Why ban pot if we have cigarrettes and cigars?

[QUOTE="curono"]

Seriously, I dont get why such a strong ban on marijuana when we have cigarrettes and cigars. Some say because it is bad for health. Well, I may be new in this world but for as what I know, tobacco kills by millions. Tobacco kills people who smoke and sickens people who just are near smokers. Itis arguably possibly the most addictive thing thereis (except for substances which create a physical dependency)if we are talking about mental addiction. And it has no REAL beneficial effect. It calms? Yes, but so does marijuana. I'd say legalize the "drug", or ban tobacco, if legislators were "sincerely" worried about our health.

And going a little further on comparisons, what about alcohol Vs. Marijuana. I admit that research has demonstrated that alcohol in small doses is beneficial. One cup/glass of beer, wine, wodka and even tequila may be beneficial, but so marijuana can be. And both marijuana and alcohol can be toxic and fatal. However, when talking about alcohol no one would even dare to ban it again, even though alcohol + car is one of the biggest causes of death. Marijuana, on the contrary of alcohol, does not cause euphoria (followed by depression), but rather soothes and calms people. So, if drunk people are dangerous because they are euphoric, people on marijuana are less dangerous, for they are "doped" (or calmed if you wish to say it).

So, what is the big fuzz against marijuana when we accept more toxic and dangerous substances?

iginlawasup

Ban all of them :|

why? do you really think you know whats better for me than i do?

[QUOTE="iginlawasup"]

[QUOTE="curono"]

Seriously, I dont get why such a strong ban on marijuana when we have cigarrettes and cigars. Some say because it is bad for health. Well, I may be new in this world but for as what I know, tobacco kills by millions. Tobacco kills people who smoke and sickens people who just are near smokers. Itis arguably possibly the most addictive thing thereis (except for substances which create a physical dependency)if we are talking about mental addiction. And it has no REAL beneficial effect. It calms? Yes, but so does marijuana. I'd say legalize the "drug", or ban tobacco, if legislators were "sincerely" worried about our health.

And going a little further on comparisons, what about alcohol Vs. Marijuana. I admit that research has demonstrated that alcohol in small doses is beneficial. One cup/glass of beer, wine, wodka and even tequila may be beneficial, but so marijuana can be. And both marijuana and alcohol can be toxic and fatal. However, when talking about alcohol no one would even dare to ban it again, even though alcohol + car is one of the biggest causes of death. Marijuana, on the contrary of alcohol, does not cause euphoria (followed by depression), but rather soothes and calms people. So, if drunk people are dangerous because they are euphoric, people on marijuana are less dangerous, for they are "doped" (or calmed if you wish to say it).

So, what is the big fuzz against marijuana when we accept more toxic and dangerous substances?

Ban all of them :|

why? do you really think you know whats better for me than i do?

It appears as if some people like to use the argument that Marijuana is good for some medical purposes to justify its legalization for recreational use.darkkid

well since aspirin is more harmful for you than marijuana, i don't see the problem with its legalization for recreational use.

You're using the same argument from the OP. If you want to believe one wrong justifies another one fine I won't bother to change you ideology.Darkkid

no, i'm pretty sure i'm not using the same arguement. my arguement is pretty simple, its not dangerous and doesn't serve as a threat to individuals. at least no more than aspirin. by your ideology we should probably make aspirin illegal.

If he doesn't support drinking and smoking then yes, theres no arguing that he knows better. It's your choice, doesn't mean that you know best. tman93

who the hell are you to tell me you know better for me than i do? You ain't walked a single inch in these shoes much less the millions of miles. you don't know anything about me as an individual and have no right or authority to even consider the idea that you MIGHT even know anything about what is or isn't good for me.

just ban everything one less worry ;)

just ban everything one less worry ;)

HydraRizlim

alright cap'n marx

lets just corral all the free people up into camps and force them to work for free until they die since we're starting with personal freedoms.... oh wait, i seem to remember this being done in the past.... a little place called Germany. I'm trying to remember the outcome....

[QUOTE="tman93"]

If he doesn't support drinking and smoking then yes, theres no arguing that he knows better. It's your choice, doesn't mean that you know best.

who the hell are you to tell me you know better for me than i do? You ain't walked a single inch in these shoes much less the millions of miles. you don't know anything about me as an individual and have no right or authority to even consider the idea that you MIGHT even know anything about what is or isn't good for me.

[QUOTE="HydraRizlim"]

just ban everything one less worry ;)

z4twenny

alright cap'n marx

lets just corral all the free people up into camps and force them to work for free until they die since we're starting with personal freedoms.... oh wait, i seem to remember this being done in the past.... a little place called Germany. I'm trying to remember the outcome....

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

[QUOTE="HydraRizlim"]

just ban everything one less worry ;)

tman93

alright cap'n marx

lets just corral all the free people up into camps and force them to work for free until they die since we're starting with personal freedoms.... oh wait, i seem to remember this being done in the past.... a little place called Germany. I'm trying to remember the outcome....

the chinese are the world's largest tobacco consumers (350 million smokers) so what i think should happen is the american cigarette companies should get their products over there, making a ton more money than they do now. with that extra money, they won't be making any less money with weed being legal... although i really don't think people would stop smoking tobacco and start smoking weed, i don't really know where people get that idea

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

[QUOTE="HydraRizlim"]

just ban everything one less worry ;)

tman93

alright cap'n marx

lets just corral all the free people up into camps and force them to work for free until they die since we're starting with personal freedoms.... oh wait, i seem to remember this being done in the past.... a little place called Germany. I'm trying to remember the outcome....

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

[QUOTE="tman93"]

If he doesn't support drinking and smoking then yes, theres no arguing that he knows better. It's your choice, doesn't mean that you know best. tman93

who the hell are you to tell me you know better for me than i do? You ain't walked a single inch in these shoes much less the millions of miles. you don't know anything about me as an individual and have no right or authority to even consider the idea that you MIGHT even know anything about what is or isn't good for me.

last i checked we weren't discussing the legality of meth. we were discussing the legality of a plant that has never killed anyone.

and if you must know, yes, i think we should legalize meth. i think we should legalize everything.

[QUOTE="tman93"][QUOTE="z4twenny"]

[QUOTE="tman93"]

If he doesn't support drinking and smoking then yes, theres no arguing that he knows better. It's your choice, doesn't mean that you know best. tman93

who the hell are you to tell me you know better for me than i do? You ain't walked a single inch in these shoes much less the millions of miles. you don't know anything about me as an individual and have no right or authority to even consider the idea that you MIGHT even know anything about what is or isn't good for me.

dude, you forgot one little thing. life, life isn't good for you. life kills far more people than drugs and alcohol and tobacco combined. but you don't see me over here boycotting life do you? as for knowing better, no, you can THINK you do all you want and if you like being delusional thats your call. but you have less than zero right to even think to claim about knowing whats best for me, a person you don't know and have never met.

Because it would lead to the government getting less tax money (they need it to keep people in prison, arrest people, and continue the fruitless war on drugs), and it would weaken or eliminate big cigarette corporations, which already pay loads of money to keep marijuana illegal. They have a lot more stake in politics than most people think...

The thing is, they help our economy as well. However, keeping a harmless substance illegal, one that has proven medical benefits, is stupid in my opinion. Do you know how many people die per year from marijuana use? ZERO (source: DrugWarFacts). The number of cases based on accidents (car, industrial, etc.) where the person(s) died with THC in their bloodstream is close to 160 and not related in any way to the actual usage of the drug. These cases are often so vague in their description that it's not even a valid reason to be against the legalization of marijuana. In fact, most cases where someone is driving under the influence, they're caught because it looks like they're driving mildly drunk. The signs are the same and that makes arrests that much easier...

That said I think it should be legalized for (at least) medical use. It's shown to have a lot of helpful properties in regards to people who have problems with their nervous system, etc. etc.

z4twenny, you must be superhuman if no drugs have any negative effects on you so I guess I was wrong, I don't know better, drugs are great. tman93

i must be

z4twenny, you must be superhuman if no drugs have any negative effects on you so I guess I was wrong, I don't know better, drugs are great. tman93

[QUOTE="tman93"]z4twenny, you must be superhuman if no drugs have any negative effects on you so I guess I was wrong, I don't know better, drugs are great. pis3rch

you deserve 1 cake pis3erch for your intelligent deduction.

Cake? Awesome, especially since tomorrow is my 17th birthday :D

You raise excellent questions. I dont know why.

As with most things, it is stupid politics and bureaucracy.

However, the only rational reason is because weed impairs your abilities to an extent immediately, while cigarettes do not

We should lift the ban on heroin, too, since cigarettes and alcohol are legal.Welkabonz

[QUOTE="Welkabonz"]We should lift the ban on heroin, too, since cigarettes and alcohol are legal.warbmxjohn

Its only a matter of time ... Colorado already voted to eliminate marijuana fines for private possesion and paraphinilia for adults over 21. The law goes into effect January 1st, 2010.

3sFan

We should lift the ban on heroin, too, since cigarettes and alcohol are legal.Welkabonz

[QUOTE="Welkabonz"]We should lift the ban on heroin, too, since cigarettes and alcohol are legal.pis3rch

[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"][QUOTE="Welkabonz"]We should lift the ban on heroin, too, since cigarettes and alcohol are legal.Welkabonz

[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"][QUOTE="Welkabonz"]We should lift the ban on heroin, too, since cigarettes and alcohol are legal.Welkabonz

[QUOTE="3sFan"]

Its only a matter of time ... Colorado already voted to eliminate marijuana fines for private possesion and paraphinilia for adults over 21. The law goes into effect January 1st, 2010.

bluezy

That is not a valid comparison. A more rational comparison, would be punching someone in the face is legal(tobacco), or kicking them in the face(alcohol), but if you punch them in the arm you go to jail(marijuana). Then you come in and suggest why not allow someone to shoot people in the face then(heroin). Slavery was one legal, does that mean it was acceptable? Legal or illegal does not automatically mean right or wrong.warbmxjohn

[QUOTE="Welkabonz"][QUOTE="warbmxjohn"]Except you are ignoring the fact that pot is not as addictive or harmful as any of those three. Heroin is much more harmful than any of the above, so that kind of throws a wrench in that logic train.needled24-7

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="Welkabonz"] And shooting someone with a .45ACP is much more harmful than using a .22, but I'm pretty sure both are illegal. You're ignoring the principle.Welkabonz

you care if i put harmful things into my body that i KNOW are harmful?needled24-7

[QUOTE="curono"]

Seriously, I dont get why such a strong ban on marijuana when we have cigarrettes and cigars. Some say because it is bad for health. Well, I may be new in this world but for as what I know, tobacco kills by millions. Tobacco kills people who smoke and sickens people who just are near smokers. Itis arguably possibly the most addictive thing thereis (except for substances which create a physical dependency)if we are talking about mental addiction. And it has no REAL beneficial effect. It calms? Yes, but so does marijuana. I'd say legalize the "drug", or ban tobacco, if legislators were "sincerely" worried about our health.

And going a little further on comparisons, what about alcohol Vs. Marijuana. I admit that research has demonstrated that alcohol in small doses is beneficial. One cup/glass of beer, wine, wodka and even tequila may be beneficial, but so marijuana can be. And both marijuana and alcohol can be toxic and fatal. However, when talking about alcohol no one would even dare to ban it again, even though alcohol + car is one of the biggest causes of death. Marijuana, on the contrary of alcohol, does not cause euphoria (followed by depression), but rather soothes and calms people. So, if drunk people are dangerous because they are euphoric, people on marijuana are less dangerous, for they are "doped" (or calmed if you wish to say it).

So, what is the big fuzz against marijuana when we accept more toxic and dangerous substances?

iginlawasup

Ban all of them :|

People get it one way or another, it's the same with weed.

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]you care if i put harmful things into my body that i KNOW are harmful?Welkabonz

[QUOTE="Welkabonz"][QUOTE="needled24-7"]you care if i put harmful things into my body that i KNOW are harmful?needled24-7

[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"]That is not a valid comparison. A more rational comparison, would be punching someone in the face is legal(tobacco), or kicking them in the face(alcohol), but if you punch them in the arm you go to jail(marijuana). Then you come in and suggest why not allow someone to shoot people in the face then(heroin). Slavery was one legal, does that mean it was acceptable? Legal or illegal does not automatically mean right or wrong.Welkabonz

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="Welkabonz"] For the sake of argument, yes. I'm glad that you can admit that.Welkabonz

So do you think marijuana prohibition has controlled it's trade? And life itself hastens the destruction of life, should we ban time next? There are some decisions people should be left to make for themselves. And a person who is not hurting anyone else should not be a criminal. warbmxjohn

[QUOTE="Welkabonz"][QUOTE="needled24-7"]i'm not gonna sit here and say weed is completely harmless. i wasn't talking just about weed though. i know cigarettes are way worse, but the thing is, i don't care. if i decide to do cocaine, i know that's bad as well, but again, that's my deal, nobody else's. it's ridiculous that i can be arrested for smoking a tree

needled24-7

[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"]So do you think marijuana prohibition has controlled it's trade? And life itself hastens the destruction of life, should we ban time next? There are some decisions people should be left to make for themselves. And a person who is not hurting anyone else should not be a criminal. Welkabonz

I can agree to an extent, the problem is there are drugs out there that can take a person over and cause them to hurt others in the name of their fix. It is obvious that some drugs are more harmful than others, so why not look at each drug objectively and decide whether or not it would be feasible to at least decriminalize it. Marijuana is not physically addictive, it is not a drug a person would lose control over their life with to get their fix, such as crack, meth, or heroin. Legalizing all drugs would just be a cop out form determining the objective harm of each specific substance. All or nothing is a very lazy approach to this dilemma.warbmxjohn