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#51 Crushmaster
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Strictly speaking, nothing does; we're evil, and cannot make ourselves good. As Christ said to the rich young ruler, "Why do you call Me good? There is only One good, that is, God" (another proof that He definitely claimed to be God, as the Bible calls Him good).

If you ask yourself, "Am I a good person?", and examine yourself in light of God's law, you'll be forced to conclude: no, I am not. This is why "He [Jesus] Who knew no sin became sin for us [for the Church], that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him."

For there is none righteous - no, not one.
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Depends entirely on peoples perspective. What may be bad in one persons eyes could be good in another...

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#53 Mike-uk
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A user of weed. Also keen interest in horror movies and The Resident Evil series ( can include the films but does'nt have to ).

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#54 harashawn
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From a Christian standpoint, no one is good. From another point of view, a good person puts the well-being of others before themselves.
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#55 Mike-uk
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From a Christian standpoint, no one is good. From another point of view, a good person puts the well-being of others before themselves.harashawn
Very black and white style of thinking no?
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#56 harashawn
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[QUOTE="harashawn"]From a Christian standpoint, no one is good. From another point of view, a good person puts the well-being of others before themselves.Mike-uk
Very black and white style of thinking no?

Not everything is a shade of grey. Selfless = good, selfish = bad.
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"Good" as pertains to the secular world is meaningless and generally boils down to "what benefits me."

There is only one force that has the authority to define what is universally "good" and that's God.

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"Good" as pertains to the secular world is meaningless and generally boils down to "what benefits me."

There is only one force that has the authority to define what is universally "good" and that's God.

ZombieKiller7
the Christian god? Cuz if so, then, holy sh*t, you picked a really bad guy to follow.
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#59 Crushmaster
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the Christian god? Cuz if so, then you picked a really bad guy to follow. l4dak47

Bad in terms of morality, or bad in some other way (e.g., unwise, but not necessarily evil)?
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#60 smokingsbad
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Doing good things because you want to, not because you have to.
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#61 SaudiFury
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Good and Evil are subjective. Only a few years ago, Assad in Syria was viewed as good - nowadays, he's not. Good and evil changes over time. Even Hitler at one stage was considered legitimate by other world leaders.michaelP4
this guy gets it...
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I do not know. I am not one myself.
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#63 Deihjan
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"Good" as pertains to the secular world is meaningless and generally boils down to "what benefits me."

There is only one force that has the authority to define what is universally "good" and that's God.

ZombieKiller7
Funny, since gods tend to act like 5 year old kids who aren't getting their way. Except with omnipotent powers.
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I believe your ability to love determines how "good" you are. Not only to love others, but also to love yourself. If you do this, then all of the aforementioned qualities become inherent.

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[QUOTE="l4dak47"]the Christian god? Cuz if so, then you picked a really bad guy to follow. Crushmaster


Bad in terms of morality, or bad in some other way (e.g., unwise, but not necessarily evil)?
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Bad as in he's a fvcking dick to his "beloved" creations.
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#66 Deihjan
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I believe your ability to love determines how "good" you are. Not only to love others, but also to love yourself. If you do this, then all of the aforementioned qualities become inherent.

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By what definiton of the word 'love' are we talking here?
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#67 Crushmaster
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Bad as in He mistreats His "beloved" creations. l4dak47

By what objective, moral standard do you determine that He is mistreating them (doing them wrong)?
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#68 SuperKaio-ken
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Subjective Whatever the person judging you thinks is good.
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#69 deactivated-5a79221380856
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I don't know what good is. I just know what good feels like.

[QUOTE="AussieePet"]None is good only God is goodmattisgod01

Why would an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being require a distinction of "Good" or "Bad"? Wouldn't such things be irrelevant?

You forgot one characteristic: omnibenevolent. Ergo, God can only be good, which implies he doesn't really have a choice in the matter.
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#70 l4dak47
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[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Bad as in He mistreats His "beloved" creations. Crushmaster


By what objective, moral standard do you determine that He is mistreating them (doing them wrong)?
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Nice edit. Also, there's no such thing as objective morals. What there are, however, are morals that just about most people can agree on. They include no slavery, not killing millions of people, not sending people to a place to suffer forever, and many immoral things, all of which your "god" has either done or approved of at some point or another.
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#71 Crushmaster
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Nice edit. Also, there's no such thing as objective. What there are, however, are morals that just about most people can agree on. They include no slavery, not killing millions of people, not sending people to a place to suffer forever, and many immoral things, all of which your "god" has either done or approved of at some point or another. l4dak47

No such thing as "objective" anything, or just objective morality?

What makes man worthy of judging the morality of anything?

Also, a few quick points.,.

(1) Slavery in the Bible was more of a social status than, e.g., "You're black, you're less of a person, thus you're only good for being a slave."

Two articles on the subject (both reasonably short, don't worry)...

Christian Apologetics Research Ministry

GotQuestions

(2) Yes, the Israelites killed many people. But check this out (this one is a bit long, but you should be able to see my side just from skimming)...

Christian Apologetics Research Ministry

Especially note the heading entitled, "A Discernable Pattern." These people we're not "just being killed"; it was much more than that. These people were committing acts we would both consider evil.

Finally: Hell is not immoral if you see a miniscule glimpse of how evil man is, and how holy God is. I encourage you to take a look at this - a little "blog" (just a temporary Website) I have, addressing the question of, "Are you righteous?"
God bless,
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I don't know what good is. I just know what good feels like. [QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="AussieePet"]None is good only God is goodGenetic_Code

Why would an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being require a distinction of "Good" or "Bad"? Wouldn't such things be irrelevant?

You forgot one characteristic: omnibenevolent. Ergo, God can only be good, which implies he doesn't really have a choice in the matter.

Yea but i still don't see why being "Good" or "Evil" would have any relevance or meaning to such a being. Such things may apply to lesser beings like humans but who or what could possible judge God?

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#73 FalcoLX
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I would call Bill Gates a good person because he's devoted his personal fortune and even more than that, his time and skills to improving the quality of life of other people. He's not infallible, but he doesn't have to be.

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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Bad as in He mistreats His "beloved" creations. l4dak47


By what objective, moral standard do you determine that He is mistreating them (doing them wrong)?
God bless,
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Nice edit. Also, there's no such thing as objective morals. What there are, however, are morals that just about most people can agree on. They include no slavery, not killing millions of people, not sending people to a place to suffer forever, and many immoral things, all of which your "god" has either done or approved of at some point or another.

As I said, "good and bad" in the secular worldview is meaningless. Whatever benefits you, you will consider good.

To a lion, if you stood still that would be good, cuz he's hungry.

"Lions all agree, it's good for the prey not to run."

Are you gonna do what's good for Mr Lion or what's good for you?

Therein you have conflict of interest which creates unstable geopolitcal situations, genocide, etc.

Hitler was an atheist, to him killing off the enemies of Germany was morally "good."

It comes down to law of the jungle, whoever is strongest wins and gets to define good and bad.

On the other hand, when an omnipotent universal force defines "good" you can take that to the bank. You may say "bu bu lots of people die." So what, lots of people die no matter what.

Where atheism fails is it looks for control where it has none. It wants to define good and evil as some new age bullschit with nothing to back it up except "most people want it" where "most people" have about the same worth as a housepet whose morality is based on eating, schitting, sleeping and f*cking.

If that's the truth you follow in life then good luck.

I prefer a higher truth.

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#75 JigglyWiggly_
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ez
rike klonoa
or classic sonic

NEVAR GIVIN UP
INSPIRE OTHERS
put others first
never betrayin yo friends


or captain picard

no this type of gud listed above is not subjective


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#76 Suzy_Q_Kazoo
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Hmm, that's difficult to answer, as it is subjective. I agree with you though, TC.

Good intentions followed through by mostly good actions (because everyone makes mistakes from time to time), consideration and compassion for others, solid moral judgment, honest, integrity, etc.

It might be hard to discern some of those, but then again not everyone you initially think is "good" actually turns out to be, so no it's not something concretely solved.

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I guess good moral values.

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None is good only God is goodAussieePet

Oh dear.

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a good person is a person who likes neon bible by arcade fire a bad person would be an out-spoken non-smoker
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Not humoring AP's sh1tty troll posts is a good criterion.

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#81 Seraphy-
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Not humoring AP's sh1tty troll posts is a good criterion.

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#82 kriggy
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If your schlong is any less then 18 cm you are naturally a bad person.

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[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Nice edit. Also, there's no such thing as objective. What there are, however, are morals that just about most people can agree on. They include no slavery, not killing millions of people, not sending people to a place to suffer forever, and many immoral things, all of which your "god" has either done or approved of at some point or another. Crushmaster


No such thing as "objective" anything, or just objective morality?

What makes man worthy of judging the morality of anything?

Also, a few quick points.,.

(1) Slavery in the Bible was more of a social status than, e.g., "You're black, you're less of a person, thus you're only good for being a slave."

Two articles on the subject (both reasonably short, don't worry)...

Christian Apologetics Research Ministry

GotQuestions

(2) Yes, the Israelites killed many people. But check this out (this one is a bit long, but you should be able to see my side just from skimming)...

Christian Apologetics Research Ministry

Especially note the heading entitled, "A Discernable Pattern." These people we're not "just being killed"; it was much more than that. These people were committing acts we would both consider evil.

Finally: Hell is not immoral if you see a miniscule glimpse of how evil man is, and how holy God is. I encourage you to take a look at this - a little "blog" (just a temporary Website) I have, addressing the question of, "Are you righteous?"
God bless,
Crushmaster.

Mhm, I don't think we've met yet. Hi, I'm your everyday militant atheist here. How are you doing?
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There seem to be a lot of different ideas about what makes someone a "good person." Sometimes I'm intrigued by people's judgments of others, and sometimes I'm very confused and disturbed by them. I've heard people refer to someone as a good person for some pretty petty reasons, while ignoring massive infractions.

My idea of what makes someone a "good person" has to do with a couple of factors. To me, integrity is always first and foremost. A person is only as good as their word. If someone constantly breaks promises, violates commitments, cheats on their significant other, steals, etc.. They have shown themselves to be untrustworthy. I don't see how someone can be a good person without a track record of integrity. This also includes commitment to a moral code of conduct in my book. For example, a person who says that they are a Christian but sleeps around really doesn't have much integrity, since they're not being honest with themselves.

The 2nd main factor that I feel makes someone a good person is their kindness and charity. Everybody loses their cool and says some mean things from time to time.. but I feel that those for whom this isn't the norm are "good people." People who try their best to be understanding and unselfish qualify as kind. Charity is important too, because that's a very real form of pure giving and unselfishness.

For those of us who are Christian, there is a scriptural basis for the idea to avoid labeling people as "good people" or "bad people" altogether. However, I think that if we're all honest with ourselves, we do it to an extent.

What makes a "good" or "bad" person in your book?

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Honesty, loyalty, trustworthy, friendly all of the ly's ( well the good ones )
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Putting other people before themselves would put a person on that side of the equation generally however exactly where they'd appear on the scale with any particular set of actions is hard to say.
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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Nice edit. Also, there's no such thing as objective. What there are, however, are morals that just about most people can agree on. They include no slavery, not killing millions of people, not sending people to a place to suffer forever, and many immoral things, all of which your "god" has either done or approved of at some point or another. l4dak47


No such thing as "objective" anything, or just objective morality?

What makes man worthy of judging the morality of anything?

Also, a few quick points.,.

(1) Slavery in the Bible was more of a social status than, e.g., "You're black, you're less of a person, thus you're only good for being a slave."

Two articles on the subject (both reasonably short, don't worry)...

Christian Apologetics Research Ministry

GotQuestions

(2) Yes, the Israelites killed many people. But check this out (this one is a bit long, but you should be able to see my side just from skimming)...

Christian Apologetics Research Ministry

Especially note the heading entitled, "A Discernable Pattern." These people we're not "just being killed"; it was much more than that. These people were committing acts we would both consider evil.

Finally: Hell is not immoral if you see a miniscule glimpse of how evil man is, and how holy God is. I encourage you to take a look at this - a little "blog" (just a temporary Website) I have, addressing the question of, "Are you righteous?"
God bless,
Crushmaster.

Mhm, I don't think we've met yet. Hi, I'm your everyday militant atheist here. How are you doing?

he's being kind, no need to be condescending towards him bro
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[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
No such thing as "objective" anything, or just objective morality?

What makes man worthy of judging the morality of anything?

Also, a few quick points.,.

(1) Slavery in the Bible was more of a social status than, e.g., "You're black, you're less of a person, thus you're only good for being a slave."

Two articles on the subject (both reasonably short, don't worry)...

Christian Apologetics Research Ministry

GotQuestions

(2) Yes, the Israelites killed many people. But check this out (this one is a bit long, but you should be able to see my side just from skimming)...

Christian Apologetics Research Ministry

Especially note the heading entitled, "A Discernable Pattern." These people we're not "just being killed"; it was much more than that. These people were committing acts we would both consider evil.

Finally: Hell is not immoral if you see a miniscule glimpse of how evil man is, and how holy God is. I encourage you to take a look at this - a little "blog" (just a temporary Website) I have, addressing the question of, "Are you righteous?"
God bless,
Crushmaster.kingkong0124
Mhm, I don't think we've met yet. Hi, I'm your everyday militant atheist here. How are you doing?

he's being kind, no need to be condescending towards him bro

Hi, I'm your everyday militant atheist here.

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[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

"Good" as pertains to the secular world is meaningless and generally boils down to "what benefits me."

There is only one force that has the authority to define what is universally "good" and that's God.

l4dak47
the Christian god? Cuz if so, then, holy sh*t, you picked a really bad guy to follow.

Why?
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You win.

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TC you're Christian but you forgot Jesus said only father is good.
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[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

"Good" as pertains to the secular world is meaningless and generally boils down to "what benefits me."

There is only one force that has the authority to define what is universally "good" and that's God.

maheo30
the Christian god? Cuz if so, then, holy sh*t, you picked a really bad guy to follow.

Why?

because it's about religion >_>
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TC you're Christian but you forgot Jesus said only father is good.Zensword

You shouldn't take things so literally. Also, look at the last few sentences of my OP.

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[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

"Good" as pertains to the secular world is meaningless and generally boils down to "what benefits me."

There is only one force that has the authority to define what is universally "good" and that's God.

maheo30
the Christian god? Cuz if so, then, holy sh*t, you picked a really bad guy to follow.

Why?

Have you see the stuff he's done to his own people? Not a very nice person.
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[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="maheo30"][QUOTE="l4dak47"] the Christian god? Cuz if so, then, holy sh*t, you picked a really bad guy to follow.

Why?

Have you see the stuff he's done to his own people? Not a very nice person.

Who do you define as "his own people"?
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="maheo30"] Why?

Have you see the stuff he's done to his own people? Not a very nice person.

Who do you define as "his own people"?

Everybody.
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#98 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="l4dak47"] Have you see the stuff he's done to his own people? Not a very nice person.

Who do you define as "his own people"?

Everybody.

I am inclined to disagree. I say this in part because of such statements John 10:27-30, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one."
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] Who do you define as "his own people"?

Everybody.

I am inclined to disagree. I say this in part because of such statements John 10:27-30, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one."

I thought he loved everybody? Also, even his sheep (lol) still get treated like crap. The only difference is that they think it's all part of a divine plan while the rest of us are not that delusional.
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#100 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="l4dak47"] Everybody.

I am inclined to disagree. I say this in part because of such statements John 10:27-30, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one."

I thought he loved everybody? Also, even his sheep (lol) still get treated like crap. The only difference is that they think it's all part of a divine plan while the rest of us are not that delusional.

The nature in which God loves those who are not his children is debated among Christians. It's also rather complicated in that he has every right to hate all of us but gives undeserved grace too all (though in different forms). He hates the sinner but he also provides a way of redemption for the sinner. We who have in essence waged war against God can become a child of God. As far as his "sheep" being treated like crap, in no way have I believed God to respond to me in that way. That is, if it is true that I am actually delusional in my belief that God has been good to me then I am truly pitiful. God has been incredibly good, kind, and faithful to me, and I cannot help but declare his graciousness upon me.