What Is The Purpose Of Life? Poll.
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[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]To serve and glorify God and help and love others. :)diz360
Which one? The Christian one? The Islamic one? The Hindi ones?
How can you be so sure that your God is the one true God, as opposed to the thousands of others Gods believed in by others?
Oh, because he has faith. :roll:
[QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]To serve and glorify God and help and love others. :)Funky_Llama
Which one? The Christian one? The Islamic one? The Hindi ones?
How can you be so sure that your God is the one true God, as opposed to the thousands of others Gods believed in by others?
Oh, because he has faith. :roll:
So have they.
Globally, most Christians and Muslims believe their Gods to be the only one true God.
[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]To serve and glorify God and help and love others. :)diz360
Which one? The Christian one? The Islamic one? The Hindi ones?
How can you be so sure that your God is the one true God, as opposed to the thousands of others Gods believed in by others?
Oh, because he has faith. :roll:
So have they.
Globally, most Christians and Muslims believe their Gods to be the only one true God.
Yeah, but he knows his faith is the right faith. Why? Because he has faith that it is. :P
[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]To Know love and Serve the Lord, Love Others and Eventually be with God in Heaven. That's what I think, you don't have to agree..
"Puts up Flame Shield" muuhhhahaha You can't touch me"
GTA_dude
My only thought with that, is I just wonder why he would create us to just love him an serve him? You shouldn't have to create someone to love yourself....If there is a god, I dont think that is why he created us. Thats just my personal view.
And I think we are here to continue and improve the human race.
"Thou hast created all things, and for Thy pleasure they are and were created." - Revelation 4:11.
"All things were created by Him and for Him." - Colossians 1:16.
The simple answer to why God created us, is, 'for Thy pleasure'.
Hmm.. I personally believe that it's to find someone you can live your life with. I believe that we are born incomplete and are only complete by finding our balance within someone else.
[QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]To serve and glorify God and help and love others. :)Funky_Llama
Which one? The Christian one? The Islamic one? The Hindi ones?
How can you be so sure that your God is the one true God, as opposed to the thousands of others Gods believed in by others?
Oh, because he has faith. :roll:
So have they.
Globally, most Christians and Muslims believe their Gods to be the only one true God.
Yeah, but he knows his faith is the right faith. Why? Because he has faith that it is. :P
Wrong, my faith isn't based on my faith. My faith is based on the Bible and the things which God has done. The difference between my faith and other religious people's faith is Jesus Christ.
[QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]To serve and glorify God and help and love others. :)Funky_Llama
Which one? The Christian one? The Islamic one? The Hindi ones?
How can you be so sure that your God is the one true God, as opposed to the thousands of others Gods believed in by others?
Oh, because he has faith. :roll:
:roll: not the ":roll:" icon again Funky. I wonder how many times on average you use that a day?
Wrong, my faith isn't based on my faith. My faith is based on the Bible and the things which God has done. The difference between my faith and other religious people's faith is Jesus Christ.Lansdowne5
Islamic people believe in Jesus as a prophet, so why don't you believe in Islam too?
[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]To serve and glorify God and help and love others. :)Lansdowne5
Which one? The Christian one? The Islamic one? The Hindi ones?
How can you be so sure that your God is the one true God, as opposed to the thousands of others Gods believed in by others?
Oh, because he has faith. :roll:
:roll: not the ":roll:" icon again Funky. I wonder how many times on average you use that a day?
Oh, loads. I'm even more sarcastic in real life. :D
[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Yeah, but he knows his faith is the right faith. Why? Because he has faith that it is. :Pdiz360
Knowledge is not the same as faith.
You do realise I'm being sarcastic, right? :|
"Thou hast created all things, and for Thy pleasure they are and were created." - Revelation 4:11."All things were created by Him and for Him." - Colossians 1:16.
The simple answer to why God created us, is, 'for Thy pleasure'.
Lansdowne5
for God's own pleasure?
Does God get pleasure from all the wholesale death disease and destruction due to "natural causes" then?
[QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Yeah, but he knows his faith is the right faith. Why? Because he has faith that it is. :PFunky_Llama
Knowledge is not the same as faith.
You do realise I'm being sarcastic, right? :|
Don't you know any sarky combacks pertaining to knowledge and faith then?
[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Yeah, but he knows his faith is the right faith. Why? Because he has faith that it is. :Pdiz360
Knowledge is not the same as faith.
You do realise I'm being sarcastic, right? :|
Don't you know any sarky combacks pertaining to knowledge and faith then?
Alas, no. :P
To serve your own purpose. To look after numero uno
The point of life is to be happy, plain and simple.
Its not selfish, its just how things work out. If you look out for your own happines, more often than not others around you are happy.
When youre young, you want to things that make you happy. This is turn makes your parents happy. Conversely, your parents want you to succeed because it makes them happy, so they encourage you to do things you may not want to do.
As you grow older, ambition grows and maybe you want to go to college. Again, this is self-serving but fine; a lot of good can come from getting an education, and not just for yourself.
After a while, you want a family of your own. Not only do you want a nice wife, but you want a hot wife. So you work out and improve your physical appearance. Youre happy cuz you got a hot, nice wife and your kids will be good looking, and youre wife in turn is happy cuz she has a cute, college-educated husband. Again, the best result occurs from when people look out for numero uno.
With that said, the point of life can be anything because anything can make anyone happy.
[QUOTE="battlefront23"]@Shad0 First off I though you were a Christian. But anyway A simple no by God was good enough. Not really but does there need to be one? God told them not to; that's enough of a reason right there.Shad0ki11
Is it wrong for me to question God?
God told them not to eat the fruit but failed to mention a serpent just might try to trick them into eating the fruit. That would have been a wise thing for God to do. A simple "No" does not suffice if God knew that they would fall into a trap. An infinitely intelligent, infinitely wise being would have warned them of the snake.
But still, I want to know why they weren't supposed to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Knowing what is good and evil is a gift, yet Adam and Eve were forbidden to recieve that knowledge.
If they didn't know what good or evil was, how did they even know that the serpent was leading them to do bad things? That is another reason why they should have been warned of the serpent.
Just as Christians warn non-believers about hell, God should have warned Adam and Eve about the serpent. After He "found out" that they disobeyed Him, He then punishes Adam and Eve (and the serpent) for not listening to Him as if He didn't already know that would happen.
1. God doesn't meddle in our affairs like that. But regardless, what is to say that even if God had warned us, we would not still have disobeyed him?
2. There are two things which distinguish God as a god. A) he knows the difference between good and evil and B) he has everlasting life. If they had obtained both those qualities they would be on a par with God.
3. They knew what obedience was and God explicitly warned them not to eat from the two trees. Regardless of whether they could tell what was good and evil, they still had free will to choose, and even if they didn't know they were being evil, they knew they were doing something wrong.
4. Again, you don't know God's reasoning. What is to say that if he had warned them, they would not just go and do the same thing another time? He always knew what they would do, but he had to give them the choice to do it, or else he would not be giving them free will.
[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]@Shad0 First off I though you were a Christian. But anyway A simple no by God was good enough. Not really but does there need to be one? God told them not to; that's enough of a reason right there.Lansdowne5
Is it wrong for me to question God?
God told them not to eat the fruit but failed to mention a serpent just might try to trick them into eating the fruit. That would have been a wise thing for God to do. A simple "No" does not suffice if God knew that they would fall into a trap. An infinitely intelligent, infinitely wise being would have warned them of the snake.
But still, I want to know why they weren't supposed to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Knowing what is good and evil is a gift, yet Adam and Eve were forbidden to recieve that knowledge.
If they didn't know what good or evil was, how did they even know that the serpent was leading them to do bad things? That is another reason why they should have been warned of the serpent.
Just as Christians warn non-believers about hell, God should have warned Adam and Eve about the serpent. After He "found out" that they disobeyed Him, He then punishes Adam and Eve (and the serpent) for not listening to Him as if He didn't already know that would happen.
1. God doesn't meddle in our affairs like that. But regardless, what is to say that even if God had warned us, we would not still have disobeyed him?
2. There are two things which distinguish God as a god. A) he knows the difference between good and evil and B) he has everlasting life. If they had obtained both those qualities they would be on a par with God.
3. They knew what obedience was and God explicitly warned them not to eat from the two trees. Regardless of whether they could tell what was good and evil, they still had free will to choose, and even if they didn't know they were being evil, they knew they were doing something wrong.
4. Again, you don't know God's reasoning. What is to say that if he had warned them, they would not just go and do the same thing another time? He always knew what they would do, but he had to give them the choice to do it, or else he would not be giving them free will.
1. Because... hey, hang on, why didn't God destroy the serpent?
2. You're forgetting omnipotence and omniscience. Deliberately, methinks.
3. They knew nothing of morality, so they must have been perfectly innocent when they followed the serpent's instructions - ie, they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.
4. Or, he could design them so it was in their nature to be good.
[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]"Thou hast created all things, and for Thy pleasure they are and were created." - Revelation 4:11."All things were created by Him and for Him." - Colossians 1:16.
The simple answer to why God created us, is, 'for Thy pleasure'.
diz360
for God's own pleasure?
Does God get pleasure from all the wholesale death disease and destruction due to "natural causes" then?
I can see where this is heading. God is all powerful right? All knowing? But he's still on his own, if he were to create someone equal in power to him, they would be able to turn on him and cause havock. So he creates the Human race, in his image, capable of worshipping him and loving him, he takes pleasure in this, he loved the Creation he had made. His children.
God did not let the evil in, we did. He hates the evil, the death, the destruction, he is a Holy, peaceful being. Next we are going to get on to, "Why then, did God create Evil in the first place?" I'll answer that once we have finished with the matter in hand.
To live.
The way I see it we all make our own purpose to live.
Some people live to make other happy
Some people live to make themselvs happy
some people have an ultimate goal they wish to achive in life
some want to change the way we all live
some people live just to live, and enjoy it no matter how they do
There is no set purpose in our lives imo, we make our own way. Thats whats so great about life, you make it your own, otherwise what would be the point?
[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]@Shad0 First off I though you were a Christian. But anyway A simple no by God was good enough. Not really but does there need to be one? God told them not to; that's enough of a reason right there.Lansdowne5
Is it wrong for me to question God?
God told them not to eat the fruit but failed to mention a serpent just might try to trick them into eating the fruit. That would have been a wise thing for God to do. A simple "No" does not suffice if God knew that they would fall into a trap. An infinitely intelligent, infinitely wise being would have warned them of the snake.
But still, I want to know why they weren't supposed to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Knowing what is good and evil is a gift, yet Adam and Eve were forbidden to recieve that knowledge.
If they didn't know what good or evil was, how did they even know that the serpent was leading them to do bad things? That is another reason why they should have been warned of the serpent.
Just as Christians warn non-believers about hell, God should have warned Adam and Eve about the serpent. After He "found out" that they disobeyed Him, He then punishes Adam and Eve (and the serpent) for not listening to Him as if He didn't already know that would happen.
1. God doesn't meddle in our affairs like that. But regardless, what is to say that even if God had warned us, we would not still have disobeyed him?
2. There are two things which distinguish God as a god. A) he knows the difference between good and evil and B) he has everlasting life. If they had obtained both those qualities they would be on a par with God.
3. They knew what obedience was and God explicitly warned them not to eat from the two trees. Regardless of whether they could tell what was good and evil, they still had free will to choose, and even if they didn't know they were being evil, they knew they were doing something wrong.
4. Again, you don't know God's reasoning. What is to say that if he had warned them, they would not just go and do the same thing another time? He always knew what they would do, but he had to give them the choice to do it, or else he would not be giving them free will.
1. How do you know? It sounds as if you know God's intent personally.
2. God's everlasting life must exist in our death, so God can judge us. Could this mean we have everlasting life too? Adam and Eve did know the difference between good and evil. In that story, they chose to disregard it.
3. If they didn't know the difference between good and evil, how could they make a valid choice?
4. If God knew they would sin, it means they had no free-will, since God must have pre-selected this outcome.
You say other people don't know how God thinks, but then state that you do. Don't you think that everyone that believes in God anthromorphosizes God's nature? Isn't it human nature to do that?
I can see where this is heading. God is all powerful right? All knowing? But he's still on his own, if he were to create someone equal in power to him, they would be able to turn on him and cause havock. So he creates the Human race, in his image, capable of worshipping him and loving him, he takes pleasure in this, he loved the Creation he had made. His children.
God did not let the evil in, we did. He hates the evil, the death, the destruction, he is a Holy, peaceful being. Next we are going to get on to, "Why then, did God create Evil in the first place?" I'll answer that once we have finished with the matter in hand.
Lansdowne5
it's got nothing to do with evil. I'm talking about earthquakes, floods, tidal waves, tornadoes, droughts, meteor impacts and other NATURAL disasters. For God's pleasure, right?
[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]@Shad0 First off I though you were a Christian. But anyway A simple no by God was good enough. Not really but does there need to be one? God told them not to; that's enough of a reason right there.Funky_Llama
Is it wrong for me to question God?
God told them not to eat the fruit but failed to mention a serpent just might try to trick them into eating the fruit. That would have been a wise thing for God to do. A simple "No" does not suffice if God knew that they would fall into a trap. An infinitely intelligent, infinitely wise being would have warned them of the snake.
But still, I want to know why they weren't supposed to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Knowing what is good and evil is a gift, yet Adam and Eve were forbidden to recieve that knowledge.
If they didn't know what good or evil was, how did they even know that the serpent was leading them to do bad things? That is another reason why they should have been warned of the serpent.
Just as Christians warn non-believers about hell, God should have warned Adam and Eve about the serpent. After He "found out" that they disobeyed Him, He then punishes Adam and Eve (and the serpent) for not listening to Him as if He didn't already know that would happen.
1. God doesn't meddle in our affairs like that. But regardless, what is to say that even if God had warned us, we would not still have disobeyed him?
2. There are two things which distinguish God as a god. A) he knows the difference between good and evil and B) he has everlasting life. If they had obtained both those qualities they would be on a par with God.
3. They knew what obedience was and God explicitly warned them not to eat from the two trees. Regardless of whether they could tell what was good and evil, they still had free will to choose, and even if they didn't know they were being evil, they knew they were doing something wrong.
4. Again, you don't know God's reasoning. What is to say that if he had warned them, they would not just go and do the same thing another time? He always knew what they would do, but he had to give them the choice to do it, or else he would not be giving them free will.
1. Because... hey, hang on, why didn't God destroy the serpent?
2. You're forgetting omnipotence and omniscience. Deliberately, methinks.
3. They knew nothing of morality, so they must have been perfectly innocent when they followed the serpent's instructions - ie, they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.
4. Or, he could design them so it was in their nature to be good.
1. If God were to destroy the serpent, are frame of mind hasn't changed. We would be just as likely to do it again.
2. Nope, those aren't the qualilties that distinguish God, how much intelligence and power you have doesn't make you into a god.
3. Yes they did, they knew why they must obey God. They choose not to. They knew that obedience was the right thing to do and that disobedience was the wrong thing to do. They weren't like animals, they had free will and knew the consequences of their actions. They choose disobedience even though they knew it was wrong.
4. If you couldn't choose to do evil, you wouldn't have free will.
[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]
I can see where this is heading. God is all powerful right? All knowing? But he's still on his own, if he were to create someone equal in power to him, they would be able to turn on him and cause havock. So he creates the Human race, in his image, capable of worshipping him and loving him, he takes pleasure in this, he loved the Creation he had made. His children.
God did not let the evil in, we did. He hates the evil, the death, the destruction, he is a Holy, peaceful being. Next we are going to get on to, "Why then, did God create Evil in the first place?" I'll answer that once we have finished with the matter in hand.
diz360
it's got nothing to do with evil. I'm talking about earthquakes, floods, tidal waves, tornadoes, droughts, meteor impacts and other NATURAL disasters. For God's pleasure, right?
Nope, they were all introduced when evil was brought into the world.
[QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]
I can see where this is heading. God is all powerful right? All knowing? But he's still on his own, if he were to create someone equal in power to him, they would be able to turn on him and cause havock. So he creates the Human race, in his image, capable of worshipping him and loving him, he takes pleasure in this, he loved the Creation he had made. His children.
God did not let the evil in, we did. He hates the evil, the death, the destruction, he is a Holy, peaceful being. Next we are going to get on to, "Why then, did God create Evil in the first place?" I'll answer that once we have finished with the matter in hand.
Lansdowne5
it's got nothing to do with evil. I'm talking about earthquakes, floods, tidal waves, tornadoes, droughts, meteor impacts and other NATURAL disasters. For God's pleasure, right?
Nope, they were all introduced when evil was brought into the world.
What about their random nature and the millions of innocent children killed throughout history by natural disasters?
What a vengeful God! Why believe in such a vengeful God?
[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]@Shad0 First off I though you were a Christian. But anyway A simple no by God was good enough. Not really but does there need to be one? God told them not to; that's enough of a reason right there.diz360
Is it wrong for me to question God?
God told them not to eat the fruit but failed to mention a serpent just might try to trick them into eating the fruit. That would have been a wise thing for God to do. A simple "No" does not suffice if God knew that they would fall into a trap. An infinitely intelligent, infinitely wise being would have warned them of the snake.
But still, I want to know why they weren't supposed to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Knowing what is good and evil is a gift, yet Adam and Eve were forbidden to recieve that knowledge.
If they didn't know what good or evil was, how did they even know that the serpent was leading them to do bad things? That is another reason why they should have been warned of the serpent.
Just as Christians warn non-believers about hell, God should have warned Adam and Eve about the serpent. After He "found out" that they disobeyed Him, He then punishes Adam and Eve (and the serpent) for not listening to Him as if He didn't already know that would happen.
1. God doesn't meddle in our affairs like that. But regardless, what is to say that even if God had warned us, we would not still have disobeyed him?
2. There are two things which distinguish God as a god. A) he knows the difference between good and evil and B) he has everlasting life. If they had obtained both those qualities they would be on a par with God.
3. They knew what obedience was and God explicitly warned them not to eat from the two trees. Regardless of whether they could tell what was good and evil, they still had free will to choose, and even if they didn't know they were being evil, they knew they were doing something wrong.
4. Again, you don't know God's reasoning. What is to say that if he had warned them, they would not just go and do the same thing another time? He always knew what they would do, but he had to give them the choice to do it, or else he would not be giving them free will.
1. How do you know? It sounds as if you know God's intent personally.
2. God's everlasting life must exist in our death, so God can judge us. Could this mean we have everlasting life too? Adam and Eve did know the difference between good and evil. In that story, they chose to disregard it.
3. If they didn't know the difference between good and evil, how could they make a valid choice?
4. If God knew they would sin, it means they had no free-will, since God must have pre-selected this outcome.
You say other people don't know how God thinks, but then state that you do. Don't you think that everyone that believes in God anthromorphosizes God's nature? Isn't it human nature to do that?
1. God explains everything in the Bible.
2. Our souls are eternal, our bodies are not. No, they didn't know the difference between good and evil, they knew what was right and wrong though.
3. They had free will and they knew what was right.
4. No, he didn't select it, he left us to choose, he knew what would happen, he didn't make it happen.
We know God's nature from the Bible, kind and all loving.
[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]
I can see where this is heading. God is all powerful right? All knowing? But he's still on his own, if he were to create someone equal in power to him, they would be able to turn on him and cause havock. So he creates the Human race, in his image, capable of worshipping him and loving him, he takes pleasure in this, he loved the Creation he had made. His children.
God did not let the evil in, we did. He hates the evil, the death, the destruction, he is a Holy, peaceful being. Next we are going to get on to, "Why then, did God create Evil in the first place?" I'll answer that once we have finished with the matter in hand.
diz360
it's got nothing to do with evil. I'm talking about earthquakes, floods, tidal waves, tornadoes, droughts, meteor impacts and other NATURAL disasters. For God's pleasure, right?
Nope, they were all introduced when evil was brought into the world.
What about their random nature and the millions of innocent children killed throughout history by natural disasters?
What a vengeful God! Why believe in such a vengeful God?
God is looking at everything from an arbitrary point of view, whereas we see the singular events. He is making decisions that affect all of time.
Read the Bible and find out.
1. God explains everything in the Bible.
2. Our souls are eternal, our bodies are not. No, they didn't know the difference between good and evil, they knew what was right and wrong though.
3. They had free will and they knew what was right.
4. No, he didn't select it, he left us to choose, he knew what would happen, he didn't make it happen.
We know God's nature from the Bible, kind and all loving.
Lansdowne5
1. Where is there an explanation for the fossils in the bible?
2. By your own definition we are God then - we are eternal (our souls are) and we do know good from evil. have you shot yourself in the divine foot there?
3. It's a story - one of several different stories in Genesis about the creation. It has been thoroughly superceded by scientific discovery and now is thought of as only a "metaphore", even by the vast majority of Christians.
4. If God knew the outcome, there was no free will. This is just one more religious paradox stemming from unrealistic biblical texts being taken as truth.
Why not believe the Qu'ran's version of creation? Why not believe in cosmological evolution? There's certainly plenty more evidence for it.
God is looking at everything from an arbitrary point of view, whereas we see the singular events. He is making decisions that affect all of time.
Read the Bible and find out.
Lansdowne5
Please point me to the section in the bible that says God looks at everything from an arbitrary point of view. If that is true, why bother believing in God?
I am 42 and have read the bible a huge amount. I ask these questions while kniowing that there are no answers for them in the bible.
Once again, you presume to know how God thinks in excusing the senseless, random and amoral nature of existence.
Perhaps you should read something aside from the bible.
[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]1. God explains everything in the Bible.
2. Our souls are eternal, our bodies are not. No, they didn't know the difference between good and evil, they knew what was right and wrong though.
3. They had free will and they knew what was right.
4. No, he didn't select it, he left us to choose, he knew what would happen, he didn't make it happen.
We know God's nature from the Bible, kind and all loving.
diz360
1. Where is there an explanation for the fossils in the bible?
2. By your own definition we are God then - we are eternal (our souls are) and we do know good from evil. have you shot yourself in the divine foot there?
3. It's a story - one of several different stories in Genesis about the creation. It has been thoroughly superceded by scientific discovery and now is thought of as only a "metaphore", even by the vast majority of Christians.
4. If God knew the outcome, there was no free will. This is just one more religious paradox stemming from unrealistic biblical texts being taken as truth.
Why not believe the Qu'ran's version of creation? Why not believe in cosmological evolution? There's certainly plenty more evidence for it.
1. Why should there be? Anyway that's a completely different subject.
2. Nope, by eating from the Tree of Life our human bodies would have been made eternal.
3. That is besides the point. We are not looking at the evidence for it being real. Just the morality behind the situation.
4. Why do you think that just because God knew the outcome, that meant we didn't have free will to choose? I may know your going to go out and buy a bottle of milk later on, does that mean you don't have the free will to do it? No.
I've already told you, Jesus Christ.
[QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]1. God explains everything in the Bible.
2. Our souls are eternal, our bodies are not. No, they didn't know the difference between good and evil, they knew what was right and wrong though.
3. They had free will and they knew what was right.
4. No, he didn't select it, he left us to choose, he knew what would happen, he didn't make it happen.
We know God's nature from the Bible, kind and all loving.
Lansdowne5
1. Where is there an explanation for the fossils in the bible?
2. By your own definition we are God then - we are eternal (our souls are) and we do know good from evil. have you shot yourself in the divine foot there?
3. It's a story - one of several different stories in Genesis about the creation. It has been thoroughly superceded by scientific discovery and now is thought of as only a "metaphore", even by the vast majority of Christians.
4. If God knew the outcome, there was no free will. This is just one more religious paradox stemming from unrealistic biblical texts being taken as truth.
Why not believe the Qu'ran's version of creation? Why not believe in cosmological evolution? There's certainly plenty more evidence for it.
1. Why should there be? Anyway that's a completely different subject.
2. Nope, by eating from the Tree of Life our human bodies would have been made eternal.
3. That is besides the point. We are not looking at the evidence for it being real. Just the morality to behind the situation.
4. Why do you think that just because God knew the outcome, that meant we didn't have free will to choose? I may know your going to go out and buy a bottle of milk later on, does that mean you don't have the free will to do it? No.
I've already told you, Jesus Christ.
1. Because you said God explains everything in the bible. Patently, god does not...
2. You also said our souls are eternal, making us divine...
3. Morality was inherited by religion. It is clear to see that from studying psychology, pack behaviour and early pre-monothesitic civilisation.
4. If the outcome is pre-determined, there was never a choice.
And I told you - Islamics ALSO believe in Jesus, so why don't you believe in Islam too?
[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]God is looking at everything from an arbitrary point of view, whereas we see the singular events. He is making decisions that affect all of time.
Read the Bible and find out.
diz360
Please point me to the section in the bible that says God looks at everything from an arbitrary point of view. If that is true, why bother believing in God?
I am 42 and have read the bible a huge amount. I ask these questions while kniowing that there are no answers for them in the bible.
Once again, you presume to know how God thinks in excusing the senseless, random and amoral nature of existence.
Perhaps you should read something aside from the bible.
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." - Revelation 1:8
If you really think that then you need to carefully read it again dude. This time without a biased opinion.
I do know God. I don't know how God is, nor why God is, nor where God came from. But I can assure you, I do know God.
What would you suggest? I know! The Origin of Species.
[QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]
I can see where this is heading. God is all powerful right? All knowing? But he's still on his own, if he were to create someone equal in power to him, they would be able to turn on him and cause havock. So he creates the Human race, in his image, capable of worshipping him and loving him, he takes pleasure in this, he loved the Creation he had made. His children.
God did not let the evil in, we did. He hates the evil, the death, the destruction, he is a Holy, peaceful being. Next we are going to get on to, "Why then, did God create Evil in the first place?" I'll answer that once we have finished with the matter in hand.
Lansdowne5
it's got nothing to do with evil. I'm talking about earthquakes, floods, tidal waves, tornadoes, droughts, meteor impacts and other NATURAL disasters. For God's pleasure, right?
Nope, they were all introduced when evil was brought into the world.
What about their random nature and the millions of innocent children killed throughout history by natural disasters?
What a vengeful God! Why believe in such a vengeful God?
God is looking at everything from an arbitrary point of view, whereas we see the singular events. He is making decisions that affect all of time.
Read the Bible and find out.
In other words, you have no explanation.
1. Because you said God explains everything in the bible. Patently, god does not...
2. You also said our souls are eternal, making us divine...
3. Morality was inherited by religion. It is clear to see that from studying psychology, pack behaviour and early pre-monothesitic civilisation.
4. If the outcome is pre-determined, there was never a choice.
And I told you - Islamics ALSO believe in Jesus, so why don't you believe in Islam too?
diz360
Well probably because their tale of Jesus comes from a man 600-700 years after Jesus himself. Its much more liekly that the cannical gospels to be a better portrayal of Jesus's actual life.
Also I'm gonna only single out four, I say a choices a pre-known, not determined, as we make the choices ourselves.
(also forgive the crappy spelling)
[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]1. God explains everything in the Bible.
2. Our souls are eternal, our bodies are not. No, they didn't know the difference between good and evil, they knew what was right and wrong though.
3. They had free will and they knew what was right.
4. No, he didn't select it, he left us to choose, he knew what would happen, he didn't make it happen.
We know God's nature from the Bible, kind and all loving.
diz360
1. Where is there an explanation for the fossils in the bible?
2. By your own definition we are God then - we are eternal (our souls are) and we do know good from evil. have you shot yourself in the divine foot there?
3. It's a story - one of several different stories in Genesis about the creation. It has been thoroughly superceded by scientific discovery and now is thought of as only a "metaphore", even by the vast majority of Christians.
4. If God knew the outcome, there was no free will. This is just one more religious paradox stemming from unrealistic biblical texts being taken as truth.
Why not believe the Qu'ran's version of creation? Why not believe in cosmological evolution? There's certainly plenty more evidence for it.
1. Why should there be? Anyway that's a completely different subject.
2. Nope, by eating from the Tree of Life our human bodies would have been made eternal.
3. That is besides the point. We are not looking at the evidence for it being real. Just the morality to behind the situation.
4. Why do you think that just because God knew the outcome, that meant we didn't have free will to choose? I may know your going to go out and buy a bottle of milk later on, does that mean you don't have the free will to do it? No.
I've already told you, Jesus Christ.
1. Because you said God explains everything in the bible. Patently, god does not...
2. You also said our souls are eternal, making us divine...
3. Morality was inherited by religion. It is clear to see that from studying psychology, pack behaviour and early pre-monothesitic civilisation.
4. If the outcome is pre-determined, there was never a choice.
And I told you - Islamics ALSO believe in Jesus, so why don't you believe in Islam too?
1. He does.
2. Nope, get a dictionary and look up what divine actually means. . . .
3. That's completely and utterly irrelevant.
4. Wrong. The outcome wasn't pre-determined. God didn't make that happen.
They do not believe Jesus was the Son of God. They believe that the Bible has been corrupted, which is why the Qur'an comes into play. I do not.
[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]@Shad0 First off I though you were a Christian. But anyway A simple no by God was good enough. Not really but does there need to be one? God told them not to; that's enough of a reason right there.Lansdowne5
Is it wrong for me to question God?
God told them not to eat the fruit but failed to mention a serpent just might try to trick them into eating the fruit. That would have been a wise thing for God to do. A simple "No" does not suffice if God knew that they would fall into a trap. An infinitely intelligent, infinitely wise being would have warned them of the snake.
But still, I want to know why they weren't supposed to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Knowing what is good and evil is a gift, yet Adam and Eve were forbidden to recieve that knowledge.
If they didn't know what good or evil was, how did they even know that the serpent was leading them to do bad things? That is another reason why they should have been warned of the serpent.
Just as Christians warn non-believers about hell, God should have warned Adam and Eve about the serpent. After He "found out" that they disobeyed Him, He then punishes Adam and Eve (and the serpent) for not listening to Him as if He didn't already know that would happen.
1. God doesn't meddle in our affairs like that. But regardless, what is to say that even if God had warned us, we would not still have disobeyed him?
2. There are two things which distinguish God as a god. A) he knows the difference between good and evil and B) he has everlasting life. If they had obtained both those qualities they would be on a par with God.
3. They knew what obedience was and God explicitly warned them not to eat from the two trees. Regardless of whether they could tell what was good and evil, they still had free will to choose, and even if they didn't know they were being evil, they knew they were doing something wrong.
4. Again, you don't know God's reasoning. What is to say that if he had warned them, they would not just go and do the same thing another time? He always knew what they would do, but he had to give them the choice to do it, or else he would not be giving them free will.
1. Because... hey, hang on, why didn't God destroy the serpent?
2. You're forgetting omnipotence and omniscience. Deliberately, methinks.
3. They knew nothing of morality, so they must have been perfectly innocent when they followed the serpent's instructions - ie, they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.
4. Or, he could design them so it was in their nature to be good.
1. If God were to destroy the serpent, are frame of mind hasn't changed. We would be just as likely to do it again.
2. Nope, those aren't the qualilties that distinguish God, how much intelligence and power you have doesn't make you into a god.
3. Yes they did, they knew why they must obey God. They choose not to. They knew that obedience was the right thing to do and that disobedience was the wrong thing to do. They weren't like animals, they had free will and knew the consequences of their actions. They choose disobedience even though they knew it was wrong.
4. If you couldn't choose to do evil, you wouldn't have free will.
1. No we wouldn't, we'd be less likely without the serpent to tempt us.
2. Yes they are... :|
3. And therefore eating of the tree of life was irrelevant, since they already had knowledge of good and evil.
4. So God doesn't have free will?
[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]
I can see where this is heading. God is all powerful right? All knowing? But he's still on his own, if he were to create someone equal in power to him, they would be able to turn on him and cause havock. So he creates the Human race, in his image, capable of worshipping him and loving him, he takes pleasure in this, he loved the Creation he had made. His children.
God did not let the evil in, we did. He hates the evil, the death, the destruction, he is a Holy, peaceful being. Next we are going to get on to, "Why then, did God create Evil in the first place?" I'll answer that once we have finished with the matter in hand.
Funky_Llama
it's got nothing to do with evil. I'm talking about earthquakes, floods, tidal waves, tornadoes, droughts, meteor impacts and other NATURAL disasters. For God's pleasure, right?
Nope, they were all introduced when evil was brought into the world.
What about their random nature and the millions of innocent children killed throughout history by natural disasters?
What a vengeful God! Why believe in such a vengeful God?
God is looking at everything from an arbitrary point of view, whereas we see the singular events. He is making decisions that affect all of time.
Read the Bible and find out.
In other words, you have no explanation.
I see no point illustrating to him something which can be obtained simply by opening Genesis. He says he has read the Bible a great deal, he should already know.
[QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]God is looking at everything from an arbitrary point of view, whereas we see the singular events. He is making decisions that affect all of time.
Read the Bible and find out.
Lansdowne5
Please point me to the section in the bible that says God looks at everything from an arbitrary point of view. If that is true, why bother believing in God?
I am 42 and have read the bible a huge amount. I ask these questions while kniowing that there are no answers for them in the bible.
Once again, you presume to know how God thinks in excusing the senseless, random and amoral nature of existence.
Perhaps you should read something aside from the bible.
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." - Revelation 1:8
If you really think that then you need to carefully read it again dude. This time without a biased opinion.
I do know God. I don't know how God is, nor why God is, nor where God came from. But I can assure you, I do know God.
What would you suggest? I know! The Origin of Species.
Revelation 1:8 can not be interpreted to mean that God looks at things in an arbitrary way. How can you add that meaning to the verse? The more common interpretation relates to God's omniscience. Please try again...
I have no bias, unlike you. I am equally skeptical of all religions and models for existence. Skepticism has bought us huge scientific progress. don't be afraid of asking questions!
Why not read Darwin? at least he can back what he says up with incontrovertible evidence. Then again, much more has been discovered about our true origins since his day. Would reading such material threaten you?
I see no point illustrating to him something which can be obtained simply by opening Genesis. He says he has read the Bible a great deal, he should already know.
Lansdowne5
Well, I haven't... could you perhaps explain to me? After all, I wouldn't like to think that you were trying to wriggle out of it.
[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]@Shad0 First off I though you were a Christian. But anyway A simple no by God was good enough. Not really but does there need to be one? God told them not to; that's enough of a reason right there.Funky_Llama
Is it wrong for me to question God?
God told them not to eat the fruit but failed to mention a serpent just might try to trick them into eating the fruit. That would have been a wise thing for God to do. A simple "No" does not suffice if God knew that they would fall into a trap. An infinitely intelligent, infinitely wise being would have warned them of the snake.
But still, I want to know why they weren't supposed to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Knowing what is good and evil is a gift, yet Adam and Eve were forbidden to recieve that knowledge.
If they didn't know what good or evil was, how did they even know that the serpent was leading them to do bad things? That is another reason why they should have been warned of the serpent.
Just as Christians warn non-believers about hell, God should have warned Adam and Eve about the serpent. After He "found out" that they disobeyed Him, He then punishes Adam and Eve (and the serpent) for not listening to Him as if He didn't already know that would happen.
1. God doesn't meddle in our affairs like that. But regardless, what is to say that even if God had warned us, we would not still have disobeyed him?
2. There are two things which distinguish God as a god. A) he knows the difference between good and evil and B) he has everlasting life. If they had obtained both those qualities they would be on a par with God.
3. They knew what obedience was and God explicitly warned them not to eat from the two trees. Regardless of whether they could tell what was good and evil, they still had free will to choose, and even if they didn't know they were being evil, they knew they were doing something wrong.
4. Again, you don't know God's reasoning. What is to say that if he had warned them, they would not just go and do the same thing another time? He always knew what they would do, but he had to give them the choice to do it, or else he would not be giving them free will.
1. Because... hey, hang on, why didn't God destroy the serpent?
2. You're forgetting omnipotence and omniscience. Deliberately, methinks.
3. They knew nothing of morality, so they must have been perfectly innocent when they followed the serpent's instructions - ie, they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.
4. Or, he could design them so it was in their nature to be good.
1. If God were to destroy the serpent, are frame of mind hasn't changed. We would be just as likely to do it again.
2. Nope, those aren't the qualilties that distinguish God, how much intelligence and power you have doesn't make you into a god.
3. Yes they did, they knew why they must obey God. They choose not to. They knew that obedience was the right thing to do and that disobedience was the wrong thing to do. They weren't like animals, they had free will and knew the consequences of their actions. They choose disobedience even though they knew it was wrong.
4. If you couldn't choose to do evil, you wouldn't have free will.
1. No we wouldn't, we'd be less likely without the serpent to tempt us.
2. Yes they are... :|
3. And therefore eating of the tree of life was irrelevant, since they already had knowledge of good and evil.
4. So God doesn't have free will?
1. The same situation could arise again, we would be no more likely to say no then, then we were before.
2. How much knowledge and power you have doesn't elevate you to 'god' status.
3. What? They knew what good and evil were, they didn't have eternal life, so to obtain it they would have to have eaten from the tree of Life, making it not irrelevant at all. Which is the whole reason they were thrown out of the garden.
4. What makes you think God can't choose to do Evil?
[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]I see no point illustrating to him something which can be obtained simply by opening Genesis. He says he has read the Bible a great deal, he should already know.
Funky_Llama
Well, I haven't... could you perhaps explain to me? After all, I wouldn't like to think that you were trying to wriggle out of it.
:lol: haha. I love your sarcasm Funky.
Anyway, think that if you want to, I'm just trying to get you to find the answer for yourself.
[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]I see no point illustrating to him something which can be obtained simply by opening Genesis. He says he has read the Bible a great deal, he should already know.
Lansdowne5
Well, I haven't... could you perhaps explain to me? After all, I wouldn't like to think that you were trying to wriggle out of it.
:lol: haha. I love your sarcasm Funky.
Anyway, think that if you want to, I'm just trying to get you to find the answer for yourself.
:P
Given that I don't intend to... wouldn't it make sense for you to tell me?
[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]God is looking at everything from an arbitrary point of view, whereas we see the singular events. He is making decisions that affect all of time.
Read the Bible and find out.
diz360
Please point me to the section in the bible that says God looks at everything from an arbitrary point of view. If that is true, why bother believing in God?
I am 42 and have read the bible a huge amount. I ask these questions while kniowing that there are no answers for them in the bible.
Once again, you presume to know how God thinks in excusing the senseless, random and amoral nature of existence.
Perhaps you should read something aside from the bible.
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." - Revelation 1:8
If you really think that then you need to carefully read it again dude. This time without a biased opinion.
I do know God. I don't know how God is, nor why God is, nor where God came from. But I can assure you, I do know God.
What would you suggest? I know! The Origin of Species.
Revelation 1:8 can not be interpreted to mean that God looks at things in an arbitrary way. How can you add that meaning to the verse? The more common interpretation relates to God's omniscience. Please try again...
I have no bias, unlike you. I am equally skeptical of all religions and models for existence. Skepticism has bought us huge scientific progress. don't be afraid of asking questions!
Why not read Darwin? at least he can back what he says up with incontrovertible evidence. Then again, much more has been discovered about our true origins since his day. Would reading such material threaten you?
God being all powerful, means that God looks at a situation in every way, whereas we as Human's only have the ability to look at singular things.
Skepticism + The Bible = Non-believer. Non-believer + The Bible = Bias.
Incontrovertible? Lol, you remind me of Dumbledore. Anyway, it is by no means incontrovertible, no Scientist would ever say it is proven behind all possible doubt.
Nope it wouldn't threaten me, I just don't want to fill me head with a load of rubbish, when Genesis explains it quite clearly.
[QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="diz360"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]1. God explains everything in the Bible.
2. Our souls are eternal, our bodies are not. No, they didn't know the difference between good and evil, they knew what was right and wrong though.
3. They had free will and they knew what was right.
4. No, he didn't select it, he left us to choose, he knew what would happen, he didn't make it happen.
We know God's nature from the Bible, kind and all loving.
Lansdowne5
1. Where is there an explanation for the fossils in the bible?
2. By your own definition we are God then - we are eternal (our souls are) and we do know good from evil. have you shot yourself in the divine foot there?
3. It's a story - one of several different stories in Genesis about the creation. It has been thoroughly superceded by scientific discovery and now is thought of as only a "metaphore", even by the vast majority of Christians.
4. If God knew the outcome, there was no free will. This is just one more religious paradox stemming from unrealistic biblical texts being taken as truth.
Why not believe the Qu'ran's version of creation? Why not believe in cosmological evolution? There's certainly plenty more evidence for it.
1. Why should there be? Anyway that's a completely different subject.
2. Nope, by eating from the Tree of Life our human bodies would have been made eternal.
3. That is besides the point. We are not looking at the evidence for it being real. Just the morality to behind the situation.
4. Why do you think that just because God knew the outcome, that meant we didn't have free will to choose? I may know your going to go out and buy a bottle of milk later on, does that mean you don't have the free will to do it? No.
I've already told you, Jesus Christ.
1. Because you said God explains everything in the bible. Patently, god does not...
2. You also said our souls are eternal, making us divine...
3. Morality was inherited by religion. It is clear to see that from studying psychology, pack behaviour and early pre-monothesitic civilisation.
4. If the outcome is pre-determined, there was never a choice.
And I told you - Islamics ALSO believe in Jesus, so why don't you believe in Islam too?
1. He does.
2. Nope, get a dictionary and look up what divine actually means. . . .
3. That's completely and utterly irrelevant.
4. Wrong. The outcome wasn't pre-determined. God didn't make that happen.
They do not believe Jesus was the Son of God. They believe that the Bible has been corrupted, which is why the Qur'an comes into play. I do not.
1. So where is the explanation o f the fossils?
2. You said that God is eternal and knows good from evil. By your own definitions, so are we! I think its you who need to brush up on your definitions. You don't even need a paper dictionary, since we're online.
3. Irrelevent? Did the Genesis events acually happen? Are you saying morality is not a feature of collaborative society?
4. If God knew what would happen, how could anything else happen instead? Pre-determined. Can't you at least admit that this is a paradox?
[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]I see no point illustrating to him something which can be obtained simply by opening Genesis. He says he has read the Bible a great deal, he should already know.
Funky_Llama
Well, I haven't... could you perhaps explain to me? After all, I wouldn't like to think that you were trying to wriggle out of it.
:lol: haha. I love your sarcasm Funky.
Anyway, think that if you want to, I'm just trying to get you to find the answer for yourself.
:P
Given that I don't intend to... wouldn't it make sense for you to tell me?
Nope, if you want to find the Christian answer, which is what I would be giving you, look in the Bible.
1. The same situation could arise again, we would be no more likely to say no then, then we were before.
2. How much knowledge and power you have doesn't elevate you to 'god' status.
3. What? They knew what good and evil were, they didn't have eternal life, so to obtain it they would have to have eaten from the tree of Life, making it not irrelevant at all. Which is the whole reason they were thrown out of the garden.
4. What makes you think God can't choose to do Evil?
Lansdowne5
1. Yes, it could, but wouldn't God take the opportunity to destroy the serpent before Original Sin could happen? God is omniscient, so he would know that unless he destroyed the serpent, Original Sin was inevitable.
2. "S: (n) God, Supreme Being (the supernatural being conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator and ruler of the universe; the object of worship in monotheistic religions)"
3. I thought that they were innocent before... hmm... regardless... have you considered the morality of original sin afflicting the rest of humanity? It's hardly fair that billions should suffer for their ancestors.
4. Thank you, fell right into it: therefore, free will is compatible with perfect good.
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