplishments MLK and Malcom X made.

Honestly, I dont know enough about Malcom X. I wish schools would teach more about him. One of these days, I need to sit back and read up on Malcom X.

Want a short recap?

Young man sees his father killed by the clan. Mother struggles without husband. Family grows up poor. Malcolm becomes a petty criminal like many poor youth without fathers. He develops a taste for white women, probably as some sort of revenge. Starts a crime ring with a couple of said white women. Gets busted (although white women, of course, get little if any jail time). Goes to prison. Meets a man in prison who helps him get rid of SOME of his anger and resentment. That man is a Muslim. Man teaches Malcolm the tenets of the Muslim faith. When he gets out of jail, he meets Elijah Mohammed(sp) who totally speaks to Malcolm's soul, and he instantly becomes a member of The Nation Of Islam. He is very charismatic and quickly rises in the ranks of the organization, which angers many in the organization. It comes to light that Elijah fathered MANY children with MANY young girls, which seriously saddens Malcolm, who is a man of very strong convictions.

Malcolm speaks out against Elijah, making him a marked man. He started recieving death threats, but he remained true to himself and to Allah. In fact, he goes to Mecca (which most in the Nation never actually did), and gets a true understanding of the faith. He saw men of all races worshipping together, and it changed him completely. He stopped looking at ALL white people as devils, and tried to turn over a new leaf. Before he could speak out a lot about the New Malcolm though, he was finally killed just before giving a speech.

Some members of The Nation were involved, and it is heavily suspected that the FBI was encouraging their retaliation. It is a fact that almost every word that Malcolm uttered was recorded. An agent at the time was credited with saying "Compared to Martin (who was cheating on his wife), Malcolm is a SAINT."

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"][QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"]

He was a bit radical, but very intelligent.

TBoogy

Just because I have never challenged your opinion that I can recall (I usually agree with you anyway), I thought I would ask your opinion;

Do YOU think he was radical? I mean, of course the masses did. But in hindsight, was anything he said so strange?

TBoogy, good to see you on here. In my studies of him, not really (of course I'm 34 not 64). But yes the masses did, and to some extent still do. This, I think, is one of the reasons he doesn't have a holiday, and I'd agree with you that he was central to the civil rights movement. MLK Jr. received the martyr/hero treatment after his assassination, and rightfully so, but Malcom was always held at arms length by the general public.

I thought he was too aggressive but I always thought MLK Jr was more inspiring.

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"] This. He was a complex and highly intelligent man. I think he gets lost a bit in the civil rights discussions because he was so radical.btaylor2404

Just because I have never challenged your opinion that I can recall (I usually agree with you anyway), I thought I would ask your opinion;

Do YOU think he was radical? I mean, of course the masses did. But in hindsight, was anything he said so strange?

TBoogy, good to see you on here. In my studies of him, not really (of course I'm 34 not 64). But yes the masses did, and to some extent still do. This, I think, is one of the reasons he doesn't have a holiday, and I'd agree with you that he was central to the civil rights movement. MLK Jr. received the martyr/hero treatment after his assassination, and rightfully so, but Malcom was always held at arms length by the general public.

Yeah, the masses still to this day know very little of the REAL Malcolm (devoted husband and father, etc).

People call him a radical, but of course we can all say that it is not radical to say "hit 'em back" when someone hits you. At the time however, no white person wanted a black person to say that, even if they felt that way themselves.

The only thing even slightly "radical" is that he called ALL white people devils (at one point in his life), but it is very easy to see why he would feel this way given his background and the times he lived in.

[QUOTE="taj7575"]

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]

Even if you disagree with everything he says and does. What the man has accomplished can't be considered a joke. But your right on the fact he doesn't belong in the civil rights discussion with Malcom X and MLK Jr.

TBoogy

Yeah, I agree completely. It was a huge thing to happen...but not as big as the accomplishments MLK and Malcom X made.

Honestly, I dont know enough about Malcom X. I wish schools would teach more about him. One of these days, I need to sit back and read up on Malcom X.

Want a short recap?

Young man sees his father killed by the clan. Mother struggles without husband. Family grows up poor. Malcolm becomes a petty criminal like many poor youth without fathers. He develops a taste for white women, probably as some sort of revenge. Starts a crime ring with a couple of said white women. Gets busted (although white women, of course, get little if any jail time). Goes to prison. Meets a man in prison who helps him get rid of SOME of his anger and resentment. That man is a Muslim. Man teaches Malcolm the tenets of the Muslim faith. When he gets out of jail, he meets Elijah Mohammed(sp) who totally speaks to Malcolm's soul, and he instantly becomes a member of The Nation Of Islam. He is very charismatic and quickly rises in the ranks of the organization, which angers many in the organization. It comes to light that Elijah fathered MANY children with MANY young girls, which seriously saddens Malcolm, who is a man of very strong convictions.

Malcolm speaks out against Elijah, making him a marked man. He started recieving death threats, but he remained true to himself and to Allah. In fact, he goes to Mecca (which most in the Nation never actually did), and gets a true understanding of the faith. He saw men of all races worshipping together, and it changed him completely. He stopped looking at ALL white people as devils, and tried to turn over a new leaf. Before he could speak out a lot about the New Malcolm though, he was finally killed just before giving a speech.

Some members of The Nation were involved, and it is heavily suspected that the FBI was encouraging their retaliation. It is a fact that almost every word that Malcolm uttered was recorded. An agent at the time was credited with saying "Compared to Martin (who was cheating on his wife), Malcolm is a SAINT."

so as he was changing and clearing up, he was killed...

damn, thats sad. He was definitely a great man.

Malcolm X was the greatest of the civil rights activist. The only reason why he is so demonized is because the white run media doesn't want to give an man who aggressively seeks black rights a medium to present his message. He was truly a great man and it's a shame he was murdered. Toriko42

Was the Spike Lee movie a good representation of the real Malcom X?

Anyways, I heard that his ideas were more aggressive by preaching racism and violence.

Definitely not as great as MLK's idea of equal rights and peace during the civil rights movement.

Was the Spike Lee movie a good representation of the real Malcom X?

Anyways, I heard that his ideas were more aggressive by preaching racism and violence.

Definitely not as great as MLK's idea of equal rights and peace.

martialbullet

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

[QUOTE="taj7575"]

Yeah, I agree completely. It was a huge thing to happen...but not as big as the accomplishments MLK and Malcom X made.

Honestly, I dont know enough about Malcom X. I wish schools would teach more about him. One of these days, I need to sit back and read up on Malcom X.

taj7575

Want a short recap?

Young man sees his father killed by the clan. Mother struggles without husband. Family grows up poor. Malcolm becomes a petty criminal like many poor youth without fathers. He develops a taste for white women, probably as some sort of revenge. Starts a crime ring with a couple of said white women. Gets busted (although white women, of course, get little if any jail time). Goes to prison. Meets a man in prison who helps him get rid of SOME of his anger and resentment. That man is a Muslim. Man teaches Malcolm the tenets of the Muslim faith. When he gets out of jail, he meets Elijah Mohammed(sp) who totally speaks to Malcolm's soul, and he instantly becomes a member of The Nation Of Islam. He is very charismatic and quickly rises in the ranks of the organization, which angers many in the organization. It comes to light that Elijah fathered MANY children with MANY young girls, which seriously saddens Malcolm, who is a man of very strong convictions.

Malcolm speaks out against Elijah, making him a marked man. He started recieving death threats, but he remained true to himself and to Allah. In fact, he goes to Mecca (which most in the Nation never actually did), and gets a true understanding of the faith. He saw men of all races worshipping together, and it changed him completely. He stopped looking at ALL white people as devils, and tried to turn over a new leaf. Before he could speak out a lot about the New Malcolm though, he was finally killed just before giving a speech.

Some members of The Nation were involved, and it is heavily suspected that the FBI was encouraging their retaliation. It is a fact that almost every word that Malcolm uttered was recorded. An agent at the time was credited with saying "Compared to Martin (who was cheating on his wife), Malcolm is a SAINT."

so as he was changing and clearing up, he was killed...

damn, thats sad. He was definitely a great man.

Yeah, deefinately. Once I read the Autobiography of Malcolm X, I changed as well. Malcolm instantly became a role model for me, and Martin fell a number of places. I still love him for what he did, but "I am Malcolm X" (a line at the end of the movie. You really should watch it. It tells the story very competely. Almost word for word with the book.)

[QUOTE="taj7575"]

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

Want a short recap?

Young man sees his father killed by the clan. Mother struggles without husband. Family grows up poor. Malcolm becomes a petty criminal like many poor youth without fathers. He develops a taste for white women, probably as some sort of revenge. Starts a crime ring with a couple of said white women. Gets busted (although white women, of course, get little if any jail time). Goes to prison. Meets a man in prison who helps him get rid of SOME of his anger and resentment. That man is a Muslim. Man teaches Malcolm the tenets of the Muslim faith. When he gets out of jail, he meets Elijah Mohammed(sp) who totally speaks to Malcolm's soul, and he instantly becomes a member of The Nation Of Islam. He is very charismatic and quickly rises in the ranks of the organization, which angers many in the organization. It comes to light that Elijah fathered MANY children with MANY young girls, which seriously saddens Malcolm, who is a man of very strong convictions.

Malcolm speaks out against Elijah, making him a marked man. He started recieving death threats, but he remained true to himself and to Allah. In fact, he goes to Mecca (which most in the Nation never actually did), and gets a true understanding of the faith. He saw men of all races worshipping together, and it changed him completely. He stopped looking at ALL white people as devils, and tried to turn over a new leaf. Before he could speak out a lot about the New Malcolm though, he was finally killed just before giving a speech.

Some members of The Nation were involved, and it is heavily suspected that the FBI was encouraging their retaliation. It is a fact that almost every word that Malcolm uttered was recorded. An agent at the time was credited with saying "Compared to Martin (who was cheating on his wife), Malcolm is a SAINT."

TBoogy

so as he was changing and clearing up, he was killed...

damn, thats sad. He was definitely a great man.

Yeah, deefinately. Once I read the Autobiography of Malcolm X, I changed as well. Malcolm instantly became a role model for me, and Martin fell a number of places. I still love him for what he did, but "I am Malcolm X" (a line at the end of the movie. You really should watch it. It tells the story very competely. Almost word for word with the book.)

Thanks, Ill deff. check out the movie when I have time.

Was the Spike Lee movie a good representation of the real Malcom X?

Anyways, I heard that his ideas were more aggressive by preaching racism and violence.

Definitely not as great as MLK's idea of equal rights and peace during the civil rights movement.

martialbullet

The movie was probably the most accurate movie based on a book ever. They basically used the book as a screenplay.

He didn't preach violence. He preached self defense and peaceful disobedince.

A great example is the part in the book/movie where a man is beaten by the cops and hauled away to jail. The nation marches to the Police station and stands outside after being denied the chance to see the man. A crowd forms as more join them. It starts to become a rowdy mob (except for Malcolms people). Afraid, the cops let Malcolm see the man. He is near death. Malcolm insists they get him medical attention, and an ambulance takes him away.

They beg Malcolm to "leave now". He raises his hand, the crowd becomes instantly silent, he points away, and the crowd disperses instantly.

All he wanted was respect for his people. The Nation members were very disciplined. The Black Panthers tried to immitate that, but failed.

So not violent, and rascist? Well, why it is commendable to be able to say you "love your enemy", how many of us could say that of those who beat and murdered your loved ones in the street?

you want a funny analogy?

Martin Luther King is Professor X

Malcolm X is Magneto

both want to help their people but through very different ways.

[QUOTE="martialbullet"]

Was the Spike Lee movie a good representation of the real Malcom X?

Anyways, I heard that his ideas were more aggressive by preaching racism and violence.

Definitely not as great as MLK's idea of equal rights and peace during the civil rights movement.

TBoogy

The movie was probably the most accurate movie based on a book ever. They basically used the book as a screenplay.

He didn't preach violence. He preached self defense and peaceful disobedince.

A great example is the part in the book/movie where a man is beaten by the cops and hauled away to jail. The nation marches to the Police station and stands outside after being denied the chance to see the man. A crowd forms as more join them. It starts to become a rowdy mob (except for Malcolms people). Afraid, the cops let Malcolm see the man. He is near death. Malcolm insists they get him medical attention, and an ambulance takes him away.

They beg Malcolm to "leave now". He raises his hand, the crowd becomes instantly silent, he points away, and the crowd disperses instantly.

All he wanted was respect for his people. The Nation members were very disciplined. The Black Panthers tried to immitate that, but failed.

So not violent, and rascist? Well, why it is commendable to be able to say you "love your enemy", how many of us could say that of those who beat and murdered your loved ones in the street?

you want a funny analogy?

Martin Luther King is Professor X

Malcolm X is Magneto

both want to help their people but through very different ways.

Ace_WondersX

That's actually pretty good...

in an EXTREMELY nerdy kind of way. ;)

[QUOTE="Toriko42"]Malcolm X was the greatest of the civil rights activist. The only reason why he is so demonized is because the white run media doesn't want to give an man who aggressively seeks black rights a medium to present his message. He was truly a great man and it's a shame he was murdered. munu9

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

[QUOTE="martialbullet"]

Was the Spike Lee movie a good representation of the real Malcom X?

Anyways, I heard that his ideas were more aggressive by preaching racism and violence.

Definitely not as great as MLK's idea of equal rights and peace during the civil rights movement.

munu9

The movie was probably the most accurate movie based on a book ever. They basically used the book as a screenplay.

He didn't preach violence. He preached self defense and peaceful disobedince.

A great example is the part in the book/movie where a man is beaten by the cops and hauled away to jail. The nation marches to the Police station and stands outside after being denied the chance to see the man. A crowd forms as more join them. It starts to become a rowdy mob (except for Malcolms people). Afraid, the cops let Malcolm see the man. He is near death. Malcolm insists they get him medical attention, and an ambulance takes him away.

They beg Malcolm to "leave now". He raises his hand, the crowd becomes instantly silent, he points away, and the crowd disperses instantly.

All he wanted was respect for his people. The Nation members were very disciplined. The Black Panthers tried to immitate that, but failed.

So not violent, and rascist? Well, why it is commendable to be able to say you "love your enemy", how many of us could say that of those who beat and murdered your loved ones in the street?

Well said and a very good point, I admit.

[QUOTE="munu9"][QUOTE="Toriko42"]Malcolm X was the greatest of the civil rights activist. The only reason why he is so demonized is because the white run media doesn't want to give an man who aggressively seeks black rights a medium to present his message. He was truly a great man and it's a shame he was murdered. Toriko42

You are on point. And I also like the Black Panthers, but am saddened that they lost their focus along the way. Could have been really special.

I wonder if many people know that you can't walk down the street with a rifle or shotgun because of the Black Panthers (and then governorRonald Raegan).

[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="munu9"] What do you base this opinion off of? His autobiography? I'm just interested to find outTBoogy

You are on point. And I also like the Black Panthers, but am saddened that they lost their focus along the way. Could have been really special.

I wonder if many people know that you can't walk down the street with a rifle or shotgun because of the Black Panthers (and then governorRonald Raegan).

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

[QUOTE="Toriko42"] I've read the autobiography and I also had to write a 5,000 word report on him for my 'cumulative essay' for my history class. It ended up being about 7500 for me since I was pretty interested. I read a ton of books, read a lot of articles, saw the movie, and I just researched it a lot to form my opinion. I did the same thing this year for The Black Panthers. It's this thing our socials program at my school does. Toriko42

You are on point. And I also like the Black Panthers, but am saddened that they lost their focus along the way. Could have been really special.

I wonder if many people know that you can't walk down the street with a rifle or shotgun because of the Black Panthers (and then governorRonald Raegan).

He's a good writer. WhiteSnake5000

?!?

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

[QUOTE="martialbullet"]

Was the Spike Lee movie a good representation of the real Malcom X?

Anyways, I heard that his ideas were more aggressive by preaching racism and violence.

Definitely not as great as MLK's idea of equal rights and peace during the civil rights movement.

munu9

The movie was probably the most accurate movie based on a book ever. They basically used the book as a screenplay.

He didn't preach violence. He preached self defense and peaceful disobedince.

A great example is the part in the book/movie where a man is beaten by the cops and hauled away to jail. The nation marches to the Police station and stands outside after being denied the chance to see the man. A crowd forms as more join them. It starts to become a rowdy mob (except for Malcolms people). Afraid, the cops let Malcolm see the man. He is near death. Malcolm insists they get him medical attention, and an ambulance takes him away.

They beg Malcolm to "leave now". He raises his hand, the crowd becomes instantly silent, he points away, and the crowd disperses instantly.

All he wanted was respect for his people. The Nation members were very disciplined. The Black Panthers tried to immitate that, but failed.

So not violent, and rascist? Well, why it is commendable to be able to say you "love your enemy", how many of us could say that of those who beat and murdered your loved ones in the street?

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

[QUOTE="Toriko42"] I've read the autobiography and I also had to write a 5,000 word report on him for my 'cumulative essay' for my history class. It ended up being about 7500 for me since I was pretty interested. I read a ton of books, read a lot of articles, saw the movie, and I just researched it a lot to form my opinion. I did the same thing this year for The Black Panthers. It's this thing our socials program at my school does. Toriko42

You are on point. And I also like the Black Panthers, but am saddened that they lost their focus along the way. Could have been really special.

I wonder if many people know that you can't walk down the street with a rifle or shotgun because of the Black Panthers (and then governorRonald Raegan).

No doubt. The FBI was messed up, but I wish they had elevated above it. Stayed away from drugs and infighting. Focused on the social programs.

But either way, I belong to a group on Facebook called "I would be a Black Panther, but I was born too late". ;)