If it isn't a medical condition like depression, they only have themselves to blame.BranKetra
Yep. Barring extreme medical cases the only blame lies with the person. Blaming companies and manufacturers is just pointing blame for your own sh!tty habits.
[QUOTE="BranKetra"]If it isn't a medical condition like depression, they only have themselves to blame.The_Zoid
Yep. Barring extreme medical cases the only blame lies with the person. Blaming companies and manufacturers is just pointing blame for your own sh!tty habits. It's unfortunate that it happens at all, but at least I take care of myself. I'm not expecting other people to change their lifestyles just because there's a better one, either. It's just how they are.
Because in order to maintain a decent standard of living most families need to have both parents working, unlike the good old days, which means that moms cook less and the family relies on more fa(s)t food. Also people in the U.S. tend to have a lifestyle that is too fast-paced and too crammed.
Because in order to maintain a decent standard of living most families need to have both parents working, unlike the good old days, which means that moms cook less and the family relies on more fa(s)t food. Also people in the U.S. tend to have a lifestyle that is too fast-paced and too crammed.
whipassmt
Which doesn't makse sense. Just because you don't have time to prepare food, doesn't mean you cant cut calories.
Our sense of political/social tribalism, one side of the political spectrum is like "we should legislate a healthier lifestyle" and the other side only knows how to behave as the antithesis to the other so they're all like "**** that, I'm gonna stuff my face just to spite you"... and it's like that with energy efficient light bulbs, energy efficient vehicles, healthcare, and just about everything else.lamprey263
Because in order to maintain a decent standard of living most families need to have both parents working, unlike the good old days, which means that moms cook less and the family relies on more fa(s)t food. Also people in the U.S. tend to have a lifestyle that is too fast-paced and too crammed.
TopTierHustler
Which doesn't makse sense. Just because you don't have time to prepare food, doesn't mean you cant cut calories. Correct, it's just everyone likes to grab more than they can eat. it's like the new way of thinking, especially at a restaurant or buffet...."if I can't receive more than I can finish, it wasn't a good value."
[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]i blame high fructose corn syrup... NO where else in world besides u.s.The_Zoid
I would suggest that this actually not far from the truth. Sugar is the problem, not high fat.
lmao i was like lmao. Time to stop eating fruit. I suggest you start looking at the ingredients in food. High fructose corn syrup is not a naturally occuring sugar, it is manufactured and is in EVERYTHING. The fructose in a piece of fruit is different, it is a simple sugar and is natural as opposed to the the crap that is added in to everything from fizzy drinks to salad dressings to cheap processed food. It is a clinical FACT that the body cannot metabolise high levels of fructose and the liver will automatically convert high levels of fructose in the body to triclycerides and store as fat. It is SUGAR that is making people fat not fat.
I don't need to link various studies that have looked at this particular ingredient to justify what the original poster said about this additive, you can do that yourself.
I would suggest that this actually not far from the truth. Sugar is the problem, not high fat.
wavey_gravey
lmao i was like lmao. Time to stop eating fruit. I suggest you start looking at the ingredients in food. High fructose corn syrup is not a naturally occuring sugar, it is manufactured and is in EVERYTHING. The fructose in a piece of fruit is different, it is a simple sugar and is natural as opposed to the the crap that is added in to everything from fizzy drinks to salad dressings to cheap processed food. It is a clinical FACT that the body cannot metabolise high levels of fructose and the liver will automatically convert high levels of fructose in the body to triclycerides and store as fat. It is SUGAR that is making people fat not fat.
I don't need to link various studies that have looked at this particular ingredient to justify what the original poster said about this additive, you can do that yourself.
And in maintenance or deficit calories what? You'll still get fat? Not quite. Energy in and out still governs body weight regulation. Blaming solely fructose and sugar when people are stuffing their faces with literally every kind of food imaginable is rather silly. HFCS and sucrose are nearly identical in composition, so it's not like HFCS is some killing compound. I must literally be a whale with the amount of ice cream and pop tarts I eat....oh wait.
[QUOTE="The_Zoid"]lmao i was like lmao. Time to stop eating fruit.The_Zoid
I suggest you start looking at the ingredients in food. High fructose corn syrup is not a naturally occuring sugar, it is manufactured and is in EVERYTHING. The fructose in a piece of fruit is different, it is a simple sugar and is natural as opposed to the the crap that is added in to everything from fizzy drinks to salad dressings to cheap processed food. It is a clinical FACT that the body cannot metabolise high levels of fructose and the liver will automatically convert high levels of fructose in the body to triclycerides and store as fat. It is SUGAR that is making people fat not fat.
I don't need to link various studies that have looked at this particular ingredient to justify what the original poster said about this additive, you can do that yourself.
And in maintenance or deficit calories what? You'll still get fat? Not quite. Energy in and out still governs body weight regulation. Blaming solely fructose and sugar when people are stuffing their faces with literally every kind of food imaginable is rather silly. HFCS and sucrose are nearly identical in composition, so it's not like HFCS is some killing compound. I must literally be a whale with the amount of ice cream and pop tarts I eat....oh wait. Same here when I cheat I do it big and people say your lucky you must have good genetics. They don't see what I do in the gym nobody pigs out and still has a eight pack unless they bust ass in the gym.
[QUOTE="The_Zoid"]lmao i was like lmao. Time to stop eating fruit.The_Zoid
I suggest you start looking at the ingredients in food. High fructose corn syrup is not a naturally occuring sugar, it is manufactured and is in EVERYTHING. The fructose in a piece of fruit is different, it is a simple sugar and is natural as opposed to the the crap that is added in to everything from fizzy drinks to salad dressings to cheap processed food. It is a clinical FACT that the body cannot metabolise high levels of fructose and the liver will automatically convert high levels of fructose in the body to triclycerides and store as fat. It is SUGAR that is making people fat not fat.
I don't need to link various studies that have looked at this particular ingredient to justify what the original poster said about this additive, you can do that yourself.
And in maintenance or deficit calories what? You'll still get fat? Not quite. Energy in and out still governs body weight regulation. Blaming solely fructose and sugar when people are stuffing their faces with literally every kind of food imaginable is rather silly. HFCS and sucrose are nearly identical in composition, so it's not like HFCS is some killing compound. I must literally be a whale with the amount of ice cream and pop tarts I eat....oh wait. Yes, energy in versus energy out is still the simple equation, yay to you for stating the obvious. I think you are missing my point: HFCS is not a killing compound and that is not what I am suggesting, but is is an un-necessary sugar in most foods, tell me, why does bread need sugar in it? Just look at the amount of different products that has that compound in it. My point is that HFCS is pumped in to most foods, most people do not understand what they are eating: processed crap full of calories with very little nutritional content. You do that on a regular basis you get fat, no two ways about it. Even in so-called dietary or "low-fat" products, sugar in its various forms is still used and is still going to cause problems. Like I said, it is SUGAR that is making people fat and their lack of understanding. Incidentally, I live in the UK, most of our food does not contain HFCS, as its production is limited in this country PRECISELY because of its harmful effects.
There are people in this world, who instead of eating right, getting some exercise and being active choose to sit in front of their computer, eat disgusting fast food and play video games because it's easier and takes less effort. The NGR Thug Mansion, for one. I want to warn you that an invasion from this message board, consisting of failed states of human beings who spend all day online using swear words, derogatory terms and talking about how many pimples they have on their face and how many butts they have kissed. If you see any new people trying to stir up trouble, it's them. They will be on this board and System Wars.
[QUOTE="wavey_gravey"] I suggest you start looking at the ingredients in food. High fructose corn syrup is not a naturally occuring sugar, it is manufactured and is in EVERYTHING. The fructose in a piece of fruit is different, it is a simple sugar and is natural as opposed to the the crap that is added in to everything from fizzy drinks to salad dressings to cheap processed food. It is a clinical FACT that the body cannot metabolise high levels of fructose and the liver will automatically convert high levels of fructose in the body to triclycerides and store as fat. It is SUGAR that is making people fat not fat.
I don't need to link various studies that have looked at this particular ingredient to justify what the original poster said about this additive, you can do that yourself.
wavey_gravey
And in maintenance or deficit calories what? You'll still get fat? Not quite. Energy in and out still governs body weight regulation. Blaming solely fructose and sugar when people are stuffing their faces with literally every kind of food imaginable is rather silly. HFCS and sucrose are nearly identical in composition, so it's not like HFCS is some killing compound. I must literally be a whale with the amount of ice cream and pop tarts I eat....oh wait. Yes, energy in versus energy out is still the simple equation, yay to you for stating the obvious. I think you are missing my point: HFCS is not a killing compound and that is not what I am suggesting, but is is an un-necessary sugar in most foods, tell me, why does bread need sugar in it? Just look at the amount of different products that has that compound in it. My point is that HFCS is pumped in to most foods, most people do not understand what they are eating: processed crap full of calories with very little nutritional content. You do that on a regular basis you get fat, no two ways about it. Even in so-called dietary or "low-fat" products, sugar in its various forms is still used and is still going to cause problems. Like I said, it is SUGAR that is making people fat and their lack of understanding. Incidentally, I live in the UK, most of our food does not contain HFCS, as its production is limited in this country PRECISELY because of its harmful effects. And? It's still not the reason for obesity. You're pinning down one tiny factor and beating it to death. The only appreciable difference between simple and complex carbs to the body is micronutrients and fiber. Fiber having an extremely slight effect on calorie absorption. Otherwise for body composition 4cal/g is 4cal/g. You honestly sound like a Robert Lustig apologist. Maybe Gary Taubes. Either way, in controlled calorie settings this is all irrelevant. You're literally barking up one single tree in the grand scheme of things. Being sedentary and in a constant surplus is much more of a factor than any single nutrient or additive. Oh and by the way the whole world is getting fatter, not just the US, regardless of HFCS.
First of all, it has to do with how cheap fast food and junk food (with large amounts of sodium, saturated fat, high fructose corn syrup, hydrogenated oils..) are in comparison to healthy food. Then portion size. I had a 350 lb roommate in college who simply couldn't control himself, which came from his parents (and because of this, he'd claim his size was due to being predisposed to being a fatass, so he wouldn't do anything about it). And then a sedentary lifestyle. If you're going to take in loads of calories, you better work them off. A lot of Americans don't.
First of all, it has to do with how cheap fast food and junk food (with large amounts of sodium, saturated fat, high fructose corn syrup, hydrogenated oils..) are in comparison to healthy food. Then portion size. I had a 350 lb roommate in college who simply couldn't control himself, which came from his parents (and because of this, he'd claim his size was due to being predisposed to being a fatass, so he wouldn't do anything about it). And then a sedentary lifestyle. If you're going to take in loads of calories, you better work them off. A lot of Americans don't.GamerForca
Again, this is a myth perpetuated by the left in order to justify more government intervention in the form of subsidizing "healthy" foods.
[QUOTE="wavey_gravey"][QUOTE="The_Zoid"]And in maintenance or deficit calories what? You'll still get fat? Not quite. Energy in and out still governs body weight regulation. Blaming solely fructose and sugar when people are stuffing their faces with literally every kind of food imaginable is rather silly. HFCS and sucrose are nearly identical in composition, so it's not like HFCS is some killing compound. I must literally be a whale with the amount of ice cream and pop tarts I eat....oh wait.The_Zoid
Yes, energy in versus energy out is still the simple equation, yay to you for stating the obvious. I think you are missing my point: HFCS is not a killing compound and that is not what I am suggesting, but is is an un-necessary sugar in most foods, tell me, why does bread need sugar in it? Just look at the amount of different products that has that compound in it. My point is that HFCS is pumped in to most foods, most people do not understand what they are eating: processed crap full of calories with very little nutritional content. You do that on a regular basis you get fat, no two ways about it. Even in so-called dietary or "low-fat" products, sugar in its various forms is still used and is still going to cause problems. Like I said, it is SUGAR that is making people fat and their lack of understanding. Incidentally, I live in the UK, most of our food does not contain HFCS, as its production is limited in this country PRECISELY because of its harmful effects. And? It's still not the reason for obesity. You're pinning down one tiny factor and beating it to death. The only appreciable difference between simple and complex carbs to the body is micronutrients and fiber. Fiber having an extremely slight effect on calorie absorption. Otherwise for body composition 4cal/g is 4cal/g. You honestly sound like a Robert Lustig apologist. Maybe Gary Taubes. Either way, in controlled calorie settings this is all irrelevant. You're literally barking up one single tree in the grand scheme of things. Being sedentary and in a constant surplus is much more of a factor than any single nutrient or additive. Oh and by the way the whole world is getting fatter, not just the US, regardless of HFCS. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Every couple of years there is another nutritional boogey man. Currently, the trend is to attack HFCS. It's pathetic and stupid.
-sedentary lifestyle -convenience of fast food -fried foods -food stamps -disability for obese (We'll pay you to be fat!!!) -high fructose corn syrup -all you can eat buffets -American culture I used to work for a transport company that picked up deceased for funeral homes and the coroner. You never realize how many mega-obese (500-800 lbs) there are until you work that kind of job. Mega-obese deceased have to buy 2 funeral plots side by side and get a specially made extra wide coffin. It's not cheap.
I think it's partly due to a slippery slope, by having friends and family who eat unheatlhy, and having fast food be relatively cheap and more accessible than a healthy alternative.
fattening food is far more accessible than healthy food.
Serraph105
Again, that isn't true. It's just another way for leftists to try to shift blame away from the overweight and demonize free markets, and justify further government control over the economy.
fattening food is far more accessible than healthy food.
kraychik
Again, that isn't true. It's just another way for leftists to try to shift blame away from the overweight and demonize free markets, and justify further government control over the economy. again with you trying to blame political leanings. The fact is I can drive down the road see eight different fast food places, one grocery store, and of those nine places only one of them will be lacking a drive through. To argue that it isn't more accessible is to argue against fact.
Way too many bad food options and not enough good food options. people too lazy to make their own food instead of buying packaged foods. A lot of people no longer care to grow their own foods. Healthy foods costing more than junk foods. I am sure there are many other reasons, but that's some of the main reasons. After me and my girl watched a foreign film called Bodyguards and Assassins the other day, we started talking about this same topic. We noticed how people ate in China in that movie compared to how we Americans eat. All fresh natural foods and nothing packaged. Veggies and fruit for sale everywhere and not a boxed food in sight the whole film. I am growing my first garden this year and once I move again, I will aim for a nice yard and will grow a lot of foods for myself instead of buying from the store. I also think GMO foods play a role in it as well.
fattening food is far more accessible than healthy food.
Serraph105
Again, that isn't true. It's just another way for leftists to try to shift blame away from the overweight and demonize free markets, and justify further government control over the economy. again with you trying to blame political leanings. The fact is I can drive down the road see eight different fast food places, one grocery store, and of those nine places only one of them will be lacking a drive through. To argue that it isn't more accessible is to argue against fact. Even fast food restaurants have healthier alternatives. And grocery stores often have a type of "meals-to-go" section with healthier alternatives to the conventional Big Mac. Moreover, I'm seeing a lot more healthy options from fast food joints and restaurants than ever before. "Accessibility" usually refers to price, not quickness - so I initially misunderstood what you were getting at. Either way, even if your assertion is true (and it isn't in most cases), whose fault is that? Restaurants respond to what people want.
[QUOTE="GamerForca"]First of all, it has to do with how cheap fast food and junk food (with large amounts of sodium, saturated fat, high fructose corn syrup, hydrogenated oils..) are in comparison to healthy food. Then portion size. I had a 350 lb roommate in college who simply couldn't control himself, which came from his parents (and because of this, he'd claim his size was due to being predisposed to being a fatass, so he wouldn't do anything about it). And then a sedentary lifestyle. If you're going to take in loads of calories, you better work them off. A lot of Americans don't.kraychik
Again, this is a myth perpetuated by the left in order to justify more government intervention in the form of subsidizing "healthy" foods. Yeah, it's cuz of GENES. America has something called the fat gene. You're predisposed to being a fatass, so there's no reason to do anything about it. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Fast food, and food that's worse for you is plan old cheaper. I'm American, but I'm not fat. Although there are tons of obese people here....It really digusts me at times, it's a clear-cut sign of laziness, and no self respect. Just my opinion though! :x
[QUOTE="kraychik"][QUOTE="GamerForca"]First of all, it has to do with how cheap fast food and junk food (with large amounts of sodium, saturated fat, high fructose corn syrup, hydrogenated oils..) are in comparison to healthy food. Then portion size. I had a 350 lb roommate in college who simply couldn't control himself, which came from his parents (and because of this, he'd claim his size was due to being predisposed to being a fatass, so he wouldn't do anything about it). And then a sedentary lifestyle. If you're going to take in loads of calories, you better work them off. A lot of Americans don't.GamerForca
Again, this is a myth perpetuated by the left in order to justify more government intervention in the form of subsidizing "healthy" foods. Yeah, it's cuz of GENES. America has something called the fat gene. You're predisposed to being a fatass, so there's no reason to do anything about it. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. You bring up an interesting point I forgot to mention in my post. America is getting genetically fatter. Think about it. If you're fat person who are you probably going to have a kid with? Another fat person. Then their kid ends up with an even slower metabolism than both parents,
Ita called portion sizes, fast food well adds to it, it was in a true portion size inside of being so blown out of whack. It wouldn't be as much as a problem.
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