What is your view of Obama?

[QUOTE="bigfootstew"]

He's a huge improvement over the mentally defective chimpanzee that we had in office before.

Although it seems like some people now want to elect a mentally defective female chimpanzee to high office. And if the female ape ever gets into office, I think I might have to leave the planet, if not by rocket ship then by suicide.

DaBrainz

It seems no matter how often liberals make statements like these they never follow through. If they actually left like they say they would we would be arguing over Republicans vs. Libertarians.

If Palin gets into office, the world is doomed. There's no way this planet can survive someone that dumb having control of nuclear weapons.

Who can fix the mortgage?

General Motors, too

A bailout check for me

And a bailout check for you

Obama Man. Yes, Obama Man can Obama Man can 'cause he mixes it with hope

And makes the world taste good

xXDrPainXx

He's a huge improvement over the mentally defective chimpanzee that we had in office before.

Although it seems like some people now want to elect a mentally defective female chimpanzee to high office. And if the female ape ever gets into office, I think I might have to leave the planet, if not by rocket ship then by suicide.

bigfootstew

Wow. Mentally defective chimpanzee??? Can't you disagree with other people's policies and such without being such a troll?

Just curious what you think of the fact that Obama will not release his academic records. Every previous president, even "monkey boy" Bush did.

As for leaving the planet, I seem to remember you in another thread stating that you can't wait to leave our fine country and I offered to help you out with the purchase of your plane ticket. You never took me up on it, so I guess I won't put much value on your stated intentions to leave anywhere, country or planet.

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

[QUOTE="bigfootstew"]

He's a huge improvement over the mentally defective chimpanzee that we had in office before.

Although it seems like some people now want to elect a mentally defective female chimpanzee to high office. And if the female ape ever gets into office, I think I might have to leave the planet, if not by rocket ship then by suicide.

bigfootstew

It seems no matter how often liberals make statements like these they never follow through. If they actually left like they say they would we would be arguing over Republicans vs. Libertarians.

If Palin gets into office, the world is doomed. There's no way this planet can survive someone that dumb having control of nuclear weapons.

'Sides, it's a non-issue. She'll never get the Presidency - she's probably half the reason McCain lost the election.

[QUOTE="bigfootstew"]

He's a huge improvement over the mentally defective chimpanzee that we had in office before.

Although it seems like some people now want to elect a mentally defective female chimpanzee to high office. And if the female ape ever gets into office, I think I might have to leave the planet, if not by rocket ship then by suicide.

collegeboy64

Wow. Mentally defective chimpanzee??? Can't you disagree with other people's policies and such without being such a troll?

Just curious what you think of the fact that Obama will not release his academic records. Every previous president, even "monkey boy" Bush did.

As for leaving the planet, I seem to remember you in another thread stating that you can't wait to leave our fine country and I offered to help you out with the purchase of your plane ticket. You never took me up on it, so I guess I won't put much value on your stated intentions to leave anywhere, country or planet.

Chimpy turned this country into a dumpster in just eight years. We now have two disastrous foreign wars and the greatest economic disaster since the great depression thanks to him. We can't survive having another ape in office.

Palin flunked out of college several times and was so dumb in her interview with Couric that she made Couric seem like a genius by comparison, and Couric is a total bimbo airhead herself.

Palin is trash. Whatever happened to electing our best and brightest?

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="bigfootstew"]

He's a huge improvement over the mentally defective chimpanzee that we had in office before.

Although it seems like some people now want to elect a mentally defective female chimpanzee to high office. And if the female ape ever gets into office, I think I might have to leave the planet, if not by rocket ship then by suicide.

bigfootstew

Wow. Mentally defective chimpanzee??? Can't you disagree with other people's policies and such without being such a troll?

Just curious what you think of the fact that Obama will not release his academic records. Every previous president, even "monkey boy" Bush did.

As for leaving the planet, I seem to remember you in another thread stating that you can't wait to leave our fine country and I offered to help you out with the purchase of your plane ticket. You never took me up on it, so I guess I won't put much value on your stated intentions to leave anywhere, country or planet.

Chimpy turned this country into a dumpster in just eight years. We now have two disastrous foreign wars and the greatest economic disaster since the great depression thanks to him. We can't survive having another ape in office.

Palin flunked out of college several times and was so dumb in her interview with Couric that she made Couric seem like a genius by comparison, and Couric is a total bimbo airhead herself.

bigfootstew

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

[QUOTE="bigfootstew"]

He's a huge improvement over the mentally defective chimpanzee that we had in office before.

Although it seems like some people now want to elect a mentally defective female chimpanzee to high office. And if the female ape ever gets into office, I think I might have to leave the planet, if not by rocket ship then by suicide.

bigfootstew

It seems no matter how often liberals make statements like these they never follow through. If they actually left like they say they would we would be arguing over Republicans vs. Libertarians.

If Palin gets into office, the world is doomed. There's no way this planet can survive someone that dumb having control of nuclear weapons.

I highly doubt Palin would ever get into office. But people made similar comments like yours back in 2000. Low and behold none of the liberals left like they said they would.

And college boy is right, you can be critical without going olberterian on them. It just takes credibility away from legit concerns.

[QUOTE="bigfootstew"]

Palin flunked out of college several times and was so dumb in her interview with Couric that she made Couric seem like a genius by comparison, and Couric is a total bimbo airhead herself.

PannicAtack

She transferred around because she was flunking.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="bigfootstew"]

Palin flunked out of college several times and was so dumb in her interview with Couric that she made Couric seem like a genius by comparison, and Couric is a total bimbo airhead herself.

bigfootstew

She transferred around because she was flunking.

He's a huge improvement over the mentally defective chimpanzee that we had in office before.

Although it seems like some people now want to elect a mentally defective female chimpanzee to high office. And if the female ape ever gets into office, I think I might have to leave the planet, if not by rocket ship then by suicide.

bigfootstew

[QUOTE="bigfootstew"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Did she really flunk out of college, or did she just transfer?

PannicAtack

She transferred around because she was flunking.

How do you feel about her husband being a treasonous scumbag who wants Alaska to secede from the union? I thought you guys were all "GO USA!" I don't really give a crap either way since I think this country sucks.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="bigfootstew"]

She transferred around because she was flunking.

bigfootstew

He do you feel about her husband being a treasonous scumbag who wants Alaska to secede from the union? I thought you guys were all "GO USA!"

obama hascharisma

while brian cowen(irelands leader looks like a fish)

I'm somewhat conservative so I have big differences of opinion with him on a lot of issues. I think he's done OK, but I think he's not shown good leadership to date.

I agree with withdrawing our troops from Iraq and I think we will be able to do that on a timeline. I commend him for pushing that issue. I like his stance on world relations, but I think he's finding out that you can't be everyone's friend. Sometimes, you have to act in your nation's best interest and not try to "just look good".

I agree with the need for health reform, but I think he's done a lousy job on it. He didn't sell it very well to the public or to congress for that matter. The dems had the white house, the house of rep and a super majority in the senate - and nothing got done. I think what he needed to do was formulate a plan and then articulate that to the people. He should have hammered the points of escalating costs and the fact that health care is on tract to become unaffordable to almost any working person.

I'm not huge on a lot of the stimulus spending. The economy is cyclical and will recover regardless of his actions. Making sure the financial system didn't collapse was a good move, but that was just as much congress and Bush as it was Obama via TARP. Bush, jr. certainly expanded the deficit, but Obama is on pace to add almost 10 trillion to it. That's outrageous and I think our government as a whole needs to show better responsibility.

I don't like how he plays class warfare. He seems to target successful people and paints them as some kind of villain. Just playing populist politics and I would have hoped a president would have been above that kind of grade school tactic.

sonicare

Well that's not actually true by any measures. The Senate passed a healthcare bill, as did the House, and they were within weeks of reconciling the bills and passing that final bill when Scott Brown pulled an upset in Massachussets.

[QUOTE="bigfootstew"]

Chimpy turned this country into a dumpster in just eight years. We now have two disastrous foreign wars and the greatest economic disaster since the great depression thanks to him. We can't survive having another ape in office.

Palin flunked out of college several times and was so dumb in her interview with Couric that she made Couric seem like a genius by comparison, and Couric is a total bimbo airhead herself.

Palin is trash. Whatever happened to electing our best and brightest?

collegeboy64

Our country is not a dumpster. Its still the greatest, most free nation on earth. We are in a downturn right now, but it will come back. It always does. We survived Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter, we'll survive Bush and Obama.

As for electing our best and brightest. Hasn't ever been the case. We tend to elect the best looking and most telegenic.

So, what will it take to get you on a plane out of here? I got my tax return back and I'm feeling financially flush right now. We won't even try to take up a collection. I'm offering to buy you a one way ticket to any other country in return for your signing a document renouncing your citizenship and pledging, under risk of civil penalty, to NEVER return.

Man up or shut up.

PM me about sending me the money. But I need all my moving expenses covered. $15,000 should cover it.

And yeah, this country is a real turd compared to Canada, Australia, and anywhere in Western Europe. People are just brainwashed.

most free nation on earth.

collegeboy64

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="bigfootstew"]

Chimpy turned this country into a dumpster in just eight years. We now have two disastrous foreign wars and the greatest economic disaster since the great depression thanks to him. We can't survive having another ape in office.

Palin flunked out of college several times and was so dumb in her interview with Couric that she made Couric seem like a genius by comparison, and Couric is a total bimbo airhead herself.

Palin is trash. Whatever happened to electing our best and brightest?

bigfootstew

Our country is not a dumpster. Its still the greatest, most free nation on earth. We are in a downturn right now, but it will come back. It always does. We survived Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter, we'll survive Bush and Obama.

As for electing our best and brightest. Hasn't ever been the case. We tend to elect the best looking and most telegenic.

So, what will it take to get you on a plane out of here? I got my tax return back and I'm feeling financially flush right now. We won't even try to take up a collection. I'm offering to buy you a one way ticket to any other country in return for your signing a document renouncing your citizenship and pledging, under risk of civil penalty, to NEVER return.

Man up or shut up.

PM me about sending me the money. But I need all my moving expenses covered. $15,000 should cover it.

I'm not covering all your expenses. I'm offering to buy you a plane ticket to whatever foreign paradise you want to go to. A couple grand ought to cover it.

I'm also not turning the money over to you and then trusting you to fulfill your end of the deal. You must renounce your citizenship and swear to NEVER come back. I'll even come to the airport to see you off.

i think that like most presidents, he came into Office with the intention of doing everything he promised to try and accomplish. However, once in office, i think he found out all to soon who really runs the show and that he's merely a figurehead to thebankers and corporate executives with their 'interests' that seems to be where all these bills and acts etc are stemming from.

[QUOTE="bigfootstew"]

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

Our country is not a dumpster. Its still the greatest, most free nation on earth. We are in a downturn right now, but it will come back. It always does. We survived Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter, we'll survive Bush and Obama.

As for electing our best and brightest. Hasn't ever been the case. We tend to elect the best looking and most telegenic.

So, what will it take to get you on a plane out of here? I got my tax return back and I'm feeling financially flush right now. We won't even try to take up a collection. I'm offering to buy you a one way ticket to any other country in return for your signing a document renouncing your citizenship and pledging, under risk of civil penalty, to NEVER return.

Man up or shut up.

collegeboy64

PM me about sending me the money. But I need all my moving expenses covered. $15,000 should cover it.

I'm not covering all your expenses. I'm offering to buy you a plane ticket to whatever foreign paradise you want to go to. A couple grand ought to cover it.

I'm also not turning the money over to you and then trusting you to fulfill your end of the deal. You must renounce your citizenship and swear to NEVER come back. I'll even come to the airport to see you off.

Whatever happened to electing our best and brightest?

bigfootstew

i think that like most presidents, he came into Office with the intention of doing everything he promised to try and accomplish. However, once in office, i think he found out all to soon who really runs the show and that he's merely a figurehead to thebankers and corporate executives with their 'interests' that seems to be where all these bills and acts etc are stemming from.

_R34LiTY_

[QUOTE="bigfootstew"]

He's a huge improvement over the mentally defective chimpanzee that we had in office before.

Although it seems like some people now want to elect a mentally defective female chimpanzee to high office. And if the female ape ever gets into office, I think I might have to leave the planet, if not by rocket ship then by suicide.

collegeboy64

Wow. Mentally defective chimpanzee??? Can't you disagree with other people's policies and such without being such a troll?

Just curious what you think of the fact that Obama will not release his academic records. Every previous president, even "monkey boy" Bush did.

As for leaving the planet, I seem to remember you in another thread stating that you can't wait to leave our fine country and I offered to help you out with the purchase of your plane ticket. You never took me up on it, so I guess I won't put much value on your stated intentions to leave anywhere, country or planet.

.. Though he was over extending it, the Bush adminstration and now Palin are embodying the anti-intellectual movement with in the conservative side.. Where propaganda slogans are the name of the day over any real solutions.. The fact that a large % of Americans still don't think Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States, that is ridiculous.

[QUOTE="bigfootstew"]

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

Our country is not a dumpster. Its still the greatest, most free nation on earth. We are in a downturn right now, but it will come back. It always does. We survived Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter, we'll survive Bush and Obama.

As for electing our best and brightest. Hasn't ever been the case. We tend to elect the best looking and most telegenic.

So, what will it take to get you on a plane out of here? I got my tax return back and I'm feeling financially flush right now. We won't even try to take up a collection. I'm offering to buy you a one way ticket to any other country in return for your signing a document renouncing your citizenship and pledging, under risk of civil penalty, to NEVER return.

Man up or shut up.

collegeboy64

PM me about sending me the money. But I need all my moving expenses covered. $15,000 should cover it.

I'm not covering all your expenses. I'm offering to buy you a plane ticket to whatever foreign paradise you want to go to. A couple grand ought to cover it.

I'm also not turning the money over to you and then trusting you to fulfill your end of the deal. You must renounce your citizenship and swear to NEVER come back. I'll even come to the airport to see you off.

I need it in a cashier's check. You don't seem very trustworthy.

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

i think that like most presidents, he came into Office with the intention of doing everything he promised to try and accomplish. However, once in office, i think he found out all to soon who really runs the show and that he's merely a figurehead to thebankers and corporate executives with their 'interests' that seems to be where all these bills and acts etc are stemming from.

PannicAtack

all banks are taxed or certain banks ? last i heard it wasonly certain 'lower class' banks. whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anyways...

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="bigfootstew"]

He's a huge improvement over the mentally defective chimpanzee that we had in office before.

Although it seems like some people now want to elect a mentally defective female chimpanzee to high office. And if the female ape ever gets into office, I think I might have to leave the planet, if not by rocket ship then by suicide.

sSubZerOo

Wow. Mentally defective chimpanzee??? Can't you disagree with other people's policies and such without being such a troll?

Just curious what you think of the fact that Obama will not release his academic records. Every previous president, even "monkey boy" Bush did.

As for leaving the planet, I seem to remember you in another thread stating that you can't wait to leave our fine country and I offered to help you out with the purchase of your plane ticket. You never took me up on it, so I guess I won't put much value on your stated intentions to leave anywhere, country or planet.

.. Though he was over extending it, the Bush adminstration and now Palin are embodying the anti-intellectual movement with in the conservative side.. Where propaganda slogans are the name of the day over any real solutions.. The fact that a large % of Americans still don't think Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States, that is ridiculous.

Oh don't start with that error america anti-intellectual movement BS. Bush's policies are a stones throw from Obama's. And please stop the Sarah Palin straw man. Last time I checked she wasn't currently in office or is currently running for office.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

I'm not going to debate economic philosophies on a video game forum so don't look for a heated response from me. I'll just note that the growth in size of the government over time is substantial relative to the economy as a whole. And all the problems you mentioned have become worse or have not improved dispite the size of the government increasing.

DaBrainz

... Increased size of government? You do know the government controls less then 1% of the economy? Yes that is treu because there is more pressing matters right now.. Lets face it though the average person is stupid, selfish and shortsighted.. The Tea Party is a prime example of this, they complain about a tax raise.. In which the raise was only to people who made 250k+ with a small increase of 3%..

1%? Go to USA.gov and look up federal expendentures as a funtion of %GDP. Its closer to 30%.

:roll:

http://business.theatlantic.com/2009/06/now_that_the_government_owns_general_motors.php

The government doesn't control much.. Furthermore its pretty humerous that you guys keep talkinga bout big government, but don't go after the military.. The largest cost out there with Iraq and Afghanistan in mind, it makes up over 50% of the US governments budget.. Sorry if I don't think the fiscally conservative are such what so ever when they want to upkeep a absurdly expensive military branch.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

Wow. Mentally defective chimpanzee??? Can't you disagree with other people's policies and such without being such a troll?

Just curious what you think of the fact that Obama will not release his academic records. Every previous president, even "monkey boy" Bush did.

As for leaving the planet, I seem to remember you in another thread stating that you can't wait to leave our fine country and I offered to help you out with the purchase of your plane ticket. You never took me up on it, so I guess I won't put much value on your stated intentions to leave anywhere, country or planet.

DaBrainz

.. Though he was over extending it, the Bush adminstration and now Palin are embodying the anti-intellectual movement with in the conservative side.. Where propaganda slogans are the name of the day over any real solutions.. The fact that a large % of Americans still don't think Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States, that is ridiculous.

Oh don't start with that error america anti-intellectual movement BS. Bush's policies are a stones throw from Obama's. And please stop the Sarah Palin straw man. Last time I checked she wasn't currently in office or is currently running for office.

... You wouldn't say "They hate us for our freedoms!", "We have to fight them over there, so they don't come over here!" as not anti-intellectual? Yes indeed Palin is not in office which is fortunate indeed, that doesn't stop her from being the most popular figure within the Republican party... I would tend to agree if it were not for the fact that these figures were massively popular and consistently depend on such ridiculous rhetoric.. which I do agree Obama's security policy is too close to Bush's but unfortunately if he were change this at all, such as leaving Iraq and Afghanistan, the republicans would call him a coward and traitor.. The fact that a large % think he feels pitty for the terrorists, or isn't even a natural born american is proof of this.. This may not be the case for a large % but that is their fault as well, they have led the party to getting hijacked by a social conservative evangelical movement.

Is it the same as when he was elected?, if not what do you think of Obama now, is he doing a good job?

caribo2222

I actually read that under his adminstration he has had more success with catching supposed suspects then Bush has had.. And the terrorist suspects tried in civilian courts was actually started through the Bush adminstration, not Obama's..

i think that like most presidents, he came into Office with the intention of doing everything he promised to try and accomplish. However, once in office, i think he found out all to soon who really runs the show and that he's merely a figurehead to thebankers and corporate executives with their 'interests' that seems to be where all these bills and acts etc are stemming from.

_R34LiTY_

In general, I think he, along with much of the Democratic party, needs to grow some ****ing balls already.

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

... Increased size of government? You do know the government controls less then 1% of the economy? Yes that is treu because there is more pressing matters right now.. Lets face it though the average person is stupid, selfish and shortsighted.. The Tea Party is a prime example of this, they complain about a tax raise.. In which the raise was only to people who made 250k+ with a small increase of 3%..

sSubZerOo

1%? Go to USA.gov and look up federal expendentures as a funtion of %GDP. Its closer to 30%.

:roll:

http://business.theatlantic.com/2009/06/now_that_the_government_owns_general_motors.php

The government doesn't control much.. Furthermore its pretty humerous that you guys keep talkinga bout big government, but don't go after the military.. The largest cost out there with Iraq and Afghanistan in mind, it makes up over 50% of the US governments budget.. Sorry if I don't think the fiscally conservative are such what so ever when they want to upkeep a absurdly expensive military branch.

Sorry but you didn't refute my point so I don't really know where your going. Also you seem to be confusing fiscal conservativeswith republican.

He has done a few things that i think are okay, like improve relations with Cuba. That is about it.

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

.. Though he was over extending it, the Bush adminstration and now Palin are embodying the anti-intellectual movement with in the conservative side.. Where propaganda slogans are the name of the day over any real solutions.. The fact that a large % of Americans still don't think Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States, that is ridiculous.

sSubZerOo

Oh don't start with that error america anti-intellectual movement BS. Bush's policies are a stones throw from Obama's. And please stop the Sarah Palin straw man. Last time I checked she wasn't currently in office or is currently running for office.

... You wouldn't say "They hate us for our freedoms!", "We have to fight them over there, so they don't come over here!" as not anti-intellectual? Yes indeed Palin is not in office which is fortunate indeed, that doesn't stop her from being the most popular figure within the Republican party... I would tend to agree if it were not for the fact that these figures were massively popular and consistently depend on such ridiculous rhetoric.. which I do agree Obama's security policy is too close to Bush's but unfortunately if he were change this at all, such as leaving Iraq and Afghanistan, the republicans would call him a coward and traitor.. The fact that a large % think he feels pitty for the terrorists, or isn't even a natural born american is proof of this.. This may not be the case for a large % but that is their fault as well, they have led the party to getting hijacked by a social conservative evangelical movement.

The point is (and I'm pretty sure that I've argued with you on this topic before), that the Democrats and supporters are just as prone to what you call "ridiculous rhetoric". And to somehow equate anti-intellectualism with only republicans is anti-intellectual in itself. Since anti-intellectualism remains somewhat constant across all boundaries then there is no movement.

Both Bush and Obama represent the most liberal movement since the LBJ days. That's whyi ts very illogical to represent Bush as a pillar of anti-intellectualism without saying the same thing about Obama.

Edit:Gamespottookthespacesoutandiputthembackin,

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I'm somewhat conservative so I have big differences of opinion with him on a lot of issues. I think he's done OK, but I think he's not shown good leadership to date.

I agree with withdrawing our troops from Iraq and I think we will be able to do that on a timeline. I commend him for pushing that issue. I like his stance on world relations, but I think he's finding out that you can't be everyone's friend. Sometimes, you have to act in your nation's best interest and not try to "just look good".

I agree with the need for health reform, but I think he's done a lousy job on it. He didn't sell it very well to the public or to congress for that matter. The dems had the white house, the house of rep and a super majority in the senate - and nothing got done. I think what he needed to do was formulate a plan and then articulate that to the people. He should have hammered the points of escalating costs and the fact that health care is on tract to become unaffordable to almost any working person.

I'm not huge on a lot of the stimulus spending. The economy is cyclical and will recover regardless of his actions. Making sure the financial system didn't collapse was a good move, but that was just as much congress and Bush as it was Obama via TARP. Bush, jr. certainly expanded the deficit, but Obama is on pace to add almost 10 trillion to it. That's outrageous and I think our government as a whole needs to show better responsibility.

I don't like how he plays class warfare. He seems to target successful people and paints them as some kind of villain. Just playing populist politics and I would have hoped a president would have been above that kind of grade school tactic.

Well that's not actually true by any measures. The Senate passed a healthcare bill, as did the House, and they were within weeks of reconciling the bills and passing that final bill when Scott Brown pulled an upset in Massachussets.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

Oh don't start with that error america anti-intellectual movement BS. Bush's policies are a stones throw from Obama's. And please stop the Sarah Palin straw man. Last time I checked she wasn't currently in office or is currently running for office.

DaBrainz

... You wouldn't say "They hate us for our freedoms!", "We have to fight them over there, so they don't come over here!" as not anti-intellectual? Yes indeed Palin is not in office which is fortunate indeed, that doesn't stop her from being the most popular figure within the Republican party... I would tend to agree if it were not for the fact that these figures were massively popular and consistently depend on such ridiculous rhetoric.. which I do agree Obama's security policy is too close to Bush's but unfortunately if he were change this at all, such as leaving Iraq and Afghanistan, the republicans would call him a coward and traitor.. The fact that a large % think he feels pitty for the terrorists, or isn't even a natural born american is proof of this.. This may not be the case for a large % but that is their fault as well, they have led the party to getting hijacked by a social conservative evangelical movement.

The point is (and I'm pretty sure that I've argued with you on this topic before), that the Democrats andsupporters are just as prone to what you call "ridiculous rhetoric". And to somehow equate anti-intellectualism with only republicans is anti-intellectual in itself. Sinceanti-intellectualism remains somewhat constant across all boundaries then there is no movement.

Both Bush and Obamarepresentthe most liberal movement since the LBJ days. That's whyitsveryillogical torepresent Bushas a pillar of anti-intellectualism without saying the same thing about Obama.

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="bigfootstew"]

He's a huge improvement over the mentally defective chimpanzee that we had in office before.

Although it seems like some people now want to elect a mentally defective female chimpanzee to high office. And if the female ape ever gets into office, I think I might have to leave the planet, if not by rocket ship then by suicide.

bigfootstew

Wow. Mentally defective chimpanzee??? Can't you disagree with other people's policies and such without being such a troll?

Just curious what you think of the fact that Obama will not release his academic records. Every previous president, even "monkey boy" Bush did.

As for leaving the planet, I seem to remember you in another thread stating that you can't wait to leave our fine country and I offered to help you out with the purchase of your plane ticket. You never took me up on it, so I guess I won't put much value on your stated intentions to leave anywhere, country or planet.

Chimpy turned this country into a dumpster in just eight years. We now have two disastrous foreign wars and the greatest economic disaster since the great depression thanks to him. We can't survive having another ape in office.

Palin flunked out of college several times and was so dumb in her interview with Couric that she made Couric seem like a genius by comparison, and Couric is a total bimbo airhead herself.

Palin is trash. Whatever happened to electing our best and brightest?

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

... You wouldn't say "They hate us for our freedoms!", "We have to fight them over there, so they don't come over here!" as not anti-intellectual? Yes indeed Palin is not in office which is fortunate indeed, that doesn't stop her from being the most popular figure within the Republican party... I would tend to agree if it were not for the fact that these figures were massively popular and consistently depend on such ridiculous rhetoric.. which I do agree Obama's security policy is too close to Bush's but unfortunately if he were change this at all, such as leaving Iraq and Afghanistan, the republicans would call him a coward and traitor.. The fact that a large % think he feels pitty for the terrorists, or isn't even a natural born american is proof of this.. This may not be the case for a large % but that is their fault as well, they have led the party to getting hijacked by a social conservative evangelical movement.

-Sun_Tzu-

The point is (and I'm pretty sure that I've argued with you on this topic before), that the Democrats andsupporters are just as prone to what you call "ridiculous rhetoric". And to somehow equate anti-intellectualism with only republicans is anti-intellectual in itself. Sinceanti-intellectualism remains somewhat constant across all boundaries then there is no movement.

Both Bush and Obamarepresentthe most liberal movement since the LBJ days. That's whyitsveryillogical torepresent Bushas a pillar of anti-intellectualism without saying the same thing about Obama.

Here is the problem. Republicans are notorius for talking about how they support fiscal conservatism but the fact is the government grows everytime they have power. Your also confusing things that he said with things he actually did.

Like with the bailouts he basically said that businesses should be allowed to fail, but I'll make an exception this one time.:? I could list a bunch of other examples but I think you could easily google those. Its safe to say that Bush and most of the republicans fell out of favor with the fiscal conservatives long ago.

My view is pretty much the same as it was before. I still have absolutely no regrets for voting for him. As for how he's doing so far - he's been doing okay, although I'm very worried about what's going on in South Asia with Afghanistan and our alienation of India vis-a-vis Afghanistan's future. -Sun_Tzu-

That has also been worrying me as well. However, I'm not surprized most Americans do not know about the whole Kashmir dispute. I am not one to generalize often, but the ignorance, arrogance, naivete, and idiocity I have witnessed in this country is astounding. There are idiots everywhere though :(

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]My view is pretty much the same as it was before. I still have absolutely no regrets for voting for him. As for how he's doing so far - he's been doing okay, although I'm very worried about what's going on in South Asia with Afghanistan and our alienation of India vis-a-vis Afghanistan's future. On3ShotOneKill

That has also been worrying me as well. However, I'm not surprized most Americans do not know about the whole Kashmir dispute. I am not one to generalize often, but the ignorance, arrogance, naivete, and idiocity I have witnessed in this country is astounding. There are idiots everywhere though :(

When he was elected, my view of him was quite neutral. Considering he has done basically nothing since his election, my view remains neutral and very unimpressed. Unfortunately though, McCain would have been a MUCH worse choice for the country, especially with Palin VP'ing it up.