Who killed Jesus Christ and why?

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]You're "sure"? That doesnt mean It's concrete.123625

Don't watch it for all I care, but don't give me any crap about Jesus not existing untill you've gone over all the evidence and proved that Jesus most likely did not exist.

I would do the honour of watching it and judge for myself. And there the film deals with historical evidence provided by ancient historians.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Well what does that verse mean to you then? The Jewish spiritual leaders were pretty much representatives of the people anyway.

battlefront23

It means a bunch of sad, stupid people made a sad, stupid mistake. . . 2,000 years ago.

Many of the Jews followed Christ. Were the Pharisees representatives of them as well?

No. But I believe the mistake of a few Jews affected all Jews. I just take it as it's said; how else would it be taken anyway?

Ezek 18:19-20.

I didn't see any "proof". I only saw assumptions, by a fake historian on Youtube.Vilot_Hero

The guy never claims to be a historian, and he's only using the writings of ancient historians who knew Jesus existed....

I didn't see any "proof". I only saw assumptions, by a fake historian on Youtube.Vilot_Hero

This really shows just how tolerant you are of other people's beliefs. (No offense intended.)

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Well what does that verse mean to you then? The Jewish spiritual leaders were pretty much representatives of the people anyway.

Shad0ki11

It means a bunch of sad, stupid people made a sad, stupid mistake. . . 2,000 years ago.

Many of the Jews followed Christ. Were the Pharisees representatives of them as well?

No. But I believe the mistake of a few Jews affected all Jews. I just take it as it's said; how else would it be taken anyway?

Ezek 18:19-20.

That passage would refute my claim IF the Jewish leaders simply stated let His blood be on us. But they also said our children. It has nothing to do with how they our viewed by God but how they are viewed by man.

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]I didn't see any "proof". I only saw assumptions, by a fake historian on Youtube.123625

The guy never claims to be a historian, and he's only using the writings of ancient historians who knew Jesus existed....

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]You're "sure"? That doesnt mean It's concrete.Vilot_Hero

Don't watch it for all I care, but don't give me any crap about Jesus not existing untill you've gone over all the evidence and proved that Jesus most likely did not exist.

I would do the honour of watching it and judge for myself. And there the film deals with historical evidence provided by ancient historians.

[QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]I didn't see any "proof". I only saw assumptions, by a fake historian on Youtube.Vilot_Hero

The guy never claims to be a historian, and he's only using the writings of ancient historians who knew Jesus existed....

Why would SO MANY of them lie? Did you see all the historians that Theo posted? In fact for many of them it would've been more convenient if they actually stated He didn't exist.

[QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]I didn't see any "proof". I only saw assumptions, by a fake historian on Youtube.Vilot_Hero

The guy never claims to be a historian, and he's only using the writings of ancient historians who knew Jesus existed....

Prove it, instead of saying "could have" which is a blind assumpition based on your biased position.

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Well what does that verse mean to you then? The Jewish spiritual leaders were pretty much representatives of the people anyway.

battlefront23

It means a bunch of sad, stupid people made a sad, stupid mistake. . . 2,000 years ago.

Many of the Jews followed Christ. Were the Pharisees representatives of them as well?

No. But I believe the mistake of a few Jews affected all Jews. I just take it as it's said; how else would it be taken anyway?

Ezek 18:19-20.

That passage would refute my claim IF the Jewish leaders simply stated let His blood be on us. But they also said our children. It has nothing to do with how they our viewed by God but how they are viewed by man.

Satan travelled back in time and did it because he couldn't defeat the future Jesus of his time.....wait that's the plot of my novel....LAZZOR

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Well what does that verse mean to you then? The Jewish spiritual leaders were pretty much representatives of the people anyway.

efrucht

It means a bunch of sad, stupid people made a sad, stupid mistake. . . 2,000 years ago.

Many of the Jews followed Christ. Were the Pharisees representatives of them as well?

No. But I believe the mistake of a few Jews affected all Jews. I just take it as it's said; how else would it be taken anyway?

Ezek 18:19-20.

That passage would refute my claim IF the Jewish leaders simply stated let His blood be on us. But they also said our children. It has nothing to do with how they our viewed by God but how they are viewed by man.

Exactly. Jesus and God never said that; the Jews did. So if God gave them what they stated they wanted it (or at least what they stated they didn't care about) wouldn't make him full of vengeance at all, would it? I may be wrong in this intrepretation but it makes sense to me. :P

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]I didn't see any "proof". I only saw assumptions, by a fake historian on Youtube.battlefront23

The guy never claims to be a historian, and he's only using the writings of ancient historians who knew Jesus existed....

Why would SO MANY of them lie? Did you see all the historians that Theo posted? In fact for many of them it would've been more convenient if they actually stated He didn't exist.

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]I didn't see any "proof". I only saw assumptions, by a fake historian on Youtube.123625

The guy never claims to be a historian, and he's only using the writings of ancient historians who knew Jesus existed....

Prove it, instead of saying "could have" which is a blind assumpition based on your biased position.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]I didn't see any "proof". I only saw assumptions, by a fake historian on Youtube.Vilot_Hero

The guy never claims to be a historian, and he's only using the writings of ancient historians who knew Jesus existed....

Why would SO MANY of them lie? Did you see all the historians that Theo posted? In fact for many of them it would've been more convenient if they actually stated He didn't exist.

You talk about wanting proof and such. Let's see how you like a piece of your own medicine; give me proof why I shouldn't believe what these historians said.

And I'm suppose to believe a Youtube video?Vilot_Hero

Your to go over the evidence presented in their claims and see for yourself. Otherwise, don't bother saying Jesus didn't exist.

Most of them probably lied, just to fit in with every other historian.Vilot_Hero

Their entire works must be a lie as well then, obviously because you said.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]I didn't see any "proof". I only saw assumptions, by a fake historian on Youtube.Vilot_Hero

The guy never claims to be a historian, and he's only using the writings of ancient historians who knew Jesus existed....

Why would SO MANY of them lie? Did you see all the historians that Theo posted? In fact for many of them it would've been more convenient if they actually stated He didn't exist.

Harrid tried to kill him as a baby but that didn't work out. Later on the Romans did some stuff and then made Jesus carry his deathbed on his back.GamerBoy53

harrid, who is this? and how did he come about to thirst for the blood of a new born baby?

[QUOTE="GamerBoy53"]Harrid tried to kill him as a baby but that didn't work out. Later on the Romans did some stuff and then made Jesus carry his deathbed on his back.-theCHUD-

harrid, who is this? and how did he come about to thirst for the blood of a new born baby?

Harod (Or maybe Hared?) was the Jewish leader who heard rumors about Jesus being the king of the Jews. He tried and failed to kill Him.

[QUOTE="efrucht"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Well what does that verse mean to you then? The Jewish spiritual leaders were pretty much representatives of the people anyway.

battlefront23

It means a bunch of sad, stupid people made a sad, stupid mistake. . . 2,000 years ago.

Many of the Jews followed Christ. Were the Pharisees representatives of them as well?

No. But I believe the mistake of a few Jews affected all Jews. I just take it as it's said; how else would it be taken anyway?

Ezek 18:19-20.

That passage would refute my claim IF the Jewish leaders simply stated let His blood be on us. But they also said our children. It has nothing to do with how they our viewed by God but how they are viewed by man.

Exactly. Jesus and God never said that; the Jews did. So if God gave them what they stated they wanted it (or at least what they stated they didn't care about) wouldn't make him full of vengeance at all, would it? I may be wrong in this intrepretation but it makes sense to me. :P

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="efrucht"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Well what does that verse mean to you then? The Jewish spiritual leaders were pretty much representatives of the people anyway.

efrucht

It means a bunch of sad, stupid people made a sad, stupid mistake. . . 2,000 years ago.

Many of the Jews followed Christ. Were the Pharisees representatives of them as well?

No. But I believe the mistake of a few Jews affected all Jews. I just take it as it's said; how else would it be taken anyway?

Ezek 18:19-20.

That passage would refute my claim IF the Jewish leaders simply stated let His blood be on us. But they also said our children. It has nothing to do with how they our viewed by God but how they are viewed by man.

Exactly. Jesus and God never said that; the Jews did. So if God gave them what they stated they wanted it (or at least what they stated they didn't care about) wouldn't make him full of vengeance at all, would it? I may be wrong in this intrepretation but it makes sense to me. :P

God doesn't persecute the Jews; Gentiles persecute the Jews.

I did not have a chance to read any of the responses but the Jews wanted to kill Jesus for blasphemy - he claimed to be God (to claim to be the Son of God was a claim to be equal to God as the Jews understood it. Read Psalms 2).

The Jews were able to have Pilate execute Jesus because if they didn't there would be great civil disorder. Pilate's job was to maintain civil order and in order to keep his position he had to do whatever necessary to keep that order. He basically didn't want a riot on his hands.

I suppose Pilate's motive in doing what the Pharisees said could be debated but the fact he did what they said is less debated.

I find it interesting that the only time Pilate is ever mentioned in Roman records is in reference to Jesus' execution...

A lot of people seem to believe that the Jews had a lot of say and influence on Rome and Pilate to put jesus to death, but if history of jews has taught me anything, its that their voice was rarely ever listened to.

so please someone clarify, why did rome/pilate want jesus dead? what did he do? did the jews have any influence on the sentencing of jesus?

-theCHUD-

Your assuming Jesus was real.

Instead of arguing, let's all take a lesson from the band Judas Priest:

"We should learn to live and simply let it be."

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]Most of them probably lied, just to fit in with every other historian.123625

Their entire works must be a lie as well then, obviously because you said.

God doesn't persecute the Jews; Gentiles persecute the Jews.

battlefront23

[QUOTE="-theCHUD-"]

A lot of people seem to believe that the Jews had a lot of say and influence on Rome and Pilate to put jesus to death, but if history of jews has taught me anything, its that their voice was rarely ever listened to.

so please someone clarify, why did rome/pilate want jesus dead? what did he do? did the jews have any influence on the sentencing of jesus?

Lord-Nerevar

Your assuming Jesus was real.

Most legitimate historians do too...

Instead of arguing, let's all take a lesson from the band Judas Priest:

"We should learn to live and simply let it be."

harashawn

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

God doesn't persecute the Jews; Gentiles persecute the Jews.

efrucht

I know. But more wars have been caused by non-religious reasons then religious.

[QUOTE="efrucht"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

God doesn't persecute the Jews; Gentiles persecute the Jews.

battlefront23

I know. But more wars have been caused by non-religious reasons then religious.

I killed Jesus. I have no good reason.Genetic_Code

Technically speaking we all did. :wink:

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="efrucht"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

God doesn't persecute the Jews; Gentiles persecute the Jews.

efrucht

I know. But more wars have been caused by non-religious reasons then religious.

Simply put religions don't cause wars; men cause wars.

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]I killed Jesus. I have no good reason.mindstorm

Technically speaking we all did. :wink:

Hey, my relationship with Jesus is between me and him. Stay out of our business. :x

[QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]Most of them probably lied, just to fit in with every other historian.Vilot_Hero

Their entire works must be a lie as well then, obviously because you said.

Sigh...

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]Most of them probably lied, just to fit in with every other historian.123625

Their entire works must be a lie as well then, obviously because you said.

Sigh...

What is there to sigh about? I don't see any facts, but a bunch of fake historians saying Jesus was real.Vilot_Hero

Ironic. You're falsely accusing historians of being false.

iki

What is there to sigh about? I don't see any facts, but a bunch of fake historians saying Jesus was real.Vilot_Hero

Bangs head against brick* They... Were... Real... Historians who are well trusted. Prime examples being Josephus and Tacticus.

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]What is there to sigh about? I don't see any facts, but a bunch of fake historians saying Jesus was real.harashawn

Ironic. You're falsely accusing historians of being false.

Historians can be incorrect:| Not everything they say is true. Have you seen Training Day? It's not what you know. It's what you can prove.Vilot_Hero

So are more GameSpot posters.

[QUOTE="harashawn"]

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]What is there to sigh about? I don't see any facts, but a bunch of fake historians saying Jesus was real.Vilot_Hero

Ironic. You're falsely accusing historians of being false.

Then you will aggree that its up to you to prove these well respected historians wrong, with another reason than simply "guessing" they're wrong.

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]Historians can be incorrect:| Not everything they say is true. Have you seen Training Day? It's not what you know. It's what you can prove.Genetic_Code

So are more GameSpot posters.

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]Historians can be incorrect:| Not everything they say is true. Have you seen Training Day? It's not what you know. It's what you can prove.Vilot_Hero

So are more GameSpot posters.

I think domatron is very intelligent, but to say that he's intelligent than most historians I would say is an overstatement. I haven't heard of biggest_loser.

Edit: Nevermind, I just noticed he's on my friends list. :?

Domatron isn't brainwashed by the history of jesus, so that makes his opinions valid.Vilot_Hero

Brainwashed or well versed? Domatron has only read the first few pages of Genesis.

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]

[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"]Historians can be incorrect:| Not everything they say is true. Have you seen Training Day? It's not what you know. It's what you can prove.Vilot_Hero

So are more GameSpot posters.

I think domatron is very intelligent, but to say that he's intelligent than most historians I would say is an overstatement. I haven't heard of Biggest_Loser.

So in otherwords... because he agrees with you he is correct?

Domatron isn't brainwashed by the history of jesus, so that makes his opinions valid.Vilot_Hero

You are really beginning to anger me. I would say something to you, but I don't feel like getting suspended.

Domatron isn't brainwashed by the history of jesus, so that makes his opinions valid.Vilot_Hero

I can't recall Domatron ever mentioning the History of Jesus.

Edit: except his thread on the descendants from Adam to Jesus, and that isn't even the main point of it, as I recall.