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[QUOTE="MystikFollower"]Light forms atoms
Barbariser
You know, between this and your little "time is energy" blurb, I have this to say to you... you might want to brush up on your basic science a good bit. :|
I should've phrased it better sorry. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efMZQaiII-4This video will give you a better understanding of the theory I was talking about when it comes to Light. I may be mistaken, but I've been doing a lot of looking into the principles of Quantum mechanics and much of it is simply mindboggling.
[QUOTE="MystikFollower"]Light forms atoms
Barbariser
You know, between this and your little "time is energy" blurb, I have this to say to you... you might want to brush up on your basic science a good bit. :|
Oh and I don't believe Time actually exists outside our perception of the motion of matter.
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[QUOTE="MystikFollower"]Light forms atoms
MystikFollower
You know, between this and your little "time is energy" blurb, I have this to say to you... you might want to brush up on your basic science a good bit. :|
Oh and I don't believe Time actually exists outside our perception of the motion of matter.
Time doesn't believe you exist either.[QUOTE="MystikFollower"][QUOTE="Barbariser"]
You know, between this and your little "time is energy" blurb, I have this to say to you... you might want to brush up on your basic science a good bit. :|
Assassin1349
Oh and I don't believe Time actually exists outside our perception of the motion of matter.
Time doesn't believe you exist either.Well how nice for Time. Luckily space knows I exist... :P
I believe that just as a chimpanzee cannot understand quantum theory, a human may not be able to comprehend the true complexity of reality, which, if known, would reveal the existence of God, or the lack thereof.
There is more to the world than what we normally take in through our five senses. Even though I put great stock into the scientific method, science is only an epistemological framework that analyzes sensory data, when, in fact, I feel intuitively that there is something more to the world than simply sight, touch, smell, sound, and taste. It has to do with the rich phenomenological quality of our consciousness. I feel that there is some profound presence... maybe even an entity, if you will, that is the reason behind the very essence of our experiences, without which we couldn't live. If you want to call that 'God,' then fine.
I apologize if this comes off as vague or esoteric.
Does God exist? Possibly. Is he a sentient being? Absolutely not. Impossible. What kind of smug bastard would demand worship from all of his creations? I don't believe faith to be completely pointless, but organized religion sure is a waste of time and energy. I like to think of myself as an atheist, although I do believe that something could be out there, some kind of spirit perhaps, but it's certainly not something I have to suck up to get to some eternal sanctuary. I think naturalistic pantheism is the most logical, as it praises nature as a whole condensing it into one single power. The difference between naturalistic pantheism and normal pantheism I think is that naturalistic pantheists don't believe in a sentient being as "God", which I can definitely roll with.
We are our own "Gods" and house our own universes within our bodies. This is why our "God" has no direct control over use as we are apart of another being, could be anything from an animal to human... I/we can't say. within our universes there are other beings which house there own universes and so on. This would apply to the being that houses our universe as it is part of an even larger being.
This explains why space is infinite, space gets smaller within us and bigger as we look out towards the stars. I can't expalin why or how space came about... honestly I wouldn't want to know.
My theory is that I have no idea and never will, so there's no point in worrying about it.
TyrantDragon55
this
though i'd like to belive that god exists in all of us, and not some higher plane or heaven. ugh, eternity is just too damn long
Why does it have to always be something bad.God is there for people to blame for all the bad things that happen.
LostSoul781
Trying to theorize about God is dumber than arguing about whether or not he exists. It's an absolutely unimaginable concept, because God, if he existed, would have never made humans to find out that he exists. God is beyond our comprehension. But, I'm bored, and I'm waiting for the sidewalk to be plowed, so let's discuss my theories.
Let's start with what I just said: God is beyond comprehension. A lot of science fiction uses religious entities as story-points. I have always thought that, if God existed, he would probably be so beyond our comprehension that our feeble little minds could never actually process his existence, and we would immediately die, or go blind, or something. Probably why God has never shown himself. Maybe it's a sort of sad compromise. "I want to make humans, but if I ever reveal myself to them (no jokes), they would die." A bad theory, because why the bloody hell wouldn't God be able to just get around it? He's God, for Christ's sake (no pun intended).
Another one is that we are all manifestations of God, and to not believe in him is to not believe in ourselves. Maybe atheism is really the product of a self-esteem complex. I wrote a story once, where before the Earth and the vast universe, there was another place. A different place. A place under direct rule of God, and a reverse God of equal-but-mirrored power, to control the individual goods and evils of that place. But eventually, the anti-God became too powerful, and outmatched his counterpart -- destroying that place. God, obviously still existing, created a new place, in which he would imprison the anti-God, only to be let out by himself. He then split his power into every single human (and alien), so that he was a part of everyone in this new world. But, this was all before anti-God went and turned himself into billions of birds, escaped the prison, and formed his original body again, killing anyone who saw him (see above), and began the apocalypse. But that's for a later post.
Me? I'm an ignorist. What's that? That's my religion. I don't believe in God, but fear him all the same, because I don't know if he exists or not. I wouldn't want to piss him off if he did, but I don't change my lifestyle for some possibly non-existent force which I'll never be able to identify. My religion is based not around believing, but in not knowing. And never being able to know, which is why the entire argument is pointless, and always will be.
I have a similar theory.My theory is that I have no idea and never will, so there's no point in worrying about it.
TyrantDragon55
God does exist but not the way religions say. Religion is just mankind's attempting to explain God. But God created us (through evolution). And God doesn't have to be all powerful.
Thank you for this, I am very interested with this topic.Physics are starting to gleam some amazing details about the basic structure of the Universe and what they are beginning to learn is mind boggling. In essence, matter does not exist except in our perception. Everything we see, feel, hear, touch, and taste are simply electric charges that are filtered through our nervous systems and brain too give us a recreated image of the light particles coming into our eyes. This means, that while we have an "image" of what reality is, and it seems very real to our sense; in actuality, we have no idea what reality really looks like.
My theory is that God is an eternal consciouseness that permeates all of spacetime and gives rise to everything we see. Materialists base most their thoughts on the idea that most matter in our universe is inert and dead, but some scientists are starting to believe differently. What they are finding is that the smaller and smaller you go in measurements and studying the basic particles of everything, the lessin tune they become with what we know as "reality".
For instance, when you turn back the cosmic clock all the way to the Big Bang, you see a time when every single particle and energy force (gravity, electromagnetic, nuclear strong, and weak forces) was at one time unified to about the size of green pea. What scientists have recently figured out is that even though the Big Bang and cosmic expansion seems to be moving everything apart in the Universe, all matter is still connected through an unseen energy. Just because particles have moved apart, there is still a force between them. This is true for everything in the Universe, including us. My idea is that God created this world as an illusion so that he could know himself in his experience. When you break everything down, you realise that all matter is ultimately light in solidified form. Light forms atoms, which forms molecules, which ultimately form objects. Kinda gives a different meaning to the bible verse, "Let there be Light." God created light before everything else andnothing could exist without light.
Now as I was saying, God created what we percieve as the Universe as a contextual field in which Life could be expressed in all different types of vibrations (planets, stars, dust, gas, humans, black holes, ect.). In actuality reality as we percieve it is just that, a perception, and not necessarily indicating what reality really is. Some scientists, and I agree with them, are now suggesting that the Universe itself is a mass consciousness creating at many many different levels, but all with one source which is a source of unlimited knowing and unlimited potential. Now consciousness, whenever it arises in the Universe, is given individuality through it's separate nervous system, but actual self awareness that each of us possesses is the same consciousness, just expressed at different levels.
I know, kinda complex ideas here, but this video will help you understand a little better, as well as the Conversations with God series, cause they propose the same ideas I'm stating here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrcWntw9juM&feature=related
MystikFollower
[QUOTE="MystikFollower"]Thank you for this, I am very interested with this topic.Physics are starting to gleam some amazing details about the basic structure of the Universe and what they are beginning to learn is mind boggling. In essence, matter does not exist except in our perception. Everything we see, feel, hear, touch, and taste are simply electric charges that are filtered through our nervous systems and brain too give us a recreated image of the light particles coming into our eyes. This means, that while we have an "image" of what reality is, and it seems very real to our sense; in actuality, we have no idea what reality really looks like.
My theory is that God is an eternal consciouseness that permeates all of spacetime and gives rise to everything we see. Materialists base most their thoughts on the idea that most matter in our universe is inert and dead, but some scientists are starting to believe differently. What they are finding is that the smaller and smaller you go in measurements and studying the basic particles of everything, the lessin tune they become with what we know as "reality".
For instance, when you turn back the cosmic clock all the way to the Big Bang, you see a time when every single particle and energy force (gravity, electromagnetic, nuclear strong, and weak forces) was at one time unified to about the size of green pea. What scientists have recently figured out is that even though the Big Bang and cosmic expansion seems to be moving everything apart in the Universe, all matter is still connected through an unseen energy. Just because particles have moved apart, there is still a force between them. This is true for everything in the Universe, including us. My idea is that God created this world as an illusion so that he could know himself in his experience. When you break everything down, you realise that all matter is ultimately light in solidified form. Light forms atoms, which forms molecules, which ultimately form objects. Kinda gives a different meaning to the bible verse, "Let there be Light." God created light before everything else andnothing could exist without light.
Now as I was saying, God created what we percieve as the Universe as a contextual field in which Life could be expressed in all different types of vibrations (planets, stars, dust, gas, humans, black holes, ect.). In actuality reality as we percieve it is just that, a perception, and not necessarily indicating what reality really is. Some scientists, and I agree with them, are now suggesting that the Universe itself is a mass consciousness creating at many many different levels, but all with one source which is a source of unlimited knowing and unlimited potential. Now consciousness, whenever it arises in the Universe, is given individuality through it's separate nervous system, but actual self awareness that each of us possesses is the same consciousness, just expressed at different levels.
I know, kinda complex ideas here, but this video will help you understand a little better, as well as the Conversations with God series, cause they propose the same ideas I'm stating here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrcWntw9juM&feature=related
Bloodseeker23
You very welcome. I was on the fence with a lot of these ideas when I first read them in Conversations with God, but now that I see science is actually coming to the SAME exact ideas, it's changed my entire perception on God.
Thinking about God is going to make your head hurt we mortals don't have the mental capacity to understand it. It would be like a germ trying to understand physics it's not possible.
I believe in god and I choose to have Jesus as my savior. However, I do not believe a lot of the bible, and do not follow it. There is a lot morally wrong with it.
From a scientific point of view, not 1 atheist or non believer has provided a shred of evidence that God does not exist. Atheists claim to not want to believe in super magical things, yet if you are an atheist you must believe that the very first appearance of life was essentially superman in a single cell form. It was indestructable and unkillable, immune to everything from the get go. It was immune to immense radiation, extreme heat or cold, acid rain and a was likely born in a soup of solvent or acid or some type. So ya, you don't believe in a supernatural god, but you believe in a super powered single celled organism that was totally immune to everything from the very start.
you also believe that evolution is random and not preset by a god like being, that suddenly and at the same time all over the world, a species evolved into something else or a new trait. Sorry, but if you seperate bacteria one from another in seperate dishes or places, only one of them is going to mutate, and the odds of it finding a way to survive and spread to everything is so remote, it really cant happen. Cave man after cave man slept with his mom and sister and had mutated offspring, one of them evolved slightly and he cannot procreate to a large enough degree to repopulate the entire earth. You all seem to believe this. Why? I am not sure. Because your text books say this is what happened, maybe.
My "God theory" is that God does not exist. I can't prove it, and there is always a chance of being proven wrong, but as I stand right now, I see no reason to believe otherwise.
Very few people know God properly, even the people who claim to know him, much of them will be really surprised and will regret alot.GazaAliCan anyone claim that they know God, while at the same time their claim to stand out among the rest of the people who claim to know God but in reality dont?
Your saying that the concept of god is result of fear? What dose that make the atheist? Courageous?alexside1
Nah, I fear death :P
Atheists don't sugar coat it with promises of rewards (provided you are obedient to the church of course).
Dying sucks so best make the best of the time you have.
Physics are starting to gleam some amazing details about the basic structure of the Universe and what they are beginning to learn is mind boggling. In essence, matter does not exist except in our perception. Everything we see, feel, hear, touch, and taste are simply electric charges that are filtered through our nervous systems and brain too give us a recreated image of the light particles coming into our eyes. This means, that while we have an "image" of what reality is, and it seems very real to our sense; in actuality, we have no idea what reality really looks like.
My theory is that God is an eternal consciouseness that permeates all of spacetime and gives rise to everything we see. Materialists base most their thoughts on the idea that most matter in our universe is inert and dead, but some scientists are starting to believe differently. What they are finding is that the smaller and smaller you go in measurements and studying the basic particles of everything, the lessin tune they become with what we know as "reality".
For instance, when you turn back the cosmic clock all the way to the Big Bang, you see a time when every single particle and energy force (gravity, electromagnetic, nuclear strong, and weak forces) was at one time unified to about the size of green pea. What scientists have recently figured out is that even though the Big Bang and cosmic expansion seems to be moving everything apart in the Universe, all matter is still connected through an unseen energy. Just because particles have moved apart, there is still a force between them. This is true for everything in the Universe, including us. My idea is that God created this world as an illusion so that he could know himself in his experience. When you break everything down, you realise that all matter is ultimately light in solidified form. Light forms atoms, which forms molecules, which ultimately form objects. Kinda gives a different meaning to the bible verse, "Let there be Light." God created light before everything else andnothing could exist without light.
Now as I was saying, God created what we percieve as the Universe as a contextual field in which Life could be expressed in all different types of vibrations (planets, stars, dust, gas, humans, black holes, ect.). In actuality reality as we percieve it is just that, a perception, and not necessarily indicating what reality really is. Some scientists, and I agree with them, are now suggesting that the Universe itself is a mass consciousness creating at many many different levels, but all with one source which is a source of unlimited knowing and unlimited potential. Now consciousness, whenever it arises in the Universe, is given individuality through it's separate nervous system, but actual self awareness that each of us possesses is the same consciousness, just expressed at different levels.
I know, kinda complex ideas here, but this video will help you understand a little better, as well as the Conversations with God series, cause they propose the same ideas I'm stating here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrcWntw9juM&feature=related
MystikFollower
I like it. I agree with the bit that reality is different for everyone base on perception, and a macro approach is probably what is needed to have a better understand of what nature (or God) is.
Ilike to equateGod with nature, since everything is God's creation, his true self is reflected on his every creations
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