Who has had the largest infulence on history?

Wow.....stop trying to change history. It is what it is. Again, the Jewish community lived a small area of the world. The Romans didn't tell them where to live....as a point of fact, do you even know where Mary's family lived....no. It's never mentioned. So stop with this incorrect assumption on which you base an erroneous opinion.

LJS9502_basic

The Romans condensed the Jewish community into that small area. After the Babylonian Captivity, the Jewish population was moved to Babylon and Israel was ransacked. The only people left were the Samaritans. Later, King Cyrus allowed them to return, however, the a large portion stayed in Babylon, as that was where they were born and the only place they knew. The few that did return scattered about all over, starting new lines and ethnicity (you have to remember how common incest was durning this time). Anyway, the Romans came along and conquered the area, condensing them all into a specific region for better control. They lived in a small are because of Rome, so there you have it.

Mario 8)...

no,but seriously 

 i have 2 groups/people i admire

Anyone whos survived the Holocaust

and Jesus. 

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

In this case, only the Bible tells that particular story. It doesn't back up what you said.

quiglythegreat

The Jewish leaders did want Him dead.  He was a threat to their way of life.  He had broken no Roman law.  Why would the Romans care?

also,Al Gore.

Without him,we never wouldof heard about Man-bear-pig :o 

quiglythegreat.....you most certainly don't know your history....sorry but it's true in this area anyways. :-)

Joeker501

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[QUOTE="mattyftm"]If you're going to go for a religious figure, I'd go for Moses, because the 10 commandments which he documented are the basic rules and building blocks for society, and to me that is a bigger influence than jesus even.mattyftm

Only problem is it was Jesus who gave Moses the 10 commandments...so it just goes back to Jesus once again.  :-)

Yes but jesus wasnt in human form at the time, therefore he is not a person so cannot be counted in the most influential person in history for this act.

LOL, that is true....my bad.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

No, actually you don't have any idea. You're trying to change history to suit your erroneous assumption that because Rome had a large civilization an individual wouldn't have been born without it. Not an accurate statement to make at all....and yet, you persist.

jointed

No he's not.  History is what it is....not what it could be.

History is what it is , but that's irrelevant to the discussion.....You two are discussing if jesus would have been born if the Roman empire never existed.....so your statement sounds more like a bad excuse too me

Let me put it to you this way.....Jesus was born....he can't prove that without the Roman Empire Jesus wouldn't have been born now can he?  No, logic is against him.  Therefore, his is wrong.  Completely and totally wrong.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

In this case, only the Bible tells that particular story. It doesn't back up what you said.

LJS9502_basic

The Jewish leaders did want Him dead. He was a threat to their way of life. He had broken no Roman law. Why would the Romans care?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

In this case, only the Bible tells that particular story. It doesn't back up what you said.

quiglythegreat

It makes total sense actually you got a mob of angry Jews wanting someone dead pilot was not just going to say no and provoke a rebellion. What was one mans life to pilot

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Wow.....stop trying to change history. It is what it is. Again, the Jewish community lived a small area of the world. The Romans didn't tell them where to live....as a point of fact, do you even know where Mary's family lived....no. It's never mentioned. So stop with this incorrect assumption on which you base an erroneous opinion.

that1guy435

The Romans condensed the Jewish community into that small area. After the Babylonian Captivity, the Jewish population was moved to Babylon and Israel was ransacked. The only people left were the Samaritans. Later, King Cyrus allowed them to return, however, the a large portion stayed in Babylon, as that was where they were born and the only place they knew. The few that did return scattered about all over, starting new lines and ethnicity (you have to remember how common incest was durning this time). Anyway, the Romans came along and conquered the area, condensing them all into a specific region for better control. They lived in a small are because of Rome, so there you have it.

You can recite history all you want.  But you CANNOT prove otherwise.  Case closed.

Mario 8)...

no,but seriously 

 i have 2 groups/people i admire

Anyone whos survived the Holocaust

and Jesus. 

Zap-O-Matic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

In this case, only the Bible tells that particular story. It doesn't back up what you said.

quiglythegreat

The Jewish leaders did want Him dead. He was a threat to their way of life. He had broken no Roman law. Why would the Romans care?

No,  HE didn't.  He was a carpenter....who became a preacher.  None of which was interesting to the Romans.

It makes total sense actually you got a mob of angry Jews wanting someone dead pilot was not just going to say no and provoke a rebellion. What was one mans life to pilot

SAURON221

No, HE didn't. He was a carpenter....who became a preacher. None of which was interesting to the Romans.

LJS9502_basic

You can recite history all you want. But you CANNOT prove otherwise. Case closed.

LJS9502_basic

Basically what you are trying to say is that if one of your parents was born in the Sudan and the other in the Bronx I wouldn't be able to proof you wouldn't have been born. Technichally, you're right. The odds would be so slim however, that you might as well be wrong. But, since you can't even proof without a doubt that Jesus existed in the firstplace, your argument is largely irrelivant.  

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

In this case, only the Bible tells that particular story. It doesn't back up what you said.

quiglythegreat

The Jewish leaders did want Him dead. He was a threat to their way of life. He had broken no Roman law. Why would the Romans care?

Umm your talking about Jesus right? Cause I have never heard Jesus being descendants of Philistines seeing as the Philistines were hated by the Jews

Jesus never intended there to be a religion founded in his name. He just spread the word of God through Judaism.foxhound_fox

You might want to read deeper into the Bible.

Historically speaking, Benjamin Franklin would be great, or Thomas Jefferson. They both lived great and historical lives. If I had your project, I would do either 1 of those 2.FR4NCH1SE

They only had an influence on one country....

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

You can recite history all you want. But you CANNOT prove otherwise. Case closed.

that1guy435

Basically what you are trying to say is that if one of your parents was born in the Sudan and the other in the Bronx I wouldn't be able to proof you wouldn't have been born. Technichally, you're right. The odds would be so slim however, that you might as well be wrong. But, since you can't even proof without a doubt that Jesus existed in the firstplace, your argument is largely irrelivant.  

Oh whether or not one wants to believe in the God aspect of Jesus....as a person, he did exist.

You might want to read deeper into the Bible.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Jesus never intended there to be a religion founded in his name. He just spread the word of God through Judaism.LJS9502_basic

You might want to read deeper into the Bible.

Oh whether or not one wants to believe in the God aspect of Jesus....as a person, he did exist.

LJS9502_basic

That's up for debate. Personally, I think there's more evidence to say he did than didn't, but many historians would disagree. Either way, that Jesus existed is less likely than his being born with grandparents living what might has well have been a light year away. 

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Oh whether or not one wants to believe in the God aspect of Jesus....as a person, he did exist.

that1guy435

That's up for debate. Personally, I think there's more evidence to say he did than didn't, but many historians would disagree. Either way, that Jesus existed is less likely than his being born with grandparents living what might has well have been a light year away. 

It's not actually debatable....just hard for some to believe.

I'd say LJS9502_basic.Ninja-Vox

Umm your talking about Jesus right? Cause I have never heard Jesus being descendants of Philistines seeing as the Philistines were hated by the Jews

SAURON221

Is it suddenly cool to kiss LJS9502_basic's ass?bastards12345

I think it was sarcasm......

Is it suddenly cool to kiss LJS9502_basic's ass?bastards12345

[QUOTE="bastards12345"]Is it suddenly cool to kiss LJS9502_basic's ass?LJS9502_basic

I think it was sarcasm......

Most likely. Though, it has been a fad here lately.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="bastards12345"]Is it suddenly cool to kiss LJS9502_basic's ass?bastards12345

I think it was sarcasm......

Most likely. Though, it has been a fad here lately.

I'm sorry....I hadn't noticed.  I only notice my trolls.  Disgusting creatures.:lol:

[QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="bastards12345"]Is it suddenly cool to kiss LJS9502_basic's ass?LJS9502_basic

I think it was sarcasm......

Most likely. Though, it has been a fad here lately.

I'm sorry....I hadn't noticed. I only notice my trolls. Disgusting creatures.:lol:

Send them back to Mordor. 

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Oh whether or not one wants to believe in the God aspect of Jesus....as a person, he did exist.

that1guy435

That's up for debate. Personally, I think there's more evidence to say he did than didn't, but many historians would disagree. Either way, that Jesus existed is less likely than his being born with grandparents living what might has well have been a light year away. 

I am guessing that you are joking for the sake of getting an argument or a response?  If in fact you really do believe that Jesus might not have ever existed, I would assume that you believed someone who would have had to have had a very low IQ.  Even the most well know Athiests who make a living debating Christianity know that Jesus in fact did exist.

I hope you are kidding, cause I would be imbarrassed for you if you really did believe that.  If you really do believe that, I wouldn't tell too many people, cause you look silly.  Just being honest man.

How about mc donalds has served way more than that number lol

I would pick, for US history I would either pick washington or Lincoln. Washington helped establish the US. On the other hand, Lincoln saved the Union from being seperated into a confederate and Union split on the Maxon Dixon line...But whatever suits you...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="bastards12345"]Is it suddenly cool to kiss LJS9502_basic's ass?bastards12345

I think it was sarcasm......

Most likely. Though, it has been a fad here lately.

I'm sorry....I hadn't noticed. I only notice my trolls. Disgusting creatures.:lol:

Send them back to Mordor.

This is SPPAARRRTTTTAAAAA!!! *kicks trolls in bottomless hole* 

[QUOTE="that1guy435"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Oh whether or not one wants to believe in the God aspect of Jesus....as a person, he did exist.

Joeker501

That's up for debate. Personally, I think there's more evidence to say he did than didn't, but many historians would disagree. Either way, that Jesus existed is less likely than his being born with grandparents living what might has well have been a light year away.

I am guessing that you are joking for the sake of getting an argument or a response? If in fact you really do believe that Jesus might not have ever existed, I would assume that you believed someone who would have had to have had a very low IQ. Even the most well know Athiests who make a living debating Christianity know that Jesus in fact did exist.

I hope you are kidding, cause I would be imbarrassed for you if you really did believe that. If you really do believe that, I wouldn't tell too many people, cause you look silly. Just being honest man.

Look, infallible proof that Jesus existed! :o

[QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="bastards12345"]Is it suddenly cool to kiss LJS9502_basic's ass?freakyzeeky1986

I think it was sarcasm......

Most likely. Though, it has been a fad here lately.

I'm sorry....I hadn't noticed. I only notice my trolls. Disgusting creatures.:lol:

Send them back to Mordor.

This is SPPAARRRTTTTAAAAA!!! *kicks trolls in bottomless hole* 

the winners

[QUOTE="Joeker501"][QUOTE="that1guy435"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Oh whether or not one wants to believe in the God aspect of Jesus....as a person, he did exist.

bastards12345

That's up for debate. Personally, I think there's more evidence to say he did than didn't, but many historians would disagree. Either way, that Jesus existed is less likely than his being born with grandparents living what might has well have been a light year away.

I am guessing that you are joking for the sake of getting an argument or a response? If in fact you really do believe that Jesus might not have ever existed, I would assume that you believed someone who would have had to have had a very low IQ. Even the most well know Athiests who make a living debating Christianity know that Jesus in fact did exist.

I hope you are kidding, cause I would be imbarrassed for you if you really did believe that. If you really do believe that, I wouldn't tell too many people, cause you look silly. Just being honest man.

Look, infallible proof that Jesus existed! :o