What is abiogenesis?

living matter from non living matter. There are many theories of how but none have overwhelming evidence.

A lot of people mistake it as living things out of nowwhere which is not what scientists are saying.
C_Town_Soul

so abiogenesis is impossible...

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]living matter from non living matter. There are many theories of how but none have overwhelming evidence.

A lot of people mistake it as living things out of nowwhere which is not what scientists are saying.
battlefront23

so abiogenesis is impossible...

nonliving matter coming to life

which is NEVER going to happen

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]living matter from non living matter. There are many theories of how but none have overwhelming evidence.

A lot of people mistake it as living things out of nowwhere which is not what scientists are saying.
battlefront23

so abiogenesis is impossible...

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]living matter from non living matter. There are many theories of how but none have overwhelming evidence.

A lot of people mistake it as living things out of nowwhere which is not what scientists are saying.
C_Town_Soul

so abiogenesis is impossible...

But how can something coem from nothing... there is nothing to start with... NOTHING... so I don't understand...

The theory that some how none living matter gave life.

Basically says that we are from a rock billions of years ago that leaked some primordial soup and somehow that made life how it is. Then through random mistakes (mutations) it leads up to Evolution.

Basically thats it.

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]living matter from non living matter. There are many theories of how but none have overwhelming evidence.

A lot of people mistake it as living things out of nowwhere which is not what scientists are saying.
battlefront23

so abiogenesis is impossible...

But how can something coem from nothing... there is nothing to start with... NOTHING... so I don't understand...

The theory that some how none living matter gave life.

Basically says that we are from a rock billions of years ago that leaked some primordial soup and somehow that made life how it is. Then through random mistakes (mutations) it leads up to Evolution.

Basically thats it.

123625

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]living matter from non living matter. There are many theories of how but none have overwhelming evidence.

A lot of people mistake it as living things out of nowwhere which is not what scientists are saying.
battlefront23

so abiogenesis is impossible...

Far from it... although now you see just what the intelligent design debate is actually about.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]living matter from non living matter. There are many theories of how but none have overwhelming evidence.

A lot of people mistake it as living things out of nowwhere which is not what scientists are saying.
C_Town_Soul

so abiogenesis is impossible...

But how can something coem from nothing... there is nothing to start with... NOTHING... so I don't understand...

Don't change the subject. God could of put life here with energy! ever think of that? I mean if hes god he ceratianly would have alot of energy. and we all know energy can make matter. Don't change the subject.

[QUOTE="123625"]

The theory that some how none living matter gave life.

Basically says that we are from a rock billions of years ago that leaked some primordial soup and somehow that made life how it is. Then through random mistakes (mutations) it leads up to Evolution.

Basically thats it.

C_Town_Soul

Well what else would of been around billions of years ago? Rocks?

Abiogensis = non life gave life

a rock is non life thus it could happen. And if a rock wasnt where this soup came from, what non living material did it come from? Nothing?

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]living matter from non living matter. There are many theories of how but none have overwhelming evidence.

A lot of people mistake it as living things out of nowwhere which is not what scientists are saying.
123625

so abiogenesis is impossible...

But how can something coem from nothing... there is nothing to start with... NOTHING... so I don't understand...

Don't change the subject. God could of put life here with energy! ever think of that? I mean if hes god he ceratianly would have alot of energy. and we all know energy can make matter. Don't change the subject.

Anyway if god could have put life here on earth, you wouldn't believe it. Why? Because energy is non living like "rocks" as you like to say and therefore according to you, life can't come from non living things :|:|:|:|:|:|:|

But how can something coem from nothing... there is nothing to start with... NOTHING... so I don't understand...

battlefront23

Chemicals are something, not nothing. If you're talking about the Big Bang, that's not nothing either. Make Creationist history and do some research.

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="123625"]

The theory that some how none living matter gave life.

Basically says that we are from a rock billions of years ago that leaked some primordial soup and somehow that made life how it is. Then through random mistakes (mutations) it leads up to Evolution.

Basically thats it.

123625

Well what else would of been around billions of years ago? Rocks?

Abiogensis = non life gave life

a rock is non life thus it could happen.

...it's impossible

nothing is going to happen if you just put the right chemicals together. it's not gonna be alive.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]living matter from non living matter. There are many theories of how but none have overwhelming evidence.

A lot of people mistake it as living things out of nowwhere which is not what scientists are saying.
C_Town_Soul

so abiogenesis is impossible...

But how can something coem from nothing... there is nothing to start with... NOTHING... so I don't understand...

Don't change the subject. God could of put life here with energy! ever think of that? I mean if hes god he ceratianly would have alot of energy. and we all know energy can make matter. Don't change the subject.

Anyway if god could have put life here on earth, you wouldn't believe it. Why? Because energy is non living like "rocks" as you like to say and therefore according to you, life can't come from non living things :|:|:|:|:|:|:|

if matter can neither be CREATED or destroyed, something had to have started it... and a god starting it seems better then nothing starting everything... why do you think the bible makes statements the Alpha and Omega millions of times...

matter can neither be created nor destroyed. Read the laws of thermodynamics. I wasn't changing the subject; I don't know why you think that because this thread is about the beginning of life on earth

Anyway if god could have put life here on earth, you wouldn't believe it. Why? Because energy is non living like "rocks" as you like to say and therefore according to you, life can't come from non living things :|:|:|:|:|:|:|

C_Town_Soul

Obviously you don't know that god is all powerful :roll: (not saying its ture just my beleif) And if he is all powerful he can do whatever he likes. hes not bound by our physics (He made the rules!). This is not a discussion on god, do not change the subject. you are avoiding.

...it's impossible

nothing is going to happen if you just put the right chemicals together. it's not gonna be alive.

Revinh

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]living matter from non living matter. There are many theories of how but none have overwhelming evidence.

A lot of people mistake it as living things out of nowwhere which is not what scientists are saying.
battlefront23

so abiogenesis is impossible...

But how can something coem from nothing... there is nothing to start with... NOTHING... so I don't understand...

Don't change the subject. God could of put life here with energy! ever think of that? I mean if hes god he ceratianly would have alot of energy. and we all know energy can make matter. Don't change the subject.

Anyway if god could have put life here on earth, you wouldn't believe it. Why? Because energy is non living like "rocks" as you like to say and therefore according to you, life can't come from non living things :|:|:|:|:|:|:|

if matter can neither be CREATED or destroyed, something had to have started it... and a god starting it seems better then nothing starting everything... why do you think the bible makes statements the Alpha and Omega millions of times...

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="123625"]

The theory that some how none living matter gave life.

Basically says that we are from a rock billions of years ago that leaked some primordial soup and somehow that made life how it is. Then through random mistakes (mutations) it leads up to Evolution.

Basically thats it.

C_Town_Soul

Well what else would of been around billions of years ago? Rocks?

Abiogensis = non life gave life

a rock is non life thus it could happen.

But single celled organisms are life. That must of mean they came from somewhere. and according to abiogenesis they came form a rock.

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]matter can neither be created nor destroyed. Read the laws of thermodynamics. I wasn't changing the subject; I don't know why you think that because this thread is about the beginning of life on earth

Anyway if god could have put life here on earth, you wouldn't believe it. Why? Because energy is non living like "rocks" as you like to say and therefore according to you, life can't come from non living things :|:|:|:|:|:|:|

123625

Obviously you don't know that god is all powerful :roll: (not saying its ture just my beleif) And if he is all powerful he can do whatever he likes. hes not bound by our physics (He made the rules!). This is not a discussion on god, do not change the subject. you are avoiding.

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="123625"]

The theory that some how none living matter gave life.

Basically says that we are from a rock billions of years ago that leaked some primordial soup and somehow that made life how it is. Then through random mistakes (mutations) it leads up to Evolution.

Basically thats it.

123625

Well what else would of been around billions of years ago? Rocks?

Abiogensis = non life gave life

a rock is non life thus it could happen.

But single celled organisms are life. That must of mean they came from somewhere. and according to abiogenesis they came form a rock.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]living matter from non living matter. There are many theories of how but none have overwhelming evidence.

A lot of people mistake it as living things out of nowwhere which is not what scientists are saying.
C_Town_Soul

so abiogenesis is impossible...

But how can something coem from nothing... there is nothing to start with... NOTHING... so I don't understand...

Don't change the subject. God could of put life here with energy! ever think of that? I mean if hes god he ceratianly would have alot of energy. and we all know energy can make matter. Don't change the subject.

Anyway if god could have put life here on earth, you wouldn't believe it. Why? Because energy is non living like "rocks" as you like to say and therefore according to you, life can't come from non living things :|:|:|:|:|:|:|

if matter can neither be CREATED or destroyed, something had to have started it... and a god starting it seems better then nothing starting everything... why do you think the bible makes statements the Alpha and Omega millions of times...

You don't have any evidence that the universe always existed...

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]living matter from non living matter. There are many theories of how but none have overwhelming evidence.

A lot of people mistake it as living things out of nowwhere which is not what scientists are saying.
C_Town_Soul

so abiogenesis is impossible...

But how can something coem from nothing... there is nothing to start with... NOTHING... so I don't understand...

Don't change the subject. God could of put life here with energy! ever think of that? I mean if hes god he ceratianly would have alot of energy. and we all know energy can make matter. Don't change the subject.

Anyway if god could have put life here on earth, you wouldn't believe it. Why? Because energy is non living like "rocks" as you like to say and therefore according to you, life can't come from non living things :|:|:|:|:|:|:|

if matter can neither be CREATED or destroyed, something had to have started it... and a god starting it seems better then nothing starting everything... why do you think the bible makes statements the Alpha and Omega millions of times...

Once again we are not discussing god, (can you read?) And you seem to forget that my god is all powerful :roll: according to my beleifs, he can do whatever he wants, hes not bound by anything.

Stop changing the discussion.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]living matter from non living matter. There are many theories of how but none have overwhelming evidence.

A lot of people mistake it as living things out of nowwhere which is not what scientists are saying.
C_Town_Soul

so abiogenesis is impossible...

but someone had to create the life...

[QUOTE="Revinh"]

...it's impossible

nothing is going to happen if you just put the right chemicals together. it's not gonna be alive.

SolidSnake35

But has He ever been disproven? (the sig is so... amazing)

no they came from non-living chemicals.C_Town_Soul

what were these non living chemicals apart of? were they just plops of goo on the ground?

according to abiogenesis they came form a rock.123625

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]living matter from non living matter. There are many theories of how but none have overwhelming evidence.

A lot of people mistake it as living things out of nowwhere which is not what scientists are saying.
123625

so abiogenesis is impossible...

But how can something coem from nothing... there is nothing to start with... NOTHING... so I don't understand...

Don't change the subject. God could of put life here with energy! ever think of that? I mean if hes god he ceratianly would have alot of energy. and we all know energy can make matter. Don't change the subject.

Anyway if god could have put life here on earth, you wouldn't believe it. Why? Because energy is non living like "rocks" as you like to say and therefore according to you, life can't come from non living things :|:|:|:|:|:|:|

if matter can neither be CREATED or destroyed, something had to have started it... and a god starting it seems better then nothing starting everything... why do you think the bible makes statements the Alpha and Omega millions of times...

Once again we are not discussing god, (can you read?) And you seem to forget that my god is all powerful :roll: according to my beleifs, he can do whatever he wants, hes not bound by anything.

Stop changing the discussion.

[QUOTE="123625"]according to abiogenesis they came form a rock.SolidSnake35

You are using common decpeption and nothing more, i explained what it was in that same post you seemed to of "editited"

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]no they came from non-living chemicals.123625

what were these non living chemicals apart of? were they just plops of goo on the ground?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

...it's impossible

nothing is going to happen if you just put the right chemicals together. it's not gonna be alive.

battlefront23

But has He ever been disproven? (the sig is so... amazing)

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]living matter from non living matter. There are many theories of how but none have overwhelming evidence.

A lot of people mistake it as living things out of nowwhere which is not what scientists are saying.
battlefront23

so abiogenesis is impossible...

But how can something coem from nothing... there is nothing to start with... NOTHING... so I don't understand...

Don't change the subject. God could of put life here with energy! ever think of that? I mean if hes god he ceratianly would have alot of energy. and we all know energy can make matter. Don't change the subject.

Anyway if god could have put life here on earth, you wouldn't believe it. Why? Because energy is non living like "rocks" as you like to say and therefore according to you, life can't come from non living things :|:|:|:|:|:|:|

if matter can neither be CREATED or destroyed, something had to have started it... and a god starting it seems better then nothing starting everything... why do you think the bible makes statements the Alpha and Omega millions of times...

You don't have any evidence that the universe always existed...

"something didnt have to start matter if it always existed"

Who else could you be talking about other than god?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="123625"]according to abiogenesis they came form a rock.123625

You are using common decpeption and nothing more, i explained what it was in that same post you seemed to of "editited"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_life#Origin_of_organic_molecules

If you're interested, wiki has a decent article on it.

Basically it's life coming from non living materials, scientists are currently trying to figure out how this happened on the early earth and thus far have shown that organic molecules have formed spontaneously, several models have been formed, just google it if you're interested.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]living matter from non living matter. There are many theories of how but none have overwhelming evidence.

A lot of people mistake it as living things out of nowwhere which is not what scientists are saying.
C_Town_Soul

so abiogenesis is impossible...

But how can something coem from nothing... there is nothing to start with... NOTHING... so I don't understand...

Don't change the subject. God could of put life here with energy! ever think of that? I mean if hes god he ceratianly would have alot of energy. and we all know energy can make matter. Don't change the subject.

Anyway if god could have put life here on earth, you wouldn't believe it. Why? Because energy is non living like "rocks" as you like to say and therefore according to you, life can't come from non living things :|:|:|:|:|:|:|

if matter can neither be CREATED or destroyed, something had to have started it... and a god starting it seems better then nothing starting everything... why do you think the bible makes statements the Alpha and Omega millions of times...

You don't have any evidence that the universe always existed...

But without proof that the universe has always existed, then abiogenesis can't even be considered true...

"something didnt have to start matter if it always existed"

Who else could you be talking about other than god?

123625

"something didnt have to start matter if it always existed"

Who else could you be talking about other than god?

123625

But without proof that the universe has always existed, then abiogenesis can't even be considered true...

battlefront23

[QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]no they came from non-living chemicals.C_Town_Soul

what were these non living chemicals apart of? were they just plops of goo on the ground?

Why even defend it then if you don't know it completely?

Life can only give life. Non life only gives non life.

[QUOTE="123625"]

"something didnt have to start matter if it always existed"

Who else could you be talking about other than god?

SolidSnake35

If thats the case why did the universe that could of always eixsted feel the need to create matter? it completely contradicts his argument.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

...it's impossible

nothing is going to happen if you just put the right chemicals together. it's not gonna be alive.

SolidSnake35

But has He ever been disproven? (the sig is so... amazing)

I think either way you look at it, there is a lot of faith involved... (and she is so beautiful its not even funny... Hermoine was not supposed to look that good!)

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]no they came from non-living chemicals.123625

what were these non living chemicals apart of? were they just plops of goo on the ground?

Why even defend it then if you don't know it completely?

Life can only give life. Non life only gives non life.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]no they came from non-living chemicals.SolidSnake35

what were these non living chemicals apart of? were they just plops of goo on the ground?

Why even defend it then if you don't know it completely?

Life can only give life. Non life only gives non life.

Same could be said for you though... :P