What if God disappeared?

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"] Yet here we are, curious as ever about our world and universe. Gaining knowledge is a gradual process. It took time to develop as we are, both biologically and scientifically.Famiking

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"] I can't agree with you that religion made us more socially advanced. Humans are social creatures with or without religion. In the absence of religion, I find it hard to believe that we still would not develop language and social ties with others of the same species. This is evident in many wild environments.Famiking

so you can say religion caused people to stop fighting less?? are you kidding me :lol:

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"] I can't agree with you that religion made us more socially advanced. Humans are social creatures with or without religion. In the absence of religion, I find it hard to believe that we still would not develop language and social ties with others of the same species. This is evident in many wild environments.Famiking

Absolutely. That is why it has progressed.

MotherSuperior

Besides, you are referring to an AD invention, when religion had already advanced social morals, it's not fair to reference the telescope when talking about scientific progress 2 million years ago

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="MotherSuperior"] I can't agree with you that religion made us more socially advanced. Humans are social creatures with or without religion. In the absence of religion, I find it hard to believe that we still would not develop language and social ties with others of the same species. This is evident in many wild environments.MotherSuperior

Religion also helps drive a wedge between people. Look at the middle eastern terrorists who see us as infidels, unwilling to accept us and our ways, so they think the best course of action is to wipe us off the face of the planet.

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"] Absolutely. That is why it has progressed.

Famiking

Besides, you are referring to an AD invention, when religion had already advanced social morals, it's not fair to reference the telescope when talking about scientific progress 2 million years ago

so you can say religion caused people to stop fighting less?? are you kidding me :lol:

XD4NTESINF3RNOX

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"] Absolutely. That is why it has progressed.

Famiking

Besides, you are referring to an AD invention, when religion had already advanced social morals, it's not fair to reference the telescope when talking about scientific progress 2 million years ago

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"][QUOTE="Famiking"] I think you are mistaken - humans back then are much more hostile then then we are now. Heck, if another human got near another clans territory, they'd get killed.Raikoh_

Religion also helps drive a wedge between people. Look at the middle eastern terrorists who see us as infidels, unwilling to accept us and our ways, so they think the best course of action is to wipe us off the face of the planet.

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"][QUOTE="Famiking"] I believe it was technological advancement and then atheism.Famiking

But, when was religion introduced?

Religion also helps drive a wedge between people. Look at the middle eastern terrorists who see us as infidels, unwilling to accept us and our ways, so they think the best course of action is to wipe us off the face of the planet.

Raikoh_

so we are advancing to please god and get closer to him ??? i really fail to see you're point garaa2007

[QUOTE="Raikoh_"]

Religion also helps drive a wedge between people. Look at the middle eastern terrorists who see us as infidels, unwilling to accept us and our ways, so they think the best course of action is to wipe us off the face of the planet.

Famiking

so we are advancing to please god and get closer to him ??? i really fail to see you're point garaa2007

I believe that religion has its ups and downs. Religion is both good and bad, as it is said it has bound us i believe but i don't think it has beencompleteley bad. IF it wasn't for religion then how would we even know that some things have happened? Religion gives us new ideas to explore thus advancing society, but as it has been said it holds back the advancement because of wars but think about the war in iraq it began because of a act of terrorism and i fail to see any religion being brought up as far as starting the war. OF course we have our different beliefs but it was the fact that they attacked us that began the war. Maybe if we would have stopped to think what we have done to anger them or even asked there problems with us no war would have happened so don't try to blame war and not advancing scientifically on reiligion because it has also been man's stupidity. I believe that the atheiests aren't looking at this from both sides and only from their side and this is what compell's garra to post the way he does he needs to look at it from all sides as well as everyone else.

But, when was religion introduced?

chessmaster1989

so i guess your the all knowing messiah about religion then huh?XD4NTESINF3RNOX

so we are advancing to please god and get closer to him ??? i really fail to see you're point garaa2007

first of all religion slowed down science as early Christians used to kill scientists , and lets just say that religion actually is advancing us , what does that prove ?? i don't think that proves gods existence

That is precisely the idea. Technology solves problems, and problems come and go. Technology evolves and progresses. We started out making weapons out of bone and rock, then metal and other items. We started out not knowing a damn thing about bacteria but solved that problem by creating microscopes and medicines. It is our never ending curiosity and quest for solutions that spurs technological advancement.

MotherSuperior

We're talking about millions of years ago.

Famiking

And when exactly was religion introduced? I doubt millions of years ago when man first arrived on the scene and started making tools, they had god(s) in mind.

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"]That is precisely the idea. Technology solves problems, and problems come and go. Technology evolves and progresses. We started out making weapons out of bone and rock, then metal and other items. We started out not knowing a damn thing about bacteria but solved that problem by creating microscopes and medicines. It is our never ending curiosity and quest for solutions that spurs technological advancement.

Famiking

are you serious ? there are no middle eastern terrorists and they dont actually see us as infidels , thats another example of religion serving rulers garaa2007

This doesn't make any sense at all.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

But, when was religion introduced?

Famiking

so i guess your the all knowing messiah about religion then huh?XD4NTESINF3RNOX

As i said before war is started by many things not just religion and guys truthfully Fami knows his stuff getting into an argument with him may not be the best idea.

the world would be better i assume, as many civilizations faught over religion and gods in like 1000 bc. If civilizations didn't fight and were more united as a hole they would have advanced alot quicker.

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"]That is precisely the idea. Technology solves problems, and problems come and go. Technology evolves and progresses. We started out making weapons out of bone and rock, then metal and other items. We started out not knowing a damn thing about bacteria but solved that problem by creating microscopes and medicines. It is our never ending curiosity and quest for solutions that spurs technological advancement.

Famiking

first of all religion slowed down science as early Christians used to kill scientists , and lets just say that religion actually is advancing us , what does that prove ?? i don't think that proves gods existence

garaa2007

[QUOTE="garaa2007"] are you serious ? there are no middle eastern terrorists and they dont actually see us as infidels , thats another example of religion serving rulers Raikoh_

This doesn't make any sense at all.

[QUOTE="garaa2007"]first of all religion slowed down science as early Christians used to kill scientists , and lets just say that religion actually is advancing us , what does that prove ?? i don't think that proves gods existence

Famiking

i wish i could explain it to you , but dont believe what you see on tv garaa2007

It's a good thing I don't watch a lot of TV then, let alone the news. The facts don't lie. The sole purpose of terrorism is striking out and causing fear. You can't actually say they slammed two planes into buildings for the fun of it. They didn't detonate that bomb in that train in London because someone was dared into doing it. They obviously had some goal in mind when performing these acts.

If anything they're just victims to their beliefs.

[QUOTE="XD4NTESINF3RNOX"] how are we united?!? there are separate religions like Christianity, Catholicism, Buddhism, Islamic, etc how does this mean were united?Famiking

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The only thing atheists have in common is their lack of belief in gods. There are no positive beliefs or attitudes which can be assumed on the part of all atheists.

fromanarticle

If this is all that isin common then these people will eventually become enemys. So religion will unite people more than atheism which will make them eventually become enemys.

[QUOTE="garaa2007"]i wish i could explain it to you , but dont believe what you see on tv Raikoh_

It's a good thing I don't watch a lot of TV then, let alone the news. The facts don't lie. The sole purpose of terrorism is striking out and causing fear. You can't actually say they slammed two planes into buildings for the fun of it. They didn't detonate that bomb in that train in London because someone was dared into doing it. They obviously had some goal in mind when performing these acts.

If anything they're just victims to their beliefs.

The only thing atheists have in common is their lack of belief in gods. There are no positive beliefs or attitudes which can be assumed on the part of all atheists. If this is all that isin common then these people will eventually become enemys. So religion will unite people more than atheism which will make them eventually become enemys.

Link334

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="XD4NTESINF3RNOX"] how are we united?!? there are separate religions like Christianity, Catholicism, Buddhism, Islamic, etc how does this mean were united?MotherSuperior

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If there was no religion then many goals would never exist also and some languages may have also been lost.

The only thing atheists have in common is their lack of belief in gods. There are no positive beliefs or attitudes which can be assumed on the part of all atheists. If this is all that isin common then these people will eventually become enemys. So religion will unite people more than atheism which will make them eventually become enemys.

Link334

The only thing atheists have in common is their lack of belief in gods. There are no positive beliefs or attitudes which can be assumed on the part of all atheists. If this is all that isin common then these people will eventually become enemys. So religion will unite people more than atheism which will make them eventually become enemys.

Link334

That doesn't make sense though. Just because two people believe in one god, doesn't mean they're going to unite. If two groups disagree, there's a chance they will become enemies with each other, regardless of their beliefs.

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"]

[QUOTE="Famiking"] It doesn't work that way. Say you have 5 Christians, these 5 Christians are much more likely to be friends no matter what year it is. If you have 5 christian clans, they have reasons to be allies, they might turn into one clan OR they may continue to be enemies. With 5 atheists, it can go either way, enemy or friends. In 2009, they are more likely to be friends. 2 million years ago it would more than likely be the opposite. If you have 5 atheist clans, they would be enemies.Link334

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If there was no religion then many goals would never exist also and some languages may have also been lost.

do you realize that those were inside jobs , let me put it to you this way , the U.S attacked it self , blamed the muslims in the middle east for it , result : excuse to enter the war and have all the oil supply the u.s will ever need , im staying in Dubai now i think i would know if there were terrorists garaa2007

It's a good thing I was expecting you to pull a conspiracy theory out of your ass.

The only excuse we used to enter war was the apparent WMD's Iraq apparently had.

How can you make this assumption? There are many disagreements between Christians, even today. A common language and goal is the determining factor that would allow clans to possibly negotiate and combine forces. Similar religious beliefs would only be a secondary reason, at best, to associate yourself with the enemy.

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MotherSuperior

In simple terms:

1 Protestant clan and 1 Catholic clan = Fight.

1 Atheist and another Atheist clan = Fight.

2 Catholic clans = Allies.

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"]How can you make this assumption? There are many disagreements between Christians, even today. A common language and goal is the determining factor that would allow clans to possibly negotiate and combine forces. Similar religious beliefs would only be a secondary reason, at best, to associate yourself with the enemy.

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Famiking

In simple terms:

1 Protestant clan and 1 Catholic clan = Fight.

1 Atheist and another Atheist clan = Fight.

2 Catholic clans = Allies.

[QUOTE="Link334"]

The only thing atheists have in common is their lack of belief in gods. There are no positive beliefs or attitudes which can be assumed on the part of all atheists. If this is all that isin common then these people will eventually become enemys. So religion will unite people more than atheism which will make them eventually become enemys.

MotherSuperior

[QUOTE="garaa2007"]do you realize that those were inside jobs , let me put it to you this way , the U.S attacked it self , blamed the muslims in the middle east for it , result : excuse to enter the war and have all the oil supply the u.s will ever need , im staying in Dubai now i think i would know if there were terrorists Raikoh_

It's a good thing I was expecting you to pull a conspiracy theory out of your ass.

The only excuse we used to enter war was the apparent WMD's Iraq apparently had.

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"]How can you make this assumption? There are many disagreements between Christians, even today. A common language and goal is the determining factor that would allow clans to possibly negotiate and combine forces. Similar religious beliefs would only be a secondary reason, at best, to associate yourself with the enemy.

EDITED for grammar.

Famiking

In simple terms:

1 Protestant clan and 1 Catholic clan = Fight.

1 Atheist and another Atheist clan = Fight.

2 Catholic clans = Allies.