Where do you get your music?

I download it all the time. I just don't think I should have to pay for music when I can get it for free.Zaeryn

Yes, everyone should have full access to a service, but have the choice whether or not to pay the people who do the work. :|

If the music wasn't important enough to be worth a little of your money, it wasn't worth downloading. If it was worth downloading, you should pay the people who made it for you... not because it's better for you, but because it is fair. People pay you to do work or create something of value for them, and if people do work for you or create something of value to you, you should willingly pay them for it.

We no longer live in an age where you can use the excuse that you don't want to pay $15 for a CD with only one or two songs you like. Download and pay for them individually.

[QUOTE="Zaeryn"]I download it all the time. I just don't think I should have to pay for music when I can get it for free.pianist

Yes, everyone should have full access to a service, but have the choice whether or not to pay the people who do the work. :|

If the music wasn't important enough to be worth a little of your money, it wasn't worth downloading. If it was worth downloading, you should pay the people who made it for you... not because it's better for you, but because it is fair. People pay you to do work or create something of value for them, and if people do work for you or create something of value to you, you should willingly pay them for it.

We no longer live in an age where you can use the excuse that you don't want to pay $15 for a CD with only one or two songs you like. Download and pay for them individually.

Or just buy limewire pro for a set amount and download loads of songs:P

[QUOTE="Zaeryn"]I download it all the time. I just don't think I should have to pay for music when I can get it for free.pianist

Yes, everyone should have full access to a service, but have the choice whether or not to pay the people who do the work. :|

If the music wasn't important enough to be worth a little of your money, it wasn't worth downloading. If it was worth downloading, you should pay the people who made it for you... not because it's better for you, but because it is fair. People pay you to do work or create something of value for them, and if people do work or create something of value, you should willingly pay them for it.

We no longer live in an age where you can use the excuse that you don't want to pay $15 for a CD with only one or two songs you like. Download and pay for them individually.

Personally I used to download music off of Kazaa & Morpheus a few years ago, based on what I liked I would buy various albums so I wouldn't get burned for buying a crap. Ever since I quit using P2P programs though I don't buy music as often, in fact the only music I buy is represented in samplers made by Asleep By Dawn. In fact I would still be using P2P programs but I don't want to have to deal with all the viruses and other related crap.

Long story short do you think what I did was morally reprehensible and should be punished, after all I was illegally downloading the music to judge it. And many would think that I should be punished, but others would more then likely agree with my philosohpy i.e. judging music before buying it.

Or just buy limewire pro for a set amount and download loads of songs:P

odyssey_divine

Sure... as long as the people who initially created the work get something for it, it's fine by me. If it's only a couple of pennies, that's still better than absolutely nothing. People forget that producing an album of music is a time-consuming and expensive process. In fact, it would be FAR too expensive for most individuals to pay for the service of having a music album produced for their enjoyment. And so instead, the cost has to be divided amongst all the users of the album. Maybe you think paying 2 pennies to an artist won't make a difference... but if you don't, you're not paying your fair share of the cost of producing the service, and you shouldn't be using it.

[QUOTE="odyssey_divine"]

Or just buy limewire pro for a set amount and download loads of songs:P

pianist

Sure... as long as the people who initially created the work get something for it, it's fine by me. If it's only a couple of pennies, that's still better than absolutely nothing. People forget that producing an album of music is a time-consuming and expensive process. In fact, it would be FAR too expensive for most individuals to pay for the service of having a music album produced for their enjoyment. And so instead, the cost has to be divided amongst all the users of the album. Maybe you think paying 2 pennies to an artist won't make a difference... but if you don't, you're not paying your fair share of the cost of producing the service, and you shouldn't be using it.

The people producing these records dnt get enough money as it is? :|

Indie stores or directly from the label. That way, I at least know the artist is getting a majority of the money.Cerussite

About the only time I've ever done that was when I bought the two Chiasm abums I own. And then it was only because the price was the same buying it from the artist or buying it through eBay or Half.com

Personally I used to download music off of Kazaa & Morpheus a few years ago, based on what I liked I would buy various albums so I wouldn't get burned for buying a crap. Ever since I quit using P2P programs though I don't buy music as often, in fact the only music I buy is represented in samplers made by Asleep By Dawn. In fact I would still be using P2P programs but I don't want to have to deal with all the viruses and other related crap.

Long story short do you think what I did was morally reprehensible and should be punished, after all I was illegally downloading the music to judge it. And many would think that I should be punished, but others would more then likely agree with my philosohpy i.e. judging music before buying it.

Smaug84

The problem with this philosophy is that far too many people skip the 'go buy it if I like it stage.' It's too easy (and tempting) to just keep your free music when you're on a tight budget... and then you start downloading more and more of it and fail to pay for it. Frankly, I think it would be better if you simply do not buy music from artists who do not release samples of their work that compel you to buy their music. This will encourage the use of legitimate, free samples, which will totally eliminate the need to sample music illegally.

I've never liked this excuse. You don't 'sample' the services of other providers for free. If you go to a dentist and have a bad experience, you go to a different dentist next time. If you hire someone to mow your lawn and he does a crappy job, you hire someone else the next time. If the handout isn't provided for free, you shouldn't be taking it. It's an artist's decision to provide you with samples of their work, and the decision is not yours to make.

The people producing these records dnt get enough money as it is? :|

odyssey_divine

No. Most musicians aren't like the popular ones you see on TV. They accept the fact that they will be paid only a little for what they do and do it anyways. And that's why it's important that people contribute to their cause. For most musicians, every little bit helps. Don't use the stereotyped minority to try to justify piracy.

Do you really think it's alright to steal from someone just because he or she is wealthy? Do you think it's fair to use their services for free just because they're wealthy? How much money a person receives is really none of your business - what is your business is to ensure that you conduct your OWN affairs with integrity, and integrity involves paying what is asked when someone provides you with something of value, be it a service or a product.

[QUOTE="odyssey_divine"]

The people producing these records dnt get enough money as it is? :|

pianist

No. Most musicians aren't like the popular ones you see on TV. They accept the fact that they will be paid only a little for what they do and do it anyways. And that's why it's important that people contribute to their cause. For most musicians, every little bit helps. Don't use the stereotyped minority to try to justify piracy.

Do you really think it's alright to steal from someone just because he or she is wealthy? Do you think it's fair to use their services for free just because they're wealthy? How much money a person receives is really none of your business - what is your business is to ensure that you conduct your OWN affairs with integrity, and integrity involves paying what is asked when someone provides you with something of value, be it a service or a product.

I bought limewire pro fair and square so dnt try and make me feel guilty about getting "free music" as u call it.. if we wasnt supposed 2 download music off the net they wudnt have such things as limewire pro

[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="odyssey_divine"]

The people producing these records dnt get enough money as it is? :|

odyssey_divine

No. Most musicians aren't like the popular ones you see on TV. They accept the fact that they will be paid only a little for what they do and do it anyways. And that's why it's important that people contribute to their cause. For most musicians, every little bit helps. Don't use the stereotyped minority to try to justify piracy.

Do you really think it's alright to steal from someone just because he or she is wealthy? Do you think it's fair to use their services for free just because they're wealthy? How much money a person receives is really none of your business - what is your business is to ensure that you conduct your OWN affairs with integrity, and integrity involves paying what is asked when someone provides you with something of value, be it a service or a product.

I bought limewire pro fair and square so dnt try and make me feel guilty about getting "free music" as u call it.. if we wasnt supposed 2 download music off the net they wudnt have such things as limewire pro

You are aware that just because you use LimeWire PRO, it doesn't mean that downloading music with it is legal, right? Assuming you live in the States anyway. Clinik

I live in the UK

[QUOTE="Clinik"]You are aware that just because you use LimeWire PRO, it doesn't mean that downloading music with it is legal, right? Assuming you live in the States anyway. odyssey_divine

I live in the UK

[QUOTE="odyssey_divine"][QUOTE="Clinik"]You are aware that just because you use LimeWire PRO, it doesn't mean that downloading music with it is legal, right? Assuming you live in the States anyway. Clinik

I live in the UK

Its illegal to download music off of the free Limewire but its legal to download music off Limewire Pro FACT:P

I bought limewire pro fair and square so dnt try and make me feel guilty about getting "free music" as u call it.. if we wasnt supposed 2 download music off the net they wudnt have such things as limewire pro

odyssey_divine

I'm not trying to make you feel guilty for paying for your music. Like I initially said, I have no problem with acquiring a service or product for a good deal, provided that it's something to which the service providers (in this case the musicians) agreed. My post was a response to your second post, which suggested that you advocate piracy because of how much the stereotypical popular musician earns. Nothing more. If you didn't want a response, you shouldn't have suggested that you think piracy is acceptable on those grounds.

You are aware that just because you use LimeWire PRO, it doesn't mean that downloading music with it is legal, right? Assuming you live in the States anyway. Clinik

Do the musicians receive anything from Limewire? If not... well, that changes everything. Paying someone to steal something for you and provide it to you at a vastly reduced rate... doesn't that sound a bit like organized crime from the 1930s? Sheesh... I just don't understand how people can justify this to themselves or convince themselves that it's ethical.

Oh cant u just be a normal person and download music off the net?odyssey_divine

No. I can't do something I deem unethical.

[QUOTE="odyssey_divine"]Oh cant u just be a normal person and download music off the net?pianist

No. I can't do something I deem unethical.

Ur loss not mine

Where do I get my music?...............

... MUHAHAhahahahahaahahha1!!!

Ur loss not mine

odyssey_divine

Yes indeed. But I'm content knowing that I'm not doing something unethical. It's a shame so many people think it's OK to steal as long as they can get away with it. Stage 1 moral reasoning at its best.

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Ur loss not mine

pianist

Yes indeed. But I'm content knowing that I'm not doing something unethical. It's a shame so many people think it's OK to steal as long as they can get away with it. Stage 1 moral reasoning at its best.

I'm not stealing at all I am downloading it off someone who has already got the song I want:P

I'm not stealing at all I am downloading it off someone who has already got the song I want:P

odyssey_divine

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Knowingly receiving stolen property is theft, regardless of whether or not you pay the thief a small amount for distributing it without permission.

[QUOTE="odyssey_divine"]

I'm not stealing at all I am downloading it off someone who has already got the song I want:P

pianist

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Knowingly receiving stolen property is theft, regardless of whether or not you pay the thief a small amount for distributing it without permission.

Take a day off seriously:P

[QUOTE="odyssey_divine"]

I'm not stealing at all I am downloading it off someone who has already got the song I want:P

pianist

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Knowingly receiving stolen property is theft, regardless of whether or not you pay the thief a small amount for distributing it without permission.

guess We're all gonna burn in hell then:roll:

[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="odyssey_divine"]

I'm not stealing at all I am downloading it off someone who has already got the song I want:P

FamiBox

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Knowingly receiving stolen property is theft, regardless of whether or not you pay the thief a small amount for distributing it without permission.

guess We're all gonna burn in hell then:roll:

See you there:P

guess We're all gonna burn in hell then:roll:

FamiBox

:|

In all likelihood, there will be no consequences whatsoever for what you do. That's not the point. The point is that no matter how you go about justifying it by exploiting legal loopholes, it's unethical. A person can act unethically and not be punished for it. Heck, he may even be rewarded for it in some cases. But that doesn't make it right.

For the record, I have no religious beliefs. One need not be religious to understand that enjoying a service for free when it was not intended to be distributed for free is unethical.

Music stores, teh p2pKritical_Strike

These.

Limewire FTW!BUTSECKSLOLZ

[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

guess We're all gonna burn in hell then:roll:

pianist

:|

In all likelihood, there will be no consequences whatsoever for what you do. That's not the point. The point is that no matter how you go about justifying it by exploiting legal loopholes, it's unethical. A person can act unethically and not be punished for it. Heck, he may even be rewarded for it in some cases. But that doesn't make it right.

For the record, I have no religious beliefs. One need not be religious to understand that enjoying a service for free when it was not intended to be distributed for free is unethical.

Opinions, opinons.

Opinions, opinons.

FamiBox

I've justified my opinion. Justify yours. Explain how using a service for free when it was not offered for free is not unethical. Not all opinions are created equal, and while you may hold the opinion that piracy is not unethical, if you can't justify the opinion, it is flawed and irrelevant.

Well, considering how obsessed I am with music, I don't have enough money to spend 15 bucks for every album I want. That is rather expensive for me, so I download to get it instead, wrong as it may be.Zaeryn

At least you acknowledge it's wrong. But you're young. Maybe some day you'll look back on this behaviour with regret. Look, all of us wish we had more money to enjoy life. But that's not how things are... and just because we can't have everything we want does not mean we should resort to unethical activities to obtain it.

[QUOTE="Zaeryn"]Well, considering how obsessed I am with music, I don't have enough money to spend 15 bucks for every album I want. That is rather expensive for me, so I download to get it instead, wrong as it may be.pianist

At least you acknowledge it's wrong. But you're young. Maybe some day you'll look back on this behaviour with regret. Look, all of us wish we had more money to enjoy life. But that's not how things are... and just because we can't have everything we want does not mean we should resort to unethical activities to obtain it.

Yes it does.

Yes it does.

NecroKvltMuffin

Would you condone shoplifting? How about breaking into someone's house? Stealing a car? How about going to a fancy restaurant and leaving without paying? How about going to the doctor and leaving without paying? If so, there's nothing much to be said. I would consider you a repulsively immoral individual, and we would leave it at that.

[QUOTE="NecroKvltMuffin"]

Yes it does.

pianist

Would you condone shoplifting? How about breaking into someone's house? Stealing a car? How about going to a fancy restaurant and leaving without paying? How about going to the doctor and leaving without paying? If so, there's nothing much to be said. I would consider you a repulsively immoral individual, and we would leave it at that.

That's cool.