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#101 matthayter700
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[QUOTE="Toriko42"]Without France America would not exist. CptJSparrow
But without America France would not exist.

Again, to both sides, unless you can change the past, you can't really test these theories, so how can you be so sure?
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#102 CptJSparrow
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Toriko42"]Without France America would not exist. matthayter700
But without America France would not exist.

Again, to both sides, unless you can change the past, you can't really test these theories, so how can you be so sure?

Because that is the point.
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#103 rom11
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Lol no one likes the french no one knows why :oras2009
I like French chicks.
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#104 deactivated-5901ac91d8e33
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[QUOTE="Toriko42"]Without France America would not exist. CptJSparrow
But without America France would not exist. All countries have their feuds; all countries have their own aggrandizement.

Why not?
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#105 Franko_3
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Hating the country that give you your language and your freedom is kinda stupid... Let's hate the ***! :P
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#106 LeePearce
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Well I don't think they really like anyone themselves, so what goes around comes around.
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#107 matthayter700
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[QUOTE="matthayter700"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] But without America France would not exist.CptJSparrow
Again, to both sides, unless you can change the past, you can't really test these theories, so how can you be so sure?

Because that is the point.

What do you mean?
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#108 smokeydabear076
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I don't hate the French and if you are talking about jokes about the French, well those are jokes.... they aren't meant to be taken 100% literally and it isn't hatred. People poke fun at the US all of the time, is that hatred too? Sure some people say those things and believe them, but to assume that all Americans feel that way is quite frankly... not very smart...
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#109 matthayter700
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I don't hate the French and if you are talking about jokes about the French, well those are jokes.... they aren't meant to be taken 100% literally and it isn't hatred. People poke fun at the US all of the time, is that hatred too? Sure some people say those things and believe them, but to assume that all Americans feel that way is quite frankly... not very smart...smokeydabear076
No doubt. People ought to be careful about making generalizations, especially those not based on science.
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#110 kemar7856
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[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="matthayter700"] What are you talking about? I don't remember that from high school history, and either way, what does that have to do with crediting Americans with allied victory?matthayter700
On of Hitler's He-111 bombers was on a raid and released it's bombs over London. The British responded with a raid on Berlin. Hitler got pissed and focused his bombings on cities and anti-air defenses. With the bombers focusing on the cities and not the airfields, it gave the Royal Air Force a bit of breathing room.

Really? Anything from a reliable historian or history textbook confirming this? If so, that's pretty interesting; Hitler lost the war because he succumbed to his anger...

yes it is because England held it's own in the war because at this point they wore on their own because the US didn't enter until 1941.Hitler got impatient and decided to attack the soviet union which was on their side at the time.However the soviets owned them because they outnumbered Germany and had better experience fighting in the winter. I thought why ppl don't like France was because they surrendered to Germany
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#111 1mpaler-w6rbnd
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Because they can't pronounce Pepper correctly. It always has to be Pe-puiher!
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#112 solo-chaos
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i think it tarted when america refused to help france in there revolution and rightly so they were just runing around killing everyone we were fighting for freedom

so anyway i guess they were a little mad because they helped us out in our revolution

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#113 limpbizkit818
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[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Americans aren't British :|-Sun_Tzu-
We started off as a British colony and if you trace backward the anti-french sentiment in American it has roots from way back then. Yea, I know today that most of us are not British, but you get my point.

Historically America and France have been very amicable towards one another. Of course the two parties have had their up's and their down's, but they have historically have tried to mantain a very friendly relationship. If this "anti-french" sentiment even exists in America, it would have it's roots in France's opposition to the Vietnam and Iraq war, among other things. It would have nothing to do with France's relationship with Britain.

The government may have tried to mantain a friendly relationship, but we're disscusing what the people think. And yes, ties with England most certainly directed early sentiment against the French. This probelm is not new. Obviously things like WW2, Vietnam, and Iraq just continue the tradition (which is what it really has become at this point).

In the end I think it's superficial; who dosn't make fun of the French? Who doesnt make fun of Americans? Germans? Everyone gets picked on. Of course I wouldn't go so far to say that Americans hate anyone in particular.

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#114 Saxsoon
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[QUOTE="_Sundodger_"]Google 'french military victories' and click I'm Feeling Lucky. HILARIOUS http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

I am feeling lucky is the most brilliant thing ever. Thanks for the good laugh.
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#115 entropyecho
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Of course I wouldn't go so far to say that Americans hate anyone in particular.

limpbizkit818

What about terrorists?

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#116 DataDream
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I just want to say - I am American and I absolutely DO NOT hate the French in any way. In fact I think France has allot figured out that the rest of the Western world could benefit from listening to.

The issue is not one of boarders so much as refinement. The fact is that many Americans are ignorant of the world outside her own boarders. Many Americans just buy into the propoganda of the government, the society and what their parents and friends tell them to believe (which is usually what their parents told them, and their parents told them, etc...).

I think that France has a different way of looking for solutions at time than what is normally considered the American way of looking at things - and because of the people who aren't able to see things on a bigger scale they automatically think that any way different than what they have been taught to think, is the wrong way. So due to the fact that France many times looks at things differently - and different is "wrong" from these people perspective - well they equate France to being "wrong" many times.

Anyway - this is just my opinion, but not all Americans are oblivious and blind to different ways of looking at things. Not all of us are so arrogant.

Anyway - I love the peace loving people of France - and the artistic culture it creates. Like I said more countries (including the U.S.) could benefit by adopting some similar philosophies IMHO.

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#118 gamah_killah
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Because we eat better and healthier than them.

School, for example. We get entrees, and we're always satisfied with what we eat. Average american schools get mediocre meals everyday IMO. Most don't get satisfied, but oh wait, a snack machine! That's unhealthy.

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#120 alexmurray
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I dont know why the Americans dont like the French. If it wasnt for the French there woudnt be a US (In time britian would probably given independence like in Canada) America PLAYED A PART in liberating france (people seem to forget about the British and canadian troops) Now the english and french have hated each other since the days of william the conqueror because he was french and the french though that england was their territory after fighting on and of for the next1000 years you can see why they dont like each other
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#121 alexmurray
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Because they're pansies. I mean they back out of every war and they just have really mean personalitiessenses_blank

one war WW2 and they surrendered just like denmark, holland, Norway, ect

If the french where such pansies then the woudnt have created the resistance movement after the surrendor

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#122 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Because they surrender.vlin1108
That is pretty dumb.. Its funny that people use this specifically in things such as World War 2.. But people forget the only real powers that weren't conquerored were ones not due to strong military.. But were isolated from Germany from bodies of water like Britain, or US.. Or harsh terrain such as Russia.. I garentee if Great Britain or the United States were connected to the European continent landmass wise, they would have been steamrolled just as easilly by the German war machine.
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#123 cmdrmonkey
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Without France America would not exist. Toriko42

Without America, France would not exist. The French lost both world wars. In WWI they ran out of manpower due to poor leadership, bad decision-making, crappy weapons etc and had to rely on British and US troops. And in WW2 they surrendered and were occupied.

America would still be independent without France, it just would have been a longer process like in Canada or Australia.

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#124 MKLOL
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[QUOTE="_Sundodger_"]Google 'french military victories' and click I'm Feeling Lucky. HILARIOUS http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

- French Revolution - Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French. Hahahahahh EPIC WIN! :lol:
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#125 deactivated-5901ac91d8e33
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[QUOTE="Toriko42"]Without France America would not exist. cmdrmonkey

And without America, France would not exist. The French lost both world wars.

...what? They won the first world war. And explain why France would not exist please.
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#126 soulless4now
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I don't hate the French. :o
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#127 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="limpbizkit818"] We started off as a British colony and if you trace backward the anti-french sentiment in American it has roots from way back then. Yea, I know today that most of us are not British, but you get my point.limpbizkit818
Historically America and France have been very amicable towards one another. Of course the two parties have had their up's and their down's, but they have historically have tried to mantain a very friendly relationship. If this "anti-french" sentiment even exists in America, it would have it's roots in France's opposition to the Vietnam and Iraq war, among other things. It would have nothing to do with France's relationship with Britain.

The government may have tried to mantain a friendly relationship, but we're disscusing what the people think. And yes, ties with England most certainly directed early sentiment against the French. This probelm is not new. Obviously things like WW2, Vietnam, and Iraq just continue the tradition (which is what it really has become at this point).

In the end I think it's superficial; who dosn't make fun of the French? Who doesnt make fun of Americans? Germans? Everyone gets picked on. Of course I wouldn't go so far to say that Americans hate anyone in particular.

Well if we're discussing what the people think rather then the government, why bring up the Quasi-War? And we have to realize who was president during the XYZ affair, and more importantly; which political party was in in power. Public opinion on Jay's treaty was incredibly divided. Federalists loved it while democratic-republicans despised it. I would argue that the majority of Americans were not in favor of Jay's treaty, because after John Adams, the people never elected a president from the federalist party again, which I think had something to do with the way the Federalist party favored Britain (among other things John Adams and the Federalist party did).

The reason the American public had so much resentment towards France was not because of France's behavior towards Britain, but because of France's behavior towards America after the Jay treaty. Americans strongly admired the French for their role in the American Revolution, and the French strongly admired the Americans (the American Revolution inspired the French Revolution), "despite" the fact that the vast majority of Americans were of British descent.

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#128 cmdrmonkey
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[QUOTE="cmdrmonkey"]

[QUOTE="Toriko42"]Without France America would not exist. jointed

And without America, France would not exist. The French lost both world wars.

...what? They won the first world war. And explain why France would not exist please.

I suggest you do some reading. The French only "won" because they had the British fighting the war for them. By the end the French military had long since run out of manpower and been defeated by the Germans. As I said before, they had poor leadership, poor weapons, and couldn't win a battle on their own to save their lives.

Read about some of the early battles of the war and you will learn that the french went into battle wearing bright red and blue uniforms, because they thought wearing camoflague like the Germans would make them "uncivilized." German machine gunners picked them off by the tens of thousands. It was idiotic crap like that which led to their defeat.

Between the Franco-Prussian War, WWI, and WW2, France should have long ago been annexed by Germany. The only reason France exists today is because of the US and UK.

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#129 dk_2007
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Because all people hate everyone except them. When it comes to country they hate other countries. When it comes to state everyone hates other states. It applies to all other things like neighbourhoods, neighbours, boss, colleagues, religion, region , PS3, Xbox360, Wii.... We just need a reason.

We are talking about politics and we are talking about human nature.:lol:

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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="cmdrmonkey"]

And without America, France would not exist. The French lost both world wars.

cmdrmonkey

...what? They won the first world war. And explain why France would not exist please.

I suggest you do some reading. The French only "won" because they had the British fighting the war for them. By the end the French military had long since run out of manpower and been defeated by the Germans. As I said before, they had poor leadership, poor weapons, and couldn't win a battle on their own to save their lives.

Between the Franco-Prussian War, WWI, and WW2, the French should have long ago been annexed by Germany. The only reason France exists today is because of the US and UK.

Oh my, this is just like Christmas :lol: You're obviously commenting on something you know nothing about. Couldn't win a battle of their own? Have you ever heard of..ehhh..Verdun or the second battle of the Aisne? :lol: Germany's occupation of Northern France did in no way threaten the existance of a French state. So please, go ahead and tell me. How?
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#131 cmdrmonkey
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Verdun= a battle the Germans only lost because they had to withdraw to fight the British at the Somme.

Actually you just proved my point even more.

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#132 deactivated-5901ac91d8e33
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Verdun= a battle the Germans only lost because they had to withdraw to fight the British at the Somme.

Actually you just proved my point even more.

cmdrmonkey
To fight the British? :lol: France had 48 divisions at the somme whilst we had 51. Your argument and logic don't hold water. The war was a combined effort by both France and Britain, and later on the yanks. France was by no standards defeated.
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#133 UNHOLY_basic
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i dont hate the french. id take french peope over the typical condescendig/hypocritical uk'er anyday.
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#134 matthayter700
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I just want to say - I am American and I absolutely DO NOT hate the French in any way. In fact I think France has allot figured out that the rest of the Western world could benefit from listening to.

The issue is not one of boarders so much as refinement. The fact is that many Americans are ignorant of the world outside her own boarders. Many Americans just buy into the propoganda of the government, the society and what their parents and friends tell them to believe (which is usually what their parents told them, and their parents told them, etc...).

I think that France has a different way of looking for solutions at time than what is normally considered the American way of looking at things - and because of the people who aren't able to see things on a bigger scale they automatically think that any way different than what they have been taught to think, is the wrong way. So due to the fact that France many times looks at things differently - and different is "wrong" from these people perspective - well they equate France to being "wrong" many times.

Anyway - this is just my opinion, but not all Americans are oblivious and blind to different ways of looking at things. Not all of us are so arrogant.

Anyway - I love the peace loving people of France - and the artistic culture it creates. Like I said more countries (including the U.S.) could benefit by adopting some similar philosophies IMHO.DataDream

*applauds* Well said, DataDream, well said. It's refreshing to see this kind of moderate, respectful approach.

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#135 matthayter700
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Because they're pansies. I mean they back out of every war and they just have really mean personalitiessenses_blank
Wrong. http://www.militaryfactory.com/battles/french_military_victories.asp And what, if anything, do you base the "really mean personalities" part on?
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#136 dk_2007
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[QUOTE="Toriko42"]Without France America would not exist. cmdrmonkey

Without America, France would not exist. The French lost both world wars. In WWI they ran out of manpower due to poor leadership, bad decision-making, crappy weapons etc and had to rely on British and US troops. And in WW2 they surrendered and were occupied.

America would still be independent without France, it just would have been a longer process like in Canada or Australia.

That can be said about France too. France would still be independent without US & UK, it would just have been longer process ...

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#137 dk_2007
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Moreover, surrender, weakness are not good reasons for hating someone. Come on, we should find real reasons like jealousy, attitude etc. What are we jealous of? Culture?

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#138 dominer
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Most of the time people are joking.Plus, I see it in reverse.
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#139 CardiacKid07
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Because they surrender.vlin1108
thats usually what people say.
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#140 helium_flash
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Very few people actually hate the French. You need to stop watching so much TV.
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#141 wizard90
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I'd post something in French but I'd get modded :roll:DrSponge
quite rightly so..
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#142 Montaya
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Americans dont hate the French, but there are those who like to pick fun at the French because they are ignorant about what France has done to help America.
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#143 matthayter700
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Most of the time people are joking.Plus, I see it in reverse.dominer
Based on what?
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#144 dominer
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[QUOTE="dominer"]Most of the time people are joking.Plus, I see it in reverse.matthayter700
Based on what?

interwebs,their media, and the fact that theres a good amount of countries that already dont like us.

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#145 kittykatz5k
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It makes a good punchline, like how america gets made fun of. It's a punchline to terrible jokes in my opinion, but.
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#146 metroidfood
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It's just a running gag, like New Jersey jokes. ;)
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#147 cluelesspug
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I dunno. Escargot is pretty good.
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#148 matthayter700
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[QUOTE="matthayter700"][QUOTE="dominer"]Most of the time people are joking.Plus, I see it in reverse.dominer

Based on what?

interwebs,their media, and the fact that theres a good amount of countries that already dont like us.

What specifically within their media, or on their Internet?
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#149 SunofVich
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I dunno maybe we are jealous of there labor laws. They are required by law to have a month vacation per year, paid. If I could I would live in France just for that. I wonder if France needs any telephone techs.
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#150 dominer
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[QUOTE="dominer"]

[QUOTE="matthayter700"] Based on what?matthayter700

interwebs,their media, and the fact that theres a good amount of countries that already dont like us.

What specifically within their media, or on their Internet?

internet-forums like this one

tv-friend tried to show me some subbed french movies that had American disses here and there

Another thing too.My parents went to France and said there were a good amount of snarky people there.