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#102 choffy
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[QUOTE="SonKev"][QUOTE="choffy"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

Reasons to hate Sarah Palin...

  1. She is pro-life
  2. She supports the death penalty
  3. She opposes same sex marriage
  4. She supports the teaching of creationism
  5. She couldn't give a **** about the environment
  6. She is a gun toting redneck
  7. She is a Republican

Johnny-Quest

You just proved she is the best choice!

Exactly my thought! lol!

Why are those things to be proud of. We need to take care of our earth not destroy it. Creationism has no scientfic base so it shouldnt be taught in science class. I dont care what you teach in churches, dont bring religion into science. Pro-life does not work for the reasons I posted eariler in the thread. It takes more money to put an imate on death row than it does to keep him in prison for life. I dont want my tax money to go to putting some one to death.

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind-ghandi.

I don't care if you think Creation is wrong, I don't. This country was founded on the belief of God; why do so many people deny his existance now? It's horrible.

One nation, under GodDeclaration of Independence

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#103 North-North
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She has more expierence in the political world than Obama. She started in 92 while Obama 97. Liberals [like my damn dad] lie that she aint got more expirence. Hell f'n she do.

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#104 Shad0ki11
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A supposed experienced presidential candidate chose an inexperienced candidate for VP. Not a wise choice for someone who uses the the experience card when it comes to running for president.

Why say "vote for me because I have more experience" when you choose a VP who has little experience?

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#105 MilkMaster69
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I attack Palin simply because she was nominated to attract the post-Hillary female voters to the dark side. It is in bad taste on McCain's part.

Any former Clinton supporter is insulted by McCain's move, as if they only were on Clinton's side because she was a female. What a farce!

Palin is a Republican soccer mom clown with overt ambitions motivated by her former bad experiences with men, which generates her extreme aggressiveness.

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#106 noswear
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Because being pro-life and pro-guns is hypocritical.
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#107 Shad0ki11
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Because being pro-life and pro-guns is hypocritical.noswear

That's somewhat true.

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i think she's a hypocrite just like the rest of them...a sloppy one at that. if you are going to talk about wholesomeness don't have pictures of you and your underage kids drinking and parting with guns all over the net. yeh thats the message we want the kids to know. i also think she is a red neck on low. her son n law claims he's one and proud of it. ( saw it on the news) but i'll wait to hear what she can do for everyone instead of rallying the naive women with bs. this is going to be an interesting election....can't wait to see the outcome. shyskillz

OMG you actually that that doctored photo was REAL? You need to learn spelling and grammar before you start talking like you know something.

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#109 Dasacant
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Because being pro-life and pro-guns is hypocritical.noswear
Unless you want those guns to be used on people I don't see how...
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#110 UT_Wrestler
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Because being pro-life and pro-guns is hypocritical.noswear

Hypocritical? I find pro-abortion and anti-gun to be hypocritical; it's okay to kill a baby but it's not okay to kill an intruder, right?

Pro-gun, pro-life is very consistent; innocent babies should live and homes should be protected. Wow, that's so hypocritical.

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#111 noswear
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[QUOTE="noswear"]Because being pro-life and pro-guns is hypocritical.Dasacant
Unless you want those guns to be used on people I don't see how...

Oh yeah wait, I just realised guns are barely ever used on people. Seriously, who shoots guns? :P

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#112 noswear
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[QUOTE="noswear"]Because being pro-life and pro-guns is hypocritical.UT_Wrestler

Hypocritical? I find pro-abortion and anti-gun to be hypocritical; it's okay to kill a baby but it's not okay to kill an intruder, right?

Pro-gun, pro-life is very consistent; innocent babies should live and homes should be protected. Wow, that's so hypocritical.

If we had no guns then a gun would not be needed for defense. And besides, what percentage of guns are actually ever used for self defense?

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#113 UT_Wrestler
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I attack Palin simply because she was nominated to attract the post-Hillary female voters to the dark side. It is in bad taste on McCain's part.

Any former Clinton supporter is insulted by McCain's move, as if they only were on Clinton's side because she was a female. What a farce!

Palin is a Republican soccer mom clown with overt ambitions motivated by her former bad experiences with men, which generates her extreme aggressiveness.

MilkMaster69

"Former bad experiences with men"? What are you referring to?

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#114 UT_Wrestler
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[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]

[QUOTE="noswear"]Because being pro-life and pro-guns is hypocritical.noswear

Hypocritical? I find pro-abortion and anti-gun to be hypocritical; it's okay to kill a baby but it's not okay to kill an intruder, right?

Pro-gun, pro-life is very consistent; innocent babies should live and homes should be protected. Wow, that's so hypocritical.

If we had no guns then a gun would not be needed for defense. And besides, what percentage of guns are actually ever used for self defense?

How naive. If guns are made illegal, the only people who will still own guns are violent criminals who have no respect for the law in the first place.

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#115 SimpJee
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Caribou Barbie is not someone that seems very nice, why I don't like her. Everything has been negative coming out of her mouth, which doens't increase my fondness for her.
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#116 Dasacant
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[QUOTE="Dasacant"][QUOTE="noswear"]Because being pro-life and pro-guns is hypocritical.noswear

Unless you want those guns to be used on people I don't see how...

Oh yeah wait, I just realised guns are barely ever used on people. Seriously, who shoots guns? :P

legally? Hunters and people who shoot for sport mostly. (Not counting millitary and police of coarse)
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#117 noswear
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[QUOTE="noswear"][QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]

[QUOTE="noswear"]Because being pro-life and pro-guns is hypocritical.UT_Wrestler

Hypocritical? I find pro-abortion and anti-gun to be hypocritical; it's okay to kill a baby but it's not okay to kill an intruder, right?

Pro-gun, pro-life is very consistent; innocent babies should live and homes should be protected. Wow, that's so hypocritical.

If we had no guns then a gun would not be needed for defense. And besides, what percentage of guns are actually ever used for self defense?

How naive. If guns are made illegal, the only people who will still own guns are violent criminals who have no respect for the law in the first place.

I'm not saying guns should be made illegal now; that would cause chaos. But they should have been a long time ago.

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#118 andyboiii
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because she is awesome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTXh_fu61no&feature=user

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#119 UT_Wrestler
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[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"][QUOTE="noswear"][QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]

[QUOTE="noswear"]Because being pro-life and pro-guns is hypocritical.noswear

Hypocritical? I find pro-abortion and anti-gun to be hypocritical; it's okay to kill a baby but it's not okay to kill an intruder, right?

Pro-gun, pro-life is very consistent; innocent babies should live and homes should be protected. Wow, that's so hypocritical.

If we had no guns then a gun would not be needed for defense. And besides, what percentage of guns are actually ever used for self defense?

How naive. If guns are made illegal, the only people who will still own guns are violent criminals who have no respect for the law in the first place.

I'm not saying guns should be made illegal now; that would cause chaos. But they should have been a long time ago.

And when might that time have been? Would this be before or after we fought for independence? Would this be before or after the south seceded from the union?

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#120 Zcrimson07
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[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]

[QUOTE="noswear"]Because being pro-life and pro-guns is hypocritical.noswear

Hypocritical? I find pro-abortion and anti-gun to be hypocritical; it's okay to kill a baby but it's not okay to kill an intruder, right?

Pro-gun, pro-life is very consistent; innocent babies should live and homes should be protected. Wow, that's so hypocritical.

If we had no guns then a gun would not be needed for defense. And besides, what percentage of guns are actually ever used for self defense?

HAHAHAHA so the time people use a gun is when someone else comes at them with a gun? no! if an intruder breaks in with a knife and the husband is away...maybe the wife wants a gun to protect her children? just a thought? and a little story...my uncle, a former marine, lives in a bad part of town, someone broke into the house (also that of my grandparents) on several occasions but in one instance in particular and the intruder took my uncles samuri sword after my uncle he blocked it with his hand put him on the ground and held it to his throat until the police came...now he owns several rifles and a shotgun for sport but he has a habit of cleaning them on the porch so people know hes got them....hasn't had a break in since
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#121 Vancelvany
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She's a hot mama, we can't have a vp like that....Do you wanna see Palin and Obama rocking the White House together in bed in the middle of teh day with America's crisis ongoing?? Obama won't focus man... :|
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#122 agentzero23
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If Mcain dies or is unable to serve as President for a while. Palin would take over:(
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[QUOTE="shyskillz"]i think she's a hypocrite just like the rest of them...a sloppy one at that. if you are going to talk about wholesomeness don't have pictures of you and your underage kids drinking and parting with guns all over the net. yeh thats the message we want the kids to know. i also think she is a red neck on low. her son n law claims he's one and proud of it. ( saw it on the news) but i'll wait to hear what she can do for everyone instead of rallying the naive women with bs. this is going to be an interesting election....can't wait to see the outcome. UT_Wrestler

OMG you actually that that doctored photo was REAL? You need to learn spelling and grammar before you start talking like you know something.

look who is talking.....another kid trying to be an English Major on a gamesite. lol. you can't rank up on here buddy, you get no points for that and this is not english class. besides English is not my language so don't expect me to master it, and i refuse to anyway ( language is overrated ). sense you're concern, i do well enough with my English to live an above average lifestytle, maybe because i excell in science and the true universal language know as Mathematics. and so you know....the world will still keep spinning without one word from the english language....but you must be too young to understand that and even younger and inexperienced to know what a doctored up photo really looks like. meh... maybe you should learn something before screaming OMG. itz ok, i'm not mad at u thou.
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#124 Sajo7
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If Mcain dies or is unable to serve as President for a while. Palin would take over:(agentzero23

I wouldn't be too upset if McCain is President; I'd be absolutley terrified is Palin is President.

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#125 SupaBaddy20
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... for not having much experience; Obama doesn't have that much more than her. Besides, she's not going to be a President, only. a VP. We shouldn't have a President with as little experience as Obama.

So why is she such a target for being attacked? I'll admit I wasn't so sure she was the right choice for McCain but after seeing the speech last night, I'm 99% sure McCain will beat Obama

choffy
If I recall correctly she's a radical Catholic and I do not believe someone like that will conduct their beliefs professionally when dealing with demands of the American people..

I know she's a VP but still.. I have doubts that Mccain will either..
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#126 SupaBaddy20
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[QUOTE="agentzero23"]If Mcain dies or is unable to serve as President for a while. Palin would take over:(Sajo7

I wouldn't be too upset if McCain is President; I'd be absolutley terrified is Palin is President.

Oh I am very terrified of her as well.. You're not alone at all..
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... for not having much experience; Obama doesn't have that much more than her. Besides, she's not going to be a President, only. a VP. We shouldn't have a President with as little experience as Obama.

So why is she such a target for being attacked? I'll admit I wasn't so sure she was the right choice for McCain but after seeing the speech last night, I'm 99% sure McCain will beat Obama

choffy

they bash her for no experience because that was the republicans big attacks against Obama....and VP's should be a big deal because they are next in line should something happen to the president.

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#128 ArmoredAshes
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Shes hot, shes a Rep and she's into guns. Three things most GSers are against. Pirate700

ehhhhhhh idk about the hot part...i guess thats your opinion..and i would say that GS is kind of closely spilt on political opinions

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#129 ArmoredAshes
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Because Republicans constantly bash Obama for his inexperience, and then turn around in a very hypocritical fashion and praise Palin, someone with even LESS experience, to the skies.pyromaniac223

yeah...it seems like he picked her to appease people like my grandmother...to make them vote for him soley on the idea that she i female...

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#130 MattUD1
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I don't care if you think Creation is wrong, I don't. This country was founded on the belief of God; why do so many people deny his existance now? It's horrible.

[QUOTE="Declaration of Independence"]One nation, under Godchoffy

I just read the Declaration of Independence in my US History book and the only times it mentions God or Creator they are refering to nature. I'm not sure if you realized this but... most, if not all of the Founding Fathers were Diests. There is a difference. What you are refering to is the Pledge of Allegiance which was rewritten in the 1950's during the McCarthy Communist (read: Witch) Hunts.

Here is one...

And another

And here we actually have blocks with all subsequent changes

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[QUOTE="Johnny-Quest"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Johnny-Quest"][QUOTE="choffy"][QUOTE="Johnny-Quest"][QUOTE="choffy"]

[QUOTE="Johnny-Quest"]Palin is nothing but an attempt to take away hillary supportersThe_Mac_Daddy

I thought her "down-to-earth," and "we're not perfect family" would appeal to women voters as well

Plus the Hockey Mom thing too

The fact she is anti-abortion pretty much takes away the support of a lot of hildog supporters.

Good. She should be. I am too; most abortions are because people make stupid decisions (usually teenage girls) and don't want the responsibility of being a parent when they're 17. The only time abortion should be allowed is if some poor girl gets raped and becomes pregnant. But that's it.

I had the option for my girlfriend to get an abortion and we decided not too (I was 18). Best decision we ever made.

Well I'm glad you are happy with your decision. In freakonomics he lays out a pretty good case that abortion reduces crime, because growing up in a broken house does not help the nation. Abstance programs do not work (looks at palins daughter and the baby's fathers myspace). It should be a choice plain and simple, if your against it fine it's your choice not the states. Republican's are always saying that government should be smaller, the anti-abortion thing then does not make since. I don't want the government forcing me to have the child if I don't want it/cannot support it.

Abortions aren't just a "stay out of my business" kind of thing. In a lot of people's eyes, it's murder. If you murder someone you can't just tell the government to stay out of your business. "I don't wanna deal with this guy so I'm just gunna kill him". "I don't wanna deal with this kid so I'm just gunna kill it". People see it in the same way.

I know. There is a big difference however in killing some one who has actually lives and has conscious thought than aborting a fetus with none of the above. I would not know the difference if I was not born compared to some one coming up and attacking me and killing me. If you outlaw abortions it is not going to stop people from performing them. Here are some sources that prove it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/world/12abortion.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/health/views/03essa.html?scp=2&sq=abortion%20physician%20before%20roe%20v%20wade&st=cse

The fact is that if some one wants an abortion they are going to do it. Above all, we need to keep it legal to prevent these sort of problems in our nation. Making it illegal will only cause more strain on our health care system and take it into unsafe territory that it doesn't need to belong in.

The ny times is one of the most liberal newspapers around.. of course they would try to support pro choice. There are home abortions that are done now, even though it's legal to get an abortion. The people who get it done by a doctor play by the rules. If it was illegal, then they would put it up for adoption.

Most people who have the home abortions are usually teens trying to hide it from their mother.

oh please mac......I mean, come on, here it comes:

Mac daddy is one of the most conservative persons around here.. of course he would try to support pro life.

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#132 Theokhoth
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Palin is much more experienced than Obama. The fact that a Presidential candidate has to be compared to an "unknown" Vice Presidential candidate is pretty pathetic on the part of the Pres. candidate.
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#133 Trashface
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Reasons to hate Sarah Palin...

  1. She is pro-life
  2. She supports the death penalty
  3. She opposes same sex marriage
  4. She supports the teaching of creationism
  5. She couldn't give a **** about the environment
  6. She is a gun toting redneck
  7. She is a Republican

dbowman

1. good for her

2. awesome

3. excellent

4. she wants it taught as part of a philosophy course

5. even some environmentalist know that global warming is just natural climate change and that it was not caused by man

6. you are ignorant

7. so she believes in people being responsible for themselves. awesome

The true reason is that she is being attacked so harshly is because she has united the republican party. She stands for things that power hungry, pandering liberals hate. When she was nomintaed, the leftist media was set into a panicked frenzy and they had reason to panic. Unlike Biden, she is a true washington outsider who can relate to the average person. Remember how Obama used to preach about a washington outsider being so important. She probably won the election for McCain and that's why she is being attacked (mostly on non issues at that)

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#134 shoeman12
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because the liberals of scared now, they know she's a big help to McCain's campaign.
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#135 shoeman12
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Reasons to hate Sarah Palin...

  1. She is pro-life
  2. She supports the death penalty
  3. She opposes same sex marriage
  4. She supports the teaching of creationism
  5. She couldn't give a **** about the environment
  6. She is a gun toting redneck
  7. She is a Republican

dbowman

with the exception of number 4, those are all reasons to love her.

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#136 Trashface
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Reasons to hate Sarah Palin...

  1. She is pro-life
  2. She supports the death penalty
  3. She opposes same sex marriage
  4. She supports the teaching of creationism
  5. She couldn't give a **** about the environment
  6. She is a gun toting redneck
  7. She is a Republican

dbowman

I have a little bit more to say about #5 and 6. :)

About #5, I'm guessing you're talking about drilling. Do you have any idea how much drilling would help the economy and how much oil Alaska has? Obama and liberals are pushing a false idea that we don't need oil. Presently, there is NO valid alternative for oil. Aside from fuel, do you have any idea how many of our goods use oil as a component? Political parties CAN NOT CONTROL THE MARKET.

Now about #6. I own a .45 to protect my home. Aside from some pets, I live alone. Do you? What's wrong with me having a fire arm in case someone breaks into my house while I'm asleep (who would probably be armed with an ILLEGAL firearm). What constitutes a redneck? You seem like an ignorant elitist who just eats up propaganda that friends spew.

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#137 VendettaRed07
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because McCain ran his campaign on the premise that he is experiencedblackmagesm

and how does having a running mate who was govener and a mayor and has more experience than his running mate change the fact that he has experience

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#138 Trashface
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[QUOTE="blackmagesm"]because McCain ran his campaign on the premise that he is experiencedVendettaRed07

and how does having a running mate who was govener and a mayor and has more experience than his running mate change the fact that he has experience

It's ridiculous that people are attacking Palin for lack of experience when she ran a town and state and has more experience than their PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE. Do dems not understand how idiotic this makes them look?