Who would win: Gandalf and Dumbledore?

You're piutting a zombie mage against a homosexual wizard? Gandalf fo' sure.

The Harry potter universe has a wider range of spells. For almost every situation. He would just use that gren one hit kill spell or that torture curse.

Mercenary848

IMO.

You're piutting a zombie mage against a homosexual wizard? Gandalf fo' sure.

pvtdonut54

The Harry potter universe has a wider range of spells. For almost every situation. He would just use that gren one hit kill spell or that torture curse.

Mercenary848

Watch the extended versions of LotR. Gandalf blocks the Balrog's sword in full swing with a shield. Gandalf would literally eat the spell, and poop it out like it was a Middle Earth cheeseburger. Mmmm...

Plus ifvoldermort can come bak Dumbledore most likely could if he wanted too. Wait didn't he drink some kind of Unicorn blood in the first.

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The Harry potter universe has a wider range of spells. For almost every situation. He would just use that gren one hit kill spell or that torture curse.

Teenaged

IMO.

That just kind of proves who the better Wizard is ;) .

That just kind of proves who the better Wizard is ;) .

Mercenary848

Actually it proves nothing because Gandalf could deflect it. ;)

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[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

The Harry potter universe has a wider range of spells. For almost every situation. He would just use that gren one hit kill spell or that torture curse.

Mercenary848

IMO.

That just kind of proves who the better Wizard is ;) .

Plus ifvoldermort can come bak Dumbledore most likely could if he wanted too. Wait didn't he drink some kind of Unicorn blood in the first.

Mercenary848

Plus ifvoldermort can come bak Dumbledore most likely could if he wanted too. Wait didn't he drink some kind of Unicorn blood in the first.

Mercenary848

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The Harry potter universe has a wider range of spells. For almost every situation. He would just use that gren one hit kill spell or that torture curse.

LikeHaterade

Watch the extended versions of LotR. Gandalf blocks the Balrog's sword in full swing with a shield. Gandalf would literally eat the spell, and poop it out like it was a Middle Earth cheeseburger. Mmmm...

If it hits him its over, Dumbledore would of just did what Ron did to the Troll in the first book. Make his weapon float with a simple levitation and drop it on the Balrog. I read the irst 4 in fith grade, never got int LOTR.

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Plus ifvoldermort can come bak Dumbledore most likely could if he wanted too. Wait didn't he drink some kind of Unicorn blood in the first.

aaronmullan

That is why I said if he wanted to, he did not want to live forever. I am just saying he cold easily do it if he needed to.

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[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

The Harry potter universe has a wider range of spells. For almost every situation. He would just use that gren one hit kill spell or that torture curse.

Mercenary848

Watch the extended versions of LotR. Gandalf blocks the Balrog's sword in full swing with a shield. Gandalf would literally eat the spell, and poop it out like it was a Middle Earth cheeseburger. Mmmm...

If it hits him its over, Dumbledore would of just did what Ron did to the Troll in the first book. Make his weapon float with a simple levitation and drop it on the Balrog. I read the irst 4 in fith grade, never got int LOTR.

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]But that easiness is what makes it kinda "cheap".

IMO.

Teenaged

That just kind of proves who the better Wizard is ;) .

If he has spells that could easily kill gandolf that would jut prove that he is the better wizard. Even if it seemed cheap.

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[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

The Harry potter universe has a wider range of spells. For almost every situation. He would just use that gren one hit kill spell or that torture curse.

Mercenary848

Watch the extended versions of LotR. Gandalf blocks the Balrog's sword in full swing with a shield. Gandalf would literally eat the spell, and poop it out like it was a Middle Earth cheeseburger. Mmmm...

If it hits him its over, Dumbledore would of just did what Ron did to the Troll in the first book. Make his weapon float with a simple levitation and drop it on the Balrog. I read the irst 4 in fith grade, never got int LOTR.

But it wouldn't hit him. His staff is what he needed to hold back the Balrog dude, along with levitate a weapon. When he lost it after the fall, he had to use the sword the way it was meant to be used, along with a little bit of lightning from the finger tips, infusing the sword with electricity.

EDIT:Not to mention the levitation being a waste of time due to the fact that a bump on the head with a weapon wouldn't scratch a Balrog. Not sure how it works in Harry Potter's world...

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[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

Watch the extended versions of LotR. Gandalf blocks the Balrog's sword in full swing with a shield. Gandalf would literally eat the spell, and poop it out like it was a Middle Earth cheeseburger. Mmmm...

aaronmullan

If it hits him its over, Dumbledore would of just did what Ron did to the Troll in the first book. Make his weapon float with a simple levitation and drop it on the Balrog. I read the irst 4 in fith grade, never got int LOTR.

If his sword landed on his head likely yeah. It looked like it could damage him.

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If it hits him its over, Dumbledore would of just did what Ron did to the Troll in the first book. Make his weapon float with a simple levitation and drop it on the Balrog. I read the irst 4 in fith grade, never got int LOTR.

Mercenary848

If his sword landed on his head likely yeah. It looked like it could damage him.

Wrong. Read my previous post. It took a small army of elves to kill one.

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[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

That just kind of proves who the better Wizard is ;) .

Mercenary848

If he has spells that could easily kill gandolf that would jut prove that he is the better wizard. Even if it seemed cheap.

See how cheapness shows who is the greatest. ;)

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If it hits him its over, Dumbledore would of just did what Ron did to the Troll in the first book. Make his weapon float with a simple levitation and drop it on the Balrog. I read the irst 4 in fith grade, never got int LOTR.

Mercenary848

If his sword landed on his head likely yeah. It looked like it could damage him.

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[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

Watch the extended versions of LotR. Gandalf blocks the Balrog's sword in full swing with a shield. Gandalf would literally eat the spell, and poop it out like it was a Middle Earth cheeseburger. Mmmm...

LikeHaterade

If it hits him its over, Dumbledore would of just did what Ron did to the Troll in the first book. Make his weapon float with a simple levitation and drop it on the Balrog. I read the irst 4 in fith grade, never got int LOTR.

But it wouldn't hit him. His staff is what he needed to hold back the Balrog dude, along with levitate a weapon. When he lost it after the fall, he had to use the sword the way it was meant to be used, along with a little bit of lightning from the finger tips, infusing the sword with electricity.

EDIT:Not to mention the levitation being a waste of time due to the fact that a bump on the head with a weapon would kill a Balrog. Not sure how it works in Harry Potter's world...

He still has the instant death curse, plus he can turn invisible. So the Balrog wouldn't know where to swing his sword.

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]How?

Teenaged

If he has spells that could easily kill gandolf that would jut prove that he is the better wizard. Even if it seemed cheap.

See how cheapness shows who is the greatest. ;)

Mickey Mouse was a pretty tough dude.

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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"] and you think the Balrog would go down because of that? :|LikeHaterade

If his sword landed on his head likely yeah. It looked like it could damage him.

Wrong. Read my previous post. It took a small army of elves to kill one.

Wait are they fighting the Balrog alone or with help.

He still has the instant death curse, plus he can turn invisible. So the Balrog wouldn't know where to swing his sword.

Mercenary848

Instant death curse =/= Light of Elendil. It wouldn't hurt the Balrog. He will turn invisible and then what?

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[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

If his sword landed on his head likely yeah. It looked like it could damage him.

Mercenary848

Wrong. Read my previous post. It took a small army of elves to kill one.

Wait are they fighting the Balrog alone or with help.

Elves with iron forged armor, swords and arrows. Nothing more.

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[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

If he has spells that could easily kill gandolf that would jut prove that he is the better wizard. Even if it seemed cheap.

Mercenary848

See how cheapness shows who is the greatest. ;)

Mickey Mouse was a pretty tough dude.

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He still has the instant death curse, plus he can turn invisible. So the Balrog wouldn't know where to swing his sword.

LikeHaterade

Instant death curse =/= Light of Elendil. It wouldn't hurt the Balrog. He will turn invisible and then what?

Blast his wings off with that curse that inflicts instant major damage. I am noticing a lot of Gandolfs spells need long chants. While Dumbledore can say one or two quick funny words and blam your whole family is dead.

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Wrong. Read my previous post. It took a small army of elves to kill one.

LikeHaterade

Wait are they fighting the Balrog alone or with help.

Elves with iron forged armor, swords and arrows. Nothing more.

If you play LOTR conquest you get to be Balrog. He didn't have it that easy, fighting all those guys at once.

Blast his wings off with that curse that inflicts instant major damage.

Mercenary848

You'll have to do better than that...

I am noticing a lot of Gandolfs spells need long chants. While Dumbledore can say one or two quick funny words and blam your whole family is dead.

Mercenary848

That...is not true.

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Well then we can put Gandalf in a fight with Mickey Mouse because him being a cartoon after all cant be harmed.

See how cheapness shows who is the greatest. ;)

Teenaged

Mickey Mouse was a pretty tough dude.

Well then the whole disscussion should be thrown out the window if the way Dumbledore fights is cheap. Gandalf should win because Dumbledore went to school to practice magic and is to good.

If you play LOTR conquest you get to be Balrog. He didn't have it that easy, fighting all those guys at once.

Mercenary848

J.R.R. Tolkien did not make the video game. Books are the resourceful material.

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Blast his wings off with that curse that inflicts instant major damage.

LikeHaterade

You'll have to do better than that...

I am noticing a lot of Gandolfs spells need long chants. While Dumbledore can say one or two quick funny words and blam your whole family is dead.

Mercenary848

That...is not true.

I am not to familar with Gandalfs spells, can you give me some examples.

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If you play LOTR conquest you get to be Balrog. He didn't have it that easy, fighting all those guys at once.

LikeHaterade

J.R.R. Tolkien did not make the video game. Books are the resourceful material.

I though we could use resources from the whole universe. Is Dumbledore still homosexual in the fight :P .

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[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

Mickey Mouse was a pretty tough dude.

Mercenary848

Well then the whole disscussion should be thrown out the window if the way Dumbledore fights is cheap. Gandalf should with because Dumbledore went to school to practice magic.

One must have knowledge of Tolkien's universe also in order to make a comparison. I do, you dont.

I made a post earlier and I dont think Dumbledore beats Gandalf by any means.

You say Dumbledore will cast quick pells on Gandalf: Gandalf probably wont be affected cause like I said he is in the ranks of gods. Gandalf is not actually a wizard. He was thought off as one among Men.

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[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

If you play LOTR conquest you get to be Balrog. He didn't have it that easy, fighting all those guys at once.

Mercenary848

J.R.R. Tolkien did not make the video game. Books are the resourceful material.

I though we could use resources from the whole universe. Is Dumbledore still homosexual in the fight :P .

why is he gay ive read all the books and ive not noted he was gay

Also didn't that one rat guy kill people by blasting a spell in the street. Dumbledore should have his own radius attacks.

Also didn't that one rat guy kill people by blasting a spell in the street. Dumbledore should have his own radius attacks.

Mercenary848

well, in Book 6

[spoiler] he makes a circle of fire while harry stares at him like a muggle. [/spoiler]

I am not to familar with Gandalfs spells, can you give me some examples.

Mercenary848

You have plenty of examples in this thread. He can conjure shields, block projectiles, infuse objects with heat(no contact needed), wields the Light of Eledil, infuse a sword with lightning and fire it, and has exeptional fighting skills. Give Dumbledore his wand vs Gandalf with his staff and he loses. Take their weapons away, and he still loses.

Demigod > wizard.

[Its not because Dumbledorr went to school to learn magic.

One must have knowledge of Tolkien's universe also in order to make a comparison. I do, you dont.

I made a post earlier and I dont think Dumbledore beats Gandalf by any means.

You say Dumbledore will cast quick pells on Gandalf: Gandalf probably wont be affected cause like I said he is in the ranks of gods. Gandalf is not actually a wizard. He was thought off as one among Men.

Teenaged

Poor Dumbledore went to a school of magic just to lose in a fight against Gandalf. :(

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J.R.R. Tolkien did not make the video game. Books are the resourceful material.

killerkool07

I though we could use resources from the whole universe. Is Dumbledore still homosexual in the fight :P .

why is he gay ive read all the books and ive not noted he was gay

Rowling stated that at the end of the series.

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Ok I think we are done after this response... >_>

Teenaged

Well then the whole disscussion should be thrown out the window if the way Dumbledore fights is cheap. Gandalf should with because Dumbledore went to school to practice magic.

One must have knowledge of Tolkien's universe also in order to make a comparison. I do, you dont.

I made a post earlier and I dont think Dumbledore beats Gandalf by any means.

You say Dumbledore will cast quick pells on Gandalf: Gandalf probably wont be affected cause like I said he is in the ranks of gods. Gandalf is not actually a wizard. He was thought off as one among Men.

Wait I don't get it you said he was cheap when I brought up instant death spell, but now your saying Gandalf is a god.

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I am not to familar with Gandalfs spells, can you give me some examples.

LikeHaterade

You have plenty of examples in this thread. He can conjure shields, block projectiles, infuse objects with heat(no contact needed), wields the Light of Eledil, infuse a sword with lightning and fire it, and has exeptional fighting skills. Give Dumbledore his wand vs Gandalf with his staff and he loses. Take their weapons away, and he still loses.

Demigod > wizard.

Dumbledore would have his broom. Also in the HP universe you don't just need a wand. In the irst book they thought Snape was atacking Harry by chanting a Jinx but he was pretecting him. It was actually the guy in the Turbin jixing him. Plus he has all those magic objects.

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[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

I am not to familar with Gandalfs spells, can you give me some examples.

Mercenary848

You have plenty of examples in this thread. He can conjure shields, block projectiles, infuse objects with heat(no contact needed), wields the Light of Eledil, infuse a sword with lightning and fire it, and has exeptional fighting skills. Give Dumbledore his wand vs Gandalf with his staff and he loses. Take their weapons away, and he still loses.

Demigod > wizard.

Dumbledore would have his broom. Also in the HP universe you don't just need a wand. In the irst book they thought Snape was atacking Harry by chanting a Jinx but he was pretecting him. It was actually the guy in the Turbin jixing him. Plus he has all those magic objects.

Too bad Gandalf isn't human. He's half-God, therefor is unsusceptible to any disease, curse or jinx. ;)

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Well then the whole disscussion should be thrown out the window if the way Dumbledore fights is cheap. Gandalf should with because Dumbledore went to school to practice magic.

Mercenary848

One must have knowledge of Tolkien's universe also in order to make a comparison. I do, you dont.

I made a post earlier and I dont think Dumbledore beats Gandalf by any means.

You say Dumbledore will cast quick pells on Gandalf: Gandalf probably wont be affected cause like I said he is in the ranks of gods. Gandalf is not actually a wizard. He was thought off as one among Men.

Wait I don't get it you said he was cheap when I brought up instant death spell, but now your saying Gandalf is a god.

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[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

You have plenty of examples in this thread. He can conjure shields, block projectiles, infuse objects with heat(no contact needed), wields the Light of Eledil, infuse a sword with lightning and fire it, and has exeptional fighting skills. Give Dumbledore his wand vs Gandalf with his staff and he loses. Take their weapons away, and he still loses.

Demigod > wizard.

LikeHaterade

Dumbledore would have his broom. Also in the HP universe you don't just need a wand. In the irst book they thought Snape was atacking Harry by chanting a Jinx but he was pretecting him. It was actually the guy in the Turbin jixing him. Plus he has all those magic objects.

Too bad Gandalf isn't human. He's half-God, therefor is unsusceptible to any disease, curse or jinx. ;)

Tell me how did he die and then come back.

Tell me how did he die and then come back.

Mercenary848

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Well then the whole disscussion should be thrown out the window if the way Dumbledore fights is cheap. Gandalf should with because Dumbledore went to school to practice magic.

Mercenary848

One must have knowledge of Tolkien's universe also in order to make a comparison. I do, you dont.

I made a post earlier and I dont think Dumbledore beats Gandalf by any means.

You say Dumbledore will cast quick pells on Gandalf: Gandalf probably wont be affected cause like I said he is in the ranks of gods. Gandalf is not actually a wizard. He was thought off as one among Men.

Wait I don't get it you said he was cheap when I brought up instant death spell, but not your saying Gandalf is a god.

Perhaps of course even going on defending Gandalf in this unfair for Dumbledore comparison is "cheap" but eh lets explain:

Each of those characters are set in their own world and the principles of greatness are different within the two of them. Tolkien's world is not based on creating impressions through flashy spells and easy witchcraft. I think thats intentional.

Each character is kept like a secret. They never reveal their true power and they never would because Tolkien was on one portraying powerful scenes of wars and battles but he was also against war.

That imo makes him give his characters more substance through their personality and their wisdom. But in Tolkiens world the emotional world and the physical one are intertwined.

Sauron was very powerful for instance in relation to the fact that immense malice and hatred were fueling his heart. Emotions augment physical strength to a point where the strength is actually ones personality and "persona".

Gandalf is powerful of course also because he is a Maia, but also because he was once the follower of a Valier who taught him many things. But not "things" not as in witchcraft, but in life lessons and teachings valuable in wisdom and prudence. Tolkien makes sure to represent ones inner world with a physical attribute, or the whole set of attributes given to them.

I just find more substance in a character like Gandalf than Dumbledore.

But of course it all boils down to presentation because a character is what he is presented as (not in description only but through everything he/she does).

And quite frankly Gandalf has much more of a background than Dumbledore.

What makes Dumbledore cheap in such a comparison is that any series of books could have introduced a character that from the moment their born they can shoot lazer beams out of their eyes, teleport by will, regenerate strength for ever, being unable to be penetrated by anbything, immune to magic and all that in a single page. So what? You just created a character with little substance and that makes him cheap.

Not that Dumbledore is as cheaply depicted as my example above. Of course not. I am just giving an example.

Tell me how did he die and then come back.

Mercenary848

Because he's half God...He's immortal in the same respect as elves. Killed only through physical means.