What is the one thing that shapes your whole political philosophy?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]laihendi why are you charging $20 for your ebook? didnt you say it would be lowest price possible?coolbeans90

i hope someone uploads it

why does gamespot randomly not show what i posted?

it's really getting annoying.

coolbeans if you didn't see my last post i edited it.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] What you are saying makes no sense at all. The nature of an object's ability to function is an objective fact. A barrel can serve as a flotation device, and it could perhaps with some difficulty be used to cross a small lake, or flow down a river (similar to in The Hobbit), but a barrel by itself cannot have any efficient means of propulsion and it is extremely limited in the space available. If your purpose is to travel across a body of water with speed and comfort, a barrel will not serve. A barrel can only be used to cross small bodies of water, and even that would be difficult. That means a barrel could be used as a boat theoretically, but only with great difficulty. A barrel functions poorly as a boat because it is not designed to function as a boat. It is designed to function as a cylindrical storage device, and the fact that it can be used as a boat in even a limited capacity is entirely incidental. That fact is why barrels are not used as boats, and why barrels are not identified as boats.

An object's ability to function as a boat is not an opinion, and it is not a subjective judgement - it is a fact. It is a fact that this:

is less effective as a tool for traveling across large bodies of water as this:

Laihendi

again what you are saying only applies to abstract concepts (not forms) created by humans. a chair is just a clump of matter, it has no intrinsic "function".

you can't give something intrinsic meaning, you can apply only your own subjective meaning.

Lai your beginning to convince me that you are quite the subjectivist.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]laihendi why are you charging $20 for your ebook? didnt you say it would be lowest price possible?Laihendi

Is anyone actually buying it?Ace6301

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Is anyone actually buying it?DroidPhysX

Lai, when does your book release? Side note: Is anyone actually buying it?Ace6301

in all honesty i might,

for novelty and academic curiosity.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

again what you are saying only applies to abstract concepts (not forms) created by humans. a chair is just a clump of matter, it has no intrinsic "function".

frannkzappa

you can't give something intrinsic meaning, you can apply only your own subjective meaning.

Lai your beginning to convince me that you are quite the subjectivist.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

in the eyes of humans it is merely slightly flawed and more than likely acceptable.

frannkzappa

That is pretty much what I am getting at, and applies to pretty much all chairs and most countries.

nah, i assert that most countries have passed the acceptable margin of error, by being unable to assert or protect themselves under their own power.

The vast, overwhelming majority can't compete with countries with global firepower projection regardless, and I would say that most within their regions are fairly capable of protecting themselves from their neighbors by force and/or deterrence. Then there's alliances, and, at that point, there is a pretty stable globe, where invasions are more or less an anomaly.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Lai, when does your book release? Side note: Is anyone actually buying it?frannkzappa

in all honesty i might,

for novelty and academic curiosity.

A few words about chairs:

The concept of a chair to most people does have in mind the function of sitting, and chairs are designed specifically for that purpose, independent of physical composition. While the clumps of wood in and of themselves have no intrinsic purpose, they were turned into the shape they were with the intention by humans for sitting. I'd argue that a chair is simply a human construct that is imperfectly replicated in the real world with no inherent function. Whether or not that puts me on Lai's or 'zappa's side, IDK, b/c i am not reading their little conversation.

[QUOTE="nomsayin"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]I am going to write a counter book called: "The Libertarian Paradox: How libertarians have been failing hard to push their ideology for centuries".DroidPhysX

Hate or love Laihendi, you have to admire his dedication. When this man wants to do something, he goes out there and gets it done. That's something we all can learn from 

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="nomsayin"] doubt you're dedicated enough....nomsayin

Hate or love Laihendi, you have to admire his dedication.

Indeed. He reminds me of suicide bombers.

Who on OT would buy Lai's book, realistically? Does Lai have any supporters that sympathize with his views on here? 

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="nomsayin"] doubt you're dedicated enough....nomsayin

Hate or love Laihendi, you have to admire his dedication. When this man wants to do something, he goes out there and gets it done. That's something we all can learn from 

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] It is the design/form of that clump of matter that gives it an intrinsic function. A chair is not just a clump of matter. It is a clump of matter shaped by materials, measurements, and proportions deliberately chosen so that it may effectively function as a chair. The clump of matter is then recognized as a chair because it demonstrably possesses the functional requirements of a chair. Until an object's function is recognized, the clump of matter has no meaning. It is just an incoherent jumble of colours, shapes, and textures. It is the act of recognizing an object's function that makes the jumble meaningful to a conscious individual.Laihendi

you can't give something intrinsic meaning, you can apply only your own subjective meaning.

Lai your beginning to convince me that you are quite the subjectivist.

A few words about chairs:

The concept of a chair to most people does have in mind the function of sitting, and chairs are designed specifically for that purpose, independent of physical composition. While the clumps of wood in and of themselves have no intrinsic purpose, they were turned into the shape they were with the intention by humans for sitting. I'd argue that a chair is simply a human construct that is imperfectly replicated in the real world with no inherent function. Whether or not that puts me on Lai's or 'zappa's side, IDK, b/c i am not reading their little conversation.

coolbeans90

that would be my side.

if you actually care that is.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

you can't give something intrinsic meaning, you can apply only your own subjective meaning.

Lai your beginning to convince me that you are quite the subjectivist.

Laihendi

Does Pi exist lai? as a physical thing?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] I received any email yesterday from someone who stated that he was a "huge fan" of my work and that he intended to buy it on the release day. Also I am delaying the release until later this summer because I took a break from writing. I do not have a specific date planned but it will be before the next semester starts (I will update my sig with this information later).Laihendi

This Joseph Serna?

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/01/news/la-heb-dyslexic-readers-learn-video-games-20130301

I recognized the name from the article, which I read some weeks ago.

And I'll buy the book. I'm very interested in seeing how far your dedication towards hating Obama goes.

I wonder if Joseph Serna would be pleased with Laihendi giving out his personal information on the internet in a feat of d!ck measurement.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] It is the design/form of that clump of matter that gives it an intrinsic function. A chair is not just a clump of matter. It is a clump of matter shaped by materials, measurements, and proportions deliberately chosen so that it may effectively function as a chair. The clump of matter is then recognized as a chair because it demonstrably possesses the functional requirements of a chair. Until an object's function is recognized, the clump of matter has no meaning. It is just an incoherent jumble of colours, shapes, and textures. It is the act of recognizing an object's function that makes the jumble meaningful to a conscious individual.Laihendi

you can't give something intrinsic meaning, you can apply only your own subjective meaning.

Lai your beginning to convince me that you are quite the subjectivist.

no i am supported by mathematics and observation.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

you can't give something intrinsic meaning, you can apply only your own subjective meaning.

Lai your beginning to convince me that you are quite the subjectivist.

Laihendi

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] I am not a subjectivist. You are a subjectivist. You go around claiming that reality does not exist and that things are approximations of themselves because you believe that would be ideal.Ace6301

which, coincidentally support Plato's theory.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] I am not a subjectivist. You are a subjectivist. You go around claiming that reality does not exist and that things are approximations of themselves because you believe that would be ideal.frannkzappa

Does Pi exist lai? as a physical thing?

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

A few words about chairs:

The concept of a chair to most people does have in mind the function of sitting, and chairs are designed specifically for that purpose, independent of physical composition. While the clumps of wood in and of themselves have no intrinsic purpose, they were turned into the shape they were with the intention by humans for sitting. I'd argue that a chair is simply a human construct that is imperfectly replicated in the real world with no inherent function. Whether or not that puts me on Lai's or 'zappa's side, IDK, b/c i am not reading their little conversation.

frannkzappa

that would be my side.

if you actually care that is.

Cool.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] There is no evidence to objectively support most of Plato's philosophy. His aesthetics are based on arbitrary whims, his metaphysics are based on his aesthetics, and his ethics are based on his metaphysics. His entire philosophy is reducible to "this is perfect, because I said so".Laihendi

Does Pi exist lai? as a physical thing?

how do you find the area of a circle lai? an equation would do.

I wonder if Joseph Serna would be pleased with Laihendi giving out his personal information on the internet in a feat of d!ck measurement.

coolbeans90

I wonder if there is some sort of a derivation for pi.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I wonder if Joseph Serna would be pleased with Laihendi giving out his personal information on the internet in a feat of d!ck measurement.

Laihendi

subjective.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

Does Pi exist lai? as a physical thing?

frannkzappa

how do you find the area of a circle lai? an equation would do.

I wonder if there is some sort of a derivation for pi.

coolbeans90

as a concept or perfect form? no.

but in the real world you can't have a line measuring Pi units long though.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Pi is not a physical object; it is a ratio. A ratio is a concept.Laihendi

how do you find the area of a circle lai? an equation would do.

answer the question lai.

don't go off on a tangent (math joke)

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I wonder if there is some sort of a derivation for pi.

frannkzappa

as a concept or perfect form? no.

but in the real world you can't have a line measuring Pi units long though.

I meant a mathematical derivation of sorts, not real world sh!t. Just curious.

Where is chessmaster when you need him?

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I wonder if there is some sort of a derivation for pi.

coolbeans90

as a concept or perfect form? no.

but in the real world you can't have a line measuring Pi units long though.

I meant a mathematical derivation of sorts, not real world sh!t. Just curious.

that's some pretty hardcore shit your asking for, not sure i can provide.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I wonder if Joseph Serna would be pleased with Laihendi giving out his personal information on the internet in a feat of d!ck measurement.

frannkzappa

subjective.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] He would probably be pleased to know that he got a shout-out from someone he is a huge fan of. And Ace, please explain how either of those things contradict Ayn Rand's law of identity (or any of her other theories).Laihendi

subjective.

Prove your point by showing the statistics.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

how do you find the area of a circle lai? an equation would do.

frannkzappa

answer the question lai.

don't go off on a tangent (math joke)

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

subjective.

jimkabrhel

Prove your point by showing the statistics.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

as a concept or perfect form? no.

 

but in the real world you can't have a line measuring Pi units long though.

frannkzappa

I meant a mathematical derivation of sorts, not real world sh!t. Just curious.

that's some pretty hardcore shit your asking for, not sure i can provide.

Yeah, I'd imagine it could be pretty ballsy stuff. It's just a little weird how much I use it, yet I know precious little about it.

Where is chessmaster when you need him?

coolbeans90