I don't really know. On the whole, metal tends not to be any better than other popular genres, exceeding them only in its false grandiosity and in its love of showing off.
[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="XilePrincess"]People in general are elitist. ProjectTrinity
I'm not elitist. You should probably answer some of those posts you left back there. Surely these questions are not beneath you?
Like what? No one asked me anything. :question:I said they don't have talent, some say they have talent. They may very well have talent, but that doesn't make their singing any better. Not all art is beautiful, I suppose.
[QUOTE="SkyWard20"] I'm not elitist.Bluestorm-Kalas
Oh really?
Because screaming and growling is not music. My intention is not to bash other users' preferences - I'm just saying that, for me at least, they're horrible, horrible subgenres that require very little talent.There's no reason for me to respect everyone's musical preferences equally just because it's theirs.SkyWard20
You might want to rethink your statement. Is that elitism? Don't I have to fit into some musical genre or subgenre to be counted as an elitist? Besides, I already said that I like some metal songs ( quite a lot actually). Just the ones involving screaming and growling put me off.
There are elitists with any form of entertainment. To say that the mass majority of metal fans are elitist is making generalizations based on what you've probably seen here (Correct me if I'm wrong, but I took it as you were basing your opinion off of the GS userbase) I know plenty of metalheads who couldn't care less what someone else chooses to listen to.
And I still have a good laugh at those that call certain types of metal "nothing but talentless screaming." It shows quite well that you've most likely never deeply looked into any of the genres you are speaking of.
[QUOTE="SkyWard20"] Because screaming and growling is not music. My intention is not to bash other users' preferences - I'm just saying that, for me at least, they're horrible, horrible subgenres that require very little talent.There's no reason for me to respect everyone's musical preferences equally just because it's theirs.SkyWard20
You might want to rethink your statement. Is that elitism? Don't I have to fit into some musical genre or subgenre to be counted as an elitist? Besides, I already said that I like some metal songs ( quite a lot actually). Just the ones involving screaming and growling put me off. There is a durastic difference between saying "I don't enjoy music with guttural vocals" and saying it's not music. A big one in fact. Then to go on and say "It takes very little talent" when it takes a considerable amount of talent, and then to say "There's no reason for me to respect everyone's musical preferences equally."
Yeah, I think it's a safe bet to say that's a pretty elitist attitude.
[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"] Iron Maiden is actually good. I'm talking about metal where you can't make out the lyrics because of all the growls.GTR2addict
I love Iron Maiden and all, but they sound pretty campy compared to a lot of death metal and to be honest there's a lot of death metal out there that's more "elegant" so to say Melodic Death Metal sounds "better" than iron maiden, but maiden are still THE force behind pretty much all that is metal Melodic dm is okay. Kind of generic sounding I think
Because metal is one of those things people don't understand. I don't understand it either, which is why I dismiss most of it as rubbish, then again metalheads do that when it comes to pop.
Espada12
You can't compare some pop crap to heavy metal and hardrock such as Judas Priest and AC/DC for example.
Because metal is one of those things people don't understand. I don't understand it either, which is why I dismiss most of it as rubbish, then again metalheads do that when it comes to pop.
coreybg
You can't compare some pop crap to heavy metal and hardrock such as Judas Priest and AC/DC for example.
And yes, it IS a fact that they're better.
You're one of the contributing reasons to why this thread was made.
Because metal is one of those things people don't understand. I don't understand it either, which is why I dismiss most of it as rubbish, then again metalheads do that when it comes to pop.
coreybg
You can't compare some pop crap to heavy metal and hardrock such as Judas Priest and AC/DC for example.
And yes, it IS a fact that they're better.
In terms of technical skill/instrumental talent, metal is better than pop beyond a doubt. Beyond that you really can't say one is objectively better.
Because metal is one of those things people don't understand. I don't understand it either, which is why I dismiss most of it as rubbish, then again metalheads do that when it comes to pop.
chessmaster1989
You can't compare some pop crap to heavy metal and hardrock such as Judas Priest and AC/DC for example.
And yes, it IS a fact that they're better.
In terms of technical skill/instrumental talent, metal is better than pop beyond a doubt. Beyond that you really can't say one is objectively better.
Well yea, that's what I was saying. Otherwise it's down to preference.
[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"] I love Iron Maiden and all, but they sound pretty campy compared to a lot of death metal and to be honest there's a lot of death metal out there that's more "elegant" so to sayDivergeUnify
Melodic Death Metal sounds "better" than iron maiden, but maiden are still THE force behind pretty much all that is metal Melodic dm is okay. Kind of generic sounding I think Death metal and all it's subgenres were made to get AWAY from the mainstream, and they sound generic? :| Dark Tranquillity, Insomnium, Children of Bodom, Ensiferum, Kalmah, Carcass, In Flames and so many more, they sound nothing alike eachother, much less like anything else
Because metal is one of those things people don't understand. I don't understand it either, which is why I dismiss most of it as rubbish, then again metalheads do that when it comes to pop.
coreybg
You can't compare some pop crap to heavy metal and hardrock such as Judas Priest and AC/DC for example.
And yes, it IS a fact that they're better.
And pop vocalist are much much better than metal vocalist .. I don't see your point.
Did an Elitist actually get mad and said it was offensive that I said elitists lack the mental capacity to appreciate music outside of their own? Well, I guess I was about due for a weird moderation. :? Doesn't change the fact many do just that! D=
Because metal is one of those things people don't understand. I don't understand it either, which is why I dismiss most of it as rubbish, then again metalheads do that when it comes to pop.
Espada12
You can't compare some pop crap to heavy metal and hardrock such as Judas Priest and AC/DC for example.
And yes, it IS a fact that they're better.
And pop vocalist are much much better than metal vocalist .. I don't see your point.
That is not true at all. If you think metal vocalists suck, you are listening to the wrong kind of metal. Bruce Dickinson = god on a mic.
That is not true at all. If you think metal vocalists suck, you are listening to the wrong kind of metal. Bruce Dickinson = god on a mic.Espada12
They don't suck, there's just alot less emphasis on them having to sound good.
Good vocals in Pop music and good vocals in metal music are worlds away. There is no less emphasis on sounding good in metal, what would be the point in trying to sound as bad as possible?
I think its because they figure since metal usually does take more technical skill then it must be the more superior genre, which makes sense to some degree...but its not right.
That is not true at all. If you think metal vocalists suck, you are listening to the wrong kind of metal. Bruce Dickinson = god on a mic.ToxicBlasphemy
They don't suck, there's just alot less emphasis on them having to sound good.
Good vocals in Pop music and good vocals in metal music are worlds away. There is no less emphasis on sounding good in metal, what would be the point in trying to sound as bad as possible?
There is less emphasis on sounding good in metal, as many metal heads on this board would tell you, alot disregard lyrics and focus on instruments.
They don't suck, there's just alot less emphasis on them having to sound good.
Espada12
Good vocals in Pop music and good vocals in metal music are worlds away. There is no less emphasis on sounding good in metal, what would be the point in trying to sound as bad as possible?
There is less emphasis on sounding good in metal, as many metal heads on this board would tell you, alot disregard lyrics and focus on instruments.
A lot of metal doesn't focus on lyrics/vocals, but that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of metal bands with great vocalists and lyrics. And pop also has a very large amount of bands/singers with bad lyrics (and/or bad vocalists).
A lot of metal doesn't focus on lyrics/vocals, but that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of metal bands with great vocalists and lyrics. And pop also has a very large amount of bands/singers with bad lyrics (and/or bad vocalists).
chessmaster1989
It's mostly bad lyrics, you really can't survive too long in pop as a bad vocalist.
[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="rockerbikie"] That's funny. This is metal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAxLR2_wSscFind the screams and growls in it they're is none.
DivergeUnify
Iron Maiden is actually good. I'm talking about metal where you can't make out the lyrics because of all the growls. I love Iron Maiden and all, but they sound pretty campy compared to a lot of death metal and to be honest there's a lot of death metal out there that's more "elegant" so to say I would have to disagree. I hate Death Metal. Iron maiden however, is pure awesome. I can't stand screaming. Metal FTW!
[QUOTE="kipohippo021"]Im just gonna go out ther and say it "IN MY GODAMNED OPINION, metal sucks and is one of the worst forms of music" SF_KiLLaMaN
Don't you just love when people don't explain their reasoning? I used to like metal, but then i found ska and since then, i found metal to be severley inferior. I dont need to explain myself to a stranger on an internet forum.
[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="kipohippo021"]Im just gonna go out ther and say it "IN MY GODAMNED OPINION, metal sucks and is one of the worst forms of music" kipohippo021
Don't you just love when people don't explain their reasoning? I used to like metal, but then i found ska and since then, i found metal to be severley inferior. I dont need to explain myself to a stranger on an internet forum. haha. Without reason a statement is empty, it means nothing.
[QUOTE="kipohippo021"][QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"] Don't you just love when people don't explain their reasoning? SF_KiLLaMaN
I used to like metal, but then i found ska and since then, i found metal to be severley inferior. I dont need to explain myself to a stranger on an internet forum. haha. Without reason a statement is empty, it means nothing.
I tell my moron best friend that all the time when he tries to tell me something that is great is not.
[QUOTE="kipohippo021"][QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"] Don't you just love when people don't explain their reasoning? SF_KiLLaMaN
I used to like metal, but then i found ska and since then, i found metal to be severley inferior. I dont need to explain myself to a stranger on an internet forum. haha. Without reason a statement is empty, it means nothing. Fine, ill bite. I dont like the energizing tempo, the screaming (in some), the dress. Alot of it sounds angry, all the time. Even when its not meant to be. Ska shows anger without changing its upbeat tune. Now, if you wanna critisize me some more, go ahead, i dont like metal and thats the end of it. I dont need your approval even though it seems as such. I just dont want people to think this was a trolling attempt and report me.
[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="kipohippo021"] I used to like metal, but then i found ska and since then, i found metal to be severley inferior. I dont need to explain myself to a stranger on an internet forum. kipohippo021
haha. Without reason a statement is empty, it means nothing. Fine, ill bite. I dont like the energizing tempo, the screaming (in some), the dress. Alot of it sounds angry, all the time. Even when its not meant to be. Ska shows anger without changing its upbeat tune. Now, if you wanna critisize me some more, go ahead, i dont like metal and thats the end of it. I dont need your approval even though it seems as such. I just dont want people to think this was a trolling attempt and report me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO6giM9UAv0 This sounds angry how?
...which is quite unfortunate because I value those two qualities more than most parts of a song. Technical prowess in metal is so damn overrated.
You can still of course find a lot of metal with good lyrics and vocals, but of course if those are much more important to you than the instrumental work then metal isn't a great genre for you. I personally listen to music a lot more for the instrumental work than the vocals. :P
And pop also has a very large amount of bands/singers with bad lyrics (and/or bad vocalists).
True, but pop in general is more about easy listening and catchy tunes then depth. There are bad music artists in all genres.
To be perfectly honest, I think 'death' and 'thrash' metal are one of the worst forms of entertainment ever created by man.
SkyWard20
I wanna know why you think that. I never said that it would be okay for other metal sub-genres fans to bash on the usual trolls that like death metal or trash metal or black metal. Because screaming and growling is not music. My intention is not to bash other users' preferences - I'm just saying that, for me at least, they're horrible, horrible subgenres that require very little talent. There's no reason for me to respect everyone's musical preferences equally just because it's theirs.
oh yeah maybe enter sandman's guitar solo doesn`t need talent.
You can still of course find a lot of metal with good lyrics and vocals, but of course if those are much more important to you than the instrumental work then metal isn't a great genre for you. I personally listen to music a lot more for the instrumental work than the vocals. :P
chessmaster1989
There's no reason why metal can't have technically proficient guitar/bass/drum work and have great vocals and lyrics too. That's why I'm a huge Nevermore fan. I don't quite understand why so many metalheads will let metal get away with areas of musicianship that are clearly neglected for the riffs and bash other genres for doing what they do best despite their own shortcomings. It's a valid complaint.
As for instrumental works, I own the album Zero Order Phase, a completely instrumental album. Despite this, the songwriter Jeff Loomis does an amazing job of laying down some great riffing while still injecting soul and emotion through his guitar. Not many metal guitarist in the elitist list are of the "soul" type.
[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="kipohippo021"] I used to like metal, but then i found ska and since then, i found metal to be severley inferior. I dont need to explain myself to a stranger on an internet forum. kipohippo021
haha. Without reason a statement is empty, it means nothing. Fine, ill bite. I dont like the energizing tempo, the screaming (in some), the dress. Alot of it sounds angry, all the time. Even when its not meant to be. Ska shows anger without changing its upbeat tune. Now, if you wanna critisize me some more, go ahead, i dont like metal and thats the end of it. I dont need your approval even though it seems as such. I just dont want people to think this was a trolling attempt and report me.
You can still of course find a lot of metal with good lyrics and vocals, but of course if those are much more important to you than the instrumental work then metal isn't a great genre for you. I personally listen to music a lot more for the instrumental work than the vocals. :P
There's no reason why metal can't have technically proficient guitar/bass/drum work and have great vocals and lyrics too. That's why I'm a huge Nevermore fan. I don't quite understand why so many metalheads will let metal get away with areas of musicianship that are clearly neglected for the riffs and bash other genres for doing what they do best despite their own shortcomings. It's a valid complaint.
As for instrumental works, I own the album Zero Order Phase, a completely instrumental album. Despite this, the songwriter Jeff Loomis does an amazing job of laying down some great riffing while still injecting soul and emotion through his guitar. Not many metal guitarist in the elitist list are of the "soul" type.
I wish there were more bands like Nevermore. A lot of clean vocal metal bands are in power metal, which I'm not a huge fan of. Angel Dust is like the only power metal band I enjoy anymore.
Because metal is one of those things people don't understand. I don't understand it either, which is why I dismiss most of it as rubbish, then again metalheads do that when it comes to pop.
You can't compare some pop crap to heavy metal and hardrock such as Judas Priest and AC/DC for example.
And yes, it IS a fact that they're better.
And pop vocalist are much much better than metal vocalist .. I don't see your point.
Nope, No pop voalist will be better than Rob Halford.
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