What do you think about white seperatism?

You read stormfront.:|

I am against racism dude. Period.

You read stormfront.:|

I am against racism dude. Period.

LJS9502_basic

No i just accidentally stumbled into it 5 years ago after visiting brazzilbrief and raceandstuff. Stormfront is a Neo-Nazi and white supremacist site. Personally i don't see any difference between white seperatism and white supremacy. They are all the same **** imo.

It's just a bigoted and ignorant view in my opinion.

In the words of a motivational poster in my former RE class: 'We're all part of the same race: the human race.'

You read stormfront.:|

I am against racism dude. Period.

LJS9502_basic

Exactly what I was thinking, and yeah, I'm against racism aswell... PERIOD!!!

It's just a bigoted and ignorant view in my opinion.

In the words of a motivational poster in my former RE class: 'We're all part of the same race: the human race.'

MetalGear_Ninty

I totally agree. Racism sucks. Race has little meaning biologically. It's a social construct. Genetic variation between humans is very small.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

It's just a bigoted and ignorant view in my opinion.

In the words of a motivational poster in my former RE class: 'We're all part of the same race: the human race.'

X4D

I totally agree. Racism sucks. Race has little meaning biologically. It's a social construct. Genetic variation between humans is very small.

Also, Humans are not a race, we are a species.

Biologists universally agree that "race" as it exists in sub-species classification, is entirely real. The term "breed" or "variety" is far more common when referring to animals and plants, but the concept is the same. Now go ahead and tell me that the difference between a poodle and a pitbull is a "social construct".

Also, Humans are not a race, we are a species.

SIapshot

But humans are not dogs. The canine genome is far more stable than that of humans.

Genetic studies in the late 20th century denied the existence of biogenetically distinct human races, and scholars now argue that human "races" are cultural interventions reflecting specific attitudes and beliefs that were imposed on different populations in the wake of western European conquests beginning in the 15th century.

Although most people continue to think of races as physically distinct populations, scientific advances in the 20th century demonstrated that human physical variations do not fit a "racial" model. There are no genes that can identify distinct groups that accord with the conventional race categories. DNA analyses have proved that all humans have much more in common, genetically, than they have differences. Geographically widely separated populations vary from one another in only about 6 to 8 percent of their genes. Because of the overlapping of traits that bear no relationship to one another (such as skin colour and hair texture) and the inability of scientists to cluster peoples into discrete racial packages, modern researchers argue that the concept of race has no biological validity.

The fact is that the world's peoples CANNOT be divided into biologically separate, discrete, and exclusive populations called races.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/488030/race

White ideologies such as capitalism and liberalism (freedom) will eventually create multicultural and multiracial societies. Crap like white supremacy and white seperatism is just hypocritical nonsense.

Make no mistake though, I'm not an idiotic hippie liberal who's ashamed of being white.

[QUOTE="SIapshot"]Biologists universally agree that "race" as it exists in sub-species classification, is entirely real. The term "breed" or "variety" is far more common when referring to animals and plants, but the concept is the same. Now go ahead and tell me that the difference between a poodle and a pitbull is a "social construct".

Also, Humans are not a race, we are a species.

X4D

But humans are not dogs. The canine genome is far more stable than that of humans.

Genetic studies in the late 20th century denied the existence of biogenetically distinct races, and scholars now argue that "races" are cultural interventions reflecting specific attitudes and beliefs that were imposed on different populations in the wake of western European conquests beginning in the 15th century.

Although most people continue to think of races as physically distinct populations, scientific advances in the 20th century demonstrated that human physical variations do not fit a "racial" model. There are no genes that can identify distinct groups that accord with the conventional race categories. DNA analyses have proved that all humans have much more in common, genetically, than they have differences. Geographically widely separated populations vary from one another in only about 6 to 8 percent of their genes. Because of the overlapping of traits that bear no relationship to one another (such as skin colour and hair texture) and the inability of scientists to cluster peoples into discrete racial packages, modern researchers argue that the concept of race has no biological validity.

The fact is that the world's peoples CANNOT be divided into biologically separate, discrete, and exclusive populations called races.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/488030/race

As reported in the publication Nature...

"Copy number variation (CNV) of DNA sequences is functionally significant but has yet to be fully ascertained. We have constructed a first-generation CNV map of the human genome through the study of 270 individuals from four populations with ancestry in Europe, Africa or Asia (the HapMap collection). DNA from these individuals was screened for CNV using two complementary technologies: single-nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) genotyping arrays, and clone-based comparative genomic hybridization. A total of 1,447 copy number variable regions (CNVRs), which can encompass overlapping or adjacent gains or losses, covering 360 megabases (12% of the genome) were identified in these populations. These CNVRs contained hundreds of genes, disease loci, functional elements and segmental duplications. Notably, the CNVRs encompassed more nucleotide content per genome than SNPs, underscoring the importance of CNV in genetic diversity and evolution. "
link

Also, you might want to consider the fact that geneticists can accurately determine the regional origin of your DNA down to African, European, and Asian. This would not be possible if sub-species classification was simply a "social construct" with no biological evidence. link

White seperatism is the belief that whites should live in seperate nations and territory than blacks. White seperatists want white people to control their own destiny in the territory they inhabit. They also against interacial mixing. They say that whites should not marry blacks and that interracial mixing is hindering white survival. They claim that if they lived in an all-white nation, there would be no need, desire or for that matter, ability, to oppress people of any other race. In Stormfront for example, the white seperatists claim that blacks are less intelligent than whites and are worse off if separated from whites. X4D

white seperatism is equally strong about black seperatism. ive talked to some of the people (and that dosent mean flaming stormfront) and a lot of them dont seem to hate anyone, they just want to live away from them. some of them think white people shouldnt live in africa. so at least theyre consistant sort of.

however, if thats what they want then optional segregation isnt such a bad thing.

most modern seperatists dont actually hate blacks.

that being said, i wouldnt call myself one.

After reading the posts in this thread, I can't imagine ANYONE calling racists ignorant. It's like the pot calling the kettle black.

[QUOTE="SIapshot"]Biologists universally agree that "race" as it exists in sub-species classification, is entirely real. The term "breed" or "variety" is far more common when referring to animals and plants, but the concept is the same. Now go ahead and tell me that the difference between a poodle and a pitbull is a "social construct".

Also, Humans are not a race, we are a species.

X4D

But humans are not dogs. The canine genome is far more stable than that of humans.

Genetic studies in the late 20th century denied the existence of biogenetically distinct human races, and scholars now argue that human "races" are cultural interventions reflecting specific attitudes and beliefs that were imposed on different populations in the wake of western European conquests beginning in the 15th century.

Although most people continue to think of races as physically distinct populations, scientific advances in the 20th century demonstrated that human physical variations do not fit a "racial" model. There are no genes that can identify distinct groups that accord with the conventional race categories. DNA analyses have proved that all humans have much more in common, genetically, than they have differences. Geographically widely separated populations vary from one another in only about 6 to 8 percent of their genes. Because of the overlapping of traits that bear no relationship to one another (such as skin colour and hair texture) and the inability of scientists to cluster peoples into discrete racial packages, modern researchers argue that the concept of race has no biological validity.

The fact is that the world's peoples CANNOT be divided into biologically separate, discrete, and exclusive populations called races.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/488030/race

yeah but most scientists will tell you straight up that we dont know what most genes do.

I dont think nonwhites are less than me, or anything like that. I do think were different though. Not in negative ways.

[QUOTE="X4D"]White seperatism is the belief that whites should live in seperate nations and territory than blacks. White seperatists want white people to control their own destiny in the territory they inhabit. They also against interacial mixing. They say that whites should not marry blacks and that interracial mixing is hindering white survival. They claim that if they lived in an all-white nation, there would be no need, desire or for that matter, ability, to oppress people of any other race. In Stormfront for example, the white seperatists claim that blacks are less intelligent than whites and are worse off if separated from whites. H8sMikeMoore

white seperatism is equally strong about black seperatism. ive talked to some of the people (and that dosent mean flaming stormfront) and a lot of them dont seem to hate anyone, they just want to live away from them. some of them think white people shouldnt live in africa. so at least theyre consistant sort of.

however, if thats what they want then optional segregation isnt such a bad thing.

most modern seperatists dont actually hate blacks.

that being said, i wouldnt call myself one.

But seperatism is based on the concept that the races of humanity are inherently, largely different --which is wrong, seperatism will lead to racial wars and the such.

And with the notion that races are different, ultimately racism will appear -- as inevitably people will assume that their race is superior to other ones.

White seperatism is another term to make their racist beliefs sound better.. When at the end of the day they are still racists.sSubZerOo

Yes i agree. Racism starts with racialism, the belief that humans can be divided into distinct biological entities called "races". The concept of race stems from the idea that the human species can be naturally subdivided into biologically distinct groups. In practice, however, scientists have found it impossible to seperate humans into clearly defined races. Most scientists today reject the concept of biological race and instead see human biological variation as falling along a continuum. In other words, human variation is patterned and not discrete like in dogs or mice.

Russian dad + Chinese momTheFlush

would not guess that one.

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="X4D"]White seperatism is the belief that whites should live in seperate nations and territory than blacks. White seperatists want white people to control their own destiny in the territory they inhabit. They also against interacial mixing. They say that whites should not marry blacks and that interracial mixing is hindering white survival. They claim that if they lived in an all-white nation, there would be no need, desire or for that matter, ability, to oppress people of any other race. In Stormfront for example, the white seperatists claim that blacks are less intelligent than whites and are worse off if separated from whites. MetalGear_Ninty

white seperatism is equally strong about black seperatism. ive talked to some of the people (and that dosent mean flaming stormfront) and a lot of them dont seem to hate anyone, they just want to live away from them. some of them think white people shouldnt live in africa. so at least theyre consistant sort of.

however, if thats what they want then optional segregation isnt such a bad thing.

most modern seperatists dont actually hate blacks.

that being said, i wouldnt call myself one.

But seperatism is based on the concept that the races of humanity are inherently, largely different --which is wrong, seperatism will lead to racial wars and the such.

And with the notion that races are different, ultimately racism will appear -- as inevitably people will assume that their race is superior to other ones.

everyone within that community seems to have different ideas. The single one that you picked out cant represent all of them, seeing as most groups within that community cannot get along with each other. If stormfront wasnt so heavily moderated you'd see them bickering at each other.

I dont think individual segregation is bad. for example: a guy never talks to other races/lives in a town that happens to be all white etc.

as long as nobody is trampling on the rights of others. Him not talking to minorities wouldnt hurt them or anyone else.

Did you think anybody would actually come here and say they support the beliefs or anything like that?-Austin-

I mean I couldnt be racist even if I wanted to seeing as I have a black cousin, but im not afraid to say that they do ban anyone who disagrees with the norm especially on this issue so its no suprise that we have people preaching to the chior.

I find it funny that the people who post primarily on stormfront are low paid, poorly educated, and socially isolated poor white men. If they truly believe in race separation and racial superiority then they should practice it to the utmost. Which means no eating of fruits imported from africa, clothes made by the chinese, technology developed my the japanese, computers and computer parts manufactured in Asia. If they want to live in white heaven go on tour of europe...wait this poor ignorant gits can't even find europe let alone afford to spend a year in that continent.

Why can't you be racist because you have a black cousin? I see no interaction between espousing racist believes and knowing a colored person or having one in your family. There have been some racists with black and jewish parents...

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="X4D"]White seperatism is the belief that whites should live in seperate nations and territory than blacks. White seperatists want white people to control their own destiny in the territory they inhabit. They also against interacial mixing. They say that whites should not marry blacks and that interracial mixing is hindering white survival. They claim that if they lived in an all-white nation, there would be no need, desire or for that matter, ability, to oppress people of any other race. In Stormfront for example, the white seperatists claim that blacks are less intelligent than whites and are worse off if separated from whites. H8sMikeMoore

white seperatism is equally strong about black seperatism. ive talked to some of the people (and that dosent mean flaming stormfront) and a lot of them dont seem to hate anyone, they just want to live away from them. some of them think white people shouldnt live in africa. so at least theyre consistant sort of.

however, if thats what they want then optional segregation isnt such a bad thing.

most modern seperatists dont actually hate blacks.

that being said, i wouldnt call myself one.

But seperatism is based on the concept that the races of humanity are inherently, largely different --which is wrong, seperatism will lead to racial wars and the such.

And with the notion that races are different, ultimately racism will appear -- as inevitably people will assume that their race is superior to other ones.

everyone within that community seems to have different ideas. The single one that you picked out cant represent all of them, seeing as most groups within that community cannot get along with each other. If stormfront wasnt so heavily moderated you'd see them bickering at each other.

I dont think individual segregation is bad. for example: a guy never talks to other races/lives in a town that happens to be all white etc.

as long as nobody is trampling on the rights of others. Him not talking to minorities wouldnt hurt them or anyone else.

But then that man will become isolated from other races, and will then therefore never talk to other races -- seperating races will only divide humanity, and will cause strife. Isn't it best for all races to integrate.

If a person chooses to not interact with people of other races then that is there fault. There is no valid reason for seperatism?

There have been some racists with black and jewish parents...

numismatic

Which should show you how stupid this "White Power" stuff is.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] White seperatism is another term to make their racist beliefs sound better.. When at the end of the day they are still racists.X4D

Yes i agree. Racism starts with racialism, the belief that humans can be divided into distinct biological entities called "races". The concept of race stems from the idea that the human species can be naturally subdivided into biologically distinct groups. In practice, however, scientists have found it impossible to seperate humans into clearly defined races. Most scientists today reject the concept of biological race and instead see human biological variation as falling along a continuum. In other words, human variation is patterned and not discrete like in dogs or mice.

Here's a source for you....

"A triangle plot showing the clustering of 210 unrelated HapMap individuals assuming three ancestral populations (k = 3). The proximity of an individual to each apex of the triangle indicates the proportion of that genome that is estimated to have ancestry in each of the three inferred ancestral populations. The clustering together of most individuals from the same population near a common apex indicates the clear discrimination between populations obtained through this analysis. The clustering was qualitatively similar to that obtained previously with a similar number of biallelic Alu insertion polymorphisms on different African, European and Asian population samples." link

Scientists can accurately determine your sub-species ****fication right down to the percentage of African, European, or Asian ancestry. To say otherwise without at least providing a source that isn't 10 years old is ... ignorant.

[QUOTE="numismatic"]

There have been some racists with black and jewish parents...

-Austin-

Which should show you how stupid this "White Power" stuff is.

That it is, but that aside. I feel that if you feel that you can't live with other races and the only way that you want to live is in a whites only town then so be it. I am not happy about it but as long as you are not spouting hate speech or trampling on the rights of others because of your believes then find one of many towns in America that is majority white or white only and enjoy yourself.

But seperatism is based on the concept that the races of humanity are inherently, largely different --which is wrong, seperatism will lead to racial wars and the such.

And with the notion that races are different, ultimately racism will appear -- as inevitably people will assume that their race is superior to other ones.

MetalGear_Ninty

This is the primary reason but there is another reason. White seperatists claim that their seperatism would not lead to oppression of other races. But that argument is flawed because if whites had their seperate state and territory blacks would not have access to the resources of that territory. And given the fact that whites are financially better than blacks, it will be to blacks' disadvantage and will ultimately lead to their oppression. This already happened in Brazil where there is some evidence of a social segregation in which the poor are more likely to be black or of mixed race.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_apartheid_in_Brazil

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

[QUOTE="X4D"]White seperatism is the belief that whites should live in seperate nations and territory than blacks. White seperatists want white people to control their own destiny in the territory they inhabit. They also against interacial mixing. They say that whites should not marry blacks and that interracial mixing is hindering white survival. They claim that if they lived in an all-white nation, there would be no need, desire or for that matter, ability, to oppress people of any other race. In Stormfront for example, the white seperatists claim that blacks are less intelligent than whites and are worse off if separated from whites. MetalGear_Ninty

white seperatism is equally strong about black seperatism. ive talked to some of the people (and that dosent mean flaming stormfront) and a lot of them dont seem to hate anyone, they just want to live away from them. some of them think white people shouldnt live in africa. so at least theyre consistant sort of.

however, if thats what they want then optional segregation isnt such a bad thing.

most modern seperatists dont actually hate blacks.

that being said, i wouldnt call myself one.

But seperatism is based on the concept that the races of humanity are inherently, largely different --which is wrong, seperatism will lead to racial wars and the such.

And with the notion that races are different, ultimately racism will appear -- as inevitably people will assume that their race is superior to other ones.

everyone within that community seems to have different ideas. The single one that you picked out cant represent all of them, seeing as most groups within that community cannot get along with each other. If stormfront wasnt so heavily moderated you'd see them bickering at each other.

I dont think individual segregation is bad. for example: a guy never talks to other races/lives in a town that happens to be all white etc.

as long as nobody is trampling on the rights of others. Him not talking to minorities wouldnt hurt them or anyone else.

But then that man will become isolated from other races, and will then therefore never talk to other races -- seperating races will only divide humanity, and will cause strife. Isn't it best for all races to integrate.

If a person chooses to not interact with people of other races then that is there fault. There is no valid reason for seperatism?

yeah well sorry but its his right as an individual and theres nothing you can do to stop him. Just because YOU may want to be in a multi cultural society does not mean others want to.

so if all they do is seperate themselves, thats better than having some silly ass race war.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="numismatic"]

There have been some racists with black and jewish parents...

numismatic

Which should show you how stupid this "White Power" stuff is.

That it is, but that aside. I feel that if you feel that you can't live with other races and the only way that you want to live is in a whites only town then so be it. I am not happy about it but as long as you are not spouting hate speech or trampling on the rights of others because of your believes then find one of many towns in America that is majority white or white only and enjoy yourself.

No intelligent person would have to move just because there are some African-Americans or Hispanics in there town. Just think of how stupid that sounds.

Notice all of the people in the Klan and in Neo-Nazi orginazations have lower IQs than almost any minority. Why do you think the klan wears dunce caps?

[QUOTE="numismatic"]

There have been some racists with black and jewish parents...

-Austin-

Which should show you how stupid this "White Power" stuff is.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]But seperatism is based on the concept that the races of humanity are inherently, largely different --which is wrong, seperatism will lead to racial wars and the such.

And with the notion that races are different, ultimately racism will appear -- as inevitably people will assume that their race is superior to other ones.

X4D

This is the primary reason but there is another reason. White seperatists claim that their seperatism would not lead to oppression of other races. But that argument is flawed because if whites had their seperate state and territory blacks would not have access to the resources of that territory. And given the fact that whites are financially better than blacks, it will be to blacks' disadvantage and will ultimately lead to their oppression. This already happened in Brazil where there is some evidence of a social segregation in which the poor are more likely to be black or of mixed race.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_apartheid_in_Brazil

In the last 500 plus years when has that not been the case? Not all white people believe in race separation and the people that will likely found this new whites only nation are going to be the ill educated and poor whites who post on sites like stormfront. I know that it might not seem like it to the ignorant but America is sitll extremely good to whites, as is the world in general. Generally the only people who make the racists believes known for the world to see are those who fail to take advantage of being white and life in general.

The funny thing here is, America was founded as a White nation. It's right there in the naturalization act of 1790. Immigrants are restricted to "free white persons of good moral character".

The funny thing here is, America was founded as a White nation. It's right there in the naturalization act of 1790. Immigrants are restricted to "free white persons of good moral character".

SIapshot

eh, george washington for example didnt even want slavery. they just needed the south (and when I say south, I mean the few powerful slave owners that actually existed)

if we went by the definition of white then, only English and North Germans would be considered white. Ben Franklin had some quote ive read a few times (even posted it here) talking about how anyone outside of england and germany cannot get their complexion and cant be considered white etc etc.

The funny thing here is, America was founded as a White nation. It's right there in the naturalization act of 1790. Immigrants are restricted to "free white persons of good moral character".

SIapshot

Ok David Duke :roll:

A peice of legislation from the 1700s has obviously been updated. Limiting the race of immigrants is clearly an outdated concept.

The funny thing here is, America was founded as a White nation. It's right there in the naturalization act of 1790. Immigrants are restricted to "free white persons of good moral character".

SIapshot

Um, where in the constitution does it say this? The founding fathers left the cornerstone documenation vague enough to be inclusive. Immigration acts in the U.S. have been anything but especially taking into account the chinese exclusion acts of the late 19th century but immigration acts are not the foundations of this great nation of ours. Slapshot it was cute that you could read and comprehend stuff like basic genetics to argue that Race is real, but to transition that into saying that America is whites only nation is epic fail on your part. I don't deny that race exists but you can hardly tell by judging on skin color only. Africa is an admixture of races from those that are white in the north to the blacks in the south. As is the continent of Asia which includes the middle east, not to mention south east asia with its small negrito population in places like Australia, Thailand, and Papua New Guinea.

[QUOTE="SIapshot"]

The funny thing here is, America was founded as a White nation. It's right there in the naturalization act of 1790. Immigrants are restricted to "free white persons of good moral character".

numismatic

Um, where in the constitution does it say this? The founding fathers left the cornerstone documenation vague enough to be inclusive. Immigration acts in the U.S. have been anything but especially taking into account the chinese exclusion acts of the late 19th century but immigration acts are not the foundations of this great nation of ours.

He never said it was in the constitution

racism is bad.

What about brown people like me? We're always forgotten :lol:X360PS3AMD05

:lol:

[QUOTE="numismatic"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

The funny thing here is, America was founded as a White nation. It's right there in the naturalization act of 1790. Immigrants are restricted to "free white persons of good moral character".

-Austin-

Um, where in the constitution does it say this? The founding fathers left the cornerstone documenation vague enough to be inclusive. Immigration acts in the U.S. have been anything but especially taking into account the chinese exclusion acts of the late 19th century but immigration acts are not the foundations of this great nation of ours.

He never said it was in the constitution

That was my point, our laws aren't made in regards to immigration acts they are made according to the constitution.

[QUOTE="SIapshot"]

The funny thing here is, America was founded as a White nation. It's right there in the naturalization act of 1790. Immigrants are restricted to "free white persons of good moral character".

-Austin-

Ok David Duke :roll:

A peice of legislation from the 1700s has obviously been updated. Limiting the race of immigrants is clearly an outdated concept.