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[QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="luke1889"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="Revinh"]Would you please tell me how you can bring a dead cell to life?jointed

The very wording of that question shows that you do not understand the point of discussion in this thread. "Bringing a dead cell to life" is not at all what we're talking about. :roll:

lol, isn't that abiogenesis? nonliving materials put themselves together and became alive? :roll:

No, "bringing a dead cell to life" as you so badly worded it, is called resurrection. And we all know that cannot happen.

Oh wait... :roll:

Yes, abiogenesis is bringing a dead cell to life, or a cell becoming alive without any source of life.

A cell can't "come to life"...this once against proves that you don't know what you're talking about. The instant you have a cell, you have life.

So a single-celled organism cannot possibly die??

Of course it can...but the same organism can't come back to life again.

LOL that doesn't make any sense!! if they could've formed and became alive, then surely it could somehow also come back to life

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[QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]Because you don't see nonliving things becoming alive and "the earth's condition before was different" is a lame excuseSolidSnake35

These things take millions of years according to the theories. Do you want a rock to morph into a chicken or something?

doesn't matter how long it took. Still, we don't see nonliving things becoming alive from some STEADY process that started millions of years ago.

Because the changes are gradual, and you wouldn't notice. Again, do you want to see living animals popping from rocks that have been simmering in a state of steady progress for the last million years?

What exactly would you like to see? Also, I suggest you stop blank quoting. It'll get you moderated.

I wanna see a nonliving thing come to life (not necessarily a rock)

Also, stop failing to understand my post. You wouldn't be able to moderate me if I'm highlighting.

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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="luke1889"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="Revinh"]Would you please tell me how you can bring a dead cell to life?Revinh

The very wording of that question shows that you do not understand the point of discussion in this thread. "Bringing a dead cell to life" is not at all what we're talking about. :roll:

lol, isn't that abiogenesis? nonliving materials put themselves together and became alive? :roll:

No, "bringing a dead cell to life" as you so badly worded it, is called resurrection. And we all know that cannot happen.

Oh wait... :roll:

Yes, abiogenesis is bringing a dead cell to life, or a cell becoming alive without any source of life.

A cell can't "come to life"...this once against proves that you don't know what you're talking about. The instant you have a cell, you have life.

So a single-celled organism cannot possibly die??

Of course it can...but the same organism can't come back to life again.

LOL that doesn't make any sense!! if they could've formed and became alive, then surely it could somehow also come back to life

No, a cell dies when its membrane is destroy. If a new cell were to form, it would be nothing more than that...a new cell.

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LOL that doesn't make any sense!! if they could've formed and became alive, then surely it could somehow also come back to lifeRevinh
A baby is born alive. Kill it. It won't come back to life. Pretty simple concept, no? Some processes are one way only, and I assume that's the case here.
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[QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]I don't know about that part, but it did say he formed man out of dust. And no, the details for those aren't important compared to much of what it contains.SolidSnake35
How did he form man from dust?

That's a shame. Does he explain anything in detail or is the whole book just set of events, with no explanation whatsoever?

It has a set of historical events, a source of practical wisdom and advice, God's qualities and purpose for mankind and prophecies. It's not a science textbook.

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I wanna see a nonliving thing come to life (not necessarily a rock) Also, stop failing to understand my post. You wouldn't be able to moderate me if I'm highlighting.Revinh
I'm not trying to get you moderated. If i wanted to do that, I'd report and not tell you. Seriously, if you don't add to the discussion, it's disruptive. I can see that you're underlining your post but I don't think that matters. If you think I'm wrong, please continue. If you want to see something non living come to life, I want to see God create another human from dust.
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[QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="luke1889"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="Revinh"]Would you please tell me how you can bring a dead cell to life?jointed

The very wording of that question shows that you do not understand the point of discussion in this thread. "Bringing a dead cell to life" is not at all what we're talking about. :roll:

lol, isn't that abiogenesis? nonliving materials put themselves together and became alive? :roll:

No, "bringing a dead cell to life" as you so badly worded it, is called resurrection. And we all know that cannot happen.

Oh wait... :roll:

Yes, abiogenesis is bringing a dead cell to life, or a cell becoming alive without any source of life.

A cell can't "come to life"...this once against proves that you don't know what you're talking about. The instant you have a cell, you have life.

So a single-celled organism cannot possibly die??

Of course it can...but the same organism can't come back to life again.

LOL that doesn't make any sense!! if they could've formed and became alive, then surely it could somehow also come back to life

No, a cell dies when its membrane is destroy. If a new cell were to form, it would be nothing more than that...a new cell.

A cell that died should somehow reform and come back to life..

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Living matter from non living matter, typically within a specific environment when the conditions are just right.

It is entirely possible, and a valid theory.

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[QUOTE="Revinh"]LOL that doesn't make any sense!! if they could've formed and became alive, then surely it could somehow also come back to lifeSolidSnake35
A baby is born alive. Kill it. It won't come back to life. Pretty simple concept, no? Some processes are one way only, and I assume that's the case here.

We were talking about single-celled organisms..

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that's because life living today would ALWAYS? eat any cells that form today, and the oxygen in our atmosphere would destroy proto cells

Actually, it is accepted now that there was no oxygen in the atmosphere of the primordial Earth. Once again, creationists don't have a grasp on a lot of little important aspects of science.

One hypothesis I learnt in Earth Science is that the Earth originally had no oxygen. The proto cells formed in an environment free of oxygen which meant they didn't die. If you listened to the video by VenomfangX, clearly he has not studied a lot of science and doesn't know what he's talking about.

Oxygen was produced through differentiation of the atmosphere and also through organisms that convert carbon dioxide into oxygen. These types of organisms still exist today in our oceans. After millions/billions of years, there would have been enough oxygen for current forms of life to respirate (evolution allowing for this).

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]I don't know about that part, but it did say he formed man out of dust. And no, the details for those aren't important compared to much of what it contains.Revinh

How did he form man from dust?

That's a shame. Does he explain anything in detail or is the whole book just set of events, with no explanation whatsoever?

It has a set of historical events, a source of practical wisdom and advice, God's qualities and purpose for mankind and prophecies. It's not a science textbook.

So where's the evidence? You demand so much of science yet you have none to offer.
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]Because you don't see nonliving things becoming alive and "the earth's condition before was different" is a lame excuseRevinh

These things take millions of years according to the theories. Do you want a rock to morph into a chicken or something?

doesn't matter how long it took. we don't see nonliving things becoming alive from some process that started millions of years ago.

that's because life living today would ALWAYS? eat any cells that form today, and the oxygen in our atmosphere would destroy proto cells

well, yes, as they would be a good source of organic material for modern cells to break down.
[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

123625, your signiture is NOTHING more than an ad hominem attack on charles darwin and people who accept darwinian evolution

im just curious, how old do you believe the earth and the universe to be?

123625

Hey ive seen plenty sigs against god too and my beleifs. I'll leave it there cause i want to. How old do i think the earth and universe to be? I don't know and i will never know untill i die i suppose. So i don't know basically, just like we don't know alot of things.

so how does people making ad hominems against god give you the right to make ad hominems against darwin or evolutionists?

Cause im allowed to do it... Dude its just a sig expressing somewhat of my views on what science has became. Im entitled to my view, (Not my quote by the way). Please don't start anything you have the right to post whatever you want in your sig and i have mine.

its still an ad hominem

VIVA LA EVOLUCION!

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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="luke1889"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="Revinh"]Would you please tell me how you can bring a dead cell to life?Revinh

The very wording of that question shows that you do not understand the point of discussion in this thread. "Bringing a dead cell to life" is not at all what we're talking about. :roll:

lol, isn't that abiogenesis? nonliving materials put themselves together and became alive? :roll:

No, "bringing a dead cell to life" as you so badly worded it, is called resurrection. And we all know that cannot happen.

Oh wait... :roll:

Yes, abiogenesis is bringing a dead cell to life, or a cell becoming alive without any source of life.

A cell can't "come to life"...this once against proves that you don't know what you're talking about. The instant you have a cell, you have life.

So a single-celled organism cannot possibly die??

Of course it can...but the same organism can't come back to life again.

LOL that doesn't make any sense!! if they could've formed and became alive, then surely it could somehow also come back to life

No, a cell dies when its membrane is destroy. If a new cell were to form, it would be nothing more than that...a new cell.

A cell that died should somehow reform and come back to life..

No?

See, what you're doing now is desperately trying to find errors in the theory, without succes I might add.

Do me a favour, use the same critical thinking on your christian beliefs....

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]LOL that doesn't make any sense!! if they could've formed and became alive, then surely it could somehow also come back to lifeRevinh

A baby is born alive. Kill it. It won't come back to life. Pretty simple concept, no? Some processes are one way only, and I assume that's the case here.

We were talking about single-celled organisms..

My point was that some processes are one way. I believe I said that, did I not?
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its still an ad hominem

VIVA LA EVOLUCION!

notconspiracy

Still... I don't care.

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[QUOTE="Revinh"]I wanna see a nonliving thing come to life (not necessarily a rock) Also, stop failing to understand my post. You wouldn't be able to moderate me if I'm highlighting.SolidSnake35
I'm not trying to get you moderated. If i wanted to do that, I'd report and not tell you. Seriously, if you don't add to the discussion, it's disruptive. I can see that you're underlining your post but I don't think that matters. If you think I'm wrong, please continue.

If you want to see something non living come to life, I want to see God create another human from dust.

Well, you wouldn't see that, he already did that before.

However, we don't see life arising from nonliving things, only life from life, so it's more plausible that God formed souls and gave them life. (I meant like 'body' when I said soul.)

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[QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]LOL that doesn't make any sense!! if they could've formed and became alive, then surely it could somehow also come back to lifeSolidSnake35

A baby is born alive. Kill it. It won't come back to life. Pretty simple concept, no? Some processes are one way only, and I assume that's the case here.

We were talking about single-celled organisms..

My point was that some processes are one way. I believe I said that, did I not?

My point is that we weren't talking about those other processes.

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[QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]I don't know about that part, but it did say he formed man out of dust. And no, the details for those aren't important compared to much of what it contains.SolidSnake35

How did he form man from dust?

That's a shame. Does he explain anything in detail or is the whole book just set of events, with no explanation whatsoever?

It has a set of historical events, a source of practical wisdom and advice, God's qualities and purpose for mankind and prophecies. It's not a science textbook.

So where's the evidence? You demand so much of science yet you have none to offer.

Evidence for what?

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[QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="luke1889"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="Revinh"]Would you please tell me how you can bring a dead cell to life?jointed

The very wording of that question shows that you do not understand the point of discussion in this thread. "Bringing a dead cell to life" is not at all what we're talking about. :roll:

lol, isn't that abiogenesis? nonliving materials put themselves together and became alive? :roll:

No, "bringing a dead cell to life" as you so badly worded it, is called resurrection. And we all know that cannot happen.

Oh wait... :roll:

Yes, abiogenesis is bringing a dead cell to life, or a cell becoming alive without any source of life.

A cell can't "come to life"...this once against proves that you don't know what you're talking about. The instant you have a cell, you have life.

So a single-celled organism cannot possibly die??

Of course it can...but the same organism can't come back to life again.

LOL that doesn't make any sense!! if they could've formed and became alive, then surely it could somehow also come back to life

No, a cell dies when its membrane is destroy. If a new cell were to form, it would be nothing more than that...a new cell.

A cell that died should somehow reform and come back to life..

No?

See, what you're doing now is desperately trying to find errors in the theory, without succes I might add.

Do me a favour, use the same critical thinking on your christian beliefs....

You fail.

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]I wanna see a nonliving thing come to life (not necessarily a rock) Also, stop failing to understand my post. You wouldn't be able to moderate me if I'm highlighting.Revinh

I'm not trying to get you moderated. If i wanted to do that, I'd report and not tell you. Seriously, if you don't add to the discussion, it's disruptive. I can see that you're underlining your post but I don't think that matters. If you think I'm wrong, please continue.

If you want to see something non living come to life, I want to see God create another human from dust.

Well, you wouldn't see that, he already did that before.

However, we don't see life arising from nonliving things, only life from life, so it's more plausible that God formed souls and gave life. (I meant body when I said soul.)

I don't know how you want to be able to see these things. Can't you just accept that it might once have happened? I'm not saying it's definitely true, but just because we don't "see" it now doesn't mean it's impossible. You have such faith in religion, but absolutely zero in science. Your bias will prevent you from seeing any kind of logic presented to you.
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You fail.

Revinh

Oh the irony :lol:

Enlighten me...how?

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[QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]Because you don't see nonliving things becoming alive and "the earth's condition before was different" is a lame excusenotconspiracy

These things take millions of years according to the theories. Do you want a rock to morph into a chicken or something?

doesn't matter how long it took. we don't see nonliving things becoming alive from some process that started millions of years ago.

that's because life living today would ALWAYS? eat any cells that form today, and the oxygen in our atmosphere would destroy proto cells

well, yes, as they would be a good source of organic material for modern cells to break down.

but it doesn't mean they'll always be formed right in front of a predator.

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Evidence for what?Revinh
Whatever you believe in. You seem to just accept that God did all of those things. Why don't you question it?
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

123625, your signiture is NOTHING more than an ad hominem attack on charles darwin and people who accept darwinian evolution

im just curious, how old do you believe the earth and the universe to be?

123625

Hey ive seen plenty sigs against god too and my beleifs. I'll leave it there cause i want to. How old do i think the earth and universe to be? I don't know and i will never know untill i die i suppose. So i don't know basically, just like we don't know alot of things.

so how does people making ad hominems against god give you the right to make ad hominems against darwin or evolutionists?

Cause im allowed to do it... Dude its just a sig expressing somewhat of my views on what science has became. Im entitled to my view, (Not my quote by the way). Please don't start anything you have the right to post whatever you want in your sig and i have mine.

Well...it just sort of makes you appear unintelligent to any rational person who sees it. Anybody who knows about evolution knows that it is based upon alot of observations, and alot of evidence. You're implying that it's pure story telling when it's not at all. It's scientifically sound fact.
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]LOL that doesn't make any sense!! if they could've formed and became alive, then surely it could somehow also come back to lifeRevinh

A baby is born alive. Kill it. It won't come back to life. Pretty simple concept, no? Some processes are one way only, and I assume that's the case here.

We were talking about single-celled organisms..

My point was that some processes are one way. I believe I said that, did I not?

My point is that we weren't talking about those other processes.

There could still be some correlation between them though...
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[QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]I wanna see a nonliving thing come to life (not necessarily a rock) Also, stop failing to understand my post. You wouldn't be able to moderate me if I'm highlighting.SolidSnake35

I'm not trying to get you moderated. If i wanted to do that, I'd report and not tell you. Seriously, if you don't add to the discussion, it's disruptive. I can see that you're underlining your post but I don't think that matters. If you think I'm wrong, please continue.

If you want to see something non living come to life, I want to see God create another human from dust.

Well, you wouldn't see that, he already did that before.

However, we don't see life arising from nonliving things, only life from life, so it's more plausible that God formed souls and gave life. (I meant body when I said soul.)

I don't know how you want to be able to see these things. Can't you just accept that it might once have happened? I'm not saying it's definitely true, but just because we don't "see" it now doesn't mean it's impossible. You have such faith in religion, but absolutely zero in science. You're bias will prevent you from seeing any kind of logic presented to you.

It's not just because we don't see but it's far-fetched.

And I'm not biased. I'm all for science, just not science-fiction (abiogenesis, macroevolution)

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[QUOTE="Revinh"]Evidence for what?SolidSnake35
Whatever you believe in. You seem to just accept that God did all of those things. Why don't you question it?

No, if you've been reading my posts, I've given sound reason to believe and how it makes sense. And I didn't just believe the Bible, but through studying it.

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]I wanna see a nonliving thing come to life (not necessarily a rock) Also, stop failing to understand my post. You wouldn't be able to moderate me if I'm highlighting.Revinh

I'm not trying to get you moderated. If i wanted to do that, I'd report and not tell you. Seriously, if you don't add to the discussion, it's disruptive. I can see that you're underlining your post but I don't think that matters. If you think I'm wrong, please continue.

If you want to see something non living come to life, I want to see God create another human from dust.

Well, you wouldn't see that, he already did that before.

However, we don't see life arising from nonliving things, only life from life, so it's more plausible that God formed souls and gave them life. (I meant like 'body' when I said soul.)

It's explained very well in this video about how life came about.

What's more plausible? Using observation, evidence, and experimentation, or going with an assumption that directly contradicts all the evidence.

In all cases of science we go with the natural explanation because if there is a natural explanation that fits all the evidence, it makes more sence to go with that than a supernatural explanation with no evidence that relies on unseen and unteachable beings.

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[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

123625, your signiture is NOTHING more than an ad hominem attack on charles darwin and people who accept darwinian evolution

im just curious, how old do you believe the earth and the universe to be?

yoshi-lnex

Hey ive seen plenty sigs against god too and my beleifs. I'll leave it there cause i want to. How old do i think the earth and universe to be? I don't know and i will never know untill i die i suppose. So i don't know basically, just like we don't know alot of things.

so how does people making ad hominems against god give you the right to make ad hominems against darwin or evolutionists?

Cause im allowed to do it... Dude its just a sig expressing somewhat of my views on what science has became. Im entitled to my view, (Not my quote by the way). Please don't start anything you have the right to post whatever you want in your sig and i have mine.

Well...it just sort of makes you appear unintelligent to any rational person who sees it. Anybody who knows about evolution knows that it is based upon alot of observations, and alot of evidence. You're implying that it's pure story telling when it's not at all. It's scientifically sound fact.

It IS pure story telling. Its evidences are overwhelmingly pathetic.

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[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

123625, your signiture is NOTHING more than an ad hominem attack on charles darwin and people who accept darwinian evolution

im just curious, how old do you believe the earth and the universe to be?

yoshi-lnex

Hey ive seen plenty sigs against god too and my beleifs. I'll leave it there cause i want to. How old do i think the earth and universe to be? I don't know and i will never know untill i die i suppose. So i don't know basically, just like we don't know alot of things.

so how does people making ad hominems against god give you the right to make ad hominems against darwin or evolutionists?

Cause im allowed to do it... Dude its just a sig expressing somewhat of my views on what science has became. Im entitled to my view, (Not my quote by the way). Please don't start anything you have the right to post whatever you want in your sig and i have mine.

Well...it just sort of makes you appear unintelligent to any rational person who sees it. Anybody who knows about evolution knows that it is based upon alot of observations, and alot of evidence. You're implying that it's pure story telling when it's not at all. It's scientifically sound fact.

I could really care less about whatever other people think of me. And there is no observation of evolution, we have never seen another animal give birth and that animal is different. Well we have but only varients within the same kind. It doesnt cahnge the animal's kind. just because you precieve me to be unintellegent does that make it so? Wheres your proof? You have none.

No Evolution is not fact don't tell me otherwise. Its theory and speculation with little to show for it. Please don't argue with me saying its fact when even science doesnt classify it with fact, nor try and use another form of science to justify evolution.

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It's not just because we don't see but it's far-fetchedRevinh
I also think it's rather... impressive. A little too impressive to be true, perhaps? But being farfetched is something that religion excels at. It can only get away with it because God can do whatever he wants, and that seems to be a good enough explanation for suppressing any kind of doubt. Going back to my earlier point. God created the heavens and the earth. Okay. How? We don't know, so how convenient is it that we're just supposed to accept that God is capable of it simply because he is God?
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]Evidence for what?Revinh

Whatever you believe in. You seem to just accept that God did all of those things. Why don't you question it?

No, if you've been reading my posts, I've given sound reason to believe and how it makes sense. And I didn't just believe the Bible, but through studying it.

If you posted it before, then you shouldn't have trouble posting it again right? I've been through this thread and haven't seen you post any evidence whatsoever. I've read the bible personallly, and I don't recall a passage saying "evolution doesn't exist" or anything else similar to that.
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[QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]I wanna see a nonliving thing come to life (not necessarily a rock) Also, stop failing to understand my post. You wouldn't be able to moderate me if I'm highlighting.yoshi-lnex

I'm not trying to get you moderated. If i wanted to do that, I'd report and not tell you. Seriously, if you don't add to the discussion, it's disruptive. I can see that you're underlining your post but I don't think that matters. If you think I'm wrong, please continue.

If you want to see something non living come to life, I want to see God create another human from dust.

Well, you wouldn't see that, he already did that before.

However, we don't see life arising from nonliving things, only life from life, so it's more plausible that God formed souls and gave them life. (I meant like 'body' when I said soul.)

It's explained very well in this video about how life came about.

What's more plausible? Using observation, evidence, and experimentation, or going with an assumption that directly contradicts all the evidence.

In all cases of science we go with the natural explanation because if there is a natural explanation that fits all the evidence, it makes more sence to go with that than a supernatural explanation with no evidence that relies on unseen and unteachable beings.

Observation? You have observed nonliving things come to life?? WHERE?!?

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[QUOTE="Revinh"]It's not just because we don't see but it's far-fetchedSolidSnake35
I also think it's rather... impressive. A little too impressive to be true, perhaps? But being farfetched is something that religion excels at. It can only get away with it because God can do whatever he wants, and that seems to be a good enough explanation for suppressing any kind of doubt. Going back to my earlier point. God created the heavens and the earth. Okay. How? We don't know, so how convenient is it that we're just supposed to accept that God is capable of it simply because he is God?

also, we do see and observe it.
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]Because you don't see nonliving things becoming alive and "the earth's condition before was different" is a lame excuseRevinh

These things take millions of years according to the theories. Do you want a rock to morph into a chicken or something?

doesn't matter how long it took. we don't see nonliving things becoming alive from some process that started millions of years ago.

that's because life living today would ALWAYS? eat any cells that form today, and the oxygen in our atmosphere would destroy proto cells

well, yes, as they would be a good source of organic material for modern cells to break down.

but it doesn't mean they'll always be formed right in front of a predator.

bacteria, eucaryotes, amoeba, paramecia, they're ****ing all over the world. they're EVERYWHERE. why woulden't they be in front of a newly formed protocell? a small cell like that is a good source of organic material
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It IS pure story telling. Its evidences are overwhelmingly pathetic.Revinh
Yet having faith in God is fine?
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]I wanna see a nonliving thing come to life (not necessarily a rock) Also, stop failing to understand my post. You wouldn't be able to moderate me if I'm highlighting.Revinh

I'm not trying to get you moderated. If i wanted to do that, I'd report and not tell you. Seriously, if you don't add to the discussion, it's disruptive. I can see that you're underlining your post but I don't think that matters. If you think I'm wrong, please continue.

If you want to see something non living come to life, I want to see God create another human from dust.

Well, you wouldn't see that, he already did that before.

However, we don't see life arising from nonliving things, only life from life, so it's more plausible that God formed souls and gave them life. (I meant like 'body' when I said soul.)

It's explained very well in this video about how life came about.

What's more plausible? Using observation, evidence, and experimentation, or going with an assumption that directly contradicts all the evidence.

In all cases of science we go with the natural explanation because if there is a natural explanation that fits all the evidence, it makes more sence to go with that than a supernatural explanation with no evidence that relies on unseen and unteachable beings.

Observation? You have observed nonliving things come to life?? WHERE?!?

just because you can't see something with your eyes does not mean it's not real, electrons for example.

humans have created the components of life as I've mentioned numerous times, and you'd see if you'd just watch the video.

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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]I wanna see a nonliving thing come to life (not necessarily a rock) Also, stop failing to understand my post. You wouldn't be able to moderate me if I'm highlighting.Revinh

I'm not trying to get you moderated. If i wanted to do that, I'd report and not tell you. Seriously, if you don't add to the discussion, it's disruptive. I can see that you're underlining your post but I don't think that matters. If you think I'm wrong, please continue.

If you want to see something non living come to life, I want to see God create another human from dust.

Well, you wouldn't see that, he already did that before.

However, we don't see life arising from nonliving things, only life from life, so it's more plausible that God formed souls and gave them life. (I meant like 'body' when I said soul.)

It's explained very well in this video about how life came about.

What's more plausible? Using observation, evidence, and experimentation, or going with an assumption that directly contradicts all the evidence.

In all cases of science we go with the natural explanation because if there is a natural explanation that fits all the evidence, it makes more sence to go with that than a supernatural explanation with no evidence that relies on unseen and unteachable beings.

Observation? You have observed nonliving things come to life?? WHERE?!?

there actually is one theory floating around that abiogenesis is still happenening near deep-sea hydrothermal vents.

seriously revinh, you should take your objections to evolution/abiogenesis here: christianforums.com/f70

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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

123625, your signiture is NOTHING more than an ad hominem attack on charles darwin and people who accept darwinian evolution

im just curious, how old do you believe the earth and the universe to be?

123625

Hey ive seen plenty sigs against god too and my beleifs. I'll leave it there cause i want to. How old do i think the earth and universe to be? I don't know and i will never know untill i die i suppose. So i don't know basically, just like we don't know alot of things.

so how does people making ad hominems against god give you the right to make ad hominems against darwin or evolutionists?

Cause im allowed to do it... Dude its just a sig expressing somewhat of my views on what science has became. Im entitled to my view, (Not my quote by the way). Please don't start anything you have the right to post whatever you want in your sig and i have mine.

Well...it just sort of makes you appear unintelligent to any rational person who sees it. Anybody who knows about evolution knows that it is based upon alot of observations, and alot of evidence. You're implying that it's pure story telling when it's not at all. It's scientifically sound fact.

I could really care less about whatever other people think of me. And there is no observation of evolution, we have never seen another animal give birth and that animal is different. Well we have but only varients within the same kind. It doesnt cahnge the animal's kind. just because you precieve me to be unintellegent does that make it so? Wheres your proof? You have none.

No Evolution is not fact don't tell me otherwise. Its theory and speculation with little to show for it. Please don't argue with me saying its fact when even science doesnt classify it with fact, nor try and use another form of science to justify evolution.

Reading your posts is like taking a ride in the time-travellingmobile back to the 18th century...

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#390 yoshi-lnex
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[QUOTE="Revinh"]It IS pure story telling. Its evidences are overwhelmingly pathetic.SolidSnake35
Yet having faith in God is fine?

not to say that having faith in god is wrong, but this is a bit ironic.

Despite the mounds of evidence for evolution, Revinh continues to deny it's existance, yet by contrast, with no evidence he believes in a deity.

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#391 Revinh
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[QUOTE="Revinh"]It IS pure story telling. Its evidences are overwhelmingly pathetic.SolidSnake35
Yet having faith in God is fine?

Of course. There's overwhelming evidence of his works everywhere. The earth is full of his production.

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[QUOTE="Revinh"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]I wanna see a nonliving thing come to life (not necessarily a rock) Also, stop failing to understand my post. You wouldn't be able to moderate me if I'm highlighting.yoshi-lnex

I'm not trying to get you moderated. If i wanted to do that, I'd report and not tell you. Seriously, if you don't add to the discussion, it's disruptive. I can see that you're underlining your post but I don't think that matters. If you think I'm wrong, please continue.

If you want to see something non living come to life, I want to see God create another human from dust.

Well, you wouldn't see that, he already did that before.

However, we don't see life arising from nonliving things, only life from life, so it's more plausible that God formed souls and gave them life. (I meant like 'body' when I said soul.)

It's explained very well in this video about how life came about.

What's more plausible? Using observation, evidence, and experimentation, or going with an assumption that directly contradicts all the evidence.

In all cases of science we go with the natural explanation because if there is a natural explanation that fits all the evidence, it makes more sence to go with that than a supernatural explanation with no evidence that relies on unseen and unteachable beings.

Observation? You have observed nonliving things come to life?? WHERE?!?

just because you can't see something with your eyes does not mean it's not real, electrons for example.

humans have created the components of life as I've mentioned numerous times, and you'd see if you'd just watch the video.

components of, not life

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[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

123625, your signiture is NOTHING more than an ad hominem attack on charles darwin and people who accept darwinian evolution

im just curious, how old do you believe the earth and the universe to be?

jointed

Hey ive seen plenty sigs against god too and my beleifs. I'll leave it there cause i want to. How old do i think the earth and universe to be? I don't know and i will never know untill i die i suppose. So i don't know basically, just like we don't know alot of things.

so how does people making ad hominems against god give you the right to make ad hominems against darwin or evolutionists?

Cause im allowed to do it... Dude its just a sig expressing somewhat of my views on what science has became. Im entitled to my view, (Not my quote by the way). Please don't start anything you have the right to post whatever you want in your sig and i have mine.

Well...it just sort of makes you appear unintelligent to any rational person who sees it. Anybody who knows about evolution knows that it is based upon alot of observations, and alot of evidence. You're implying that it's pure story telling when it's not at all. It's scientifically sound fact.

I could really care less about whatever other people think of me. And there is no observation of evolution, we have never seen another animal give birth and that animal is different. Well we have but only varients within the same kind. It doesnt cahnge the animal's kind. just because you precieve me to be unintellegent does that make it so? Wheres your proof? You have none.

No Evolution is not fact don't tell me otherwise. Its theory and speculation with little to show for it. Please don't argue with me saying its fact when even science doesnt classify it with fact, nor try and use another form of science to justify evolution.

Reading your posts is like taking a ride in the time-travellingmobile back to the 18th century...

Petty insults show nothing on your behalf.

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]It IS pure story telling. Its evidences are overwhelmingly pathetic.Revinh

Yet having faith in God is fine?

Of course. There's overwhelming evidence of his works everywhere. The earth is full of his production.

And you've seen him produce this, just as you demand to see abiogenesis at work?
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#395 Revinh
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[QUOTE="Revinh"]

You fail.

jointed

Oh the irony :lol:

Enlighten me...how?

if they could've formed and became alive, then surely it could somehow also come back to life

A cell that died should somehow reform and come back to life..

Therefore, you fail. :)

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#396 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="Revinh"]

You fail.

Revinh

Oh the irony :lol:

Enlighten me...how?

if they could've formed and became alive, then surely it could somehow also come back to life

A cell that died should somehow reform and come back to life..

Therefore, you fail. :)

One way processes anyone?
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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

123625, your signiture is NOTHING more than an ad hominem attack on charles darwin and people who accept darwinian evolution

im just curious, how old do you believe the earth and the universe to be?

123625

Hey ive seen plenty sigs against god too and my beleifs. I'll leave it there cause i want to. How old do i think the earth and universe to be? I don't know and i will never know untill i die i suppose. So i don't know basically, just like we don't know alot of things.

so how does people making ad hominems against god give you the right to make ad hominems against darwin or evolutionists?

Cause im allowed to do it... Dude its just a sig expressing somewhat of my views on what science has became. Im entitled to my view, (Not my quote by the way). Please don't start anything you have the right to post whatever you want in your sig and i have mine.

Well...it just sort of makes you appear unintelligent to any rational person who sees it. Anybody who knows about evolution knows that it is based upon alot of observations, and alot of evidence. You're implying that it's pure story telling when it's not at all. It's scientifically sound fact.

I could really care less about whatever other people think of me. And there is no observation of evolution, we have never seen another animal give birth and that animal is different. Well we have but only varients within the same kind. It doesnt cahnge the animal's kind. just because you precieve me to be unintellegent does that make it so? Wheres your proof? You have none.

No Evolution is not fact don't tell me otherwise. Its theory and speculation with little to show for it. Please don't argue with me saying its fact when even science doesnt classify it with fact, nor try and use another form of science to justify evolution.

Reading your posts is like taking a ride in the time-travellingmobile back to the 18th century...

Petty insults show nothing on your behalf.

3 pretty old, but pretty strong pieces of evidence of evolution are the nested hierarchy, the fossil record, and the geographic distribution of species. how do you explain the fact that all of these things match the predictions made by evolution?
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[QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Revinh"]It IS pure story telling. Its evidences are overwhelmingly pathetic.SolidSnake35

Yet having faith in God is fine?

Of course. There's overwhelming evidence of his works everywhere. The earth is full of his production.

And you've seen him produce this, just as you demand to see abiogenesis at work?

I don't have to have seen it. Purposeful design is evident in them and that requires a Designer.

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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

123625, your signiture is NOTHING more than an ad hominem attack on charles darwin and people who accept darwinian evolution

im just curious, how old do you believe the earth and the universe to be?

123625

Hey ive seen plenty sigs against god too and my beleifs. I'll leave it there cause i want to. How old do i think the earth and universe to be? I don't know and i will never know untill i die i suppose. So i don't know basically, just like we don't know alot of things.

so how does people making ad hominems against god give you the right to make ad hominems against darwin or evolutionists?

Cause im allowed to do it... Dude its just a sig expressing somewhat of my views on what science has became. Im entitled to my view, (Not my quote by the way). Please don't start anything you have the right to post whatever you want in your sig and i have mine.

Well...it just sort of makes you appear unintelligent to any rational person who sees it. Anybody who knows about evolution knows that it is based upon alot of observations, and alot of evidence. You're implying that it's pure story telling when it's not at all. It's scientifically sound fact.

I could really care less about whatever other people think of me. And there is no observation of evolution, we have never seen another animal give birth and that animal is different. Well we have but only varients within the same kind. It doesnt cahnge the animal's kind. just because you precieve me to be unintellegent does that make it so? Wheres your proof? You have none.

No Evolution is not fact don't tell me otherwise. Its theory and speculation with little to show for it. Please don't argue with me saying its fact when even science doesnt classify it with fact, nor try and use another form of science to justify evolution.

Reading your posts is like taking a ride in the time-travellingmobile back to the 18th century...

Petty insults show nothing on your behalf.

Seriously, you're using the exact same arguments christian nut jobs used 150 years ago.

It happens over time, what part of that don't you get?

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second, your objection to evolution 123625 is wholly unfounded. you're asking us to provide an instance of an animal giving birth to another animal that is a different species, but this is exactly what evolution predicts wont happen. how many times are we going to have to tell you that before you can understand it?