Why ban pot if we have cigarrettes and cigars?

long story short -

in the US all the major politicians are in the back pocket of alcohol, pharmaceutical and tobacco companies. legalizing marijuana would drive those companies out of business (or they would lose large percentages of annual income) so the politicians keep it illegal so that the drug co's (who basically prescribe allergy meds with a possible death side effect) alcohol and tobacco co's can stay in business and continue to line the politicians pockets.

awesome reason huh? /sarcasm

z4twenny

this.

i read something like this in a book called Bathroom Reader. its a book full of random interesting facts and stories and about things you never ever knew. it even adresses those dumb little questions we all have that cant even be found on the internet sometimes.

Seriously, I dont get why such a strong ban on marijuana when we have cigarrettes and cigars. Some say because it is bad for health. Well, I may be new in this world but for as what I know, tobacco kills by millions. Tobacco kills people who smoke and sickens people who just are near smokers. Itis arguably possibly the most addictive thing thereis (except for substances which create a physical dependency)if we are talking about mental addiction. And it has no REAL beneficial effect. It calms? Yes, but so does marijuana. I'd say legalize the "drug", or ban tobacco, if legislators were "sincerely" worried about our health.

And going a little further on comparisons, what about alcohol Vs. Marijuana. I admit that research has demonstrated that alcohol in small doses is beneficial. One cup/glass of beer, wine, wodka and even tequila may be beneficial, but so marijuana can be. And both marijuana and alcohol can be toxic and fatal. However, when talking about alcohol no one would even dare to ban it again, even though alcohol + car is one of the biggest causes of death. Marijuana, on the contrary of alcohol, does not cause euphoria (followed by depression), but rather soothes and calms people. So, if drunk people are dangerous because they are euphoric, people on marijuana are less dangerous, for they are "doped" (or calmed if you wish to say it).

So, what is the big fuzz against marijuana when we accept more toxic and dangerous substances?

curono

Smear Campaigns FTW!!

[QUOTE="curono"]

Seriously, I dont get why such a strong ban on marijuana when we have cigarrettes and cigars. Some say because it is bad for health. Well, I may be new in this world but for as what I know, tobacco kills by millions. Tobacco kills people who smoke and sickens people who just are near smokers. Itis arguably possibly the most addictive thing thereis (except for substances which create a physical dependency)if we are talking about mental addiction. And it has no REAL beneficial effect. It calms? Yes, but so does marijuana. I'd say legalize the "drug", or ban tobacco, if legislators were "sincerely" worried about our health.

And going a little further on comparisons, what about alcohol Vs. Marijuana. I admit that research has demonstrated that alcohol in small doses is beneficial. One cup/glass of beer, wine, wodka and even tequila may be beneficial, but so marijuana can be. And both marijuana and alcohol can be toxic and fatal. However, when talking about alcohol no one would even dare to ban it again, even though alcohol + car is one of the biggest causes of death. Marijuana, on the contrary of alcohol, does not cause euphoria (followed by depression), but rather soothes and calms people. So, if drunk people are dangerous because they are euphoric, people on marijuana are less dangerous, for they are "doped" (or calmed if you wish to say it).

So, what is the big fuzz against marijuana when we accept more toxic and dangerous substances?

lightleggy

You need to do a little more research, friend.

I, personally, would feel much more comfortable around a group of dazed stoners then a group of angry drunks.

I've never seen Marijuana cause someone to become violent or prone to bursts of anger the way i've seen Alcohol do it.

I dunno...having used both, i think people who compare alcohol to marijuana don't really understand either of the drugs.

[QUOTE="curono"]

Seriously, I dont get why such a strong ban on marijuana when we have cigarrettes and cigars. Some say because it is bad for health. Well, I may be new in this world but for as what I know, tobacco kills by millions. Tobacco kills people who smoke and sickens people who just are near smokers. Itis arguably possibly the most addictive thing thereis (except for substances which create a physical dependency)if we are talking about mental addiction. And it has no REAL beneficial effect. It calms? Yes, but so does marijuana. I'd say legalize the "drug", or ban tobacco, if legislators were "sincerely" worried about our health.

And going a little further on comparisons, what about alcohol Vs. Marijuana. I admit that research has demonstrated that alcohol in small doses is beneficial. One cup/glass of beer, wine, wodka and even tequila may be beneficial, but so marijuana can be. And both marijuana and alcohol can be toxic and fatal. However, when talking about alcohol no one would even dare to ban it again, even though alcohol + car is one of the biggest causes of death. Marijuana, on the contrary of alcohol, does not cause euphoria (followed by depression), but rather soothes and calms people. So, if drunk people are dangerous because they are euphoric, people on marijuana are less dangerous, for they are "doped" (or calmed if you wish to say it).

So, what is the big fuzz against marijuana when we accept more toxic and dangerous substances?

lightleggy

Well, it began when a man named William Hearst inherited a newspaper from his father in 1887 called "The San Francisco Examiner". He then moved to New York and acquired the newspaper "The New York Journal". William Hearst was known for what was called "Yellow Journalism", which meant that he exaggerated or many times even lied about stories just to get more people to read his newspapers.


His newspapers became very popular and Mr. Hearst became very wealthy. William Randolph Hearst also happened to own hundreds of acres of timber forest and paper mills. In the 1930's, Mr. Hearst learned about a threat to his paper mills; which happened to be marijuana. Hemp had been introduced to America as another way to produce paper-materials. This being the case, William Hearst ran many articles about how horrible hemp was; which eventually lead to the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937, a law that successfully outlawed hemp.

And this, my friends…is why Marijuana is outlawed to this day. Ah, I hated my Media in US History college course…but it sure taught me a lot.

Oh how I wish William Hearst could suffer *Tears*

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="curono"]

Seriously, I dont get why such a strong ban on marijuana when we have cigarrettes and cigars. Some say because it is bad for health. Well, I may be new in this world but for as what I know, tobacco kills by millions. Tobacco kills people who smoke and sickens people who just are near smokers. Itis arguably possibly the most addictive thing thereis (except for substances which create a physical dependency)if we are talking about mental addiction. And it has no REAL beneficial effect. It calms? Yes, but so does marijuana. I'd say legalize the "drug", or ban tobacco, if legislators were "sincerely" worried about our health.

And going a little further on comparisons, what about alcohol Vs. Marijuana. I admit that research has demonstrated that alcohol in small doses is beneficial. One cup/glass of beer, wine, wodka and even tequila may be beneficial, but so marijuana can be. And both marijuana and alcohol can be toxic and fatal. However, when talking about alcohol no one would even dare to ban it again, even though alcohol + car is one of the biggest causes of death. Marijuana, on the contrary of alcohol, does not cause euphoria (followed by depression), but rather soothes and calms people. So, if drunk people are dangerous because they are euphoric, people on marijuana are less dangerous, for they are "doped" (or calmed if you wish to say it).

So, what is the big fuzz against marijuana when we accept more toxic and dangerous substances?

Joshywaa

You need to do a little more research, friend.

I, personally, would feel much more comfortable around a group of dazed stoners then a group of angry drunks.

I've never seen Marijuana cause someone to become violent or prone to bursts of anger the way i've seen Alcohol do it.

I dunno...having used both, i think people who compare alcohol to marijuana don't really understand either of the drugs.

You raise excellent questions. I dont know why.

As with most things, it is stupid politics and bureaucracy.

However, the only rational reason is because weed impairs your abilities to an extent immediately, while cigarettes do not

mrbojangles25

True, however alcohol impairs your ability WAY more than smoking marijuana does. Alcohol is, in fact, poisonous.

Marijuana cannot be easily regulated and taxed if it is make legal. Therfore the government has nothing (financially) to gain from making it legal.

[QUOTE="Joshywaa"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] because the weed is more dangerous for the people surrounding you, Im not talking about "passive smokers", im talking about that the effects the weed has on you, they can make you harm or even kill a bunch of persons, while its also lethal for your nervous system. I dont know much about alcohol effects, but I think that it doesn't affect nervous system (correct me if im wrong pls) and thats why they dont bann itlightleggy

You need to do a little more research, friend.

I, personally, would feel much more comfortable around a group of dazed stoners then a group of angry drunks.

I've never seen Marijuana cause someone to become violent or prone to bursts of anger the way i've seen Alcohol do it.

I dunno...having used both, i think people who compare alcohol to marijuana don't really understand either of the drugs.

cigarrettes and cigars do not impair your judgement at all! if marijuana was legal more ppl would be smoking it and more people would have their judgement impaired and be under the influence. the government already has to deal with ppl getting drunk off alcohol and another drug would definitely put it over the top. marijuana impaires your judgement completely for a period of time and is extremely dangerous when driving. alcohol is also very dangerous while driving and thats why they have laws against it and if your caught your going to jail and losing your licence. ppl dont seem to understand that marijuana is NOT good and can also lead to health problems like cigarrettes do. although cigarrettes do not impair your judgement and affect your state of mind.

I do not mean to offend you at all, but It sounds like you do not know much about marijuana effects either. Your "facts" are practically straight out of the decades old propagana joke, Reefer Madness.warbmxjohn

I love that movie!

"Under the influence of marijuana, he murdered his whole family with an axe"

:lol:

[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"]I do not mean to offend you at all, but It sounds like you do not know much about marijuana effects either. Your "facts" are practically straight out of the decades old propagana joke, Reefer Madness.effena

I love that movie!

"Under the influence of marijuana, he murdered his whole family with an axe"

:lol:

Seriously, I dont get why such a strong ban on marijuana when we have cigarrettes and cigars. Some say because it is bad for health. Well, I may be new in this world but for as what I know, tobacco kills by millions. Tobacco kills people who smoke and sickens people who just are near smokers. Itis arguably possibly the most addictive thing thereis (except for substances which create a physical dependency)if we are talking about mental addiction. And it has no REAL beneficial effect. It calms? Yes, but so does marijuana. I'd say legalize the "drug", or ban tobacco, if legislators were "sincerely" worried about our health.

And going a little further on comparisons, what about alcohol Vs. Marijuana. I admit that research has demonstrated that alcohol in small doses is beneficial. One cup/glass of beer, wine, wodka and even tequila may be beneficial, but so marijuana can be. And both marijuana and alcohol can be toxic and fatal. However, when talking about alcohol no one would even dare to ban it again, even though alcohol + car is one of the biggest causes of death. Marijuana, on the contrary of alcohol, does not cause euphoria (followed by depression), but rather soothes and calms people. So, if drunk people are dangerous because they are euphoric, people on marijuana are less dangerous, for they are "doped" (or calmed if you wish to say it).

So, what is the big fuzz against marijuana when we accept more toxic and dangerous substances?

curono

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

Why would legalizing marijuana drive those other companies out of bussiness?

cyberdarkkid

because marijuana is a cheap, plentiful, easy-to-produce medicine that is a cure-all for many illnesses and bad stuff, and is also great for treating pain and enduring things. Chronic pain, glaucoma, cancer, headaches, hangovers...it can easily, naturally, and safely take the place of many medicines people pay too much for and endure too many side effects.

Would you rather grow a few plants in your back yard for near-free and smoke weed, which feels nice, to treat your athritis?

Or would you prefer to take expensive prescription medicine that makes you feel queezy for a few hours after ingestion?

Legalizing marijuana for medical purposes and legalizing it for recreational use are two different things.

very true, but I was replying to his question (see above quote), and not the original post.

with that said, it is time to get over our paranoia concerning marijuana. We live in a world full of alcohol which affects people's judgements immediately, and a world full of smokers who often suffer from cancer

is one more relatively harmless, relatively addiction-free (though habit forming, but what isnt) really that bad?

I wouldn't worry if cigarettes and cigars were banned.duxup

tbh it would do me a lot of good.

I mean, I really really enjoy my tobacco but I want to quit so bad.

However, it is a slippery slope...if we ban tobacco, why not alcohol? And I would absolutely not be able to survive without alcohol. I would fight,kill, and die (well, maybe notdie...)to ensure that people retain the right to drink refreshing beers and tasty cocktails.

[QUOTE="duxup"]I wouldn't worry if cigarettes and cigars were banned.mrbojangles25

tbh it would do me a lot of good.

I mean, I really really enjoy my tobacco but I want to quit so bad.

However, it is a slippery slope...if we ban tobacco, why not alcohol? And I would absolutely not be able to survive without alcohol. I would fight,kill, and die (well, maybe notdie...)to ensure that people retain the right to drink refreshing beers and tasty cocktails.

It would be a good thing for society if we could successfully ban cigarettes.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="duxup"]I wouldn't worry if cigarettes and cigars were banned._en1gma_

tbh it would do me a lot of good.

I mean, I really really enjoy my tobacco but I want to quit so bad.

However, it is a slippery slope...if we ban tobacco, why not alcohol? And I would absolutely not be able to survive without alcohol. I would fight,kill, and die (well, maybe notdie...)to ensure that people retain the right to drink refreshing beers and tasty cocktails.

agreed

I was just trying to see one good thing about it, and the only thing I could find was extremely selfish (me wanting to quit, not being able to, and tobacco being illegal the only way for me to quit).

Goes to show there really isnt a good reason :P

It would be a good thing for society if we could successfully ban cigarettes.

pianist

yea but thats, like, no fun, man.

[QUOTE="pianist"]

It would be a good thing for society if we could successfully ban cigarettes.

mrbojangles25

yea but thats, like, no fun, man.

I would think suffering with cancer or any of the other numerous chronic ailments that are directly tied to cigarette smoking is even less fun than no fun. :P

You raise excellent questions. I dont know why.

As with most things, it is stupid politics and bureaucracy.

However, the only rational reason is because weed impairs your abilities to an extent immediately, while cigarettes do not

mrbojangles25

like.. get you hungry :P

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="pianist"]

It would be a good thing for society if we could successfully ban cigarettes.

pianist

yea but thats, like, no fun, man.

I would think suffering with cancer or any of the other numerous chronic ailments that are directly tied to cigarette smoking is even less fun than no fun. :P

pffft who cares, thats like 30 years away!

:P

seriously, though, I agree. Its so hard to quit though. Add to this the fact that I am A.) changing my diet, B.) trying to lose weight (i.e. giving up a lot of good food and also not drinking beer), and C.) cutting back on video games, its a recipe for disaster lol. Smoking is like the one thing I feel I can hang onto that wont get in the way of my goals

You know what I'd like to see? Food companies lobbying for legalization.

imagine the profits Doritos would make if it gets legalized. :P :lol:

pffft who cares, thats like 30 years away!

:P

seriously, though, I agree. Its so hard to quit though. Add to this the fact that I am A.) changing my diet, B.) trying to lose weight (i.e. giving up a lot of good food and also not drinking beer), and C.) cutting back on video games, its a recipe for disaster lol. Smoking is like the one thing I feel I can hang onto that wont get in the way of my goals

mrbojangles25

That seriously DOES sound rough. I'd probably try to tackle only one thing at a time. It's like practicing piano. You can try to fix everything you don't like about your playing at once, but odds are you'll get 'er done faster if you focus on one thing at a time. Best of luck, though; hope you accomplish your goals!

[QUOTE="charomid"]

cigarrettes and cigars do not impair your judgement at all! if marijuana was legal more ppl would be smoking it and more people would have their judgement impaired and be under the influence. the government already has to deal with ppl getting drunk off alcohol and another drug would definitely put it over the top. marijuana impaires your judgement completely for a period of time and is extremely dangerous when driving. alcohol is also very dangerous while driving and thats why they have laws against it and if your caught your going to jail and losing your licence. ppl dont seem to understand that marijuana is NOT good and can also lead to health problems like cigarrettes do. although cigarrettes do not impair your judgement and affect your state of mind.

Pot doesn't impair your judgement, though. That's alcohol.

Truthfully, I'd rather not walk down the street somewhere and people are smoking pot and about the time I get to the store I am going to, I am as high as them.

Well, it began when a man named William Hearst inherited a newspaper from his father in 1887 called "The San Francisco Examiner". He then moved to New York and acquired the newspaper "The New York Journal". William Hearst was known for what was called "Yellow Journalism", which meant that he exaggerated or many times even lied about stories just to get more people to read his newspapers.


His newspapers became very popular and Mr. Hearst became very wealthy. William Randolph Hearst also happened to own hundreds of acres of timber forest and paper mills. In the 1930's, Mr. Hearst learned about a threat to his paper mills; which happened to be marijuana. Hemp had been introduced to America as another way to produce paper-materials. This being the case, William Hearst ran many articles about how horrible hemp was; which eventually lead to the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937, a law that successfully outlawed hemp.

And this, my friends…is why Marijuana is outlawed to this day. Ah, I hated my Media in US History college course…but it sure taught me a lot.

Oh how I wish William Hearst could suffer *Tears*

Well, it began when a man named William Hearst inherited a newspaper from his father in 1887 called "The San Francisco Examiner". He then moved to New York and acquired the newspaper "The New York Journal". William Hearst was known for what was called "Yellow Journalism", which meant that he exaggerated or many times even lied about stories just to get more people to read his newspapers.


His newspapers became very popular and Mr. Hearst became very wealthy. William Randolph Hearst also happened to own hundreds of acres of timber forest and paper mills. In the 1930's, Mr. Hearst learned about a threat to his paper mills; which happened to be marijuana. Hemp had been introduced to America as another way to produce paper-materials. This being the case, William Hearst ran many articles about how horrible hemp was; which eventually lead to the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937, a law that successfully outlawed hemp.

And this, my friends…is why Marijuana is outlawed to this day. Ah, I hated my Media in US History college course…but it sure taught me a lot.

Oh how I wish William Hearst could suffer *Tears*

Truthfully, I'd rather not walk down the street somewhere and people are smoking pot and about the time I get to the store I am going to, I am as high as them.

tokra213

Yes lets legalize more things for pathetic reasons like you offer and excuses, where will it stop?Birdy09

Do you understand what it means to draw a line? Do you? Do You? Do You? Do You? Do You? If you let someone take one step they will will try to take another then another, BECAUSE they are defiant.

Our predecessors made the MISTAKE of legalizing Alcoholic beverage & Tobacco. Just because they made those mistakes doesn't mean we should make more. If we legalized pot not only would we have more idiots to deal with on a regular basis but 15-20 years from now the idiot offspring will want something else legalized based on the same idiot logic.

Why not study the law? Doing so will answer all of your questions.

Cigarettes & cigars should be banned, because the method of production as well as burning of and improper disposal of these items are hazardous to the ecosystem. On top of that they don't benefit society in anyway. They just cause and increase problems.

Hey Gusys! Legelize Exctasy, its not that harmful as they say it is! Crime will plummet :roll: If you really care about something that should be regulated and not just for your own "lolz I like Weed, please legalize it, I got excuses!" that actually may help people, complain about Prostitution and its dangers.Birdy09

Maybe you should do some research before just straight out bashing something.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Hey Gusys! Legelize Exctasy, its not that harmful as they say it is! Crime will plummet :roll: If you really care about something that should be regulated and not just for your own "lolz I like Weed, please legalize it, I got excuses!" that actually may help people, complain about Prostitution and its dangers.shoot-first

Maybe you should do some research before just straight out bashing something.

Do you understand what it means to draw a line? Do you? Do You? Do You? Do You? Do You? If you let someone take one step they will will try to take another then another, BECAUSE they are defiant.

Our predecessors made the MISTAKE of legalizing Alcoholic beverage & Tobacco. Just because they made those mistakes doesn't mean we should make more. If we legalized pot not only would we have more idiots to deal with on a regular basis but 15-20 years from now the idiot offspring will want something else legalized based on the same idiot logic.

Why not study the law? Doing so will answer all of your questions.

Cigarettes & cigars should be banned, because the method of production as well as burning of and improper disposal of these items are hazardous to the ecosystem. On top of that they don't benefit society in anyway. They just cause and increase problems.

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

Do you understand what it means to draw a line? Do you? Do You? Do You? Do You? Do You? If you let someone take one step they will will try to take another then another, BECAUSE they are defiant.

Our predecessors made the MISTAKE of legalizing Alcoholic beverage & Tobacco. Just because they made those mistakes doesn't mean we should make more. If we legalized pot not only would we have more idiots to deal with on a regular basis but 15-20 years from now the idiot offspring will want something else legalized based on the same idiot logic.

Why not study the law? Doing so will answer all of your questions.

Cigarettes & cigars should be banned, because the method of production as well as burning of and improper disposal of these items are hazardous to the ecosystem. On top of that they don't benefit society in anyway. They just cause and increase problems.

curono

I think we already have all the stuff he is claiming the legalization of pot will bring. We have tons of idiots out here and they are not even on pot, they're sober. -_-

Because smoking pot is new and the human race is instinctively afraid of trying/doing new things.

there is no good reason why pot should stay illegal. Perhaps they should decriminalize it. I mean, it's not like anyone cares if it's illegal, millions still smoke it every day. Plus, the govt could tax it, or just sell it in certain shops, like Amsterdammohfrontline

almost any drug is legalcurono

[QUOTE="curono"]almost any drug is legalLto_thaG

What would happen if it was like that here? That's what you gotta wonder. Germany's drinking age is 16 and they seem to have no problems, weed is legal in Amsterdam, and again it's a very quiet country. I fail to see how legalizing pot would be a bad thing

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

[QUOTE="curono"]almost any drug is legalmohfrontline

What would happen if it was like that here? That's what you gotta wonder. Germany's drinking age is 16 and they seem to have no problems, weed is legal in Amsterdam, and again it's a very quiet country. I fail to see how legalizing pot would be a bad thing