What is the one thing that shapes your whole political philosophy?

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#1 BMD004
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What is the thing that you value over all else? For example... for me, it is freedom. The Federal government should be stripped down to the bare minimum. The 50 states should have the majority of the power. And even then I would want my state to have more freedom.
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#2 mingmao3046
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I would also agree freedom.
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I think political issues are way too complicated to simplify it like that
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Thinking about stuff.

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I don't trust politics
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#6 Diablo-B
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I try to use common sense and some unbiased reasoning
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#7 BMD004
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I think political issues are way too complicated to simplify it like thatJML897
No, individual issues may be complicated. But your overall outlook doesn't have to be. It's like the thesis statement of a paper you are writing. Everything you say has to support your thesis. I value freedom the most. So my outlook on political issues is to usually side with freedom as a principle. One issue may be more "fair"... but if it reduces freedom, I generally disagree wih it.
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From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.

 

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platonic and technocratic principles.

the federal government, if technocratic, should have absolute power, the tyranny that is democracy should be abolished.

A supremely strong military is also required for an ideal state.

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Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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Function without pissing people off.
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Douche and turd.

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#13 Rich3232
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Idk. Hedonism or pragmatism, maybe.
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Assuming direct control
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Idk. Hedonism or pragmatism, maybe. Rich3232

controlled hedonism is a very powerful tool.

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#16 Rich3232
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"]Idk. Hedonism or pragmatism, maybe. frannkzappa

controlled hedonism is a very powerful tool.

Dat dopamine. Fvck tolerance, tho. Worst enemy of mine.
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#17 HoolaHoopMan
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Freedom is such an empty and soulless word now. Its been utterly raped by politicians. I tend to see that people who use 'freedom' as a slogan seek to deny it to many. As for me, politics isn't black and white. My affiliation and views have changed and molded over the years, no one issue or term can help describe it. Buuuuuuut for the sake of this thread I'll say the biggest thing that influences my politics today is my loathing of the anti-intellectual and anti-scientific approach of social conservatives.
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#18 BossPerson
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platonic and technocratic principles.

the federal government, if technocratic, should have absolute power, the tyranny that is democracy should be abolished.

A supremely strong military is also required for an ideal state.

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Freedom is such an empty and soulless word nowHoolaHoopMan
Imo it always was. It's such a relative and yet meaningless concept. In any situation anyone would have something that they would say is keeping them down, whether it be the government, businesses, culture or even their own limitations within an environment. Having people feel that they're free enough is a part of not pissing them off if anyone was wondering but again freedom is a bit too subjective to bother basing an entire view around imo.
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#20 coolbeans90
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Utilitarianism.

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Sustainability

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#22 BossPerson
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Utilitarianism.

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trying to bait Lai?
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Utilitarianism.

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I'm utilitarian. My social welfare function assigns weight 1 to myself and 0 to everyone else.
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#24 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Utilitarianism.

BossPerson

trying to bait Lai?

oh god no

he recently visited TDH

enough lai for this month

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#25 Rich3232
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Utilitarianism.

coolbeans90
I used to support that and then I saw a lot of the inherent problems within that philosophy so I kinda don't anymore.
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[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Utilitarianism.

coolbeans90

trying to bait Lai?

oh god no

he recently visited TDH

enough lai for this month

Another reason for me not to go back to TDH.

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#27 Rich3232
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]trying to bait Lai? jimkabrhel

oh god no

he recently visited TDH

enough lai for this month

Another reason for me not to go back to TDH.

We have him under control there, actually. Moreso than here on GS.
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[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

oh god no

he recently visited TDH

enough lai for this month

Rich3232

Another reason for me not to go back to TDH.

We have him under control there, actually. Moreso than here on GS.

no idea how raw does it

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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Another reason for me not to go back to TDH.

coolbeans90

We have him under control there, actually. Moreso than here on GS.

no idea how raw does it

He'd end up calling me an enemy there as well as here.

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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Another reason for me not to go back to TDH.

coolbeans90

We have him under control there, actually. Moreso than here on GS.

no idea how raw does it

Took three bans and the collective gangrape of all TDH to do it, but we did it.
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[QUOTE="BMD004"]What is the thing that you value over all else? For example... for me, it is freedom. The Federal government should be stripped down to the bare minimum. The 50 states should have the majority of the power. And even then I would want my state to have more freedom.

Jesus fcking christ, no. There's a reason why most freedoms come from the liberal wing judiciary. It's because states try to enact idiotic laws.
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TDH sounds interesting somebody post a link please.

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#33 DroidPhysX
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TDH sounds interesting somebody post a link please.

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#34 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

TDH sounds interesting somebody post a link please.

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lawd have mercy

hm?

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#35 coolbeans90
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TDH sounds interesting somebody post a link please.

frannkzappa

dunno if it'll be your cup of tea, but here you go:

http://s4.zetaboards.com/The_Daily_Happening/index/

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Is there a reason that i can't find any threads or am i just stupid?

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Science

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#38 coolbeans90
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Is there a reason that i can't find any threads or am i just stupid?

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oh

iirc, you have to register an account

and i dont recall if they still require admin approval for new accounts, but they approve them all and one of the admins is online all the time

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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]Freedom is such an empty and soulless word nowAce6301
Imo it always was. It's such a relative and yet meaningless concept. In any situation anyone would have something that they would say is keeping them down, whether it be the government, businesses, culture or even their own limitations within an environment. Having people feel that they're free enough is a part of not pissing them off if anyone was wondering but again freedom is a bit too subjective to bother basing an entire view around imo.

Freedom is freedom from the government.

 

Federal government should (in my opinion) be there to protect people militarily, and to protect their rights granted by the constitution. It should do little else.

 

I think the government should let people be. That is freedom to me.

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]Freedom is such an empty and soulless word nowBMD004

Imo it always was. It's such a relative and yet meaningless concept. In any situation anyone would have something that they would say is keeping them down, whether it be the government, businesses, culture or even their own limitations within an environment. Having people feel that they're free enough is a part of not pissing them off if anyone was wondering but again freedom is a bit too subjective to bother basing an entire view around imo.

Freedom is freedom from the government.

Federal government should (in my opinion) be there to protect people militarily, and to protect their rights granted by the constitution. It should do little else.

I think the government should let people be. That is freedom to me.

But a well organized government is better in every respect when compared to the individual.

a weak federal government holds the people back.

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]Freedom is such an empty and soulless word nowBMD004

Imo it always was. It's such a relative and yet meaningless concept. In any situation anyone would have something that they would say is keeping them down, whether it be the government, businesses, culture or even their own limitations within an environment. Having people feel that they're free enough is a part of not pissing them off if anyone was wondering but again freedom is a bit too subjective to bother basing an entire view around imo.

Freedom is freedom from the government.

 

Federal government should (in my opinion) be there to protect people militarily, and to protect their rights granted by the constitution. It should do little else.

 

I think the government should let people be. That is freedom to me.

I'm aware that when people say "Freedom" they mean from Government. That is in large part when I think giving "freedom" as a response is effectively meaningless as the government is not the sole cause of tyranny nor even today your greatest concern.
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[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Imo it always was. It's such a relative and yet meaningless concept. In any situation anyone would have something that they would say is keeping them down, whether it be the government, businesses, culture or even their own limitations within an environment. Having people feel that they're free enough is a part of not pissing them off if anyone was wondering but again freedom is a bit too subjective to bother basing an entire view around imo.frannkzappa

Freedom is freedom from the government.

 

Federal government should (in my opinion) be there to protect people militarily, and to protect their rights granted by the constitution. It should do little else.

 

I think the government should let people be. That is freedom to me.

But a well organized government is better in every respect when compared to the individual.

 

a weak federal government holds the people back.

First off... it doesn't matter. For better or for worse, I'd rather the government butt out.

 

But out of curiosity, how is a well-organized government better in every respect when compard to the individual?

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Logic.
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efficient and reliable public service, with a dash of accountability.

which is why i was a shitty government worker, because i didn't give a damn about my superiors and their extensive rules. i considered my bosses to be the random everyday people who came into my office, as it's their money i was being paid with.

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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]Freedom is freedom from the government.

Federal government should (in my opinion) be there to protect people militarily, and to protect their rights granted by the constitution. It should do little else.

I think the government should let people be. That is freedom to me.

BMD004

But a well organized government is better in every respect when compared to the individual.

a weak federal government holds the people back.

First off... it doesn't matter. For better or for worse, I'd rather the government butt out.

But out of curiosity, how is a well-organized government better in every respect when compard to the individual?

what can one man do that a group of experts can't do better?

(with cost not being part of the question)

would you have one man build you a boat? or 3?

who would win in a fight a group of six or an individual.

etc...

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[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Imo it always was. It's such a relative and yet meaningless concept. In any situation anyone would have something that they would say is keeping them down, whether it be the government, businesses, culture or even their own limitations within an environment. Having people feel that they're free enough is a part of not pissing them off if anyone was wondering but again freedom is a bit too subjective to bother basing an entire view around imo.Ace6301

Freedom is freedom from the government.

 

Federal government should (in my opinion) be there to protect people militarily, and to protect their rights granted by the constitution. It should do little else.

 

I think the government should let people be. That is freedom to me.

I'm aware that when people say "Freedom" they mean from Government. That is in large part when I think giving "freedom" as a response is effectively meaningless as the government is not the sole cause of tyranny nor even today your greatest concern.

You said freedom is a bit too subjective. But it isn't when talking about freedom from government. That is what I was talking about.

 

And I don't think they are the sole cause of tyranny. I think without strict limitations on government, it eventually grows out of control. And people lose freedoms and privacy.

 

I also think the private sector does things much better than the federal government does.

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Equality of opportunity, I guess. There's more to my views than that, though. Also,
I think political issues are way too complicated to simplify it like thatJML897
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