[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] That's actually not the facts and I suggest some education on the subject. You're making yourself look foolish here.... It actually is and since we are at an impass here I won't take this any further. We're at an impasse because you want to blame the victim....not the aggressor. I thought it was obvious that I was blaming religious differences, not any individual.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"] It actually is and since we are at an impass here I won't take this any further.the_plan_man
We're at an impasse because you want to blame the victim....not the aggressor. Let's just say we're at an impass and call this tangent quits. Neither side is going to cave in.I suppose.....but I have no patience with stupidity.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"] It actually is and since we are at an impass here I won't take this any further.the_plan_man
We're at an impasse because you want to blame the victim....not the aggressor. Let's just say we're at an impass and call this tangent quits. Neither side is going to cave in. Wisest words I've read so far in this thread.
[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"] It actually is and since we are at an impass here I won't take this any further. We're at an impasse because you want to blame the victim....not the aggressor. I thought it was obvious that I was blaming religious differences, not any individual. You're blaming the victim. Either that or you really have no clue what is meant by religious war/actions. If you can call the Holocaust religious motivation than it's just as correct to use atheism for Stalin et al. I'd bet most of the people he killed were of a particular religion and he was wiping it out. Note...that is not my thesis...but it's how he applies his.
[QUOTE="the_plan_man"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] We're at an impasse because you want to blame the victim....not the aggressor.LJS9502_basic
Let's just say we're at an impass and call this tangent quits. Neither side is going to cave in.I suppose.....but I have no patience with stupidity. This is the type of thing that pisses me of sometimes in OT. You're so assured that you are right that you find the need to insult others. That or you are insecure with you position and find the need to make personal attacks. Wow.
[QUOTE="the_plan_man"] Let's just say we're at an impass and call this tangent quits. Neither side is going to cave in.Tokugawa77
I suppose.....but I have no patience with stupidity. This is the type of thing that pisses me of sometimes in OT. You're so assured that you are right that you find the need to insult others. That or you are insecure with you position and find the need to make personal attacks. Wow. Well I can certainly say you have not been right in this thread yet. I'll mention it when I see it. Fair enough?
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] We're at an impasse because you want to blame the victim....not the aggressor. I thought it was obvious that I was blaming religious differences, not any individual. You're blaming the victim. Either that or you really have no clue what is meant by religious war/actions. If you can call the Holocaust religious motivation than it's just as correct to use atheism for Stalin et al. I'd bet most of the people he killed were of a particular religion and he was wiping it out. Note...that is not my thesis...but it's how he applies his. Don't tell me what I think. I am not blaming the victim- it's not like he chose to get beat up or whatever. It was the fact that he was not the same religion as his attacker, thus religious difference causes the problem. As for the Stalin reference, see my above response to the guy with the green profile picture (forgot his name) EDIT: I'll let you have the last word. Tired of this thread.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"] I thought it was obvious that I was blaming religious differences, not any individual.Tokugawa77
You're blaming the victim. Either that or you really have no clue what is meant by religious war/actions. If you can call the Holocaust religious motivation than it's just as correct to use atheism for Stalin et al. I'd bet most of the people he killed were of a particular religion and he was wiping it out. Note...that is not my thesis...but it's how he applies his. Don't tell me what I think. I am not blaming the victim- it's not like he chose to get beat up or whatever. It was the fact that he was not the same religion as his attacker, thus religious difference causes the problem. As for the Stalin reference, see my above response to the guy with the green profile picture (forgot his name)what happen to you two stooges comming to stop???
I think that you (and some other in this thread) are just slightly biased against anyone who critisizes religion, so when some one voices this opinion, you leap on it as "demonizing". Tokugawa77
Ironically, I am neither theistic nor religious... but I want to discuss the facts, and you presented a severally weighted "fact" that without context could imply that religion is a significant cause of conflict. I provided scholarly evidence to the contrary. You can view religion as a significant cause or motivator for conflict, but claiming it as the truth was where you went wrong. I only defend religion when I feel it is being unfairly represented. Especially if it as an entity, rather than the actual individuals involved, are being blamed for atrocities. Religion cannot do harm. Only those who wield it can.
[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]I think that you (and some other in this thread) are just slightly biased against anyone who critisizes religion, so when some one voices this opinion, you leap on it as "demonizing". foxhound_fox
Ironically, I am neither theistic nor religious... but I want to discuss the facts, and you presented a severally weighted "fact" that without context could imply that religion is a significant cause of conflict. I provided scholarly evidence to the contrary. You can view religion as a significant cause or motivator for conflict, but claiming it as the truth was where you went wrong. I only defend religion when I feel it is being unfairly represented. Especially if it as an entity, rather than the actual individuals involved, are being blamed for atrocities. Religion cannot do harm. Only those who wield it can.I agree with Fox....what's the world coming to now.:o Carry on.
I don't get it. Everyone I know who is religious is thoughtful, intelligent, and kind, with ignorant "stereotypical" religious people being in the minority. I'm not asking why you think the religion is stupid...I'm asking why so many people have some kind of hatred towards people who are religious?
the_plan_man
The hostility is towards this constant religious intimidation and clerical bullying to which we're being subjected and is part of an attempt to organise a pushback against this, whether it's the parties of God destroying Iraqi civil society, or bigots trying to have pseudoscience taught in our schools, or a pope who said that the idea of limbo was a mistake and a myth, but there's still such a thing as hell, and that aids isn't as bad as condoms. We've had enough of people who think that they know what God wants and that they have God on their side, and who tell us what to do and how to think. That's defintely something to be hostile towards.
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]I think that you (and some other in this thread) are just slightly biased against anyone who critisizes religion, so when some one voices this opinion, you leap on it as "demonizing". LJS9502_basic
Ironically, I am neither theistic nor religious... but I want to discuss the facts, and you presented a severally weighted "fact" that without context could imply that religion is a significant cause of conflict. I provided scholarly evidence to the contrary. You can view religion as a significant cause or motivator for conflict, but claiming it as the truth was where you went wrong. I only defend religion when I feel it is being unfairly represented. Especially if it as an entity, rather than the actual individuals involved, are being blamed for atrocities. Religion cannot do harm. Only those who wield it can.I agree with Fox....what's the world coming to now.:o Carry on.indeed he can atleast make a good argument
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] Ironically, I am neither theistic nor religious... but I want to discuss the facts, and you presented a severally weighted "fact" that without context could imply that religion is a significant cause of conflict. I provided scholarly evidence to the contrary. You can view religion as a significant cause or motivator for conflict, but claiming it as the truth was where you went wrong. I only defend religion when I feel it is being unfairly represented. Especially if it as an entity, rather than the actual individuals involved, are being blamed for atrocities. Religion cannot do harm. Only those who wield it can.almasdeathchild
I agree with Fox....what's the world coming to now.:o Carry on.indeed he can atleast make a good argumentYou will someday....
I agree with Fox....what's the world coming to now.:oLJS9502_basic
The end of days? I do find it kind of funny how we share similar stances in religious threads of all places, despite severe disagreements in some of the most banal of topics. :lol:
I think religious people are great, their moral code is on par with mine, yet I'm atheist, I just don't want them spreading their views on me.Fightingfan
Well, this is one of the problems I have with religious people. Out of all the self-righteous religious people I've met, there are only a few I know of that actually follow their religions moral code. The fact that they advertise their religion while condemning/bash others then turn around and only follow a few selected rules of their own religion pisses me off. Religious people are probably the most sexually active, drug abusive group I know of. Always making excuses to why they feel its ok to go against their moral code from time to time....
This is, of course, from my own personal experience and I don't speak for the entire demographic...
I don't get it. Everyone I know who is religious is thoughtful, intelligent, and kind, with ignorant "stereotypical" religious people being in the minority. I'm not asking why you think the religion is stupid...I'm asking why so many people have some kind of hatred towards people who are religious?
the_plan_man
The ignorant "stereotypical" ones are usually the most vocal and thusly bring the most hate.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I agree with Fox....what's the world coming to now.:o Carry on.LJS9502_basic
indeed he can atleast make a good argumentYou will someday....:lol: if i didnt scramble words and just cause choas in religion topics i could make some myself :lol:
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I agree with Fox....what's the world coming to now.:ofoxhound_fox
The end of days? I do find it kind of funny how we share similar stances in religious threads of all places, despite severe disagreements in some of the most banal of topics. :lol: Indeed. Eh.....we used to get along better until we had that falling out.
[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]I think religious people are great, their moral code is on par with mine, yet I'm atheist, I just don't want them spreading their views on me.tocool340
Well, this is one of the problems I have with religious people. Out of all the self-righteous religious people I've met, there are only a few I know of that actually follow their religions moral code. The fact that they advertise their religion while condemning/bash others then turn around and only follow a few selected rules of their own religion pisses me off. Religious people are probably the most sexually active, drug abusive group I know of. Always making excuses to why they feel its ok to go against their moral code from time to time....
I agree with that. It's always been my view that Christians and atheists basically act the same, as stated in one of my previous threads.
[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]I think religious people are great, their moral code is on par with mine, yet I'm atheist, I just don't want them spreading their views on me.the_plan_man
Well, this is one of the problems I have with religious people. Out of all the self-righteous religious people I've met, there are only a few I know of that actually follow their religions moral code. The fact that they advertise their religion while condemning/bash others then turn around and only follow a few selected rules of their own religion pisses me off. Religious people are probably the most sexually active, drug abusive group I know of. Always making excuses to why they feel its ok to go against their moral code from time to time....
I agree with that. It's always been my view that Christians and atheists basically act the same, as stated in one of my previous threads.in all honesty even if you are mormon christan athiest satanist etc,everyone should get along reguardless after all we are all human
Well, this is one of the problems I have with religious people. Out of all the self-righteous religious people I've met, there are only a few I know of that actually follow their religions moral code. The fact that they advertise their religion while condemning/bash others then turn around and only follow a few selected rules of their own religion pisses me off. Religious people are probably the most sexually active, drug abusive group I know of. Always making excuses to why they feel its ok to go against their moral code from time to time....
I agree with that. It's always been my view that Christians and atheists basically act the same, as stated in one of my previous threads.in all honesty even if you are mormon christan athiest satanist etc,everyone should get along reguardless after all we are all human Wisest quote in the whole thread.
[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]I think religious people are great, their moral code is on par with mine, yet I'm atheist, I just don't want them spreading their views on me.the_plan_man
Well, this is one of the problems I have with religious people. Out of all the self-righteous religious people I've met, there are only a few I know of that actually follow their religions moral code. The fact that they advertise their religion while condemning/bash others then turn around and only follow a few selected rules of their own religion pisses me off. Religious people are probably the most sexually active, drug abusive group I know of. Always making excuses to why they feel its ok to go against their moral code from time to time....
I agree with that. It's always been my view that Christians and atheists basically act the same, as stated in one of my previous threads.
From what I've studied, 90% of atheists who are extremely hostile towards religion are like that because they constantly asked themselves "Why didn't God help me when those kids smashed my head against that locker?". I wish I was being sarcastic, but I guess that's obvious to most people already since they come off as extremely butthurt.
From what I've studied, 90% of atheists who are extremely hostile towards religion are like that because they constantly asked themselves "Why didn't God help me when those kids smashed my head against that locker?". I wish I was being sarcastic, but I guess that's obvious to most people already since they come off as extremely butthurt.OICWUTUDIDTHAR
Kind of like how the Grinch hated Christmas, because he had bad memories of the time back as a kid. :P
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Indeed. Eh.....we used to get along better until we had that falling out. I don't even recall what started the animosity. Christ... I've become one of THOSE people (who forget the reason for their hatred and keep the feud alive because of tradition). Sorry man. I'm at a loss for words here.
From what I've studied, 90% of atheists who are extremely hostile towards religion are like that because they constantly asked themselves "Why didn't God help me when those kids smashed my head against that locker?". I wish I was being sarcastic, but I guess that's obvious to most people already since they come off as extremely butthurt.OICWUTUDIDTHAR
Here's case in point as to why people are so hostile towards religious people.
[QUOTE="OICWUTUDIDTHAR"]From what I've studied, 90% of atheists who are extremely hostile towards religion are like that because they constantly asked themselves "Why didn't God help me when those kids smashed my head against that locker?". I wish I was being sarcastic, but I guess that's obvious to most people already since they come off as extremely butthurt. Well, if you aren't being sarcastic out facetious, then you truly are an idiot.
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Indeed. Eh.....we used to get along better until we had that falling out. I don't even recall what started the animosity. Christ... I've become one of THOSE people (who forget the reason for their hatred and keep the feud alive because of tradition). Sorry man. I'm at a loss for words here. I recall it...but it wasn't really important and I'd rather not dwell on it. For what it's worth...I don't hate you. But hey.....we had a tradition.
[QUOTE="OICWUTUDIDTHAR"]From what I've studied, 90% of atheists who are extremely hostile towards religion are like that because they constantly asked themselves "Why didn't God help me when those kids smashed my head against that locker?". I wish I was being sarcastic, but I guess that's obvious to most people already since they come off as extremely butthurt. lol
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="OICWUTUDIDTHAR"]From what I've studied, 90% of atheists who are extremely hostile towards religion are like that because they constantly asked themselves "Why didn't God help me when those kids smashed my head against that locker?". I wish I was being sarcastic, but I guess that's obvious to most people already since they come off as extremely butthurt. Well, if you aren't being sarcastic out facetious, then you truly are an idiot. It's mostly an offensive joke, brah. But if you are going to be hilariously hostile towards religion itself, rather than the people who attempt to harass you with it, you're probably aiming at the wrong direction.
I think you have it backwards. Its religious people who are hostile towards atheists. I work as a manager/waiter at a restaurant and I was working a Sunday morning and waited on a family who just got out of church. The mother of the family asked me what time I go to church if I'm at work on Sunday mornings. I told her that I don't go to church and in a condescending tone she goes "You're not an Athiest are you?". I said I was so she asked for another server.
[QUOTE="OICWUTUDIDTHAR"]From what I've studied, 90% of atheists who are extremely hostile towards religion are like that because they constantly asked themselves "Why didn't God help me when those kids smashed my head against that locker?". I wish I was being sarcastic, but I guess that's obvious to most people already since they come off as extremely butthurt.foxhound_fox
Well, if you aren't being sarcastic out facetious, then you truly are an idiot. Maybe that's how HE views it. There are those who don't believe in God because of negative past experiences, so I see his point as valid...though maybe 90% is a bit of a stretch, though.
From what I've studied, 90% of atheists who are extremely hostile towards religion are like that because they constantly asked themselves "Why didn't God help me when those kids smashed my head against that locker?". I wish I was being sarcastic, but I guess that's obvious to most people already since they come off as extremely butthurt.OICWUTUDIDTHAR
Thor will not help those who do not help themselves. You want to make it to Valhalla, you gotta throw some punches despite the odds. Dont let that locker smash your head, smash the locker with your head.
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="OICWUTUDIDTHAR"]From what I've studied, 90% of atheists who are extremely hostile towards religion are like that because they constantly asked themselves "Why didn't God help me when those kids smashed my head against that locker?". I wish I was being sarcastic, but I guess that's obvious to most people already since they come off as extremely butthurt.OICWUTUDIDTHAR
Well, if you aren't being sarcastic out facetious, then you truly are an idiot. It's mostly an offensive joke, brah. But if you are going to be hilariously hostile towards religion itself, rather than the people who attempt to harass you with it, you're probably aiming at the wrong direction.
Ah, it's the old Bill O'Reily, say something truly stupid and then say it was a joke when someone calls you on it.
[QUOTE="OICWUTUDIDTHAR"]It's mostly an offensive joke, brah. But if you are going to be hilariously hostile towards religion itself, rather than the people who attempt to harass you with it, you're probably aiming at the wrong direction. Good. I personally prefer to take the Batman approach: don't sink to their level whatever the cost.
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="OICWUTUDIDTHAR"]From what I've studied, 90% of atheists who are extremely hostile towards religion are like that because they constantly asked themselves "Why didn't God help me when those kids smashed my head against that locker?". I wish I was being sarcastic, but I guess that's obvious to most people already since they come off as extremely butthurt.the_plan_man
Well, if you aren't being sarcastic out facetious, then you truly are an idiot. Maybe that's how HE views it. There are those who don't believe in God because of negative past experiences, so I see his point as valid...though maybe 90% is a bit of a stretch, though.
Yeah, okay, YOU can make generalizations about why atheists believe what they do and it's all well and good, but I say one damn thing about using religion to avoid coping and suddenly it's a federal case and I'm generalizing Christians everywhere.
From what I've studied, 90% of atheists who are extremely hostile towards religion are like that because they constantly asked themselves "Why didn't God help me when those kids smashed my head against that locker?". I wish I was being sarcastic, but I guess that's obvious to most people already since they come off as extremely butthurt.OICWUTUDIDTHAR
Maybe that's how HE views it. There are those who don't believe in God because of negative past experiences, so I see his point as valid...though maybe 90% is a bit of a stretch, though.the_plan_man
Having a negative experience doesn't justify severe animosity to the point of disrespect and rudeness. One would think someone who would want to step above the self-righteous religious nutjob wouldn't sink to their level.
From what I've studied, 90% of atheists who are extremely hostile towards religion are like that because they constantly asked themselves "Why didn't God help me when those kids smashed my head against that locker?". I wish I was being sarcastic, but I guess that's obvious to most people already since they come off as extremely butthurt.OICWUTUDIDTHAR
Nothing wrong with being hostile towards a system that poisons the mind down through generations. Blood sacrifice, demons, rising from the dead, God as a 24 hour voyeur, women as whores for being non-virgins on their wedding night, the rejection of science, making bold assertions about the Universe, being punished for thought-crime, a creator who allows suffering because he has a "special plan" in place, a creator who created hell as punishment for those who don't pass his wicked test, any system that makes people think that this is something good and something they should devote their lives to, is insane and should, by its very nature, generate hostility.
[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]Didn't we have this exact thread a few weeks ago? :roll:foxhound_fox
Indeed. Care to make a new, original one for us? A religious thread, or just some new and nifty thread? The latter I can do, the former is something I'm congentilly unable to do.
Nothing wrong with being hostile towards a system that poisons the mind down through generations. Blood sacrifice, demons, rising from the dead, God as a 24 hour voyeur, women as whores for being non-virgins on their wedding night, the rejection of science, making bold assertions about the Universe, being punished for thought-crime, a creator who allows suffering because he has a "special plan" in place, a creator who created hell as punishment for those who don't pass his wicked test, any system that makes people think that this is something good and something they should devote their lives to, is insane and should, by its very nature, generate hostility.Nicksonman
Yay for heavily generalized, literalist interpretations! Woooooo!
[QUOTE="OICWUTUDIDTHAR"]From what I've studied, 90% of atheists who are extremely hostile towards religion are like that because they constantly asked themselves "Why didn't God help me when those kids smashed my head against that locker?". I wish I was being sarcastic, but I guess that's obvious to most people already since they come off as extremely butthurt.Nicksonman
Nothing wrong with being hostile towards a system that poisons the mind down through generations. Blood sacrifice, demons, rising from the dead, God as a 24 hour voyeur, women as whores for being non-virgins on their wedding night, the rejection of science, making bold assertions about the Universe, being punished for thought-crime, a creator who allows suffering because he has a "special plan" in place, a creator who created hell as punishment for those who don't pass his wicked test, any system that makes people think that this is something good and something they should devote their lives to, is insane and should, by its very nature, generate hostility. That's only one religion. The norse gods reward valor with eternal paradise. They like drinking. They like wenching. They like big hammers. beat that.
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