What should we do about overcrowded prisons???

According to Forbes some of the 10 most dangerous countries around the world are Somalia, Iraq, Russia, etc. Not for nothing but how about the U.S? More than a million guns are own by citizens all over the U.S. We have the most number of people behind bar at over 2 million and rising. 7 million people are either in jail, on probation, or parole. blacks and hispanics account for 75% of the prison population. What the hell should we do about prisons being overcrowded and prisoners literally getting released from prison because of this? this is a quote from wiki. "They do this by placing hundreds of bunk beds next to one another, in these gyms, without any type of barriers to keep inmates separated. In California, the inadequate security engendered by this situation, coupled with insufficient staffing levels, have led to increased violence and a prison health system that causes one death a week. This situation has led the courts to order California to release of 27% of the current prison population, citing the Eighth Amendment's prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment.[42] The three-judge court considering requests by the Plata v. Schwarzenegger and Coleman v. Schwarzenegger courts found California's prisons have become criminogenic as a result of overcrowding."

Start doing firing lines twice a day. That will clear some room. :P

blacks and hispanics account for 75% of the prison population. LegitGamer3212

Point?

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blacks and hispanics account for 75% of the prison population. Silverbond

Point?

well what should we do about this????? there's a disproportionate number of people being locked up in terms of race.

Sounds fine to me. Many of the people going to prison dont really deserve to be in there. I find the claim that prison is an effective form of rehabilitation as rather suspect. Besides, as a % of our population, the US has one of the highest incarceration rates.

we can release some of them, but "some" people will cry how a pedophile or an ex murderer is now living next to them, silly people.

[QUOTE="LegitGamer3212"]

blacks and hispanics account for 75% of the prison population. Silverbond

Point?

I'm sure most prisoners like being up close and personal with other men.

In the short term, I guess you just gotta build more prisons. Raise taxes.

1. decriminalize and legalize certain drugs (another debate for another topic)rawsavon

I especially like this one.

Decriminalize drugs. You'd see a dramatic drop in the prison population then.

Stop locking up non-violent drug offenders who would be in rehab instead of prison if they were rich.

Execute everyone serving a life sentence.....AdamPA1006

What if they're innocent?

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]Execute everyone serving a life sentence.....worlock77

What if they're innocent?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]Execute everyone serving a life sentence.....GazaAli

What if they're innocent?

Seriously?

Decriminalize drugs. You'd see a dramatic drop in the prison population then.

worlock77

To my thinking, this would reduce a great deal of crime, not simply because people will be doing the same things can not getting charged, but because criminal enterprises associated with drugs will dissolve. Huge rackets exist because of the drug trade. If someone can grow pot or snort cocaine legally, then these rackets no longer have a reson to exist, because people can call the police if threatened with violence over their drugs.

See, there you go; no sarcasm there.

Decriminalize drugs. You'd see a dramatic drop in the prison population then.

worlock77

Exactly. Something like 70% of the people in prisons are there for non-violent drug offenses. Murderers, rapists, child molesters, etc account for a tiny percentage of the prison population.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

What if they're innocent?

worlock77

Seriously?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Decriminalize drugs. You'd see a dramatic drop in the prison population then.

cmdrmonkey45

Exactly. Something like 70% of the people in prisons are there for non-violent drug offenses. Murderers, rapists, child molesters, etc account for a tiny percentage of the prison population.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Decriminalize drugs. You'd see a dramatic drop in the prison population then.

Palantas

To my thinking, this would reduce a great deal of crime, not simply because people will be doing the same things can not getting charged, but because criminal enterprises associated with drugs will dissolve. Huge rackets exist because of the drug trade. If someone can grow pot or snort cocaine legally, then these rackets no longer have a reson to exist, because people can call the police if threatened with violence over their drugs.

See, there you go; no sarcasm there.

Yeah, people don't seem to get that criminalizing a substance only puts control of it into the hands of criminals.

I knew you had it in you. :P

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Decriminalize drugs. You'd see a dramatic drop in the prison population then.

Palantas

To my thinking, this would reduce a great deal of crime, not simply because people will be doing the same things can not getting charged, but because criminal enterprises associated with drugs will dissolve. Huge rackets exist because of the drug trade. If someone can grow pot or snort cocaine legally, then these rackets no longer have a reson to exist, because people can call the police if threatened with violence over their drugs.

See, there you go; no sarcasm there.

The problem is that the prison industrial complex would never allow this to happen. Most of the prisons in this country are run by corporations, and there's too much money to be made in locking up drug offenders. If you thinned the prison population out by 70%, the government would just be locking up real criminals and would have no reason to subcontract out to these companies.

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"] nothing of value would have been lostGazaAli

Seriously?

Hard to know sometime. I have seen a lot of people who would dead-seriously think that.

I actually viewed the source of the issue as high incarceration rates - not the inability to retain all those we incarcerate. Are you of the opinion that we should retain our current incarceration rates?mattbbpl

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[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]Execute everyone serving a life sentence.....GazaAli

What if they're innocent?

Even if true, most people find value in human life just for its own sake. We don't eliminate the mentally handicapped, even though they're not particularly useful.

EDIT: And I see you said you were joking. Never mind, I guess.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]I actually viewed the source of the issue as high incarceration rates - not the inability to retain all those we incarcerate. Are you of the opinion that we should retain our current incarceration rates?foxhound_fox

Yeah, people don't seem to get that criminalizing a substance only puts control of it into the hands of criminals.

worlock77

Ray Liotta said it best...

All they got from Paulie was protection from the guys trying to rip them off. That's what it's all about. That's what the FBI could never understand. What Paulie and the organization does is protect people who can't go to the cops. That's it. They're like the police department for wiseguys.

Goodfellas

Damn OP you seriously hate black people don't you? I'm starting to notice that whenever there's a thinly veiled thread dealing with how much of a burden blacks are on US society, you're the OP. Just come out and say it; I HATE *******! It will feel better I promise!F1_2004

Wow man your topics really trigger something deep inside meGazaAli

Make drugs and prostitution legal... very easy...

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Wow man your topics really trigger something deep inside memegagene

Wow, that's insane. I didn't realize Canada had a prison capacity problem.

mattbbpl

[QUOTE="LegitGamer3212"]

blacks and hispanics account for 75% of the prison population. Silverbond

Point?

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]Damn OP you seriously hate black people don't you? I'm starting to notice that whenever there's a thinly veiled thread dealing with how much of a burden blacks are on US society, you're the OP. Just come out and say it; I HATE *******! It will feel better I promise!SapSacPrime

I'd say it speaks more about the unevenness of the US legal system than it does about race. Blacks busted for drugs get prison. Whites busted for drugs get rehab.

Well, for one we need to fix the education system at a lower age. The statistics are on the side of the educated: not as many of them go to jail. To be brutally honest, if we're going to throw money down the drain, I'd much rather that money go to keeping kids in good schools as opposed to paying for their room and board in the pen.

Second, we need to legalize marijuana, or at least decriminalize it. It's really the only sensible thing to do at this point.

[QUOTE="SapSacPrime"][QUOTE="F1_2004"]Damn OP you seriously hate black people don't you? I'm starting to notice that whenever there's a thinly veiled thread dealing with how much of a burden blacks are on US society, you're the OP. Just come out and say it; I HATE *******! It will feel better I promise!worlock77

I'd say it speaks more about the unevenness of the US legal system than it does about race. Blacks busted for drugs get prison. Whites busted for drugs get rehab.

How about we fix our society so that a huge portion of our population does not feel as though that have to participate in illegal activities to make a decent living.

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[QUOTE="SapSacPrime"] All he did was quote facts and your post attacks him because those facts speak badly for two races, why should we live in a world were we can't point out facts like this in the name of political correctness? and you probably shouldn't bait a modable response...SkyWard20

I'd say it speaks more about the unevenness of the US legal system than it does about race. Blacks busted for drugs get prison. Whites busted for drugs get rehab.

Then why does crack cocaine (more likely to be used by blacks) carry harsher penalties than power cocaine (more likely to be used by whites)?