What is abiogenesis?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]It IS pure story telling. Its evidences are overwhelmingly pathetic.Revinh

Of course. There's overwhelming evidence of his works everywhere. The earth is full of his production.

I don't have to have seen it. Purposeful design is evident in them and that requires a Designer.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]It IS pure story telling. Its evidences are overwhelmingly pathetic.Revinh

Of course. There's overwhelming evidence of his works everywhere. The earth is full of his production.

I don't have to have seen it. Purposeful design is evident in them and that requires a Designer.

[QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]Because you don't see nonliving things becoming alive and "the earth's condition before was different" is a lame excusenotconspiracy

doesn't matter how long it took. we don't see nonliving things becoming alive from some process that started millions of years ago.

but it doesn't mean they'll always be formed right in front of a predator.

so how did bacteria, eucaryotes, amoeba, paramecia survived? they should've been killed once they formed..

[QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]It IS pure story telling. Its evidences are overwhelmingly pathetic.SolidSnake35

Of course. There's overwhelming evidence of his works everywhere. The earth is full of his production.

I don't have to have seen it. Purposeful design is evident in them and that requires a Designer.

hypocritical how?

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]Because you don't see nonliving things becoming alive and "the earth's condition before was different" is a lame excuseRevinh

doesn't matter how long it took. we don't see nonliving things becoming alive from some process that started millions of years ago.

but it doesn't mean they'll always be formed right in front of a predator.

so how did bacteria, eucaryotes, amoeb, paramecia survived? they should've been killed once they formed..

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]It IS pure story telling. Its evidences are overwhelmingly pathetic.Revinh

Of course. There's overwhelming evidence of his works everywhere. The earth is full of his production.

I don't have to have seen it. Purposeful design is evident in them and that requires a Designer.

hypocritical how?

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

123625, your signiture is NOTHING more than an ad hominem attack on charles darwin and people who accept darwinian evolution

im just curious, how old do you believe the earth and the universe to be?

123625

Hey ive seen plenty sigs against god too and my beleifs. I'll leave it there cause i want to. How old do i think the earth and universe to be? I don't know and i will never know untill i die i suppose. So i don't know basically, just like we don't know alot of things.

Cause im allowed to do it... Dude its just a sig expressing somewhat of my views on what science has became. Im entitled to my view, (Not my quote by the way). Please don't start anything you have the right to post whatever you want in your sig and i have mine.

I could really care less about whatever other people think of me. And there is no observation of evolution, we have never seen another animal give birth and that animal is different. Well we have but only varients within the same kind. It doesnt cahnge the animal's kind. just because you precieve me to be unintellegent does that make it so? Wheres your proof? You have none.

No Evolution is not fact don't tell me otherwise. Its theory and speculation with little to show for it. Please don't argue with me saying its fact when even science doesnt classify it with fact, nor try and use another form of science to justify evolution.

You stated "we have never seen another animal give birth to another animal" That right there shows me that you lack basic understanding of how evolution works, and that is likely why you don't believe. In fact if an animal gave birth to an entirely different animal, it would create serious problems for the theory, but that doesn't happen. Evolution is the slow change in the genes of a species that changes depending on what genes are most favored within the environment. For example if an environment a particular species was in began to drop in temperature over the period of a few hundred years, the animals that have genes supporting more fat, and hair would be more likely to survive and thus pass on their genes to offspring which would have similar traits. Over time, if enough genetic changes occur, the previously represented species can be considered an entirely different species.

I keep giving you observable evidence over and over again, but you just keep ignoring it. This is where the perception of you being ignorant or close minded becomes obvious to others, but for sake of argument, I'll mention it again.

There's the

Fossil record

pantadactyl limbs

vesigel structures

redundant dna

junk dna

continental distribution

molecular vairence patterns

ect.

I also don't think you understand what a theory is. A theory is the highest order an idea can obtain in science without being entirely mathematical based. In other words, things like the theory of gravity, atomic theory (theory that atoms exist) and evolutionary theory are the highest orders of science that we can obtain. This occurs through rigorous observation, testing, and data gathering, over and over and over again. A speculation is not based on facts by definition, but evolution is, and thus not speculation.

and evolution is fact by definition because it can be shown to be true. You can either accept that, or live in denial.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

123625, your signiture is NOTHING more than an ad hominem attack on charles darwin and people who accept darwinian evolution

im just curious, how old do you believe the earth and the universe to be?

123625

Hey ive seen plenty sigs against god too and my beleifs. I'll leave it there cause i want to. How old do i think the earth and universe to be? I don't know and i will never know untill i die i suppose. So i don't know basically, just like we don't know alot of things.

Cause im allowed to do it... Dude its just a sig expressing somewhat of my views on what science has became. Im entitled to my view, (Not my quote by the way). Please don't start anything you have the right to post whatever you want in your sig and i have mine.

I could really care less about whatever other people think of me. And there is no observation of evolution, we have never seen another animal give birth and that animal is different. Well we have but only varients within the same kind. It doesnt cahnge the animal's kind. just because you precieve me to be unintellegent does that make it so? Wheres your proof? You have none.

No Evolution is not fact don't tell me otherwise. Its theory and speculation with little to show for it. Please don't argue with me saying its fact when even science doesnt classify it with fact, nor try and use another form of science to justify evolution.

Reading your posts is like taking a ride in the time-travellingmobile back to the 18th century...

Petty insults show nothing on your behalf.

And you misquoting Evolution again and again no matter how many times we explain it is insulting.

Evolution has been observed in bacteria and flies.
There is evidence to back it up in the fossil records
There is evidence to back it up in the study of genetic reproduction
No animal will ever give birth to a new species, there is no such thing as a 'transitional species', they gradually change in to the next over tens of thousands of years. Every animals you see is a transition from the one before it in to the one after it. The changes are slow and minute such that you don't notice it, just like you don't notice yourself growing up every day you look in the mirror.

Natural Selection Made Easy
Evolution Made Easy

Here it is, as simple as I can find so that you understand it. And it answers all your questions and speculations. Evolution is a scientific theory. That means that it is pretty much fact. It is clearly not speculation, everything you and Revinh have argued against it is speculation. Science has backed up its theories, so where is your evidence?

"It doesn't change the animals kind" where's your proof? "Animals only give birth to the same types of animals" is not a valid answer if you watch these videos.

[QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]It IS pure story telling. Its evidences are overwhelmingly pathetic.notconspiracy

Of course. There's overwhelming evidence of his works everywhere. The earth is full of his production.

I don't have to have seen it. Purposeful design is evident in them and that requires a Designer.

The earth shows purposeful design, plants and animals with their unique features and abilities shows intelligent design. your bodily system shows design (skeletal, muscular, nervous,..) shows design. It's evident everywhere..

second, your objection to evolution 123625 is wholly unfounded. you're asking us to provide an instance of an animal giving birth to another animal that is a different species, but this is exactly what evolution predicts wont happen. how many times are we going to have to tell you that before you can understand it?notconspiracy

Still doesnt change the fact that evolution is not fact. Sure there is evidence for it but it is not scientific fact! stop trying to tell me it is.

Guys,lets just end it.They refuse to accept explanations and evidence, lets just drop it.

Revinh is delusional, and 123 is just a confused kid, nothing we say will change they're minds.They are both hopeless.

[QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]It IS pure story telling. Its evidences are overwhelmingly pathetic.SolidSnake35

Of course. There's overwhelming evidence of his works everywhere. The earth is full of his production.

I don't have to have seen it. Purposeful design is evident in them and that requires a Designer.

hypocritical how?

When did I say I don't want to? I said I don't have to to know he did because

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]I wanna see a nonliving thing come to life (not necessarily a rock) Also, stop failing to understand my post. You wouldn't be able to moderate me if I'm highlighting.Revinh

If you want to see something non living come to life, I want to see God create another human from dust.

Well, you wouldn't see that, he already did that before.

However, we don't see life arising from nonliving things, only life from life, so it's more plausible that God formed souls and gave them life. (I meant like 'body' when I said soul.)

What's more plausible? Using observation, evidence, and experimentation, or going with an assumption that directly contradicts all the evidence.

In all cases of science we go with the natural explanation because if there is a natural explanation that fits all the evidence, it makes more sence to go with that than a supernatural explanation with no evidence that relies on unseen and unteachable beings.

Observation? You have observed nonliving things come to life?? WHERE?!?

humans have created the components of life as I've mentioned numerous times, and you'd see if you'd just watch the video.

components of, not life

Guys,lets just end it.They refuse to accept explanations and evidence, lets just drop it.

Revinh is delusional, and 123 is just a confused kid, nothing we say will change they're minds.They are both hopeless.

xxDustmanxx

Please don't call us such things we have not insulted you.

did you go to the website i referred you to revinh? you really should carry on a discussion over there and be destroyed thoroughlynotconspiracy

no, and i don't want to thoroughly destroy people over there

The earth shows purposeful design, plants and animals with their unique features and abilities shows intelligent design. your bodily system shows design (skeletal, muscular, nervous,..) shows design. It's evident everywhere..Revinh

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

123625, your signiture is NOTHING more than an ad hominem attack on charles darwin and people who accept darwinian evolution

im just curious, how old do you believe the earth and the universe to be?

yoshi-lnex

Hey ive seen plenty sigs against god too and my beleifs. I'll leave it there cause i want to. How old do i think the earth and universe to be? I don't know and i will never know untill i die i suppose. So i don't know basically, just like we don't know alot of things.

Cause im allowed to do it... Dude its just a sig expressing somewhat of my views on what science has became. Im entitled to my view, (Not my quote by the way). Please don't start anything you have the right to post whatever you want in your sig and i have mine.

I could really care less about whatever other people think of me. And there is no observation of evolution, we have never seen another animal give birth and that animal is different. Well we have but only varients within the same kind. It doesnt cahnge the animal's kind. just because you precieve me to be unintellegent does that make it so? Wheres your proof? You have none.

No Evolution is not fact don't tell me otherwise. Its theory and speculation with little to show for it. Please don't argue with me saying its fact when even science doesnt classify it with fact, nor try and use another form of science to justify evolution.

You stated "we have never seen another animal give birth to another animal" That right there shows me that you lack basic understanding of how evolution works, and that is likely why you don't believe. In fact if an animal gave birth to an entirely different animal, it would create serious problems for the theory, but that doesn't happen. Evolution is the slow change in the genes of a species that changes depending on what genes are most favored within the environment. For example if an environment a particular species was in began to drop in temperature over the period of a few hundred years, the animals that have genes supporting more fat, and hair would be more likely to survive and thus pass on their genes to offspring which would have similar traits. Over time, if enough genetic changes occur, the previously represented species can be considered an entirely different species.

I keep giving you observable evidence over and over again, but you just keep ignoring it. This is where the perception of you being ignorant or close minded becomes obvious to others, but for sake of argument, I'll mention it again.

There's the

Fossil record

pantadactyl limbs

vesigel structures

redundant dna

junk dna

continental distribution

molecular vairence patterns

ect.

I also don't think you understand what a theory is. A theory is the highest order an idea can obtain in science without being entirely mathematical based. In other words, things like the theory of gravity, atomic theory (theory that atoms exist) and evolutionary theory are the highest orders of science that we can obtain. This occurs through rigorous observation, testing, and data gathering, over and over and over again. A speculation is not based on facts by definition, but evolution is, and thus not speculation.

and evolution is fact by definition because it can be shown to be true. You can either accept that, or live in denial.

Don't forget that scientists actually depend on the evolutionary theory when they're studying antibiotic resistance, crop pests and new diseases.

[QUOTE="Revinh"]The earth shows purposeful design, plants and animals with their unique features and abilities shows intelligent design. your bodily system shows design (skeletal, muscular, nervous,..) shows design. It's evident everywhere..SolidSnake35

God doesnt make mistakes MAN DOES!

When did I say I don't want to? I said I don't have to to know he did becauseRevinh

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Guys,lets just end it.They refuse to accept explanations and evidence, lets just drop it.

Revinh is delusional, and 123 is just a confused kid, nothing we say will change they're minds.They are both hopeless.

123625

Please don't call us such things we have not insulted you.

That's ok, were not the ones who believe nonliving things can come to life and some retarded theory that man came from ape-like ancestors..

Evolution is not a fact. It's insisted as a fact. And people who believe that are either desperate to make it a fact or brainwashed into believing it's a fact by those desperate people..

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]Because you don't see nonliving things becoming alive and "the earth's condition before was different" is a lame excuseRevinh

doesn't matter how long it took. we don't see nonliving things becoming alive from some process that started millions of years ago.

but it doesn't mean they'll always be formed right in front of a predator.

so how did bacteria, eucaryotes, amoeba, paramecia survived? they should've been killed once they formed..

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]The earth shows purposeful design, plants and animals with their unique features and abilities shows intelligent design. your bodily system shows design (skeletal, muscular, nervous,..) shows design. It's evident everywhere..123625

God doesnt make mistakes MAN DOES!

You're changing the subject because you cant defend your own.

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"]second, your objection to evolution 123625 is wholly unfounded. you're asking us to provide an instance of an animal giving birth to another animal that is a different species, but this is exactly what evolution predicts wont happen. how many times are we going to have to tell you that before you can understand it?123625

Still doesnt change the fact that evolution is not fact. Sure there is evidence for it but it is not scientific fact! stop trying to tell me it is.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Guys,lets just end it.They refuse to accept explanations and evidence, lets just drop it.

Revinh is delusional, and 123 is just a confused kid, nothing we say will change they're minds.They are both hopeless.

Revinh

Please don't call us such things we have not insulted you.

That's ok, were not the ones who believe nonliving things can come to life and some retarded theory that man came from ape-like ancestors..

Evolution is not a fact. It's insisted as a fact. And people who believe that are either desperate to make it a fact or brainwashed into believing it's a fact by those desperate people..

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Guys,lets just end it.They refuse to accept explanations and evidence, lets just drop it.

Revinh is delusional, and 123 is just a confused kid, nothing we say will change they're minds.They are both hopeless.

Revinh

Please don't call us such things we have not insulted you.

That's ok, were not the ones who believe nonliving things can come to life and some retarded theory that man came from ape-like ancestors..

Evolution is not a fact. It's insisted as a fact. And people who believe that are either desperate to make it a fact or brainwashed into believing it's a fact by those desperate people..

:lol: Sig worthy...

PS: Solidsnake35, I admire your patience :P

[QUOTE="Revinh"]The earth shows purposeful design, plants and animals with their unique features and abilities shows intelligent design. your bodily system shows design (skeletal, muscular, nervous,..) shows design. It's evident everywhere..SolidSnake35

Um, no. it's nature + the Scriptures

[QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]The earth shows purposeful design, plants and animals with their unique features and abilities shows intelligent design. your bodily system shows design (skeletal, muscular, nervous,..) shows design. It's evident everywhere..SolidSnake35

God doesnt make mistakes MAN DOES!

You're changing the subject because you cant defend your own.

You know nothing about my beleif. Death came by sin, Man was the cause of sin, thus why they are extinct.

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]It IS pure story telling. Its evidences are overwhelmingly pathetic.Revinh

Of course. There's overwhelming evidence of his works everywhere. The earth is full of his production.

I don't have to have seen it. Purposeful design is evident in them and that requires a Designer.

The earth shows purposeful design, plants and animals with their unique features and abilities shows intelligent design. your bodily system shows design (skeletal, muscular, nervous,..) shows design. It's evident everywhere..

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"]second, your objection to evolution 123625 is wholly unfounded. you're asking us to provide an instance of an animal giving birth to another animal that is a different species, but this is exactly what evolution predicts wont happen. how many times are we going to have to tell you that before you can understand it?123625

Still doesnt change the fact that evolution is not fact. Sure there is evidence for it but it is not scientific fact! stop trying to tell me it is.

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"]did you go to the website i referred you to revinh? you really should carry on a discussion over there and be destroyed thoroughlyRevinh

no, and i don't want to thoroughly destroy people over there

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Guys,lets just end it.They refuse to accept explanations and evidence, lets just drop it.

Revinh is delusional, and 123 is just a confused kid, nothing we say will change they're minds.They are both hopeless.

Revinh

Please don't call us such things we have not insulted you.

That's ok, were not the ones who believe nonliving things can come to life and some retarded theory that man came from ape-like ancestors..

Evolution is not a fact. It's insisted as a fact. And people who believe that are either desperate to make it a fact or brainwashed into believing it's a fact by those desperate people..

What makes Intelligent Design a fact? Where is the evidence?

Looking at the world and saying it has purposeful design is just speculation, plain and simple. I can look at the world and say that everything has evolved perfectly to suit its environment with just as much validity, but the theory of Evolution supports my speculation with its scientific evidence.

You're allowed to make assumptions about anything and everything you want without hard evidence and that's all fine and dandy, but scientists with their countless years of study are all wrong. Nice double standard.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]The earth shows purposeful design, plants and animals with their unique features and abilities shows intelligent design. your bodily system shows design (skeletal, muscular, nervous,..) shows design. It's evident everywhere..Revinh

Um, no. it's nature + the Scriptures

[QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Guys,lets just end it.They refuse to accept explanations and evidence, lets just drop it.

Revinh is delusional, and 123 is just a confused kid, nothing we say will change they're minds.They are both hopeless.

jointed

Please don't call us such things we have not insulted you.

That's ok, were not the ones who believe nonliving things can come to life and some retarded theory that man came from ape-like ancestors..

Evolution is not a fact. It's insisted as a fact. And people who believe that are either desperate to make it a fact or brainwashed into believing it's a fact by those desperate people..

:lol: Sig worthy...

PS: Solidsnake35, I admire your patience :P

PLEASE, by all means, put it in a sig!

[QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]The earth shows purposeful design, plants and animals with their unique features and abilities shows intelligent design. your bodily system shows design (skeletal, muscular, nervous,..) shows design. It's evident everywhere..SolidSnake35

Um, no. it's nature + the Scriptures

No, I meant I don't just believe in God because of what I observe in nature, but also because the Bible shows of divine origin, harmonious writings despite 40 different people that penned it from different times and its unfailing prophecies, among others.

You know nothing about my beleif. Death came by sin, Man was the cause of sin, thus why they are extinct.123625

No, I meant I don't just believe in God because of what I observe in nature, but also because the Bible shows of divine origin, harmonious writings despite 40 different people that penned it from different times and its unfailing prophecies, among others.Revinh

[QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Guys,lets just end it.They refuse to accept explanations and evidence, lets just drop it.

Revinh is delusional, and 123 is just a confused kid, nothing we say will change they're minds.They are both hopeless.

Red-XIII

Please don't call us such things we have not insulted you.

That's ok, were not the ones who believe nonliving things can come to life and some retarded theory that man came from ape-like ancestors..

Evolution is not a fact. It's insisted as a fact. And people who believe that are either desperate to make it a fact or brainwashed into believing it's a fact by those desperate people..

What makes Intelligent Design a fact? Where is the evidence?

Looking at the world and saying it has purposeful design is just speculation, plain and simple. I can look at the world and say that everything has evolved perfectly to suit its environment with just as much validity, but the theory of Evolution supports my speculation with its scientific evidence.

You're allowed to make assumptions about anything and everything you want without hard evidence and that's all fine and dandy, but scientists with their countless years of study are all wrong. Nice double standard.

So thinking that the Mona Lisa painting is "purposeful design" is pure speculation?

And I already tried explaining to you that it couldn't have.

God doesnt make mistakes MAN DOES!Revinh

[QUOTE="Revinh"]No, I meant I don't just believe in God because of what I observe in nature, but also because the Bible shows of divine origin, harmonious writings despite 40 different people that penned it from different times and its unfailing prophecies, among others.SolidSnake35

A book inspired by God..

[QUOTE="Revinh"]God doesnt make mistakes MAN DOES!SolidSnake35

I didn't say that, anyway how was that a mistake? And extinction has natural causes.

So thinking that the Mona Lisa painting is "purposeful design" is pure speculation?

And I already tried explaining to you that it couldn't have.

Revinh

[QUOTE="Red-XIII"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Guys,lets just end it.They refuse to accept explanations and evidence, lets just drop it.

Revinh is delusional, and 123 is just a confused kid, nothing we say will change they're minds.They are both hopeless.

Revinh

Please don't call us such things we have not insulted you.

That's ok, were not the ones who believe nonliving things can come to life and some retarded theory that man came from ape-like ancestors..

Evolution is not a fact. It's insisted as a fact. And people who believe that are either desperate to make it a fact or brainwashed into believing it's a fact by those desperate people..

What makes Intelligent Design a fact? Where is the evidence?

Looking at the world and saying it has purposeful design is just speculation, plain and simple. I can look at the world and say that everything has evolved perfectly to suit its environment with just as much validity, but the theory of Evolution supports my speculation with its scientific evidence.

You're allowed to make assumptions about anything and everything you want without hard evidence and that's all fine and dandy, but scientists with their countless years of study are all wrong. Nice double standard.

So thinking that the Mona Lisa painting is "purposeful design" is pure speculation?

And I already tried explaining to you that it couldn't have.

Life is made of replicating organic material.

A painting is not.

You didn't explain anything at all. All you've said is dead matter cannot come to life. Several of us posted the video of how chemicals combine to form proto cells, which you are conveniently ignoring.

Again, Abiogenesis. Even in first minute, it totally dismisses your nonsensical argument about paintings.

Once more, since no one wants to acknowledge it:

"Natural Selection Made Easy
Evolution Made Easy

Here it is, as simple as I can find so that you understand it. And it answers your questions and speculations. Evolution is a scientific theory. That means that it is pretty much fact. It is clearly not speculation, everything you and Revinh have argued against it is speculation. Science has backed up its theories, so where is your evidence?"

[QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]It IS pure story telling. Its evidences are overwhelmingly pathetic.notconspiracy

Of course. There's overwhelming evidence of his works everywhere. The earth is full of his production.

I don't have to have seen it. Purposeful design is evident in them and that requires a Designer.

The earth shows purposeful design, plants and animals with their unique features and abilities shows intelligent design. your bodily system shows design (skeletal, muscular, nervous,..) shows design. It's evident everywhere..

Now that's personal incredulity.

That's like asking how does an HDTV show purposeful design??

[QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="Red-XIII"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Guys,lets just end it.They refuse to accept explanations and evidence, lets just drop it.

Revinh is delusional, and 123 is just a confused kid, nothing we say will change they're minds.They are both hopeless.

Red-XIII

Please don't call us such things we have not insulted you.

That's ok, were not the ones who believe nonliving things can come to life and some retarded theory that man came from ape-like ancestors..

Evolution is not a fact. It's insisted as a fact. And people who believe that are either desperate to make it a fact or brainwashed into believing it's a fact by those desperate people..

What makes Intelligent Design a fact? Where is the evidence?

Looking at the world and saying it has purposeful design is just speculation, plain and simple. I can look at the world and say that everything has evolved perfectly to suit its environment with just as much validity, but the theory of Evolution supports my speculation with its scientific evidence.

You're allowed to make assumptions about anything and everything you want without hard evidence and that's all fine and dandy, but scientists with their countless years of study are all wrong. Nice double standard.

So thinking that the Mona Lisa painting is "purposeful design" is pure speculation?

And I already tried explaining to you that it couldn't have.

Life is made of replicating organic material.

A painting is not.

You didn't explain anything at all. All you've said is dead matter cannot come to life. Several of us posted the video of how chemicals combine to form proto cells, which you are conveniently ignoring.

Again, Abiogenesis. Even in first minute, it totally dismisses your nonsensical argument about paintings.

Once more, since no one wants to acknowledge it:

"Natural Selection Made Easy
Evolution Made Easy

Here it is, as simple as I can find so that you understand it. And it answers your questions and speculations. Evolution is a scientific theory. That means that it is pretty much fact. It is clearly not speculation, everything you and Revinh have argued against it is speculation. Science has backed up its theories, so where is your evidence?"

I explained in the superior thread. (Obviously though, it was pointless.)

Epic thread guys. Once again I am convinced that despite the argument being unresolved Revinh and 123625 have proven that their positions are utterly untenable. I claim a moral victory for the abiogenesis side of the argument.

Oh by the way 123625 good on ya for staying polite through all these arguments, it's a mark of maturity.

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]It IS pure story telling. Its evidences are overwhelmingly pathetic.Revinh

Of course. There's overwhelming evidence of his works everywhere. The earth is full of his production.

I don't have to have seen it. Purposeful design is evident in them and that requires a Designer.

The earth shows purposeful design, plants and animals with their unique features and abilities shows intelligent design. your bodily system shows design (skeletal, muscular, nervous,..) shows design. It's evident everywhere..

Now that's personal incredulity.

That's like asking how does an HDTV show purposeful design??

second, you have not provided a SINGLE piece of tangible evidence for design.

[QUOTE="Revinh"]

So thinking that the Mona Lisa painting is "purposeful design" is pure speculation?

And I already tried explaining to you that it couldn't have.

DeeJayInphinity

Because living things don't abide by "the rules of evolution" either. All that happens is replication. Humans always reproduce humans with slight modification with descent. But they still reproduce humans and they were never anything else. Bees produce bees. Oak trees remain oak trees generations after generations. Humans reproduce humans forever and ever and ever...

[QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]It IS pure story telling. Its evidences are overwhelmingly pathetic.notconspiracy

Of course. There's overwhelming evidence of his works everywhere. The earth is full of his production.

I don't have to have seen it. Purposeful design is evident in them and that requires a Designer.

The earth shows purposeful design, plants and animals with their unique features and abilities shows intelligent design. your bodily system shows design (skeletal, muscular, nervous,..) shows design. It's evident everywhere..

Now that's personal incredulity.

That's like asking how does an HDTV show purposeful design??

second, you have not provided a SINGLE piece of tangible evidence for design.

Yeah, but excluding the replication difference, you're still asking "how" essentially the same way.

[QUOTE="Red-XIII"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="Red-XIII"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Guys,lets just end it.They refuse to accept explanations and evidence, lets just drop it.

Revinh is delusional, and 123 is just a confused kid, nothing we say will change they're minds.They are both hopeless.

Revinh

Please don't call us such things we have not insulted you.

That's ok, were not the ones who believe nonliving things can come to life and some retarded theory that man came from ape-like ancestors..

Evolution is not a fact. It's insisted as a fact. And people who believe that are either desperate to make it a fact or brainwashed into believing it's a fact by those desperate people..

What makes Intelligent Design a fact? Where is the evidence?

Looking at the world and saying it has purposeful design is just speculation, plain and simple. I can look at the world and say that everything has evolved perfectly to suit its environment with just as much validity, but the theory of Evolution supports my speculation with its scientific evidence.

You're allowed to make assumptions about anything and everything you want without hard evidence and that's all fine and dandy, but scientists with their countless years of study are all wrong. Nice double standard.

So thinking that the Mona Lisa painting is "purposeful design" is pure speculation?

And I already tried explaining to you that it couldn't have.

Life is made of replicating organic material.

A painting is not.

You didn't explain anything at all. All you've said is dead matter cannot come to life. Several of us posted the video of how chemicals combine to form proto cells, which you are conveniently ignoring.

Again, Abiogenesis. Even in first minute, it totally dismisses your nonsensical argument about paintings.

Once more, since no one wants to acknowledge it:

"Natural Selection Made Easy
Evolution Made Easy

Here it is, as simple as I can find so that you understand it. And it answers your questions and speculations. Evolution is a scientific theory. That means that it is pretty much fact. It is clearly not speculation, everything you and Revinh have argued against it is speculation. Science has backed up its theories, so where is your evidence?"

I explained in the superior thread. (Obviously though, it was pointless.)

All you've given me is links to your other threads and links to scientists using reverse engineering on modern day animals, as if that somehow is proof of Intelligent Design.

Your 'complex, functional machines show purposeful design' is nonsensical as animals are not machines. You know this and are making inane comparisons.
Complex, functional organisms show efficient adaptation. Nowhere in there is there design. Even then, it is just an inference. An inference is not evidence.

Have you even watched these videos? I don't think you have, because yourself and 123625 keep saying the same incorrect things, which would then just mean you're being ignorant.

What's your next piece of evidence?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]God doesnt make mistakes MAN DOES!Revinh

I didn't say that, anyway how was that a mistake? And extinction has natural causes.

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]It IS pure story telling. Its evidences are overwhelmingly pathetic.Revinh

Of course. There's overwhelming evidence of his works everywhere. The earth is full of his production.

I don't have to have seen it. Purposeful design is evident in them and that requires a Designer.

The earth shows purposeful design, plants and animals with their unique features and abilities shows intelligent design. your bodily system shows design (skeletal, muscular, nervous,..) shows design. It's evident everywhere..

Now that's personal incredulity.

That's like asking how does an HDTV show purposeful design??

second, you have not provided a SINGLE piece of tangible evidence for design.

Yeah, but excluding the replication difference, you're still "how" essentially the same way.

you on the other hand will look at a 5 digit hand and say it must have been designed without any real, tangible evidence for this conclusion