What is the one thing that shapes your whole political philosophy?

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] A circle is a theoretical concept used to approximate physical reality. A circle is not an object; it is a shape. A shape can be applied/related to an object, but a shape is not itself an object.Laihendi

answer the question lai.

don't go off on a tangent (math joke)

answer the question lai, how do you find the area of a circle.

I am using anecdotal statistics. Obviously I do not have actual documented data supporting my claim as that is an obscure claim to go to the trouble of doing a poll/survey on.Laihendi

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] No, a subjective statement would be for me to claim that he must be pleased just because I think so. My statement is objective because it is based on reason. People generally like it when they are recognized/distinguished in a positive manner by someone they highly admire. Therefore it stands to reason that Joseph Serna likely feels the same way. I am not saying that he does, because I have no way to verify this. I am saying that he probably does because the statistics support this claim.Laihendi

Prove your point by showing the statistics.

In other words, you are making a statement that has little support. You claim that this Joseph Serna is a big fan of yours, but you cannot back up this claim except for some handwaving and bullshit.

If you are going to make a claim inculding a specific person (who may not want to be mentioned her by name), you should back it up. Why would I trust your book to have accurate information if you cannot back up claims here?

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I wonder if there is some sort of a derivation for pi.

coolbeans90

as a concept or perfect form? no.

but in the real world you can't have a line measuring Pi units long though.

I meant a mathematical derivation of sorts, not real world sh!t. Just curious.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Where is chessmaster when you need him?

chessmaster1989

Tell me, bro, what do you know about Pi?

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] He would probably be pleased to know that he got a shout-out from someone he is a huge fan of. And Ace, please explain how either of those things contradict Ayn Rand's law of identity (or any of her other theories).Laihendi

subjective.

so you are suggesting reason is homogenized and universal?

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Where is chessmaster when you need him?

coolbeans90

Tell me, bro, what do you know about Pi?

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

as a concept or perfect form? no.

 

but in the real world you can't have a line measuring Pi units long though.

chessmaster1989

I meant a mathematical derivation of sorts, not real world sh!t. Just curious.

Cool.

I will look into it.

True story:

You have 2*pi radians per pie.

Also, radian isn't considered a word according to GS spell check.

True story:

You have 2*pi radians of pi per pie.

Also, radian isn't considered a word according to GS spell check.

coolbeans90

If I have 2 pis per pie does that mean I have infinity pies?

True story:

You have 2*pi radians per pie.

Also, radian isn't considered a word according to GS spell check.

coolbeans90

lol

to both those things.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

True story:

You have 2*pi radians of pi per pie.

Also, radian isn't considered a word according to GS spell check.

chessmaster1989

If I have 2 pis per pie does that mean I have infinity pies?

Yes.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] And Ace, please explain how either of those things contradict Ayn Rand's law of identity (or any of her other theories).Ace6301

was looking for a quote similar to that.

thanks.

Mmmmm, pi. I mean, mmmmm, pie. 

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

True story:

You have 2*pi radians of pi per pie.

Also, radian isn't considered a word according to GS spell check.

coolbeans90

If I have 2 pis per pie does that mean I have infinity pies?

Yes.

i think lai is having a hard time figuring out how to find the area of a circle.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

answer the question lai.

don't go off on a tangent (math joke)

frannkzappa

answer the question lai, how do you find the area of a circle.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Yes, pi can be used as a tool to determine the area of a circle. Pi is still not an object.Laihendi

answer the question lai, how do you find the area of a circle.

can a real object have a radius? not necessarily a defined one, just a radius.

i think lai is having a hard time figuring out how to find the area of a circle.

frannkzappa

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Yes, pi can be used as a tool to determine the area of a circle. Pi is still not an object.Laihendi

answer the question lai, how do you find the area of a circle.

You disclosed the name, so you've already violated someone's privacy if you didn't ask Joseph Serna's permission. The name is enough for some enterprising person to harass. 

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

answer the question lai, how do you find the area of a circle.

frannkzappa

can a real object have a radius? not necessarily a defined one, just a radius.

In practice, you could have a line of length pi, given perfectly accurate tools. Of course, you would have to get it by construction. You could also construct (say) a line of radius sqrt(2).

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

i think lai is having a hard time figuring out how to find the area of a circle.

Laihendi

it was just an observation on your seeming unwillingness to answer the question.

you have answered the question and it has been rescinded.

r = 0

done

Pi = 3chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Acircle = pi * r *r Now please explain how this is relevant to the question of whether pi is an object. @ Jim - I am not going to show you my emails as that is a violation of my privacy and his trust in me respecting his privacy. I am also not going to give you his email address as that could result in him being harassed. You are just being paranoid and demanding unreasonable levels of disclosure.Laihendi

can a real object have a radius? not necessarily a defined one, just a radius.

is that a yes? would something like a frisbee have a radius?

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] And Ace, please explain how either of those things contradict Ayn Rand's law of identity (or any of her other theories).Ace6301

It contradicts the epistemology of her metaphysics. Ace6301

r = 0

done

coolbeans90

but does 0 exist(physically)? and if not can you say r is real?

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

r = 0

done

frannkzappa

but does 0 exist(physically)? and if not can you say r is real?

that was the joke

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

r = 0

done

coolbeans90

but does 0 exist(physically)? and if not can you say r is real?

that was the joke

as was what i said.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

can a real object have a radius? not necessarily a defined one, just a radius.

frannkzappa

is that a yes? would something like a frisbee have a radius?

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Theoretically, yes. As to whether is has actually literally happened, I do not know.Laihendi

is that a yes? would something like a frisbee have a radius?

i don't think you grasp what a radius is.

the answer is yes real objects have radius's as long as they have a center and a defining outline(all objects do), we just can't measure them accurately.

can we use Pi and r in the form of " Pi*r^2" to describe the world with any amount of accuracy?

I kind of hate you right now Ace.chessmaster1989

You are assuming that ignorance of causal factors necessitates an absence of causal factors. This is essentially the same argument Christians use when they claim that not being able to explain something is proof that God did it.Laihendi

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

is that a yes? would something like a frisbee have a radius?

frannkzappa

i don't think you grasp what a radius is.

the answer is yes real objects have radius's as long as they have a center and a defining outline(all objects do), we just can't measure them accurately.

can we use Pi and r in the form of " Pi*r^2" to describe the world with any amount of accuracy?

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] A frisbee that perfectly conformed to the shape of a circle would have a radius. A frisbee that does not perfectly confirm to the shape of a circle does not possess a literal radius.Laihendi

i don't think you grasp what a radius is.

the answer is yes real objects have radius's as long as they have a center and a defining outline(all objects do), we just can't measure them accurately.

can we use Pi and r in the form of " Pi*r^2" to describe the world with any amount of accuracy?

how can something that doesn't exist(pi) explain the universe, which can only be assumed to be real.

Theorem: laihendi and frannkzappa are morons Proof: This threadchessmaster1989

your mean.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]I kind of hate you right now Ace.Ace6301

You are assuming that ignorance of causal factors necessitates an absence of causal factors. This is essentially the same argument Christians use when they claim that not being able to explain something is proof that God did it.Laihendi

but wat if the radius of curvature that isn't a constant value?

are we to cast away the bastard radii, or take them into our homes as children and treat them like our other frisbees?

they didn't choose to be born that way

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

i don't think you grasp what a radius is.

the answer is yes real objects have radius's as long as they have a center and a defining outline(all objects do), we just can't measure them accurately.

can we use Pi and r in the form of " Pi*r^2" to describe the world with any amount of accuracy?

frannkzappa

how can something that doesn't exist(pi) explain the universe, which can only be assumed to be real.

but wat if the radius of curvature that isn't a constant value?

are we to cast away the bastard radii, or take them into our homes as children and treat them like our other frisbees?

they didn't choose to be born that way

coolbeans90

this i like.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] To describe circular objects, yes. Now please explain how pi is itself an object.Laihendi

how can something that doesn't exist(pi) explain the universe, which can only be assumed to be real.

so pi exists, yet can not be found in nature?

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

how can something that doesn't exist(pi) explain the universe, which can only be assumed to be real.

frannkzappa

so pi exists, yet can not be found in nature?