I for one am with California and a few other state considering legalization.
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The fact that a plant is illegal is absurd in the first place. The legalization of marijuana should be soon after followed by feeling ashamed of ourselves.... I mean seriously.best-gam3rlol yea that is a given. The plant is the most harmless recreational drug there is yet acohol and tobacco are legal. Personally I think all drugs should be legal and regulated like alcohol and tobacco.
[QUOTE="DjCristii"]does it matter? people will smoke it even if its illegalpis3rchIt matters to all of the innocent, nonviolent users who could potentially be charged as criminals just for using it. I would say that yeah, it matters. dont get caught, its not hard
[QUOTE="DjCristii"]does it matter? people will smoke it even if its illegalpis3rchIt matters to all of the innocent, nonviolent users who could potentially be charged as criminals just for using it. I would say that yeah, it matters.
legalization is not such a simple matter as signing a paper and say ok you can smoke now. you cant just legalize something you have no control over. right now the drug trade is run by gangs and other often times violent organizations. and taxing the hell out of weed wont solve anything. as then a black market is then created and people will go right back to the original source. which doesnt solve many problems. not to mention many of these gangs(also talking cross boarder here not just local.) will then seek other ways to make money. be that heavier drugs or otherwise. not to mention what do you do with all those people who have been jailed on pot charges?
to the one who said all drugs should be legalized? really? are you serious? have you seen what other drugs do? ever seen someone on meth? or heroin? yeah probly not. other wise you wouldnt be so quick to say such a thing. and to say that its our bodies we should be able to do what we want? i fully agree, if this was anarchy (im quite for anarchy of sorts). but we dont live in anarchy we live in a cooperative society and having useless drug addicts does not promote the betterment of said society.
It matters to all of the innocent, nonviolent users who could potentially be charged as criminals just for using it. I would say that yeah, it matters.[QUOTE="pis3rch"][QUOTE="DjCristii"]does it matter? people will smoke it even if its illegalblackacidevil96
legalization is not such a simple matter as signing a paper and say ok you can smoke now. you cant just legalize something you have no control over. right now the drug trade is run by gangs and other often times violent organizations. and taxing the hell out of weed wont solve anything. as then a black market is then created and people will go right back to the original source. which doesnt solve many problems. not to mention many of these gangs(also talking cross boarder here not just local.) will then seek other ways to make money. be that heavier drugs or otherwise. not to mention what do you do with all those people who have been jailed on pot charges?
to the one who said all drugs should be legalized? really? are you serious? have you seen what other drugs do? ever seen someone on meth? or heroin? yeah probly not. other wise you wouldnt be so quick to say such a thing. and to say that its our bodies we should be able to do what we want? i fully agree, if this was anarchy (im quite for anarchy of sorts). but we dont live in anarchy we live in a cooperative society and having useless drug addicts does not promote the betterment of said society.
so your rational behind not legalizing cannabis is it would create a black market? What would you call what we have now? Regardless legalization is the first step and any kind will hurt the black market. If you wanted to eliminate it just allow users to grow their own like they can with tobacco and brew their own beer. And what do you mean what to do with the people in prison just release everyone from prison with a minor pot charge. Sure I have seen what heavier drugs can do to people does it not make more sense to treat it as a public health issue rather than a national security issue.Ummmm....You do know Tabacco was seen as harmless not that long ago right? So you might not want to use that one.If acohol and tobacco is legal so should Marijuana.
Risitance
It matters to all of the innocent, nonviolent users who could potentially be charged as criminals just for using it. I would say that yeah, it matters.[QUOTE="pis3rch"][QUOTE="DjCristii"]does it matter? people will smoke it even if its illegalblackacidevil96
legalization is not such a simple matter as signing a paper and say ok you can smoke now. you cant just legalize something you have no control over. right now the drug trade is run by gangs and other often times violent organizations. and taxing the hell out of weed wont solve anything. as then a black market is then created and people will go right back to the original source. which doesnt solve many problems. not to mention many of these gangs(also talking cross boarder here not just local.) will then seek other ways to make money. be that heavier drugs or otherwise. not to mention what do you do with all those people who have been jailed on pot charges?
to the one who said all drugs should be legalized? really? are you serious? have you seen what other drugs do? ever seen someone on meth? or heroin? yeah probly not. other wise you wouldnt be so quick to say such a thing. and to say that its our bodies we should be able to do what we want? i fully agree, if this was anarchy (im quite for anarchy of sorts). but we dont live in anarchy we live in a cooperative society and having useless drug addicts does not promote the betterment of said society.
The prohibition of marijuana is what created the black market in the first place. Did you ever study the Prohibition of the 1920's? IT FAILED. People wanted to drink, and criminals rose to power as the source of much coveted booze. That's what we have today with marijuana. People want to smoke, and will always want to smoke, so they are going to get marijuana. I think that they would prefer to get it from a regulated coffeshop/dispensary (like in Amsterdam or California) than to buy it from some dealer who supports the violent Mexican cartels.[QUOTE="Risitance"]Ummmm....You do know Tabacco was seen as harmless not that long ago right? So you might not want to use that one. whats your point? it has been proven time and time again that Marijuana is less harmful then acohol and tobacco. Yet which two are legal even though they can be very dangerous to public health.If acohol and tobacco is legal so should Marijuana.
MoonMarvel
all drugs should be legalized,or at bare minimum drug laws should be handled by the states. Crime rates in inner cities would plummet as drug kingpins collapse and reputable companies take over the drug market.
If acohol and tobacco is legal so should Marijuana.
Ummmm....You do know Tabacco was seen as harmless not that long ago right? So you might not want to use that one. whats your point? it has been proven time and time again that Marijuana is less harmful then acohol and tobacco. Yet which two are legal even though they can be very dangerous to public health. You're kidding right? Tobacco was first seen as harmless, thats why it was never banned they thought it was harmless and by the time it was proven false the industry was too big to be banned. So don't use that one ever.And public health goes down the gutter in the name of a buck. Have you ever seen what Meth does to people? There is NO valid reason to make it legal.all drugs should be legalized,or at bare minimum drug laws should be handled by the states. Crime rates in inner cities would plummet as drug kingpins collapse and reputable companies take over the drug market.
danwallacefan
[QUOTE="rob1101"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] Ummmm....You do know Tabacco was seen as harmless not that long ago right? So you might not want to use that one.MoonMarvelwhats your point? it has been proven time and time again that Marijuana is less harmful then acohol and tobacco. Yet which two are legal even though they can be very dangerous to public health. You're kidding right? Tobacco was first seen as harmless, thats why it was never banned they thought it was harmless and by the time it was proven false the industry was too big to be banned. So don't use that one ever. Not just that really. I hate the argument of "alcohol and tobacco are worse but are legalized!" because the logic behind it is so obviously flawed. Two very bad things being legal and one fairly bad thing being illegal does not mean that the fairly bad thing should also be legal. That would mean that three bad things would be legal now instead of just two. The logic DOES NOT work.
[QUOTE="danwallacefan"]And public health goes down the gutter in the name of a buck. Have you ever seen what Meth does to people? There is NO valid reason to make it legal. are we then to outlaw smoking, drinking, or over-eating? People own their own bodies, they should be able to do what they will. Further, do you really think drug prohibition keeps anyone from getting their hands on crystal meth? It just makes meth a black-market product responsible for a whole host of property crimes and homicides.all drugs should be legalized,or at bare minimum drug laws should be handled by the states. Crime rates in inner cities would plummet as drug kingpins collapse and reputable companies take over the drug market.
MoonMarvel
[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="rob1101"] whats your point? it has been proven time and time again that Marijuana is less harmful then acohol and tobacco. Yet which two are legal even though they can be very dangerous to public health.Paladin_KingYou're kidding right? Tobacco was first seen as harmless, thats why it was never banned they thought it was harmless and by the time it was proven false the industry was too big to be banned. So don't use that one ever. Not just that really. I hate the argument of "alcohol and tobacco are worse but are legalized!" because the logic behind it is so obviously flawed. Two very bad things being legal and one fairly bad thing being illegal does not mean that the fairly bad thing should also be legal. That would mean that three bad things would be legal now instead of just two. The logic DOES NOT work. They don't see Weed as bad. Also I doubt many know what prohibition in the 1920's was, other than booze was banned and Al Capone. Little more to it than that.
It's not going to happen. Considering how much brainwashing has gone on since the war on drugs was initiated, the people foolish enough to buy into that tripe would cry and scream bloody murder if the prohibition was repealed.
Nationwide, it will take a long time. I can see a few states, especially California, legalizing it by then.
[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="rob1101"] whats your point? it has been proven time and time again that Marijuana is less harmful then acohol and tobacco. Yet which two are legal even though they can be very dangerous to public health.Paladin_KingYou're kidding right? Tobacco was first seen as harmless, thats why it was never banned they thought it was harmless and by the time it was proven false the industry was too big to be banned. So don't use that one ever. Not just that really. I hate the argument of "alcohol and tobacco are worse but are legalized!" because the logic behind it is so obviously flawed. Two very bad things being legal and one fairly bad thing being illegal does not mean that the fairly bad thing should also be legal. That would mean that three bad things would be legal now instead of just two. The logic DOES NOT work. no actually it merely exposes the incredible hypocrisy in society and people who think that alcohol and tobacco ought be legal, but drugs ought not be. The reason we near-universally agree that alcohol and tobacco should be legal is because people own their own bodies, but its hypocrisy to say that it stops when talking about drugs like marijuana.
[QUOTE="Paladin_King"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] You're kidding right? Tobacco was first seen as harmless, thats why it was never banned they thought it was harmless and by the time it was proven false the industry was too big to be banned. So don't use that one ever. MoonMarvelNot just that really. I hate the argument of "alcohol and tobacco are worse but are legalized!" because the logic behind it is so obviously flawed. Two very bad things being legal and one fairly bad thing being illegal does not mean that the fairly bad thing should also be legal. That would mean that three bad things would be legal now instead of just two. The logic DOES NOT work. Agreed. But saying weed is bad is one line of argument. Saying that worse things are legalized, and so weed should be legalized too is an entirely different line of argument. The first can be argued, the second can't. Hell, the second implicitly accepts that marijuana is bad. They don't see Weed as bad. Also I doubt many know what prohibition in the 1920's was, other than booze was banned and Al Capone. Little more to it than that.
[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="danwallacefan"]
all drugs should be legalized,or at bare minimum drug laws should be handled by the states. Crime rates in inner cities would plummet as drug kingpins collapse and reputable companies take over the drug market.
And public health goes down the gutter in the name of a buck. Have you ever seen what Meth does to people? There is NO valid reason to make it legal. are we then to outlaw smoking, drinking, or over-eating? People own their own bodies, they should be able to do what they will. Further, do you really think drug prohibition keeps anyone from getting their hands on crystal meth? It just makes meth a black-market product responsible for a whole host of property crimes and homicides. Flawed Logic. Are you seriously comparing meth to eating donut? That is way flawed, you can't compare a less dangerous thing to a more dangerous thing and use that as logic for making both legal, doesn't work that way. And as long as those things harm society and run up health care costs no you can't, also you know nothing about Meth, making it legal makes it easier for them to get it not harder and keeps people on it from getting off. Black Market? HA! I have met Meth addicts, none of them commit crimes and I doubt you know how many do.Not just that really. I hate the argument of "alcohol and tobacco are worse but are legalized!" because the logic behind it is so obviously flawed. Two very bad things being legal and one fairly bad thing being illegal does not mean that the fairly bad thing should also be legal. That would mean that three bad things would be legal now instead of just two. The logic DOES NOT work. no actually it merely exposes the incredible hypocrisy in society and people who think that alcohol and tobacco ought be legal, but drugs ought not be. The reason we near-universally agree that alcohol and tobacco should be legal is because people own their own bodies, but its hypocrisy to say that it stops when talking about drugs like marijuana. Actually I don't think Tobacco should be legal, but do understand that the industry is too big to ban. Booze on the other hand in harmless in moderation but even then some don't agree that it should be legal either and I don't agree with binge drinking.[QUOTE="Paladin_King"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] You're kidding right? Tobacco was first seen as harmless, thats why it was never banned they thought it was harmless and by the time it was proven false the industry was too big to be banned. So don't use that one ever. danwallacefan
[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="rob1101"] whats your point? it has been proven time and time again that Marijuana is less harmful then acohol and tobacco. Yet which two are legal even though they can be very dangerous to public health.Paladin_KingYou're kidding right? Tobacco was first seen as harmless, thats why it was never banned they thought it was harmless and by the time it was proven false the industry was too big to be banned. So don't use that one ever. Not just that really. I hate the argument of "alcohol and tobacco are worse but are legalized!" because the logic behind it is so obviously flawed. Two very bad things being legal and one fairly bad thing being illegal does not mean that the fairly bad thing should also be legal. That would mean that three bad things would be legal now instead of just two. The logic DOES NOT work. That's why I think cigarettes, alcohol, and all drugs should be illegal. People are thinking opposite. Since smoking and alcohol is very bad but legal, and marijuana is kind of bad and illegal, then everything should be ILLEGAL, not everything becoming legal. That's like saying that since people who get away from jail for murder, but Michael Vick went to jail for dogfighting, then he shouldn't have to be in jail. That's wrong. It means that the murderers should be in jail even longer than him. I think this logic from the people who said that comes from school. You know if two people both got the wrong answer to something on a test, and one got it marked as right and the other got it marked as wrong, the one who got it marked as wrong thinks that they should get their answer right, too. NO. it means both people should then be marked wrong.
[QUOTE="best-gam3r"]The fact that a plant is illegal is absurd in the first place. The legalization of marijuana should be soon after followed by feeling ashamed of ourselves.... I mean seriously.rob1101lol yea that is a given. The plant is the most harmless recreational drug there is yet acohol and tobacco are legal. Personally I think all drugs should be legal and regulated like alcohol and tobacco. You are right we should ban alcohol and tobacco. I will support that ban as it only causes harm to society.
Flawed Logic. Are you seriously comparing meth to eating donut?MoonMarvel
what's wrong with that? Obesity and heart disease kill WAAAY more people than illicit drugs. If you want to outlaw drugs, it seems totally arbitrary to want to keep donuts and deep-fried snickers bars legal.
That is way flawed, you can't compare a less dangerous thing to a more dangerous thing and use that as logic for making both legal, doesn't work that way.MoonMarvel
I coulden't care less if its dangerous. People own their own bodies and should be allowed to do with them whatever the hell they please.
And as long as those things harm society and run up health care costs no you can't, also you know nothing about Meth, making it legal makes it easier for them to get it not harder and keeps people on it from getting off. Black Market? HA! I have met Meth addicts, none of them commit crimes and I doubt you know how many do.MoonMarvelMoonmarvel, drug prohibition harms society more than drug addiction could probably ever harm society. Drug kingpins are seen as the highest persons on the social order in inner-city culture. in some cities, half of all property crimes (theft, robbery, burglary) are committed by drug users. There would be almost none of this if all drugs were legalized. I forgot to mention that Drug prohibition greatly helps drug cartels. Small guys can't get into the cocaine business without purchasing cocaine which ultimately comes from Drug Cartels in Colombia and Mexico. If Drugs were legalized, they could be sold by legal corporations and could have enourmous taxes on them, which would ultimately bring in huge government revenues.
[QUOTE="rob1101"][QUOTE="best-gam3r"]The fact that a plant is illegal is absurd in the first place. The legalization of marijuana should be soon after followed by feeling ashamed of ourselves.... I mean seriously.illegalimigrantlol yea that is a given. The plant is the most harmless recreational drug there is yet acohol and tobacco are legal. Personally I think all drugs should be legal and regulated like alcohol and tobacco. You are right we should ban alcohol and tobacco. I will support that ban as it only causes harm to society. you can't POSSIBLY be serious. Do you really think tobacco and alcohol should be banned?
That scares me. I'd hate to fly on an airplane controlled by pilots that were smoking angel dust the night before.all drugs should be legalized,or at bare minimum drug laws should be handled by the states. Crime rates in inner cities would plummet as drug kingpins collapse and reputable companies take over the drug market.
danwallacefan
If acohol and tobacco is legal so should Marijuana.
Ummmm....You do know Tabacco was seen as harmless not that long ago right? So you might not want to use that one. whats your point? it has been proven time and time again that Marijuana is less harmful then acohol and tobacco. Yet which two are legal even though they can be very dangerous to public health.Well apparently not.[QUOTE="rob1101"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] Ummmm....You do know Tabacco was seen as harmless not that long ago right? So you might not want to use that one.supa_badmanwhats your point? it has been proven time and time again that Marijuana is less harmful then acohol and tobacco. Yet which two are legal even though they can be very dangerous to public health.Well apparently not. Even if pound for pound marijuana smoke was worse then cigarette smoke, each cigarette weighs in at about 1 gram. a pack a day smoker will therefore smoke around 20 grams. That's 2-4 weeks worth of smoke for a heavy marijuana user and months and months for a recreational user.
[QUOTE="rob1101"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] Ummmm....You do know Tabacco was seen as harmless not that long ago right? So you might not want to use that one.supa_badmanwhats your point? it has been proven time and time again that Marijuana is less harmful then acohol and tobacco. Yet which two are legal even though they can be very dangerous to public health.Well apparently not.This one is more recent
[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]
what's wrong with that? Obesity and heart disease kill WAAAY more people than illicit drugs. If you want to outlaw drugs, it seems totally arbitrary to want to keep donuts and deep-fried snickers bars legal.
? You can't make something illegal because one idiot uses it against the direct intent of the product. If you were than make glue illegal. People ARE using Meth the way intended. Your comparing apples to oranges and that never works.
[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]That is way flawed, you can't compare a less dangerous thing to a more dangerous thing and use that as logic for making both legal, doesn't work that way.danwallacefan
I coulden't care less if its dangerous. People own their own bodies and should be allowed to do with them whatever the hell they please.
Not when it harms society and raises health care costs to the average consumer.
And as long as those things harm society and run up health care costs no you can't, also you know nothing about Meth, making it legal makes it easier for them to get it not harder and keeps people on it from getting off. Black Market? HA! I have met Meth addicts, none of them commit crimes and I doubt you know how many do.MoonMarvelMoonmarvel, drug prohibition harms society more than drug addiction could probably ever harm society. Drug kingpins are seen as the highest persons on the social order in inner-city culture. in some cities, half of all property crimes (theft, robbery, burglary) are committed by drug users. There would be almost none of this if all drugs were legalized. I forgot to mention that Drug prohibition greatly helps drug cartels. Small guys can't get into the cocaine business without purchasing cocaine which ultimately comes from Drug Cartels in Colombia and Mexico. If Drugs were legalized, they could be sold by legal corporations and could have enourmous taxes on them, which would ultimately bring in huge government revenues.
Danwallacefan...See saying a name doesn't work. Keeping drugs illegal doesn't harm anyone, its the drugs themselves that cause the problem. All making it legal will do is allow these metheads to get their hit legally without fear, legallity has no bearing on addiction it never has. I also doubt you know much about inner city culture as I have been in there and disagree with you on whole. Also underline drug users, remember those crimes are crimes in their own right, making the drug legal won't stop them from committing another crime so that logic fails. You seem to think if we make drugs legal all those cimes will magically vanish into thin air....Fail there as again legal status has no bearing on additiction and those would be addicts and in jail anyway for other crimes. I don't care about money, I care about peoples health and lowering health care costs. Nobody should get into the business of harming other people, and putting sellers and users in rehabilitation and the suppliers in jail will help as will anti-poverty programs.
Is this over now?
[QUOTE="supa_badman"][QUOTE="rob1101"] whats your point? it has been proven time and time again that Marijuana is less harmful then acohol and tobacco. Yet which two are legal even though they can be very dangerous to public health.rob1101Well apparently not.This one is more recent More study is still needed.
[QUOTE="supa_badman"][QUOTE="rob1101"] whats your point? it has been proven time and time again that Marijuana is less harmful then acohol and tobacco. Yet which two are legal even though they can be very dangerous to public health.rob1101Well apparently not.This one is more recentThis one even more so any difference? i guess we'll never know. scientists keep coming back at eachother constantly. in the lawful sense marijuana would be more dangerous considering its illegal.
[QUOTE="DjCristii"]weed is still harmful, why make it legal?Infinite-Zr0$$$ Not really a valid reason.
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