Is it the same as when he was elected?, if not what do you think of Obama now, is he doing a good job?
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Is it the same as when he was elected?, if not what do you think of Obama now, is he doing a good job?
I am not happy in general with the Democrats or the Republicans, seeing as there are little differences in there fiscal ideologies.
One thing I can't stand about Obama is the polarizing finger pointing. I hold the president to higher standards than media pundits. Plus its justanti-intelligent and sophomoric.
Fine, no problems, republicans are really being hard on him, I kinda feel sorry there alot more ruthless then I thought
Who can fix the mortgage?
General Motors, too
A bailout check for me
And a bailout check for you
Obama Man. Yes, Obama Man can Obama Man can 'cause he mixes it with hope
And makes the world taste good
He has been keeping extremely busy, and is effective with rallying for alot of causes.. Furthermore he has improved the image of the United States with actually using diplomacy.. But I disagree with his campaign in Afghanistan, and he is pretty much keeping the Bush foriegn policy when it comes tot he war on terror.. Thats a problem.. Though its not neccesaryly his fault, its a no win situation.. If he pulled out of Afghanistan he would be called a coward and would have even more people attacking him.. For political pressure the campaign in Afghanistan is far easier to committ to.. sSubZerOoHave you seen any of the Tea Party or recent Republican conventions? The funny thing is that they are still calling him soft on terror, though he has done the same (if not more) than Bush did in Afghanistan and even Pakistan.
Another republican that will blame obama for GM but wat about Bush and the banks? Which was more money then the auto bailoutWho can fix the mortgage?
General Motors, too
A bailout check for me
And a bailout check for you
Obama Man. Yes, Obama Man can Obama Man can 'cause he mixes it with hope
And makes the world taste good
xXDrPainXx
I am not happy in general with the Democrats or the Republicans, seeing as there are little differences in there fiscal ideologies.
One thing I can't stand about Obama is the polarizing finger pointing. I hold the president to higher standards than media pundits. Plus its justanti-intelligent and sophomoric.
DaBrainz
The way I see it is spending needs to be made, and the majority of the budget is for domestic systems.. We can't afford to be fiscally conservative now, due to the fact its what is causing like our infastructure failing.. OUr roads are crumbling, our massive water dams are wearing down to dangerous levels, sewer systems that were suppose to be replaced at least 2 to 3 decades ago are failing horribly, and finally our electric system is hugely inadaquate.. The black out in 2003 in which the north East got a huge black out was due to inadaquate energy system.. Ourhealth care is a huge problem, there are some 35k people that die a year because of no healthcare http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/09/18/deaths.health.insurance/index.html.. If this were due to terrorists and not something like this, every one would be freaking out.. Our public schooling system in inner city schools are in desperate need for aid for instance.. And finally the fact of the matter that the government is unable to curve corporations is shcoking, even now after bailouts and the like.. Many of them are back into the high risk damaging dealing they did last time for record profits regardless if they turn toxic.
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]He has been keeping extremely busy, and is effective with rallying for alot of causes.. Furthermore he has improved the image of the United States with actually using diplomacy.. But I disagree with his campaign in Afghanistan, and he is pretty much keeping the Bush foriegn policy when it comes tot he war on terror.. Thats a problem.. Though its not neccesaryly his fault, its a no win situation.. If he pulled out of Afghanistan he would be called a coward and would have even more people attacking him.. For political pressure the campaign in Afghanistan is far easier to committ to.. Engrish_MajorHave you seen any of the Tea Party or recent Republican conventions? The funny thing is that they are still calling him soft on terror, though he has done the same (if not more) than Bush did in Afghanistan and even Pakistan.
I actually read that under his adminstration he has had more success with catching supposed suspects then Bush has had.. And the terrorist suspects tried in civilian courts was actually started through the Bush adminstration, not Obama's..
I actually read that under his adminstration he has had more success with catching supposed suspects then Bush has had.. And the terrorist suspects tried in civilian courts was actually started through the Bush adminstration, not Obama's..
That is correct. Which gives me little respect for the recent conservative movement. If they're going to argue points as part of their entire platform, they should be accurate.It seems his popularity is sinking like a rock among the voters.
"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 23% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-two percent (42%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -19 (see trends)."
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]That is correct. Which gives me little respect for the recent conservative movement. If they're going to argue points as part of their entire platform, they should be accurate.I actually read that under his adminstration he has had more success with catching supposed suspects then Bush has had.. And the terrorist suspects tried in civilian courts was actually started through the Bush adminstration, not Obama's..
Engrish_Major
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiH7n1yCzi0 This always makes me giggle.. The FOUNDER of the Tea Party can't even get the most basic facts correct that their entire party is around.. Anti intellectualism seems to be their main characteristic.
The American people are not too happy with the direction of things.
"75% Are Angry At Government's Current Policies
Voters are madder than ever at the current policies of the federal government.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 75% of likely voters now say they are at least somewhat angry at the government's current policies, up four points from late November and up nine points since September. The overall figures include 45% who are Very Angry, also a nine-point increase since September."
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/february_2010/75_are_angry_at_government_s_current_policies
[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]
I am not happy in general with the Democrats or the Republicans, seeing as there are little differences in there fiscal ideologies.
One thing I can't stand about Obama is the polarizing finger pointing. I hold the president to higher standards than media pundits. Plus its justanti-intelligent and sophomoric.
sSubZerOo
The way I see it is spending needs to be made, and the majority of the budget is for domestic systems.. We can't afford to be fiscally conservative now, due to the fact its what is causing like our infastructure failing.. OUr roads are crumbling, our massive water dams are wearing down to dangerous levels, sewer systems that were suppose to be replaced at least 2 to 3 decades ago are failing horribly, and finally our electric system is hugely inadaquate.. The black out in 2003 in which the north East got a huge black out was due to inadaquate energy system.. Ourhealth care is a huge problem, there are some 35k people that die a year because of no healthcare http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/09/18/deaths.health.insurance/index.html.. If this were due to terrorists and not something like this, every one would be freaking out.. Our public schooling system in inner city schools are in desperate need for aid for instance.. And finally the fact of the matter that the government is unable to curve corporations is shcoking, even now after bailouts and the like.. Many of them are back into the high risk damaging dealing they did last time for record profits regardless if they turn toxic.
I'm not going to debate economic philosophies on a video game forum so don't look for a heated response from me. I'll just note that the growth in size of the government over time is substantial relative to the economy as a whole. And all the problems you mentioned have become worse or have not improved dispite the size of the government increasing.
I was annoyed by the incessant praise he received in 2008. Then I got annoyed by the incessant criticism he received in 2009.
one_plum
^^ This.
I don't have to read through comments to know that most all are media-related thoughts on him. Whether it's an opinion that you received from slanted media or whether it's negative toward the media for being so slanted.
All I know is he's trying and the country isn't going into shambles like some would have you believe. I do think he needs to stop with the bi-partisanship because the Republicans are wasting his time on it. They whine how he doesn't listen to him then when he offers a hand they don't reach for it... why you ask? So they can whine some more how he's not listening to 'the american people' which apparently only consists of the Republican party. Their ultimate goal is to keep trying to distract him so they can point at him later on and say how he hasn't got anything done when in reality he wouldn't get anything done because of trying to please everyone at the same time.
A perfect storm is a brewing, expected to make landfall in November 2010.
"Generic Congressional Ballot Republicans Lead Democrats by Nine in Generic Ballot
Republican candidates lead Democrats by nine points in the latest edition of the Generic Congressional Ballot.
The new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 45% would vote for their district's Republican congressional candidate while 36% would opt for his or her Democratic opponent. Voter support for GOP congressional candidates is up one point from last week, while support for Democrats held steady.
Republicans started the year ahead by nine points -- their largest lead in several years -- while support for Democrats fell to its lowest level over the same period. Towards the end of 2009, GOP candidates enjoyed a more modest lead over Democrats, with the gap between the two down to four points in early December. Since the beginning of the year, however, the Republican lead hasn't dipped below seven points."
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot
My view on Obama never changed, I did not like him before the election and I do not like him now. I find that in his first year he has not done much. JustBeingFrank
.. This just isn't true he has done tons.. All with a minority party who is basically abusing the filibuster to stall anything and everything that comes through congress.. Even McCain has stated he has been an effective politician.
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]
I am not happy in general with the Democrats or the Republicans, seeing as there are little differences in there fiscal ideologies.
One thing I can't stand about Obama is the polarizing finger pointing. I hold the president to higher standards than media pundits. Plus its justanti-intelligent and sophomoric.
DaBrainz
The way I see it is spending needs to be made, and the majority of the budget is for domestic systems.. We can't afford to be fiscally conservative now, due to the fact its what is causing like our infastructure failing.. OUr roads are crumbling, our massive water dams are wearing down to dangerous levels, sewer systems that were suppose to be replaced at least 2 to 3 decades ago are failing horribly, and finally our electric system is hugely inadaquate.. The black out in 2003 in which the north East got a huge black out was due to inadaquate energy system.. Ourhealth care is a huge problem, there are some 35k people that die a year because of no healthcare http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/09/18/deaths.health.insurance/index.html.. If this were due to terrorists and not something like this, every one would be freaking out.. Our public schooling system in inner city schools are in desperate need for aid for instance.. And finally the fact of the matter that the government is unable to curve corporations is shcoking, even now after bailouts and the like.. Many of them are back into the high risk damaging dealing they did last time for record profits regardless if they turn toxic.
I'm not going to debate economic philosophies on a video game forum so don't look for a heated response from me. I'll just note that the growth in size of the government over time is substantial relative to the economy as a whole. And all the problems you mentioned have become worse or have not improved dispite the size of the government increasing.
... Increased size of government? You do know the government controls less then 1% of the economy? Yes that is treu because there is more pressing matters right now.. Lets face it though the average person is stupid, selfish and shortsighted.. The Tea Party is a prime example of this, they complain about a tax raise.. In which the raise was only to people who made 250k+ with a small increase of 3%..
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]That is correct. Which gives me little respect for the recent conservative movement. If they're going to argue points as part of their entire platform, they should be accurate.I actually read that under his adminstration he has had more success with catching supposed suspects then Bush has had.. And the terrorist suspects tried in civilian courts was actually started through the Bush adminstration, not Obama's..
Engrish_Major
Bush never tried a terrorist captured outside the US in our civilian court system. I believe all the terrorists tried in civilian court, such as the shoe bomber, was done before congress created the military commission system.
I doubt we know about all the captured terrorists under Bush. He seemed unwilling to score political points by touting his success, believing that the tactical advantage of staying quiet about it outwieghed the domestic political benefits. Obama, on the other hand, couldn't get his mouthpieces to the mics fast enough to brag about all the intel they are supposedly getting from the underwear bomber, just to divert domestic political criticism. Its hard to believe they did not dimish the value of that intelligence by announcing it to the world.
I did not vote for Obama, but when he won, I did not run to the bunker and wait for the end of the world either. I hoped he would be a pragmatist in the interest of getting things done. Instead, he seems to be willing to bow down to the far left of his party while demonizing his opposition.
I think he is in way over his head. Similar to Clinton back in 1992. PBS Frontline did a show in 2001, telling the story of the 1992 Clinton campaign and transition. George Stephanapolisis quoted in that show saying they know how to campaign, but the morning after they won the election, they were scared to death because they realized they had no idea how to actually put a presidential administration together and actually govern. I think we will see a similar story being told after Obama leaves office. I believe the man believed his own hype about his ability to transform the nation in general, and the fed government in particular. Now that he has the job, it seems to me he is finding it much harder than he expected.
I agree with this. I disagree with Obama on a lot of stuff, but he hasn't been extremely effective so whatever.I was annoyed by the incessant praise he received in 2008. Then I got annoyed by the incessant criticism he received in 2009.
one_plum
That is correct. Which gives me little respect for the recent conservative movement. If they're going to argue points as part of their entire platform, they should be accurate.[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
I actually read that under his adminstration he has had more success with catching supposed suspects then Bush has had.. And the terrorist suspects tried in civilian courts was actually started through the Bush adminstration, not Obama's..
collegeboy64
Bush never tried a terrorist captured outside the US in our civilian court system. I believe all the terrorists tried in civilian court, such as the shoe bomber, was done before congress created the military commission system.
http://www.americablog.com/2009/11/george-bush-terrorists-should-be-tried.html
I do ubt we know about all the captured terrorists under Bush. He seemed unwilling to score political points by touting his success, believing that the tactical advantage of staying quiet about it outwieghed the domestic political benefits. Obama, on the other hand, couldn't get his mouthpieces to the mics fast enough to brag about all the intel they are supposedly getting from the underwear bomber, just to divert domestic political criticism. Its hard to believe they did not dimish the value of that intelligence by announcing it to the world.
Actually its the OTHER way around, little has been made a big deal about capturing terrorist.. The guy who set his pants on fire is proof in this, in which teh Obama adminstration got attacked by Cheney for not going to public ont alking it.. The Bush admintistration consistently made big deals about it, the Obama adminstration has actually been quite passive.
I did not vote for Obama, but when he won, I did not run to the bunker and wait for the end of the world either. I hoped he would be a pragmatist in the interest of getting things done. Instead, he seems to be willing to bow down to the far left of his party while demonizing his opposition.
This just isn't true. Bush has proven time and time again to be far more partisan then Obama was.. What can you do though? There is a minority party in congress that is filibustering the radical majority of everythign passed.. No where in history has there been so many filibusters, and his security policy for better or worse is extremely similar to Bush's..
I think he is in way over his head. Similar to Clinton back in 1992. PBS Frontline did a show in 2001, telling the story of the 1992 Clinton campaign and transition.
George Stephanapolisis quoted in that show saying they know how to campaign, but the morning after they won the election, they were scared to death because they realized they had no idea how to actually put a presidential administration together and actually govern. I think we will see a similar story being told after Obama leaves office. I believe the man believed his own hype about his ability to transform the nation in general, and the fed government in particular. Now that he has the job, it seems to me he is finding it much harder than he expected.
Obama's adminstration is incredibly diverse having conservative realists like Colin Powell.. if ind it hilarious you completely forget Bush and mention Clinton.. As it stands Obama and clinto proved to be far more centralist..
Another republican that will blame obama for GM but wat about Bush and the banks? Which was more money then the auto bailoutNethrana465
Ha, I'm neither just thought the Comedian Greg Morton's song who is Canadian by the way was pretty funny. I'm not even registered to vote, I could care less who is in office as long as we aren't communists or nazis.
[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]
Bush never tried a terrorist captured outside the US in our civilian court system. I believe all the terrorists tried in civilian court, such as the shoe bomber, was done before congress created the military commission system.
http://www.americablog.com/2009/11/george-bush-terrorists-should-be-tried.html
I do ubt we know about all the captured terrorists under Bush. He seemed unwilling to score political points by touting his success, believing that the tactical advantage of staying quiet about it outwieghed the domestic political benefits. Obama, on the other hand, couldn't get his mouthpieces to the mics fast enough to brag about all the intel they are supposedly getting from the underwear bomber, just to divert domestic political criticism. Its hard to believe they did not dimish the value of that intelligence by announcing it to the world.
Actually its the OTHER way around, little has been made a big deal about capturing terrorist.. The guy who set his pants on fire is proof in this, in which teh Obama adminstration got attacked by Cheney for not going to public ont alking it.. The Bush admintistration consistently made big deals about it, the Obama adminstration has actually been quite passive.
I did not vote for Obama, but when he won, I did not run to the bunker and wait for the end of the world either. I hoped he would be a pragmatist in the interest of getting things done. Instead, he seems to be willing to bow down to the far left of his party while demonizing his opposition.
This just isn't true. Bush has proven time and time again to be far more partisan then Obama was.. What can you do though? There is a minority party in congress that is filibustering the radical majority of everythign passed.. No where in history has there been so many filibusters, and his security policy for better or worse is extremely similar to Bush's..
I think he is in way over his head. Similar to Clinton back in 1992. PBS Frontline did a show in 2001, telling the story of the 1992 Clinton campaign and transition.
George Stephanapolisis quoted in that show saying they know how to campaign, but the morning after they won the election, they were scared to death because they realized they had no idea how to actually put a presidential administration together and actually govern. I think we will see a similar story being told after Obama leaves office. I believe the man believed his own hype about his ability to transform the nation in general, and the fed government in particular. Now that he has the job, it seems to me he is finding it much harder than he expected.
Obama's adminstration is incredibly diverse having conservative realists like Colin Powell.. if ind it hilarious you completely forget Bush and mention Clinton.. As it stands Obama and clinto proved to be far more centralist..
sSubZerOo
Here is a little more "in context" quoting of what Bush said:
...I appreciate the fact that the Prime Minister is concerned about the decisions that I made on -- toward Guantanamo. I assured him that we would like to end the Guantanamo. We'd like it to be empty. And we're now in the process of working with countries to repatriate people.
But there are some that, if put out on the streets, would create grave harm to American citizens and other citizens of the world. And, therefore, I believe they ought to be tried in courts here in the United States. We will file such court claims once the Supreme Court makes its decision as to whether or not -- as to the proper venue for these trials. And we're waiting on our Supreme Court to act.
He is talking about wanting to repatriate people in Gitmo back to their own countries, but that some are too dangerous and will be tried in the US. He does NOT say US civilian courts. He specifically states that his admin is waiting for the Supreme Court to rule on the proper venue. You might want to check a little deeper in to your sources before posting.
Bush let Ted Kennedy write the No-Child-Left-Behind bill. Bush implemented the new medicare prescription drug plan, a democratic favorite. The expiration of the "Bush Tax Cuts" was a provision put in to get dem support. Bush dropped Social Security reform when he could not get any bipartisan support for it.
Colin Powell is just an Obama supporter. He is not in the administration.
[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
The way I see it is spending needs to be made, and the majority of the budget is for domestic systems.. We can't afford to be fiscally conservative now, due to the fact its what is causing like our infastructure failing.. OUr roads are crumbling, our massive water dams are wearing down to dangerous levels, sewer systems that were suppose to be replaced at least 2 to 3 decades ago are failing horribly, and finally our electric system is hugely inadaquate.. The black out in 2003 in which the north East got a huge black out was due to inadaquate energy system.. Ourhealth care is a huge problem, there are some 35k people that die a year because of no healthcare http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/09/18/deaths.health.insurance/index.html.. If this were due to terrorists and not something like this, every one would be freaking out.. Our public schooling system in inner city schools are in desperate need for aid for instance.. And finally the fact of the matter that the government is unable to curve corporations is shcoking, even now after bailouts and the like.. Many of them are back into the high risk damaging dealing they did last time for record profits regardless if they turn toxic.
sSubZerOo
I'm not going to debate economic philosophies on a video game forum so don't look for a heated response from me. I'll just note that the growth in size of the government over time is substantial relative to the economy as a whole. And all the problems you mentioned have become worse or have not improved dispite the size of the government increasing.
... Increased size of government? You do know the government controls less then 1% of the economy? Yes that is treu because there is more pressing matters right now.. Lets face it though the average person is stupid, selfish and shortsighted.. The Tea Party is a prime example of this, they complain about a tax raise.. In which the raise was only to people who made 250k+ with a small increase of 3%..
1%? Go to USA.gov and look up federal expendentures as a funtion of %GDP. Its closer to 30%.
I think we will see a similar story being told after Obama leaves office. I believe the man believed his own hype about his ability to transform the nation in general, and the fed government in particular. Now that he has the job, it seems to me he is finding it much harder than he expected.
collegeboy64
I don't think it will be a similar story because Clinton was smart enough to admit he didn't know what he was doing so he handedhis administration overto Dick Morris. Obama would never do something like that.
I'm somewhat conservative so I have big differences of opinion with him on a lot of issues. I think he's done OK, but I think he's not shown good leadership to date.
I agree with withdrawing our troops from Iraq and I think we will be able to do that on a timeline. I commend him for pushing that issue. I like his stance on world relations, but I think he's finding out that you can't be everyone's friend. Sometimes, you have to act in your nation's best interest and not try to "just look good".
I agree with the need for health reform, but I think he's done a lousy job on it. He didn't sell it very well to the public or to congress for that matter. The dems had the white house, the house of rep and a super majority in the senate - and nothing got done. I think what he needed to do was formulate a plan and then articulate that to the people. He should have hammered the points of escalating costs and the fact that health care is on tract to become unaffordable to almost any working person.
I'm not huge on a lot of the stimulus spending. The economy is cyclical and will recover regardless of his actions. Making sure the financial system didn't collapse was a good move, but that was just as much congress and Bush as it was Obama via TARP. Bush, jr. certainly expanded the deficit, but Obama is on pace to add almost 10 trillion to it. That's outrageous and I think our government as a whole needs to show better responsibility.
I don't like how he plays class warfare. He seems to target successful people and paints them as some kind of villain. Just playing populist politics and I would have hoped a president would have been above that kind of grade school tactic.
I like him and to anyone who whinges about him - it could be worse, you could have Gordon Brown :|tofu-lion91Hahaha. Is Brown that bad? How does he compare to Blair?
He's a huge improvement over the mentally defective chimpanzee that we had in office before.
Although it seems like some people now want to elect a mentally defective female chimpanzee to high office. And if the female ape ever gets into office, I think I might have to leave the planet, if not by rocket ship then by suicide.
bigfootstew
It seems no matter how often liberals make statements like these they never follow through. If they actually left like they say they would we would be arguing over Republicans vs. Libertarians.
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