What would America be like if there never was slavery?

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i kid i kid

there'd be fewer black people for starters, and whatever blacks there would be here would be immigrants and treated as second class people like they are in France.

Seriously...only homeless people I saw were black in France, I didnt see one walking to work or anything

mrbojangles25

When you say treated like second class people in France, do you mean back then or now?

America would be super poor. Farming in the south would have been nearly impossible.

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there'd be fewer black people for starters, and whatever blacks there would be here would be immigrants and treated as second class people like they are in France.

Seriously...only homeless people I saw were black in France, I didnt see one walking to work or anything

shutdown_202

When you say treated like second class people in France, do you mean back then or now?

think like mexicans in america now

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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

there'd be fewer black people for starters, and whatever blacks there would be here would be immigrants and treated as second class people like they are in France.

Seriously...only homeless people I saw were black in France, I didnt see one walking to work or anything

links136

When you say treated like second class people in France, do you mean back then or now?

think like mexicans in america now

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[QUOTE="shutdown_202"]

When you say treated like second class people in France, do you mean back then or now?

gamerguru100

think like mexicans in america now

No, Many americans probably dislike the illegal immigrant Mexicans...

To be perfectly honest, and as ironic as it sounds, if slavery never existed in America, we probably wouldn't be a free country today. Our economy was pretty much dependent on slavery for the first century of our existence. Without it, I would tend to think that we would have probably been overrun by one of the other imperial powers of the day. Probaby England.

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think like mexicans in america now

Xx_Hopeless_xX

No, Many americans probably dislike the illegal immigrant Mexicans...

To be perfectly honest, and as ironic as it sounds, if slavery never existed in America, we probably wouldn't be a free country today. Our economy was pretty much dependent on slavery for the first century of our existence. Without it, I would tend to think that we would have probably been overrun by one of the other imperial powers of the day. Probaby England.

tycoonmike

Even if slavery happened, if the Government did a better job protecting blacks in the post-slavery period, and didn't pass laws making it very rough to live as a colored person(especially in the south), there would be much less problems now.

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]

To be perfectly honest, and as ironic as it sounds, if slavery never existed in America, we probably wouldn't be a free country today. Our economy was pretty much dependent on slavery for the first century of our existence. Without it, I would tend to think that we would have probably been overrun by one of the other imperial powers of the day. Probaby England.

rawsavon

Which in and of itself would be slavery. I fail to see your point.

Even if slavery happened, if the Government did a better job protecting blacks in the post-slavery period, and didn't pass laws making it very rough to live as a colored person(especially in the south), there would be much less problems now.

taj7575

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"]

To be perfectly honest, and as ironic as it sounds, if slavery never existed in America, we probably wouldn't be a free country today. Our economy was pretty much dependent on slavery for the first century of our existence. Without it, I would tend to think that we would have probably been overrun by one of the other imperial powers of the day. Probaby England.

tycoonmike

Which in and of itself would be slavery. I fail to see your point.

Race probably wouldn't be the ubiquitous issue that it is in American culture today.Ontain

the south would be more advanced for one.weezyfb

We would not have gettos

POPEYE1716

We wouldn't have as many black people.

Not sure if America would be too different, as we get tons of immirants already. However, Western Africa would probably be a much better place. We utterly destroyed communities there for centuries.Engrish_Major

Just less Black people I guess

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]However, Western Africa would probably be a much better place. We utterly destroyed communities there for centuries.collegeboy64

How do you figure this? The vast majority of slaves taken from Africa by Europeans were already slaves of the tribe they were bought from.

I'm not justifying slavery or trying to diminish the evil of what was done, but all the colonial powers have been out of Africa for over 40 years. Shouldn't Africans take some responsibility for their condition now?

less crime less black people not as good football players and less drugs

The Country wouldn't have progressed as fast as it did considering you couldn't force people to work. You'd have to pay them, and the money wouldn't have been there.

less crime less black people not as good football players and less drugs

thedootmaster

still less crime if they were never slaves in the first place and just a normal worker. then they would live in the same kind of conditions as white people.

I'd get moderated if I stated my opinion.

I think America would be very different now though.

Everyone knows it was the Africans selling eachother (Into Slavery) to the Portugese right? The Portugese didn't rip them out of their homes like many think.

HEre's a Map:

http://www.maps.com/ref_map.aspx?pid=11318

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[QUOTE="rawsavon"] I just think they would have used a substitute method of forced labor...rawsavon

Which in and of itself would be slavery. I fail to see your point.

By that logic, everyone who doesn't own a company is a slave. The TC also gave the question, in the title, "What would America be like if there never was slavery?" so don't try to hide behind what they said. Forced labor is still slave labor because there is no other choice. Whether the slaves are conveniently all the same race or not, it is still slavery.

What would Eygt be like without slavey? Or Athens? Or Rome? Slavery is as old as civilzation. The entire world would be different if the practice never got started. I love how selective some people are with their history...

What would Eygt be like without slavey? Or Athens? Or Rome? Slavery is as old as civilzation. The entire world would be different if the practice never got started. I love how selective some people are with their history...

heysharpshooter

Yeah, Don't forgot the Whole Middle East. Slavery was very big in the Ottoman Empire, which was primarily Muslim.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"]

Which in and of itself would be slavery. I fail to see your point.

tycoonmike

By that logic, everyone who doesn't own a company is a slave. The TC also gave the question, in the title, "What would America be like if there never was slavery?" so don't try to hide behind what they said. Forced labor is still slave labor because there is no other choice. Whether the slaves are conveniently all the same race or not, it is still slavery.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

there'd be fewer black people for starters, and whatever blacks there would be here would be immigrants and treated as second class people like they are in France.

Seriously...only homeless people I saw were black in France, I didnt see one walking to work or anything

shutdown_202

When you say treated like second class people in France, do you mean back then or now?

now, or two years ago when i was there

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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

there'd be fewer black people for starters, and whatever blacks there would be here would be immigrants and treated as second class people like they are in France.

Seriously...only homeless people I saw were black in France, I didnt see one walking to work or anything

links136

When you say treated like second class people in France, do you mean back then or now?

think like mexicans in america now

no, from what I saw the blacks in France dont have it that good.

Hispanic immigrants have the same opportunities as born Americans provided they have citizenship.

In France, I did not see that same opportunity extended to blacks. Granted I was only there for two weeks, but I couldnt help but notice that every homeless person was black, ever person selling trinkets and crap was black, and I didnt see one black person working a legitimate job.

No "N" word. God it annoys me when people use the "N word" in every sentence.

They would not have had the Civil War.optiow

[QUOTE="optiow"]They would not have had the Civil War.rawsavon

If not for the slavery angle, they would have received internationl support... Britain wanted the cotton and tobacco from the South, and for a while feared that if the South lost, that trade in those crops would have declined sharply.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="optiow"]They would not have had the Civil War.heysharpshooter

If not for the slavery angle, they would have received internationl support... Britain wanted the cotton and tobacco from the South, and for a while feared that if the South lost, that trade in those crops would have declined sharply.

• Ok, a lot of prominent music said to be made by African Americans wouldn't have been made
• To the guy who said "We would have way more Eminems" maybe, due to the fact that there would still be poverty, poverty isn't exclusive to blacks and Hispanics, there are plenty of poor white people(even worser off than the blacks here) in my city, I'm black by the way. But also to take into account, hip-hop was an idea made in one to a few African American's head, the conditions of the 70s recession and then the Reagan era really inspired the whole hip-hop movement in NYC at the time, togetherness and ending violence was the point Africa Bambatta ended gangs and turned his life around on hip-hop
• Africa would still be no better, probably less messed up as it is now. Believe me, besides slavery, you hand many things going on in Africa and if the problem of slavery didn't exist, racism would still be around, the French and European desire to colonize really hurt Africa. And African kings who slaved their own people, gave them away for material proposed by slave owners
• Culture would be way different a lot of people born today wouldn't have been born
• There is a lot of blacks who mixed with Native Americans and other races, as well as whites during the slave period, so actually people like Martin Luther(who I'm sure had blood lines in more than African) may have never been born, since birth in my eyes is more than destiny, so a person would have been born anyway no matter the circumstance, no way. A lot of prominent blacks my have not every been born

No "N" word. God it annoys me when people use the "N word" in every sentence.

Gaming-Planet

Like if black people were never enslaved and brought to America... What do you think?CHOASXIII

They were originally indentured servants not slaves. If slavery had never come to be, America would have been a very different place. Without slavery, Lincoln could not have prevented Britain from entering the Civil War and the South may have won. Also the new country may have sided with Germany in WW1 and WW2 may not have happened.

America would never have become the super power it is today

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To be perfectly honest, and as ironic as it sounds, if slavery never existed in America, we probably wouldn't be a free country today. Our economy was pretty much dependent on slavery for the first century of our existence. Without it, I would tend to think that we would have probably been overrun by one of the other imperial powers of the day. Probaby England.

rawsavon

yes they may have, it would have probably just been indentured servants, but sadly slavery was one of the best things to happen to the world economy. Without it the world may be a very different place today. Lets not forget that has it not been for slavery that most of the world back then would have been extremely poor. The problem is that the us had more of an agricultural slavery as apposed to the african house servants (slaves).

I think it would take a few hundred years more for America to develop...

No Blues would exist, and if no Blues would exist, then no Rock & Roll would exist, and if no Rock & Roll would exist, then none of the music that I listen to today would exist, which is just sad.....:(

No Klu Klux Klan, less prejudice people, and more positive black communities would most likely be some of it's side effects. But then again, I'd would probably be born in the most remote areas of Africa since the white man wouldn't have came and took my ancestors to america.....tocool340

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I obsess about alternate timelines.