Who else is optimistic that marijuana prohibition could end by 2011?

Marijuana is a deteriorating drug andhas been scientifically proven to destroy the brain at a shocking rate.

Marijuana has actually been the reason for murder and theft and more immoral activities that I cannot mention here.

calvinsora

1.Really?

2. Don't you think that the murder and theft would stop once people could get marijuana from legal, legitimate sources than from violent drug dealers from Mexico and South America?

I just want to say we shouldn't need a valid reason to make it legal. You should need a valid reason to keep it illegal. Why should you have the right to tell me what I can smoke or drink in my own home? If I'm not harming anyone other than myself then why should you have the right to ban me from using it?

It's a simple matter of personal freedom. Nothing more, nothing less. If I want to smoke pot I should have the right to do that. Your opinion on whether it's good or bad for me or anyone doesn't matter at all. It all goes back to personal freedom. It should be my right to what I want to with my life as long as I'm not harming anyone else. If someone ends up killing another person in a car accident because they were high, then they should go to prison. We already have those laws for a good reason and I'm all for them. But there is NO reason why I shouldn't be legally allowed to sit in my own house and smoke some pot whenever the hell I want to.

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Marijuana is a deteriorating drug andhas been scientifically proven to destroy the brain at a shocking rate.

Marijuana has actually been the reason for murder and theft and more immoral activities that I cannot mention here.

1.Really?

2. Don't you think that the murder and theft would stop once people could get marijuana from legal, legitimate sources than from violent drug dealers from Mexico and South America?

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Marijuana is a deteriorating drug andhas been scientifically proven to destroy the brain at a shocking rate.

Marijuana has actually been the reason for murder and theft and more immoral activities that I cannot mention here.

1.Really?

2. Don't you think that the murder and theft would stop once people could get marijuana from legal, legitimate sources than from violent drug dealers from Mexico and South America?

Legalizing marijuana is a stupid idea. Marijuana is a deteriorating drug andhas been scientifically proven to destroy the brain at a shocking rate. It alsohas many substitutes in the medical field, so even as a pain reliever it can be done without. Why don't we legalizeheroinwhile we're at it? Personally, I want tobacco illegalized, but the reason smoking is allowed is that it's mostly harmful to the user. Marijuana has actually been the reason for murder and theft and more immoral activities that I cannot mention here. What's even more ridiculous is that people want it legallized. It's just irrational.

calvinsora

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Marijuana is a deteriorating drug andhas been scientifically proven to destroy the brain at a shocking rate.

Marijuana has actually been the reason for murder and theft and more immoral activities that I cannot mention here.

pis3rch

1.Really?

2. Don't you think that the murder and theft would stop once people could get marijuana from legal, legitimate sources than from violent drug dealers from Mexico and South America?

1. As my dad is a doctor, he should know pretty well the effects of marijuana. It DOES destroy the brain. This isn't a theory, it's fact.

2. The violent drug dealers are another story entirely. I'm talking about everything that happens when some unstable people are under influence of marijuana, hallucinations and paranoia for example. DUI's ending in tragedy, irrational suicides and more have all happened under the influence of marijuana.

1. As my dad is a doctor, he should know pretty well the effects of marijuana. It DOES destroy the brain. This isn't a theory, it's fact.

2. The violent drug dealers are another story entirely. I'm talking about everything that happens when some unstable people are under influence of marijuana, hallucinations and paranoia for example. DUI's ending in tragedy, irrational suicides and more have all happened under the influence of marijuana.

calvinsora

No offense, but a doctor does not equal a scientist. I'll take the scientists word over a medical doctors. The scientists are the ones who do the research that the doctors can benefit from. As for your #2, you don't hallucinate on marijuana. Irrational suicides and stupid accidents happen all the time even when drugs are not being used. Did you know that tired drivers kill more people than high or drunk drivers? How many people have died because someone was messing with their radio or talking on the phone while driving? It's all besides the point anyway since it's not an issue of health or safety. We already have laws in regards to the safety and making it legal or keeping it illegal won't change that. As for the health aspect, as I said before, it's a matter of personal freedom. If I want to destroy my brain that should be my right.

Just in time for the end of the world. At least we won't have to suffer through the downfall of America. --Because that's what most likely going to occur after everyone starts using marijuana on a daily basis. We might as well just nuke ourselves.

The status quo of USA's illegal drug regulations shouldn't be destroyed. As it is right now, a very limited portion of the population bothers to find drug sources--but that's because it's not as easy as it look. Once we could legally buy it at drug stores--without prescriptions--the American populace is ******.

Unless, of course, any one of you can honestly say that alcohol and tobacco (and maybe even McDonald) is "good." (Apart from the monetary compensation the big businesses are rewarded--which help run this country.)

Just in time for the end of the world. At least we won't have to suffer through the downfall of America. --Because that's what most likely going to occur after everyone starts using marijuana on a daily basis. We might as well just nuke ourselves.

The status quo of USA's illegal drug regulations shouldn't be destroyed. As it is right now, a very limited portion of the population bothers to find drug sources--but that's because it's not as easy as it look. Once we could legally buy it at drug stores--without prescriptions--the American populace is ******.

Unless, of course, any one of you can honestly say that alcohol and tobacco (and maybe even McDonald) is "good." (Apart from the monetary compensation the big businesses are rewarded--which help run this country.)

a55assin

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]1. As my dad is a doctor, he should know pretty well the effects of marijuana. It DOES destroy the brain. This isn't a theory, it's fact.

2. The violent drug dealers are another story entirely. I'm talking about everything that happens when some unstable people are under influence of marijuana, hallucinations and paranoia for example. DUI's ending in tragedy, irrational suicides and more have all happened under the influence of marijuana.

bdever32

No offense, but a doctor does not equal a scientist. I'll take the scientists word over a medical doctors. The scientists are the ones who do the research that the doctors can benefit from. As for your #2, you don't hallucinate on marijuana. Irrational suicides and stupid accidents happen all the time even when drugs are not being used. Did you know that tired drivers kill more people than high or drunk drivers? How many people have died because someone was messing with their radio or talking on the phone while driving? It's all besides the point anyway since it's not an issue of health or safety. We already have laws in regards to the safety and making it legal or keeping it illegal won't change that. As for the health aspect, as I said before, it's a matter of personal freedom. If I want to destroy my brain that should be my right.

Well, for every article about how marijuana isn't harmful, you'll find one that says it is. Test subjects vary wildly in capability and stability. One guy can be completely nonplussed, while others fare much worse. As for the hallucination part, that may be a mistake on my part but I'm mainly happy I don't know the effects of marijuana. If people need drugs to feel good or be in "ecstasy", than I don't know wether to pity them or be mad at them, though the former is more likely. If we allow people to destroy their brains, like you say, then should we just let people fall into drug abuse, or commit suicide, or become an alcoholic? Rehab centers are there for a reason, you know. Anyway, on murders and such, you say they happen all the time, without drugs or not. Then wouldn't it be nice to reduce the number slightly? I would think so.

Well, for every article about how marijuana isn't harmful, you'll find one that says it is. Test subjects vary wildly in capability and stability. One guy can be completely nonplussed, while others fare much worse. As for the hallucination part, that may be a mistake on my part but I'm mainly happy I don't know the effects of marijuana. If people need drugs to feel good or be in "ecstasy", than I don't know wether to pity them or be mad at them, though the former is more likely. If we allow people to destroy their brains, like you say, then should we just let people fall into drug abuse, or commit suicide, or become an alcoholic? Rehab centers are there for a reason, you know. Anyway, on murders and such, you say they happen all the time, without drugs or not. Then wouldn't it be nice to reduce the number slightly? I would think so.calvinsora

[QUOTE="a55assin"]

Just in time for the end of the world. At least we won't have to suffer through the downfall of America. --Because that's what most likely going to occur after everyone starts using marijuana on a daily basis. We might as well just nuke ourselves.

The status quo of USA's illegal drug regulations shouldn't be destroyed. As it is right now, a very limited portion of the population bothers to find drug sources--but that's because it's not as easy as it look. Once we could legally buy it at drug stores--without prescriptions--the American populace is ******.

Unless, of course, any one of you can honestly say that alcohol and tobacco (and maybe even McDonald) is "good." (Apart from the monetary compensation the big businesses are rewarded--which help run this country.)

bdever32

Amsterdam is very close to being destroyed. It's on the top 10 least attractive places for me, personally. I agree, is anyone willing to say alcohol and tobacco is good? Answer that first, don't go pointing other stuff out first. Where's your proof that marijuana HASN'T been a negative impact on the community?

Amsterdam is very close to being destroyed. It's on the top 10 least attractive places for me, personally. I agree, is anyone willing to say alcohol and tobacco is good? Answer that first, don't go pointing other stuff out first. Where's your proof that marijuana HASN'T been a negative impact on the community?calvinsora

Edit: To answer your question. No, alcohol and tobacco are not good for you(aside from having a glass of wine every day). But it's not your place to tell people what they should or shouldn't be consuming.

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]Well, for every article about how marijuana isn't harmful, you'll find one that says it is. Test subjects vary wildly in capability and stability. One guy can be completely nonplussed, while others fare much worse. As for the hallucination part, that may be a mistake on my part but I'm mainly happy I don't know the effects of marijuana. If people need drugs to feel good or be in "ecstasy", than I don't know wether to pity them or be mad at them, though the former is more likely. If we allow people to destroy their brains, like you say, then should we just let people fall into drug abuse, or commit suicide, or become an alcoholic? Rehab centers are there for a reason, you know. Anyway, on murders and such, you say they happen all the time, without drugs or not. Then wouldn't it be nice to reduce the number slightly? I would think so.bdever32

Only marijuana would be legalized, not heroin, meth, angel dust etc. Drug dealers would still be there, selling other stuff. It's just one less drug to deal with.

I for one am with California and a few other state considering legalization.

rob1101

Only marijuana would be legalized, not heroin, meth, angel dust etc. Drug dealers would still be there, selling other stuff. It's just one less drug to deal with.

calvinsora

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Only marijuana would be legalized, not heroin, meth, angel dust etc. Drug dealers would still be there, selling other stuff. It's just one less drug to deal with.

bdever32

Most drug dealers sell multiple "brands". The same guys with the same employees would still be in business. One drug addiction often leads to another. As for Amsterdam, not all people smoke marijuana there, it's just the people who do that bother me.

[QUOTE="bdever32"][QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Only marijuana would be legalized, not heroin, meth, angel dust etc. Drug dealers would still be there, selling other stuff. It's just one less drug to deal with.

calvinsora

[QUOTE="rob1101"]

I for one am with California and a few other state considering legalization.

the_kidisblack

Most drug dealers sell multiple "brands". The same guys with the same employees would still be in business. One drug addiction often leads to another. As for Amsterdam, not all people smoke marijuana there, it's just the people who do that bother me.

calvinsora

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Most drug dealers sell multiple "brands". The same guys with the same employees would still be in business. One drug addiction often leads to another. As for Amsterdam, not all people smoke marijuana there, it's just the people who do that bother me.

bdever32

When I say that, of course I mean those who are blatantly "high" but nonetheless, I'm a guy who actually cares for the welfare of others. Maybe that's a bad thing.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="pis3rch"]

1.Really?

2. Don't you think that the murder and theft would stop once people could get marijuana from legal, legitimate sources than from violent drug dealers from Mexico and South America?

pis3rch

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

[QUOTE="bdever32"] guess what the number one cash crop is? There are more than twice as many marijuana users as there are of all the other illicit drugs combine. The cartels would surely be hurt. [QUOTE="the_kidisblack"][QUOTE="rob1101"]

I for one am with California and a few other state considering legalization.

rob1101

For evidence, see people in rehab. Read the news once in a while, you'll see people that have really been affected by marijuana. As for the drug dealers, sure, it will hurt their business (too bad for them) but they will still be there.

[QUOTE="bdever32"]

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Most drug dealers sell multiple "brands". The same guys with the same employees would still be in business. One drug addiction often leads to another. As for Amsterdam, not all people smoke marijuana there, it's just the people who do that bother me.

When I say that, of course I mean those who are blatantly "high" but nonetheless, I'm a guy who actually cares for the welfare of others. Maybe that's a bad thing.

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Most drug dealers sell multiple "brands". The same guys with the same employees would still be in business. One drug addiction often leads to another. As for Amsterdam, not all people smoke marijuana there, it's just the people who do that bother me.

bdever32

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[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] Ummmm....You do know Tabacco was seen as harmless not that long ago right? So you might not want to use that one.MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="bdever32"]

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Most drug dealers sell multiple "brands". The same guys with the same employees would still be in business. One drug addiction often leads to another. As for Amsterdam, not all people smoke marijuana there, it's just the people who do that bother me.

rob1101

Check my response first.

[QUOTE="bdever32"] I respect that you're against using marijuana, but you're painting with a wide brush here. You seem to believe there are addicted potheads and then "normal" people who would never use drugs ever. This is simply not the case. There are many people who use marijuana only occasionally, enjoy it when they use it and then go about their normal lives the rest of the time. Are you saying you would have a problem with someone like that?

When I say that, of course I mean those who are blatantly "high" but nonetheless, I'm a guy who actually cares for the welfare of others. Maybe that's a bad thing.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="-xPANICx-"]marijuana doesnt have harmful man made chemicals in it :roll:

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="calvinsora"]

When I say that, of course I mean those who are blatantly "high" but nonetheless, I'm a guy who actually cares for the welfare of others. Maybe that's a bad thing.

rob1101

You can't deny that marijuana has a negative impact on the body, at least on par with cigarettes?

there is a difference between caring for the welfare of others and telling people what they can and cannot due because of what you believe.rob1101

we had this exact conversation a week ago.

we had this exact conversation a week ago.

jimbojones_sw

[QUOTE="rob1101"][QUOTE="bdever32"] I respect that you're against using marijuana, but you're painting with a wide brush here. You seem to believe there are addicted potheads and then "normal" people who would never use drugs ever. This is simply not the case. There are many people who use marijuana only occasionally, enjoy it when they use it and then go about their normal lives the rest of the time. Are you saying you would have a problem with someone like that?

calvinsora

Check my response first.

[QUOTE="rob1101"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] I know, sometimes I feel like some think people who actually care about the welfare of others are worse than Hitlercalvinsora

You can't deny that marijuana has a negative impact on the body, at least on par with cigarettes?

[QUOTE="jimbojones_sw"]

we had this exact conversation a week ago.

MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="jimbojones_sw"]

we had this exact conversation a week ago.

jimbojones_sw

1. As my dad is a doctor, he should know pretty well the effects of marijuana. It DOES destroy the brain. This isn't a theory, it's fact.

2. The violent drug dealers are another story entirely. I'm talking about everything that happens when some unstable people are under influence of marijuana, hallucinations and paranoia for example. DUI's ending in tragedy, irrational suicides and more have all happened under the influence of marijuana.

calvinsora

Claiming the title of M.D. makes one an authority on drugs is a bit extreme. Second, congrats that your father is educated, but unfortunately you and your dad don't have the same brain! Research has proven that marijuana plays with the nurochemicals in the brain and extended use can affect the production of certain ones. Actual brain "destruction" is not usually the case.

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

[QUOTE="rob1101"] that is how the propaganda is they push marijuana into the 'hard core' drug group and make it seem as though there are only 'clean' stragit edge people and hardcore drug addict pot heads. There is a difference between drug use, drug abuse, drug addiction. You wouldn't classify someone that a drink after work on Fridays as an alcoholic would you?rob1101

Check my response first.

It is mentally addictive, however, and that is equally as bad. Also, if you want to read about the bad effects of marijuana, please go to this link:

http://www.addict-help.com/marijuana.asp

These people work with addicts and prevention of drugs, so I think they can be trusted in this matter. What the question really boils down to is WHY legalize marijuana? Why introduce another drug into the world, because some people want it? With that disposition, legalizing meth and angel dust and heroin and cocaine falls into the same category. Tobaccois bad enough.

[QUOTE="-xPANICx-"]

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] Tobacco doesn't need chemicals to cause cancer. :roll:MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

1. As my dad is a doctor, he should know pretty well the effects of marijuana. It DOES destroy the brain. This isn't a theory, it's fact.

2. The violent drug dealers are another story entirely. I'm talking about everything that happens when some unstable people are under influence of marijuana, hallucinations and paranoia for example. DUI's ending in tragedy, irrational suicides and more have all happened under the influence of marijuana.

Smoke89

Claiming the title of M.D. makes one an authority on drugs is a bit extreme. Second, congrats that your father is educated, but unfortunately you and your dad don't have the same brain! Research has proven that marijuana plays with the nurochemicals in the brain and extended use can affect the production of certain ones. Actual brain "destruction" is not usually the case.

I didn't literally mean destroyed. That would be silly. I did it more for dramatic effect. What I'm stating is that he's seen the effects of marijuana. One case is enough to show that it can happen.

Amsterdam is one city--and although soft drugs are technically legal across the whole of the Netherlands--the capital has an overwhelming advantage over all the other cities. And when I say "technically," I'm speaking of the limits that shadow the sales of marijuana--and the like. Dealing in the streets is still quite illegal. Just as is advertising the availability and sale of such drugs. That means that you won't be seeing any signs on stores that sell drugs--none at all. You have to be a local, know a local, or visit shop, after shop, after shop. There are many more limitations, of course, and the small size of the country makes them easy to enforce.

You simply cannot compare the Netherlands to the US. The former has a population of approximately 16 million. New York State has 19--and that's just one state.

Do you know where people would turn to in the time of crisis? And a crisis is approaching. Out economy isn't getting any better--not really. Our government is once again--unsurprisingly--breaking promises and making things worse. --They would turn to the next best thing after alcohol and tobacco--soft drugs. And some of those would go even higher up the ladder--to harder drugs; like cocaine. And inebriated people aren't great for the economy. The working class of Americans is the only thing holding the US together--so I do care what others use. Remember the depression? They had the same attitude as you do now--"Oh, hey, let them max out their credit cards, I don't care." Only a bit more refined.

I hate anything that proposes the chance of drawing you in and turning you into an addict--but I'd probably still have myself some legal marijuana if access was easy enough. And so would many, many others. I could picture it now . . .

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="-xPANICx-"]ok? considering how the harmful man made chemicals in the tobacco is what makes cigarettes so harmful, i would say marijuana is close to not being harmful at all.

Even if it does become legal, you dont have to smoke it. Its your choice.dimebagblues

[QUOTE="dimebagblues"]Even if it does become legal, you dont have to smoke it. Its your choice.MoonMarvel

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="dimebagblues"]Even if it does become legal, you dont have to smoke it. Its your choice.jimbojones_sw

[QUOTE="pis3rch"][QUOTE="MoonMarvel"] That article is from 2003. Update your info.MoonMarvel

Sorry, i took "update your info" way out of context and thought you were agreeing with him/arguing with me. My bad. Here's a more recent article that specifically quotes the previos study when discussing effects of marijuana on the brain for adults. Article

Personally I think marijuana should be legal and regulated like alcohol and tobacco.

I'm a little Libertarian on this issue.