What is the one thing that shapes your whole political philosophy?

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#701 Ace6301
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Because this is a philosophy thread that is now about anime I think it's only right that Beans watch Evangelion and then be mystified at how f*cked up Anno, the director and writer, was/is.
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#702 coolbeans90
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I have to very selectively choose what to watch when at home because of terribad internet. I think Cowboy Bebop is what I am leaning towards.

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#703 htekemerald
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Pragmatism.

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I have to very selectively choose what to watch when at home because of terribad internet. I think Cowboy Bebop is what I am leaning towards.

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Watch? That would be your folly.
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#705 OrkHammer007
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Pragmatism.

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Don't know that anime. What's it about?

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#706 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I have to very selectively choose what to watch when at home because of terribad internet. I think Cowboy Bebop is what I am leaning towards.

EagleEyedOne

Watch? That would be your folly.

if you are talking about manga, bebop has no manga adaptation.

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#707 frannkzappa
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I have to very selectively choose what to watch when at home because of terribad internet. I think Cowboy Bebop is what I am leaning towards.

coolbeans90

good choice.

the ending will make you feel feelings you didn't know you had for days.

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#708 EagleEyedOne
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[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I have to very selectively choose what to watch when at home because of terribad internet. I think Cowboy Bebop is what I am leaning towards.

frannkzappa

Watch? That would be your folly.

if you are talking about manga, bebop has no manga adaptation.

No. I am talking about watching.
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#709 El_Zo1212o
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My political philosophy? I hate politicians. Right wing, left wing, liberal or conservative, independant or libertarian, they're all scum. All they do is spend their lives figuring out what the largest part of the population wants to hear, then figure out how to get to say it to as many of those people as they can. And then it turns out that when they get power, all their words become lies and compromises. See the youtube video "candidate Obama vs President Obama" for more info.
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#710 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"] Watch? That would be your folly.EagleEyedOne

if you are talking about manga, bebop has no manga adaptation.

No. I am talking about watching.

what does that even mean?

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#711 frannkzappa
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My political philosophy? I hate politicians. Right wing, left wing, liberal or conservative, independant or libertarian, they're all scum. All they do is spend their lives figuring out what the largest part of the population wants to hear, then figure out how to get to say it to as many of those people as they can. And then it turns out that when they get power, all their words become lies and compromises. See the youtube video "candidate Obama vs President Obama" for more info.El_Zo1212o

cough" technocracy "cough

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#712 El_Zo1212o
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[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]My political philosophy? I hate politicians. Right wing, left wing, liberal or conservative, independant or libertarian, they're all scum. All they do is spend their lives figuring out what the largest part of the population wants to hear, then figure out how to get to say it to as many of those people as they can. And then it turns out that when they get power, all their words become lies and compromises. See the youtube video "candidate Obama vs President Obama" for more info.frannkzappa

cough" technocracy "cough

Explain.
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#713 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]My political philosophy? I hate politicians. Right wing, left wing, liberal or conservative, independant or libertarian, they're all scum. All they do is spend their lives figuring out what the largest part of the population wants to hear, then figure out how to get to say it to as many of those people as they can. And then it turns out that when they get power, all their words become lies and compromises. See the youtube video "candidate Obama vs President Obama" for more info.El_Zo1212o

cough" technocracy "cough

Explain.

90% percent of this thread is me explaining.

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#714 El_Zo1212o
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[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

cough" technocracy "cough

frannkzappa

Explain.

90% percent of this thread is me explaining.

Then I would suggest you dial back your cool factor by not trying to prove how smart you are by throwing vague one word replies around.
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#715 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] Explain.El_Zo1212o

90% percent of this thread is me explaining.

Then I would suggest you dial back your cool factor by not trying to prove how smart you are by throwing vague one word replies around.

i assumed you had read the thread....

no need to get confrontational.

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#716 El_Zo1212o
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[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

90% percent of this thread is me explaining.

frannkzappa

Then I would suggest you dial back your cool factor by not trying to prove how smart you are by throwing vague one word replies around.

i assumed you had read the thread....

no need to get confrontational.

Sorry, confrontational is my default setting, especially when my opinion is likely to have people gathering their torches and pitchforks(which seems to be the case for most of my opinions lately). As far as actually reading... 36 pages on a topic I hate? My blood pressure would skyrocket and I'd very likely pass out from a rage-induced migraine. So that's a no.
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#717 EagleEyedOne
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[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

if you are talking about manga, bebop has no manga adaptation.

frannkzappa

No. I am talking about watching.

what does that even mean?

 Kind of like that.
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#718 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"] No. I am talking about watching.EagleEyedOne

what does that even mean?

 Kind of like that.

that's quite a black and white view.

are you saying that any form of electronic visual media is bad?

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#719 EagleEyedOne
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[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

what does that even mean?

frannkzappa

 Kind of like that.

that's quite a black and white view.

are you saying that any form of electronic visual media is bad?

Any form of electronic visual media is not as good as reading works of literature that have survived hundreds, thousands of years such as The Iliad, The Republic, The Elements, The Prince, Divine Comedy, or Critique of Pure Reason etc... the list goes on.
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#720 coolbeans90
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>implying that I do not read

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#721 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"]  Kind of like that.EagleEyedOne

that's quite a black and white view.

are you saying that any form of electronic visual media is bad?

Any form of electronic visual media is not as good as reading works of literature that have survived hundreds, thousands of years such as The Iliad, The Republic, The Elements, The Prince, Divine Comedy, or Critique of Pure Reason etc... the list goes on.

you do realize that people said the same things about books 1 thousand or so years ago. Plato for instance didn't consider writing a proper form of information conveyance.

also you can read and do other things by the way.

ps ("The republic" is a book to live by)

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#722 EagleEyedOne
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[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

that's quite a black and white view.

are you saying that any form of electronic visual media is bad?

frannkzappa

Any form of electronic visual media is not as good as reading works of literature that have survived hundreds, thousands of years such as The Iliad, The Republic, The Elements, The Prince, Divine Comedy, or Critique of Pure Reason etc... the list goes on.

you do realize that people said the same things about books 1 thousand or so years ago. Plato for instance didn't consider writing a proper form of information conveyance.

also you can read and do other things by the way.

ps ("The republic" is a book to live by)

The question then is, what do you choose to watch, which channels?
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"] Any form of electronic visual media is not as good as reading works of literature that have survived hundreds, thousands of years such as The Iliad, The Republic, The Elements, The Prince, Divine Comedy, or Critique of Pure Reason etc... the list goes on.EagleEyedOne

you do realize that people said the same things about books 1 thousand or so years ago. Plato for instance didn't consider writing a proper form of information conveyance.

also you can read and do other things by the way.

ps ("The republic" is a book to live by)

The question then is, what do you choose to watch, which channels?

i don't watch tv that much, but i love sci fi, fantasy, manga and anime in any format.

i read subjects to numerus to count.

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#724 coolbeans90
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I am under the impression that EagleEyedOne might be a troll account.

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#725 EagleEyedOne
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[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

you do realize that people said the same things about books 1 thousand or so years ago. Plato for instance didn't consider writing a proper form of information conveyance.

also you can read and do other things by the way.

ps ("The republic" is a book to live by)

frannkzappa

The question then is, what do you choose to watch, which channels?

i don't watch tv that much, but i love sci fi, fantasy, manga and anime in any format.

i read subjects to numerus to count.

If you watch sci fi, fantasy, manga and anime in any format then you are wasting your time.
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#726 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"] The question then is, what do you choose to watch, which channels?EagleEyedOne

i don't watch tv that much, but i love sci fi, fantasy, manga and anime in any format.

i read subjects to numerus to count.

If you watch sci fi, fantasy, manga and anime in any format then you are wasting your time.

you'll excuse me if i don't take that to heart.

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#727 EagleEyedOne
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[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

i don't watch tv that much, but i love sci fi, fantasy, manga and anime in any format.

i read subjects to numerus to count.

frannkzappa

If you watch sci fi, fantasy, manga and anime in any format then you are wasting your time.

you'll excuse me if i don't take that to heart.

Of course. Especially if you include Zelda and Okami.
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#728 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"] If you watch sci fi, fantasy, manga and anime in any format then you are wasting your time.EagleEyedOne

you'll excuse me if i don't take that to heart.

Of course. Especially if you include Zelda and Okami.

those are video games...

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#729 EagleEyedOne
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[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

you'll excuse me if i don't take that to heart.

frannkzappa

Of course. Especially if you include Zelda and Okami.

those are video games...

They are manga and anime.
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#730 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"] Of course. Especially if you include Zelda and Okami.EagleEyedOne

those are video games...

They are manga and anime.

mhm....:?

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Almost certain trolling.

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Almost certain trolling.

coolbeans90

just wanted to make sure.

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#733 Darkman2007
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realism pretty much

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#734 frannkzappa
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realism pretty much

Darkman2007

how do you determine what is real?

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#735 Darkman2007
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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

realism pretty much

frannkzappa

how do you determine what is real?

do you know what the definition of realism is in a political context?
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#736 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

realism pretty much

Darkman2007

how do you determine what is real?

do you know what the definition of realism is in a political context?

vaguely, enlighten me.

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#737 Darkman2007
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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

how do you determine what is real?

frannkzappa

do you know what the definition of realism is in a political context?

vaguely, enlighten me.

its more of an international policy idea than internal politics, realism means a belief the world is chaotic, or in anarchy, and that states, not any sort of international body, or any treaties signed there (represented most prominently by the UN for instance) are most important. what this leads to is a situation where states really only sign treaties, or alliances with each other for the sake of survival or to balance off more powerful states. the opposing theory is liberalism , which does place a greater emphasis on international law, democracy (such as the idea that more democracy = less war) , etc. each of these has variations (such as neoliberalism)
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] do you know what the definition of realism is in a political context?Darkman2007

vaguely, enlighten me.

its more of an international policy idea than internal politics, realism means a belief the world is chaotic, or in anarchy, and that states, not any sort of international body, or any treaties signed there (represented most prominently by the UN for instance) are most important. what this leads to is a situation where states really only sign treaties, or alliances with each other for the sake of survival or to balance off more powerful states. the opposing theory is liberalism , which does place a greater emphasis on international law, democracy (such as the idea that more democracy = less war) , etc. each of these has variations (such as neoliberalism)

this isn't too far out of line with technocratic foreign policy.

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#739 Darkman2007
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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

vaguely, enlighten me.

frannkzappa

its more of an international policy idea than internal politics, realism means a belief the world is chaotic, or in anarchy, and that states, not any sort of international body, or any treaties signed there (represented most prominently by the UN for instance) are most important. what this leads to is a situation where states really only sign treaties, or alliances with each other for the sake of survival or to balance off more powerful states. the opposing theory is liberalism , which does place a greater emphasis on international law, democracy (such as the idea that more democracy = less war) , etc. each of these has variations (such as neoliberalism)

this isn't too far out of line with technocratic foreign policy.

its not really foreign policy, just a way of seeing the world, it lacks the perception that people are at heart, good. the only non state actors I deem important, are ones who have weapons and use them to enforce their bargaining power vis-a-vis states
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#740 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] its more of an international policy idea than internal politics, realism means a belief the world is chaotic, or in anarchy, and that states, not any sort of international body, or any treaties signed there (represented most prominently by the UN for instance) are most important. what this leads to is a situation where states really only sign treaties, or alliances with each other for the sake of survival or to balance off more powerful states. the opposing theory is liberalism , which does place a greater emphasis on international law, democracy (such as the idea that more democracy = less war) , etc. each of these has variations (such as neoliberalism)Darkman2007

this isn't too far out of line with technocratic foreign policy.

its not really foreign policy, just a way of seeing the world, it lacks the perception that people are at heart, good. the only non state actors I deem important, are ones who have weapons and use them to enforce their bargaining power vis-a-vis states

i didn't say IT was a foreign policy, just that it relates to technocratic foreign policy.

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#741 Darkman2007
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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

this isn't too far out of line with technocratic foreign policy.

frannkzappa

its not really foreign policy, just a way of seeing the world, it lacks the perception that people are at heart, good. the only non state actors I deem important, are ones who have weapons and use them to enforce their bargaining power vis-a-vis states

i didn't say IT was a foreign policy, just that it relates to technocratic foreign policy.

ah , I see, ok.
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Almost certain trolling.

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Is he the same guy who game the video games aren't art thread?
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#743 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Almost certain trolling.

chessmaster1989

Is he the same guy who game the video games aren't art thread?

i think so.