What is the meaning of life?,in your oppinion?

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#1 ff-leader
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This thread is about your theory into the meaning of life, no i'm right, your wrong rhetoric. This is about each other, looking and appreciating eachothers meaning. At the end of the day there is no answer, so we are all stating theories.

Meaning of Life

To perfect oneself in love(high vibration), before you were born you mapped out your life on this earth(from heaven), chose your parents, and also the events which would happen in your life,raisingthe vibration of thethespiritual body as your primary goal, learning through experience(you can be told something, but to understand it you need to experience it). Destiny a future already written in stone, or is it?. Destiny supports the notion of one path ---------->, free will would hence be impossible with the notion of destiny. So how can the future be forseen you ask?, lets take that one path ------->, now lets add two choices to that path --------> 1. 2. destiny suggests that the choice you make is already decided, so good and bad decisions are not down to choice but through a predetermined path, which is alreadydecided for you. Destiny is nothing more than an excuse, to pinpoint the blame on something elserather thanthe consequenceof your actions.

So the future being forseen is impossible?, no it is possible indeed. To put it simply each path has many choices, ------------>1.2..3.4(i hope you realised that the choice you makeleads you down a different path?), what i suggest is that no matter which choice you decide, the outcome of each choice is already known(yay free will). The choice you are likely to make can be forseen and predicted, how?, Choices are biased. The choice you make will determin the likelyhood ofthechoice you make next,e.g.by making the decision to tell someone you will do something, will make the next choice, which isdeciding to do it or not,even if you don't want todo it, biased in favour of actually doing the task.

This brings us into the idea, if you have a choice which is biased into doing something bad and detrimental to your goal of raising your vibration, what then?

Spirit guides are there to give us hints and to keep us on the right path,e.g. intuition, gut feeling, thinking a certain thought. Earth can be seen as more of a school where we can progress alot quicker, because negative thoughts and low energy is impossible in the presence of God. Before we were born with the help of our spirit guides our lives were mapped out, in a way in which we mostly desired to better ourself, help was predetermined at certain points in our lives, if the choices we make take us to that possible future. Obviously help can be given at anytime in our life, and if things get too much the body and mind will ultimately die and the spirit can leave.

Mistakes are for learning and paths which are in favour of a bad choice are for you to overcome. The greater the challenge the better the reward. So what is this great challenge?, Time itself, the changing face of Time. Do you everget them moments in time when you remember back thinking, "those were the good times","i wish those good times lasted forever,.. i wish that person was still the same as they used to be". Time is the great challengs, because Time brings change, good or bad. Time itself has a purpose, have you ever heard the saying, "you don't realise how important something is till its gone", this states the purpose of Time very well. Time=Change, Good and Bad, two halves creating a whole (/), a vicous circle or perhaps a neccesary one. You have to remeber that saying, "you don't realise how important something is till it's gone", what it means is, you can't appeciate the good times if you don't have the bad. If you have nothing you apprieciate everything, the harder someones life the more they appriciate things and realise what they can't do without.

By overcoming negativeness, it enables you to progress much quicker in your goal. Negativeness causes blindness, it causes people to become materialistic, to believe they're nothing special, and their life is just a waste and in the end they will cease to exist. It will cause them to become materialistic and to become brainwashed by tv, (they will act how the tv tells them, dress like the tv tells them, behave like the tv tells them /lust/vanity/violence), they will become nothingmore thanbatteries for the money making upper classes, to keep the wealth in their pockets and to dumb down society to only tell them what they want them to know and keep there minds of thinking too much. By questioning things and trying to learn and keeping your faith strong, only then will youl be able to get a clear picture.

Positive choices and choices to better oneself in love no matter how difficult it may be is the path we all need to be on. If we do fail, reincarnation is used to keep on learning over and over again, different lives, parents etc. Ultimately if a person does become enveloped in too much negative energy and choose to be away from Love, then they will be in darkness with other like minded souls, which are violent and hurt eachother without being able to kill eachother, ultimately though it is all our goals to progress higher and higher. To learn what we have all been seeking our whole lives, perfect love, neverending, complete appreciation and it is through the many lives we can slowly work ourselves towards our goal.

This is merely my summary of life, it is to complicated for our minds to comprehend, but an interesting subject to ponder indeed.

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The meaning of my life is to be a guardian to others.

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#3 Darth-Caedus
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....Wall of text....O.o The meaning of life is to live as you wish, and enjoy it as much as possible.
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I wish to become a leader of a cult.
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#5 MrPraline
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There's no meaning. We live pointless lives and die.
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#6 SpaceMoose
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First to say 42. That isn't opinion either. That's irrefutable fact. Also, TLDR. Sorry...
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There is no absolute, universally applicable "meaning of life." It varies from person to person and what they decide their life is worth spending on.

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#9 Omega_Zero69
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everyone has a different one for themselves whether its fighting for what you believe in or others it just depends on the person
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#10 mindstorm
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Our purpose is given to us by God which ultimately is to bring glory to God by the process of first loving God and as a result loving others. When that purpose is not what we desire, we fabricate our own purpose which places our own goals and life ambitions as center of our life. Sometimes this fabrication seems noble, but it in the end it is for our own self-gratification.
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#11 michaelP4
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The Meaning of Life is subjected from person to person. For me, The Meaning of Life is to stop thinking about it, and just live it. ;)
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The Meaning of Life is subjected from person to person. For me, The Meaning of Life is to stop thinking about it, and just live it. ;)michaelP4
You know I have to say that is a darn good philosophy. the more you worry about stuff, the less fun you have!
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#13 ff-leader
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everyone has a different one for themselves whether its fighting for what you believe in or others it just depends on the personleonard88

First of all, i'm assuming you are putting the context of the meaning of life, as the choices someone decides to make?. The meaning of life is the reason we are allalive, the idea you put across just wouldn't work. People change so ultimately what people can believe in can change, the meaning of life is one thing, it doesn't change but what people believe in does. I don't understand how that would work, please enlighten me

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#14 jpph
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i do think part of the meaning of life, is to find a meaning to your life.

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#15 ff-leader
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There's no meaning. We live pointless lives and die. MrPraline

The your notion is we all came here by chance?, you believe everything is by chance, that we are a mistake and ultimately will fade away and rightly so?

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#16 msi276
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Not the first to say it but....42.
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#17 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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To fill in the blanks between birth and death...
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People aren't wearing enough hats.

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"]There's no meaning. We live pointless lives and die. ff-leader

The your notion is we all came here by chance?, you believe everything is by chance, that we are a mistake and ultimately will fade away and rightly so?

Makes as much sense as everything else.
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Our purpose is given to us by God which ultimately is to bring glory to God by the process of first loving God and as a result loving others. When that purpose is not what we desire, we fabricate our own purpose which places our own goals and life ambitions as center of our life. Sometimes this fabrication seems noble, but it in the end it is for our own self-gratification.mindstorm
I like how you present this as objective, indisputable fact. Makes me realize why I could never be religious. In response to the question, I don't know. And anyone who says they do is full of it.
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#21 ff-leader
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[QUOTE="michaelP4"]The Meaning of Life is subjected from person to person. For me, The Meaning of Life is to stop thinking about it, and just live it. ;)cell_dweller
You know I have to say that is a darn good philosophy. the more you worry about stuff, the less fun you have!

The less you start thinking about things the more repetitive your life becomes, youbelievemost thingsthe TV tells you without questioning it, because of the lack of knowledge. Manipulation soon follows. Why do you think it is so easy to get the public to believe the upper classes?, because their only source of information is the media controlled box in their living rooms. e.g.Iraq has nucleur bombs we must bomb iraq,terror,terrorists, we must defeat terror. Poll comes out 70% vote we should invade Iraq, majority vote of public we go and invade Iraq. Work,tv,sleep,eat, you become a battery for their business. Unfortunetely this is the world we live in, the less thinking people do, the more they will listen to the bs that comes from tv, why do you think people act like the rappers on tv etc.

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Everyone knows it's 42...
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[QUOTE="ff-leader"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]There's no meaning. We live pointless lives and die. RiseAgainst12

The your notion is we all came here by chance?, you believe everything is by chance, that we are a mistake and ultimately will fade away and rightly so?

Makes as much sense as everything else.

Everything being done by chance is already disproven, let me give you an example if i went to the shop tobuy some candy, it would be by yourhypothesis, i went to the shop because of chance, i actually went to the shop through choice. Much of history has been through choice, you were born through choice. Ultimately we are all here by choice of our parents, cells choose to divide and reproduce, all life has come from choice. Houses are mad through choice, rock carverd through choice, seeds planted by choice. So ultimately everything is by choice not chance, which makes us come down to the being which made that choice.

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The less you start thinking about things the more repetitive your life becomes, youbelievemost thingsthe TV tells you without questioning it, because of the lack of knowledge. Manipulation soon follows. Why do you think it is so easy to get the public to believe the upper classes?, because their only source of information is the media controlled box in their living rooms. e.g.Iraq has nucleur bombs we must bomb iraq,terror,terrorists, we must defeat terror. Poll comes out 70% vote we should invade Iraq, majority vote of public we go and invade Iraq. Work,tv,sleep,eat, you become a battery for their business. Unfortunetely this is the world we live in, the less thinking people do, the more they will listen to the bs that comes from tv, why do you think people act like the rappers on tv etc.ff-leader
There's a difference between being an individual and being gullible. I am my own individual, and I am very aware of who I am and my surroundings. I am very quick to question things if they don't make sense, but to question The Meaning of Life is the equivalent to question on whether or not God exists; nobody really knows. The answer to those questions currently is to simply live life, and not to think about it, as there is simply no way to prove the answer to either one.
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#25 RiseAgainst12
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[QUOTE="ff-leader"]

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="ff-leader"]

The your notion is we all came here by chance?, you believe everything is by chance, that we are a mistake and ultimately will fade away and rightly so?

Makes as much sense as everything else.

Everything being done by chance is already disproven, let me give you an example if i went to the shop tobuy some candy, it would be by yourhypothesis, i went to the shop because of chance, i actually went to the shop through choice. Much of history has been through choice, you were born through choice. Ultimately we are all here by choice of our parents, cells choose to divide and reproduce, all life has come from choice. Houses are mad through choice, rock carverd through choice, seeds planted by choice. So ultimately everything is by choice not chance, which makes us come down to the being which made that choice.

What exactly are you babbling about? Basically it could have just been chance that we came to be. Unless ofcourse your saying someone or something made the choice to create Human life. In which case your treading on Religious grounds in a forum populated with just as much (if not more) atheists as religious people.
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[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="ff-leader"]

The your notion is we all came here by chance?, you believe everything is by chance, that we are a mistake and ultimately will fade away and rightly so?

ff-leader

Makes as much sense as everything else.

Everything being done by chance is already disproven, let me give you an example if i went to the shop tobuy some candy, it would be by yourhypothesis, i went to the shop because of chance, i actually went to the shop through choice. Much of history has been through choice, you were born through choice. Ultimately we are all here by choice of our parents, cells choose to divide and reproduce, all life has come from choice. Houses are mad through choice, rock carverd through choice, seeds planted by choice. So ultimately everything is by choice not chance, which makes us come down to the being which made that choice.

Cells don't choose to divide... They don't have their own consciousness. When your parents were getting it on, all the little sperms didn't think "oh boy, I'm making a run for it!" They just did what they were programmed to do based upon certain stimulation or triggers.
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Meaning is an idea invented by humans, so life inherently has no meaning. However, we as a species invent our own meanings. My personal meaning is to help get the species to be a more inderdependent one instead of one that relies so heavily on conflict and hording wealth at the expense of certain members.

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[QUOTE="ff-leader"]The less you start thinking about things the more repetitive your life becomes, youbelievemost thingsthe TV tells you without questioning it, because of the lack of knowledge. Manipulation soon follows. Why do you think it is so easy to get the public to believe the upper classes?, because their only source of information is the media controlled box in their living rooms. e.g.Iraq has nucleur bombs we must bomb iraq,terror,terrorists, we must defeat terror. Poll comes out 70% vote we should invade Iraq, majority vote of public we go and invade Iraq. Work,tv,sleep,eat, you become a battery for their business. Unfortunetely this is the world we live in, the less thinking people do, the more they will listen to the bs that comes from tv, why do you think people act like the rappers on tv etc.michaelP4
There's a difference between being an individual and being gullible. I am my own individual, and I am very aware of who I am and my surroundings. I am very quick to question things if they don't make sense, but to question The Meaning of Life is the equivalent to question on whether or not God exists; nobody really knows. The answer to those questions currently is to simply live life, and not to think about it, as there is simply no way to prove the answer to either one.

So we should give up on this puzzle?, it would be like saying there is no way to prove the world is round back in history because we have no proof of it. The very reason we are where we are to day, is because people pondered the impossible. It may be ok for you to not think about such things, but to say it as an absolute for everybody, would just lead too a blackout of new discovery.

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[QUOTE="ff-leader"]

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] Makes as much sense as everything else.guynamedbilly

Everything being done by chance is already disproven, let me give you an example if i went to the shop tobuy some candy, it would be by yourhypothesis, i went to the shop because of chance, i actually went to the shop through choice. Much of history has been through choice, you were born through choice. Ultimately we are all here by choice of our parents, cells choose to divide and reproduce, all life has come from choice. Houses are mad through choice, rock carverd through choice, seeds planted by choice. So ultimately everything is by choice not chance, which makes us come down to the being which made that choice.

Cells don't choose to divide... They don't have their own consciousness. When your parents were getting it on, all the little sperms didn't think "oh boy, I'm making a run for it!" They just did what they were programmed to do based upon certain stimulation or triggers.

Yes instinct plays a major roll, but the very fact that humans have the ability to make a choice, disproves chance. The parents chose to get it on, but ultimately they had the choice, peoples choices changes history. It is through choice we have the ability to create life and manipulate them very cells, we have proven ourselves that we can create life, through choice.

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I wish to become a leader of a cult.kulmiye
Will this cult have hookers and blackjack?
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So we should give up on this puzzle?, it would be like saying there is no way to prove the world is round back in history because we have no proof of it. The very reason we are where we are to day, is because people pondered the impossible. It may be ok for you to not think about such things, but to say it as an absolute for everybody, would just lead too a blackout of new discovery.ff-leader
I'm just simply saying to live your life how you see fit. Should it be to live life trying to figure out the answer to The Meaning of Life, is in essence, the answer (for that person). As I said before, The Meaning of Life is subjected from person to person. For one person, it may be to achieve The Nobel Peace Prize, for another, it may be to simply start a family. For me personally, I prefer not to think about life, as there are just so many unpredictable possible outcomes to it, and instead, live it, and see where the path I have decided to take will lead me.
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Yes instinct plays a major roll, but the very fact that humans have the ability to make a choice, disproves chance. The parents chose to get it on, but ultimately they had the choice, peoples choices changes history. It is through choice we have the ability to create life and manipulate them very cells, we have proven ourselves that we can create life, through choice.

ff-leader

Yes instinct plays a major roll, but the very fact that humans have the ability to make a choice, disproves chance. The parents chose to get it on, but ultimately they had the choice, peoples choices changes history. It is through choice we have the ability to create life and manipulate them very cells, we have proven ourselves that we can create life, through choice.

ff-leader

Yea, but those two things do not directly effect each other. For example, I can't just say "I choose to create a baby" and have a baby magically appear in my arms. There is a process that must be followed for that baby to come. It is my choice if I want to go through that process and have the baby, but the baby has no choice at all in the matter.

The choice of the parent has no effect upon the choice of the child. If you were to say that the meaning of the baby's life was to fulfill the wishes and complete the choices of the parent, that argument would be broken when the baby starts to think for himself and grows up rebelling against the parent. Choices are not hereditary, therefore chance makes it's way into life whether you want it to or not.

To further expand on that... A parent makes a choice to have a child and the child is obedient, doing whatever the parent wished. The child grows up, goes away to college, and gets runover by a runaway car because the driver is having a heart attack. Neither the child, nor the driver chose to run him over.

Sometimes things just happen. There are scientific laws and consequences revolving around those laws that are not in our control. I don't believe in just dismissing an unusual idea outright, but this question already has an answer. It's only when people aren't satisfied with that answer that they add religion, karma, philosophies, etc... into the mix. As for why they aren't satisfied with that answer... maybe they like to feel that they aren't in control of their life because then there is someone else to share the blame. Maybe they feel that it's easier to not face a problem on their own. You'd have to ask each individual person for their own answer.

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ff-leader, everything is not by choice. Chance plays a HUGE role in our lives, and to think otherwise gives you a hollow sense of control. Yes, you CHOOSE to do things, but by chance, other things might happen that shape your life, or the lives of others. For instance, you may CHOOSE to go to the movies, but by CHANCE, you meet a girl that becomes your future wife. You may CHOOSE to have a baby with her, but it was by CHANCE that you met her in the first place. Also, don't tell michaelP4 not to use absolutes when you yourself are exercising one.
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[QUOTE="ff-leader"]

Yes instinct plays a major roll, but the very fact that humans have the ability to make a choice, disproves chance. The parents chose to get it on, but ultimately they had the choice, peoples choices changes history. It is through choice we have the ability to create life and manipulate them very cells, we have proven ourselves that we can create life, through choice.

guynamedbilly

Yes instinct plays a major roll, but the very fact that humans have the ability to make a choice, disproves chance. The parents chose to get it on, but ultimately they had the choice, peoples choices changes history. It is through choice we have the ability to create life and manipulate them very cells, we have proven ourselves that we can create life, through choice.

ff-leader

Yea, but those two things do not directly effect each other. For example, I can't just say "I choose to create a baby" and have a baby magically appear in my arms. There is a process that must be followed for that baby to come. It is my choice if I want to go through that process and have the baby, but the baby has no choice at all in the matter.

The choice of the parent has no effect upon the choice of the child. If you were to say that the meaning of the baby's life was to fulfill the wishes and complete the choices of the parent, that argument would be broken when the baby starts to think for himself and grows up rebelling against the parent. Choices are not hereditary, therefore chance makes it's way into life whether you want it to or not.

To further expand on that... A parent makes a choice to have a child and the child is obedient, doing whatever the parent wished. The child grows up, goes away to college, and gets runover by a runaway car because the driver is having a heart attack. Neither the child, nor the driver chose to run him over.

Sometimes things just happen. There are scientific laws and consequences revolving around those laws that are not in our control. I don't believe in just dismissing an unusual idea outright, but this question already has an answer. It's only when people aren't satisfied with that answer that they add religion, karma, philosophies, etc... into the mix. As for why they aren't satisfied with that answer... maybe they like to feel that they aren't in control of their life because then there is someone else to share the blame. Maybe they feel that it's easier to not face a problem on their own. You'd have to ask each individual person for their own answer.

I think you misunderstood what i was trying to say. Cells and other things are merely building blocks, my fact was that these building blocks can be used through choice to make life. Let me take for example a scientist would use the building blocks of life to create a clone through choice. Now ifmancamefromGod then surely God in all his perfection can make and created= man with these building blocks through choice. Its already a fact that conciousness survives after death, haveyou been keeping upwith the times?

Scientific Evidence of Survival:

All 53 items of evidence
People have NDEs while brain dead
People see verified events while out-of-body
People born blind can see during a NDE
Children have NDEs similar to adults
People are radically changed by their NDE
Common aspects can be found in NDEs
Scientific discoveries come from NDEs
People having NDEs are absolutely certain
Groups of people can share the same NDE
Some people were dead for several days
NDEs have accurately foreseen the future
Ancient history is filled with NDE reports
Scientific studies have validated NDEs
World religions originated from NDEs
Science validated out-of-body experiences
Quantum physics can explain NDEs
Analytical psychology can explain NDEs
Hypnotic regression verifies NDE concepts
Dream research verifies NDE concepts
After-death visions have been validated
Synchronicity statistically proves the afterlife
Hypnosis can induce after-death visions
Deathbed visions affirm survival after death
Out-of-body experiences can be induced
Scientific evidence of reincarnation exists
Hallucinogens produce out-of-body states
Credible reports of angelic beings exists
Apparitions of the dead have been recorded
Valid psychic contact with the dead exists
Governments have hired remote viewers
Some people retain pre-birth memories
The voices of the dead have been recorded
Scientific evidence of the paranormal exists
NDE symbolism supports sacred geometry
Science validates the efficacy of prayer

This is just some of the evidence, and besides man has already shown that he can be the creator of life through choice, with cloning.

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Evidence of life after death-

http://www.near-death.com/evidence.html

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Your work.
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This is just some of the evidence, and besides man has already shown that he can be the creator of life through choice, with cloning.ff-leader
The whole point of my post can be simplified to, "Did the clone have a choice?"
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It varies from person to person, but I would say that our main purpose is to find meaning to it.
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[QUOTE="ff-leader"]This is just some of the evidence, and besides man has already shown that he can be the creator of life through choice, with cloning.guynamedbilly
The whole point of my post can be simplified to, "Did the clone have a choice?"

What are you talking about?, why on earth would the clone have a choice?, again you fail to realise what i'm putting across. Ok choice exists, choice can create life, the scientists is the creator right(he can also be likened to the God of the clone). The scientists uses the building blocks of life to create a living being. Christians belief of God"God created man through the building blocks of life", the cells and orgainisms may not have a choice, but through cloning can be show to be manipulated by an external source. A living concious being can create life, and manipulate the cells which devide by chance, or so you think.

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To find a passion and follow it until the day you die.
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[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"][QUOTE="ff-leader"]This is just some of the evidence, and besides man has already shown that he can be the creator of life through choice, with cloning.ff-leader

The whole point of my post can be simplified to, "Did the clone have a choice?"

What are you talking about?, why on earth would the clone have a choice?, again you fail to realise what i'm putting across. Ok choice exists, choice can create life, the scientists is the creator right(he can also be likened to the God of the clone). The scientists uses the building blocks of life to create a living being. Christians belief of God"God created man through the building blocks of life", the cells and orgainisms may not have a choice, but through cloning can be show to be manipulated by an external source. A living concious being can create life, and manipulate the cells which devide by chance, or so you think.

The only point I was arguing was that chance does affect life, because you said earlier that "everything is by choice not by chance" which isn't true because, assuming your parents conceived you the traditional way, one of your thousands of fellow brothers and sisters could have been born instead of you, because you as a sperm and your parents organs didn't have a conference that you should be the one to be born, it just happened that way because of a thousand other factors, which is where the chance comes in.

It seems like your way of thinking is the way it is because you believe in the Christian god and that everything exists because he chose it to exist. If that's the case noone can argue against the "everything is by choice" philosophy that you have without first disproving the existence of god to you. I'm not going to do that because I believe decicions that big can only be decided by the person themselves and arguing does no good. I do wish one thing though, if people were making a Christianity topic, that they would be upfront about it from the beginning so we can know what we're getting into. If that's not the case, forget this last paragraph.

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what you make of it. otherwise, there's no purpose.
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[QUOTE="kulmiye"]I wish to become a leader of a cult.RiseAgainst12
Will this cult have hookers and blackjack?

If my god so wishes, he shall communicate through me and it shall be done.
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[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="kulmiye"]I wish to become a leader of a cult.kulmiye
Will this cult have hookers and blackjack?

If my god so wishes, he shall communicate through me and it shall be done.

Let me know when this becomes so.. once it does sign me up.
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[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] Let me know when this becomes so.. once it does sign me up.

The more the merrier.. Scored some funding.
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Music, sex, booze, pot etcetc
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Meaning of life to me is to accomplish something in your life, and if you spend your life doing nothing it would be better if it never happened.
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Life has no inherent, universal meaning.

It's how you choose to live it that makes the difference.

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[QUOTE="ff-leader"]

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"] The whole point of my post can be simplified to, "Did the clone have a choice?"guynamedbilly

What are you talking about?, why on earth would the clone have a choice?, again you fail to realise what i'm putting across. Ok choice exists, choice can create life, the scientists is the creator right(he can also be likened to the God of the clone). The scientists uses the building blocks of life to create a living being. Christians belief of God"God created man through the building blocks of life", the cells and orgainisms may not have a choice, but through cloning can be show to be manipulated by an external source. A living concious being can create life, and manipulate the cells which devide by chance, or so you think.

The only point I was arguing was that chance does affect life, because you said earlier that "everything is by choice not by chance" which isn't true because, assuming your parents conceived you the traditional way, one of your thousands of fellow brothers and sisters could have been born instead of you, because you as a sperm and your parents organs didn't have a conference that you should be the one to be born, it just happened that way because of a thousand other factors, which is where the chance comes in.

If it was decided before you were born who your parents were, then ultimately everything is by choice, there is alot of evidence supporting this and you can read about it on the site i posted. The logic you posted is flawed in many respects, what you consider your brothers and sisters is a blank slate, it knows nothing it is just flesh and blood etc. A personality is shaped through life experience, and that life experience comes through choices. You are not you because of chance, you think like you do because of the way you were brought up. You are your personality, which can only be shaped by choices, if you were adopted by devout muslims you would be a muslim. As i said sperm can be manipulated by scientists, why not God, they can decide if it is boy or girl. You state brothers and sisters, and remember your personality doesn't count yet, also your looks are determined by your life style which is through choice, the genes would still be the same in either the boy or girl. So scientists can manipulate if it is a boy or a girl, so your theory doesn't work, and you can't use personality to define you, because that is taught through how p0eople choose to bring you up.