What Religion/Belief Do You Fit In?

its funny (like wierd, not haha), but ive been praying to god to show me that he's real for some time now, and nothing. nothing is happening. why is god hiding from me?mig_killer2

God is not required to answer every single prayer, you know.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]its funny (like wierd, not haha), but ive been praying to god to show me that he's real for some time now, and nothing. nothing is happening. why is god hiding from me?LJS9502_basic

Uh...that's not how it works. First, you have to have faith...

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[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]its funny (like wierd, not haha), but ive been praying to god to show me that he's real for some time now, and nothing. nothing is happening. why is god hiding from me?mig_killer2

Uh...that's not how it works. First, you have to have faith...

He's not hiding...you just don't notice.

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[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]its funny (like wierd, not haha), but ive been praying to god to show me that he's real for some time now, and nothing. nothing is happening. why is god hiding from me?LJS9502_basic

Uh...that's not how it works. First, you have to have faith...

He's not hiding...you just don't notice.

Yes, but existentialists usually have a pessimistic view of the world and with actual experience of the world as they see it. Does not however make them more sadistic than nihilism which in the process of becoming Nihilist they really had to be in a deep rebellious attitude to be in that certain situation unless they displayed a lack of consistent discipline and affection because of their parents did not give them a functional home with behavioral boundaries which can lead to Antisocial personality disorder. To be honest, I wished I took more courses to find out.greenprince

Not as far as I know... but myself, as well as others, have questioned my sanity before, so who knows :|. Anyways, I said on the simplest level I'm a Nihilist... my views are much more complex than I care to explain at the moment, but for the sake of classification, Nihilism is close enough. Thanx for t3h obvious concern, though. :wink:

DFan17902

im just curious (sorry for the possible offensive nature of this question), but for atheists who were once religious, did you become an atheist cuz you really thought in your heart there really was no God, or did you do it because you didn't like the rules imposed on you by the church?mig_killer2

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[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]its funny (like wierd, not haha), but ive been praying to god to show me that he's real for some time now, and nothing. nothing is happening. why is god hiding from me?LJS9502_basic

Uh...that's not how it works. First, you have to have faith...

He's not hiding...you just don't notice.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]its funny (like wierd, not haha), but ive been praying to god to show me that he's real for some time now, and nothing. nothing is happening. why is god hiding from me?mig_killer2

Uh...that's not how it works. First, you have to have faith...

He's not hiding...you just don't notice.

You know Faith isn't something you can just flick on, so according to LJS9502_basic, you'll probably go on without the feeling that there is a God until perhaps something momentus happens. espoac

According to me? Don't speak for me....at the current time mig is confused. He neithers embraces nor avoids religion. He's in a questioning state. Nothing wrong with that. And I don't believe he's been abandoned like he thinks either. God doesn't always respond in a way that makes it clear He's involved. But a response is there......

You know Faith isn't something you can just flick on, so according to LJS9502_basic, you'll probably go on without the feeling that there is a God until perhaps something momentus happens. espoac

Perhaps, but as a former Atheist myself, I have to dispute your "Faith isn't something you flick on" point. While it isn't as simple as that, I don't think faith is all that difficult to come upon either.

Or mig isn't looking.CptJSparrow

True.... He seems conflicted.

[QUOTE="espoac"] You know Faith isn't something you can just flick on, so according to LJS9502_basic, you'll probably go on without the feeling that there is a God until perhaps something momentus happens. LJS9502_basic

According to me? Don't speak for me....at the current time mig is confused. He neithers embraces nor avoids religion. He's in a questioning state. Nothing wrong with that. And I don't believe he's been abandoned like he thinks either. God doesn't always respond in a way that makes it clear He's involved. But a response is there......

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[QUOTE="espoac"] You know Faith isn't something you can just flick on, so according to LJS9502_basic, you'll probably go on without the feeling that there is a God until perhaps something momentus happens. espoac

According to me? Don't speak for me....at the current time mig is confused. He neithers embraces nor avoids religion. He's in a questioning state. Nothing wrong with that. And I don't believe he's been abandoned like he thinks either. God doesn't always respond in a way that makes it clear He's involved. But a response is there......

Faith is a tricky thing. Without it God could walk right up to you and you wouldn't notice. With faith...He doesn't need do so but you believe. If that makes sense. But I wasn't implying anything about migs feelings or that something momentus need happen. Some develop faith with no cataclysmic event in their life...and others turn away with such an event.

[QUOTE="espoac"] You know Faith isn't something you can just flick on, so according to LJS9502_basic, you'll probably go on without the feeling that there is a God until perhaps something momentus happens. Silver_Dragon17

Perhaps, but as a former Atheist myself, I have to dispute your "Faith isn't something you flick on" point. While it isn't as simple as that, I don't think faith is all that difficult to come upon either.

[QUOTE="espoac"] You know Faith isn't something you can just flick on, so according to LJS9502_basic, you'll probably go on without the feeling that there is a God until perhaps something momentus happens. Silver_Dragon17

Perhaps, but as a former Atheist myself, I have to dispute your "Faith isn't something you flick on" point. While it isn't as simple as that, I don't think faith is all that difficult to come upon either.

Well I think it depends a lot on what kind of Atheist you were before. I believe the majority of people who are Christians converted from Atheism gained faith through some sort of pivotal event, be it a tragedy like a death or personally coming close to death or something more pleasant like havig a child. By different kinds of Atheist I mean there's the sort who arrived at the position of Atheism through serious questioning and deep thought (like myself) and those who do it just to not conform or justify an immoral lifestyle(being a high school student myself I see so may of these sort of Atheists). The latter sort I believe is much more likely to become a Theist at some point down the road. Mig Killer seems to me to be on the road to becoming the first kind Atheist I described. He's seriously questioning his beliefs and religion or at least it seems like he is from his forum posts.espoac

Just to let you know the other side of the equation.....Christians/religious question faith as well....they just come to a different conclusion than atheists.;)

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[QUOTE="espoac"] You know Faith isn't something you can just flick on, so according to LJS9502_basic, you'll probably go on without the feeling that there is a God until perhaps something momentus happens. espoac

Perhaps, but as a former Atheist myself, I have to dispute your "Faith isn't something you flick on" point. While it isn't as simple as that, I don't think faith is all that difficult to come upon either.

So, you're saying that Atheists that look for some justification for immoral deeds are more likely to become theists?

Let me ask you: Do you believe in a definite morality? In right and wrong?

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[QUOTE="espoac"] You know Faith isn't something you can just flick on, so according to LJS9502_basic, you'll probably go on without the feeling that there is a God until perhaps something momentus happens. mig_killer2

Perhaps, but as a former Atheist myself, I have to dispute your "Faith isn't something you flick on" point. While it isn't as simple as that, I don't think faith is all that difficult to come upon either.

Yes. In fact, I was quite the prick to theists.

Let me ask you: Do you believe in a definite morality? In right and wrong?

Silver_Dragon17

[QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="espoac"] You know Faith isn't something you can just flick on, so according to LJS9502_basic, you'll probably go on without the feeling that there is a God until perhaps something momentus happens. Silver_Dragon17

Perhaps, but as a former Atheist myself, I have to dispute your "Faith isn't something you flick on" point. While it isn't as simple as that, I don't think faith is all that difficult to come upon either.

So, you're saying that Atheists that look for some justification for immoral deeds are more likely to become theists?

Let me ask you: Do you believe in a definite morality? In right and wrong?

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="espoac"] You know Faith isn't something you can just flick on, so according to LJS9502_basic, you'll probably go on without the feeling that there is a God until perhaps something momentus happens. espoac

Perhaps, but as a former Atheist myself, I have to dispute your "Faith isn't something you flick on" point. While it isn't as simple as that, I don't think faith is all that difficult to come upon either.

So, you're saying that Atheists that look for some justification for immoral deeds are more likely to become theists?

Let me ask you: Do you believe in a definite morality? In right and wrong?

Yes I do. I am not a nihilist.espoac

So does religion.

See, there are rules against immorality in most (if not all) religions. If somebody goes against these rules frequently, they are in effect not following that religion. If they say "God wills it!" but their religion actually goes against it, then "God wills it!" Would mean "I will it!"

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"]its funny (like wierd, not haha), but ive been praying to god to show me that he's real for some time now, and nothing. nothing is happening. why is god hiding from me?espoac

Uh...that's not how it works. First, you have to have faith...

He's not hiding...you just don't notice.

But random chance (momentus moments) always happen in everyone's life. Since when does random chance have to contributed to God?

It's like 100 bad things happen in one's life, and then one good thing happens. Does that man he should attribute it to God? Come on...

God = comfort. That's all.

So Silver-Dragon, you were once an atheist? How did you suddenly go from a believer of evolution to a disbeliever in evolution? (I'm not generalizing, from his previous debates he specifically outlines that evolution is fake).

You always mention today's Christian Scientists.

Ok, name a current Christian Scientist that is known in the Scientific Community, and make sure you outline his beliefs.

Let's start with:

Francis Collins: theist evolutionist Christian (leads Human Genome Project). Believes God never interfered with Universe after He created it because there was no need to. When asked why he is a Christian he answers because the Bible gives him spirituality and morality. Meaning he doesn't believe it's true, it's just something that comforts him.

I do not know a current Christian Scientist well known/accepted in the Scientific Community that believes evolution is fake.

[QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="espoac"] You know Faith isn't something you can just flick on, so according to LJS9502_basic, you'll probably go on without the feeling that there is a God until perhaps something momentus happens. CptJSparrow

Perhaps, but as a former Atheist myself, I have to dispute your "Faith isn't something you flick on" point. While it isn't as simple as that, I don't think faith is all that difficult to come upon either.

So, you're saying that Atheists that look for some justification for immoral deeds are more likely to become theists?

Let me ask you: Do you believe in a definite morality? In right and wrong?

Really? Wikipedia says something about Nihilism saying that secular ethics are impossible which is a concept I thought would pertain the most to this question. Maybe I misunderstood what Silver Dragon meant by definite? Anyways I don't really want to debate definitions of abstract philosophical concepts, so thanks for the correction.espoac

[QUOTE="espoac"]Yes I do. I am not a nihilist.Silver_Dragon17

So does religion.

See, there are rules against immorality in most (if not all) religions. If somebody goes against these rules frequently, they are in effect not following that religion. If they say "God wills it!" but their religion actually goes against it, then "God wills it!" Would mean "I will it!"

But random chance (momentus moments) always happen in everyone's life. Since when does random chance have to contributed to God?

It's like 100 bad things happen in one's life, and then one good thing happens. Does that man he should attribute it to God? Come on...

God = comfort. That's all.

So Silver-Dragon, you were once an atheist? How did you suddenly go from a believer of evolution to a disbeliever in evolution? (I'm not generalizing, from his previous debates he specifically outlines that evolution is fake).

ab1205

Yes, I'm quite comfortable with the knowledge that I'll likely be beheaded in my life.:|

What are you talking about? Being an Atheist doesn't automatically = believing in evolution.:|

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But random chance (momentus moments) always happen in everyone's life. Since when does random chance have to contributed to God?

It's like 100 bad things happen in one's life, and then one good thing happens. Does that man he should attribute it to God? Come on...

God = comfort. That's all.

So Silver-Dragon, you were once an atheist? How did you suddenly go from a believer of evolution to a disbeliever in evolution? (I'm not generalizing, from his previous debates he specifically outlines that evolution is fake).

Silver_Dragon17

Yes, I'm quite comfortable with the knowledge that I'll likely be beheaded in my life.:|

What are you talking about? Being an Atheist doesn't automatically = believing in evolution.:|

But an atheist has disbelief in God. And if an atheist doesn't believe in evolution, then creationism intends that there is a "creator". Doesn't make sense.

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[QUOTE="espoac"]Yes I do. I am not a nihilist.espoac

So does religion.

See, there are rules against immorality in most (if not all) religions. If somebody goes against these rules frequently, they are in effect not following that religion. If they say "God wills it!" but their religion actually goes against it, then "God wills it!" Would mean "I will it!"

You said that an Atheist who is looking for justification for immoral deeds is more likely to become a theist. This in turn implies that you believe that religion is immoral, at least partly.

I used to practice Catholocism for a bit, but then everything just started appearing a bit to phony and WAAAAY TOOO controlling. It's all religion is IMO, a method of controlling the masses. I believe in the entity we/you/they call GOD, I just feel as tho I do not need to join a sect/cult/club/religion to acknowledge him and what/whoever he throws in our way as human beings.

[QUOTE="ab1205"]

But random chance (momentus moments) always happen in everyone's life. Since when does random chance have to contributed to God?

It's like 100 bad things happen in one's life, and then one good thing happens. Does that man he should attribute it to God? Come on...

God = comfort. That's all.

So Silver-Dragon, you were once an atheist? How did you suddenly go from a believer of evolution to a disbeliever in evolution? (I'm not generalizing, from his previous debates he specifically outlines that evolution is fake).

Silver_Dragon17

Yes, I'm quite comfortable with the knowledge that I'll likely be beheaded in my life.:|

What are you talking about? Being an Atheist doesn't automatically = believing in evolution.:|

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="ab1205"]

But random chance (momentus moments) always happen in everyone's life. Since when does random chance have to contributed to God?

It's like 100 bad things happen in one's life, and then one good thing happens. Does that man he should attribute it to God? Come on...

God = comfort. That's all.

So Silver-Dragon, you were once an atheist? How did you suddenly go from a believer of evolution to a disbeliever in evolution? (I'm not generalizing, from his previous debates he specifically outlines that evolution is fake).

ab1205

Yes, I'm quite comfortable with the knowledge that I'll likely be beheaded in my life.:|

What are you talking about? Being an Atheist doesn't automatically = believing in evolution.:|

But an atheist has disbelief in God. And if an atheist doesn't believe in evolution, then creationism intends that there is a "creator". Doesn't make sense.

There are very few, but I've seen non-creationists who were against evolution. Likethis guy, for example.

http://godandscience.org/evolution/locke.html

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="ab1205"]

But random chance (momentus moments) always happen in everyone's life. Since when does random chance have to contributed to God?

It's like 100 bad things happen in one's life, and then one good thing happens. Does that man he should attribute it to God? Come on...

God = comfort. That's all.

So Silver-Dragon, you were once an atheist? How did you suddenly go from a believer of evolution to a disbeliever in evolution? (I'm not generalizing, from his previous debates he specifically outlines that evolution is fake).

mig_killer2

Yes, I'm quite comfortable with the knowledge that I'll likely be beheaded in my life.:|

What are you talking about? Being an Atheist doesn't automatically = believing in evolution.:|

You're right. But that's if history persists.;)

The point is that people don't just resort to God for comfort. . .in fact, God Himself said that Christians are in for a rough time.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="ab1205"]

But random chance (momentus moments) always happen in everyone's life. Since when does random chance have to contributed to God?

It's like 100 bad things happen in one's life, and then one good thing happens. Does that man he should attribute it to God? Come on...

God = comfort. That's all.

So Silver-Dragon, you were once an atheist? How did you suddenly go from a believer of evolution to a disbeliever in evolution? (I'm not generalizing, from his previous debates he specifically outlines that evolution is fake).

Silver_Dragon17

Yes, I'm quite comfortable with the knowledge that I'll likely be beheaded in my life.:|

What are you talking about? Being an Atheist doesn't automatically = believing in evolution.:|

You're right. But that's if history persists.;)

The point is that people don't just resort to God for comfort. . .in fact, God Himself said that Christians are in for a rough time.

I personaly belive in the Flying Spagitti Monster.

Praise Spaggitis!

I personaly belive in the Flying Spagitti Monster.

Praise Spaggitis!

tman93

I think saint paul said that in the first century, and at the time, christians were in for a hell of a ****ty time cuz Caesar wanted people to worship him as a God, but now, That simply is not true except for in a few countries populated by fanatics. Here in the US, its practically a safe haven for anyonemig_killer2

I don't think that's true.

Yes, things are MUCH better now than before. I never said anything to the contrary. However, there is a lot of anti-religious attitude going on, especially in the UK and in some parts of the States. I have also been venomously attacked by Atheists after I converted.

[QUOTE="tman93"]

I personaly belive in the Flying Spagitti Monster.

Praise Spaggitis!

mig_killer2

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"] I think saint paul said that in the first century, and at the time, christians were in for a hell of a ****ty time cuz Caesar wanted people to worship him as a God, but now, That simply is not true except for in a few countries populated by fanatics. Here in the US, its practically a safe haven for anyoneSilver_Dragon17

I don't think that's true.

Yes, things are MUCH better now than before. I never said anything to the contrary. However, there is a lot of anti-religious attitude going on, especially in the UK and in some parts of the States. I have also been venomously attacked by Atheists after I converted.

here in the US, even though there is a lot of anti-religious sentiment, freedom of religion is still very sacred, and 75% of the population is christian

[QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="espoac"]Yes I do. I am not a nihilist.Silver_Dragon17

So does religion.

See, there are rules against immorality in most (if not all) religions. If somebody goes against these rules frequently, they are in effect not following that religion. If they say "God wills it!" but their religion actually goes against it, then "God wills it!" Would mean "I will it!"

You said that an Atheist who is looking for justification for immoral deeds is more likely to become a theist. This in turn implies that you believe that religion is immoral, at least partly.

but paul (or was it john?) says that the antichrist will be from Rome.

here in the US, even though there is a lot of anti-religious sentiment, freedom of religion is still very sacred, and 75% of the population is christian

mig_killer2

I think it was John. . .but nothing about the Antichrist out of Rome. The Bible is not specific about where the Antichrist will come from, though it's accepted that he will probably come out of Europe.

I agree. Though, I saw on the news a few weeks ago about a Girl who thanked Christ in her graduation speech, and had her diploma withheld for it. Another one where a child tried to pray in class, and was suspended.

I meant that there are people who become Atheists because they want justification for immoral deeds, not that they become Theists looking for that justification. Sorry if that was not clear. Anyways you can see how than sort of Atheist doesn't really have a strong position and his reason for being a non-believer can easily be picked aprt by Theists, therefeor he's much more likely to eventually become a Theist.espoac

Oh. I must have misread your statement.:oops: But I agree with everything else.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"] but paul (or was it john?) says that the antichrist will be from Rome.

here in the US, even though there is a lot of anti-religious sentiment, freedom of religion is still very sacred, and 75% of the population is christian

Silver_Dragon17

I think it was John. . .but nothing about the Antichrist out of Rome. The Bible is not specific about where the Antichrist will come from, though it's accepted that he will probably come out of Europe.

I agree. Though, I saw on the news a few weeks ago about a Girl who thanked Christ in her graduation speech, and had her diploma withheld for it. Another one where a child tried to pray in class, and was suspended.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"] but paul (or was it john?) says that the antichrist will be from Rome.

here in the US, even though there is a lot of anti-religious sentiment, freedom of religion is still very sacred, and 75% of the population is christian

mig_killer2

I think it was John. . .but nothing about the Antichrist out of Rome. The Bible is not specific about where the Antichrist will come from, though it's accepted that he will probably come out of Europe.

I agree. Though, I saw on the news a few weeks ago about a Girl who thanked Christ in her graduation speech, and had her diploma withheld for it. Another one where a child tried to pray in class, and was suspended.

Hmm. I'm not aware of that part.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"] but paul (or was it john?) says that the antichrist will be from Rome.

here in the US, even though there is a lot of anti-religious sentiment, freedom of religion is still very sacred, and 75% of the population is christian

Silver_Dragon17

I think it was John. . .but nothing about the Antichrist out of Rome. The Bible is not specific about where the Antichrist will come from, though it's accepted that he will probably come out of Europe.

I agree. Though, I saw on the news a few weeks ago about a Girl who thanked Christ in her graduation speech, and had her diploma withheld for it. Another one where a child tried to pray in class, and was suspended.

Hmm. I'm not aware of that part.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"] but paul (or was it john?) says that the antichrist will be from Rome.

here in the US, even though there is a lot of anti-religious sentiment, freedom of religion is still very sacred, and 75% of the population is christian

mig_killer2

I think it was John. . .but nothing about the Antichrist out of Rome. The Bible is not specific about where the Antichrist will come from, though it's accepted that he will probably come out of Europe.

I agree. Though, I saw on the news a few weeks ago about a Girl who thanked Christ in her graduation speech, and had her diploma withheld for it. Another one where a child tried to pray in class, and was suspended.

Ruling out of a city could mean that his power is consolidated there not that he nececearily comes from there.

revelations 17:9 This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. The woman is supposed to be the great whore of babylon. back about 3 or 4 years ago, I was pretty deep into the end times prophecymig_killer2

Interesting. I was also greatly into Revelation, especially after reading Left Behind. But I was not aware of this verse. It could be metaphorical for something, as Revelation is the most metaphorical book in the Bible. That doesn't mean it's not literal, but it doesn't mean it's exactly like that either.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="tman93"]

I personaly belive in the Flying Spagitti Monster.

Praise Spaggitis!

tman93